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Title: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: TWWARCH on July 10, 2018, 05:54:03 PM
I've seen the Flying Aces Moth mentioned a lot. Also the Gollywock. And the Skokie. So what are the planes that are essential for the fully outfitted fleet of a gentleman? What are the oxford cloth shirt and blue blazer (or little black dress) of free flight model airplanes?


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: applehoney on July 10, 2018, 06:49:15 PM
Senator


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: TWWARCH on July 11, 2018, 06:12:44 AM
Well that was succinct.  :D

Surely a fellow needs more than one though. A cabin type, a competitive endurance plane, some pretty scale job just for the fun of it...


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: duration on July 11, 2018, 06:58:57 AM
A Wakefield from any era, yes, even a current hi-tech one will do.

If you don't have a Wake in your fleet, consider one of the lower-tech ones from the 1960s. There are some good ones in the last two Zaic Year Books. The most tempting one for me is "El Maruscan" by Bruno Murari (page 81 in the 64-65 YB). Yes, the egg crate wing would be a bit of work, but it is still all-balsa. My sentimental favorite though is at the bottom of page 91---might have to build another one.

Louis


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: TheLurker on July 11, 2018, 07:37:34 AM
Surely the "Ur" plane, the absolute base man-made flying machine,  is the paper dart?


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: Snaky Stringer on July 11, 2018, 08:27:07 AM
The Sleek Streak is a contender, I'd imagine. One hears of experts getting amazing flights from them. A nephew and I had a lot of fun in a field in Devon a good few years ago with a Sleek Streak. Other simple stick models are probably very close in spirit  to the original rubber powered model by Penaud. I think my favourite scale model has got to be the Earl Stahl Mustang, which he called a P51B but is clearly a P51A. A close runner up would be the Comet Thunderbolt (the 24" one) and then there's the Aeromodeller Brewster Buffalo. Not very accurate but hours of fun.


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: Crabby on July 11, 2018, 08:32:26 AM
Twwarch, I know what you are talking about. The classics. Of course that's a very opinionated description. I will add to Applehoney's Senator, the Sparky. You really need at least these two. These two are indisputable. Like the 6in rubber worm, the Dardvle, and the Mepps are to a very basic lake tackle box.


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: Snaky Stringer on July 11, 2018, 02:27:02 PM
I suppose I really should try at least one of either the Senator or the Sparky. I have a KK Eaglet under refurbishment at the moment and have downloaded the plan for the Ace. Perhaps after these have had their first flights I may consider them. The Sparky certainly looks pretty, which is a strong point in its favour. I don't think anyone could call the Senator pretty. I doubt if I have enough space locally to fly one anyway.


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: TWWARCH on July 11, 2018, 08:09:04 PM
I actually like the look of the Senator - functional for sure. I spent the early morning today chasing down everything I could find on it and it looks to be accessible even for me.

I had to look up the Sparky, and while I haven't been bowled over by most cabin types it has a ton of charisma. It's getting added to the list too. It's getting to be a really long list. I figure I need to build the Ace first since it's simpler and I'm just now getting really competent with basic box fuselages.

I'm sure experience also alters one's opinion too. The more I read and study the more that plans I initially passed over start to tickle my interest. Initially it was all low wing scale types but after a couple of disappointing attempts my interest there has cooled at least for awhile. I'm new to the hobby but I think I need a Stahl Hurricane at some point and while the cabin types don't get to me I'm completely smitten with the parasols.


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: Snaky Stringer on July 11, 2018, 08:19:15 PM
The Stahl Hurricane ( not the scale one) is also on my list of interesting duration models I'd like to build one day, if I live that long. I built the scale Stahl Hurricane many years ago and still have the fuselage and most of the wings. It was too heavy and didn't fly very well. I built it in Irish Air Corps colours originally but it ended up in nondescript grey. I suppose I should resuscitate it. Maybe soon or maybe not. It wouldn't be too difficult a task.


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: TWWARCH on July 11, 2018, 08:59:33 PM
My problem hasn't been weight but durability. Durability and accuracy. Getting there though.


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: MKelly on July 11, 2018, 10:57:23 PM
For scale consider the Earl Stahl Waco SRE.  Beautiful airplane, and boy does it fly!  Bob Holman does a short kit for it if you like having the parts cut out for you.

Mike


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: lincoln on July 11, 2018, 11:48:41 PM
I think the Ur plane (as opposed to glider) has to be the first Wright Flyer. Un-powered would probably be something by Lillienthal. 

However, your post itself  is looking for what's essential to a fully outfitted model fleet. Not sure if the Sleek Streak counts or not, but it was one of the first to come to mind. The Baxter Pussycat also comes to mind. In older designs, perhaps a Pacific Ace or a Phantom Flash. Then there's the Sinbad glider. But this hobby has so many facets...

For someone who isn't quite a gentleman, there's always a Fike or Lacey peanut. ;-)

If you're willing to concede that a gentleman might fly RC gliders, then, IMHO, the Olympic II belongs in his fleet, and possibly one of the Sagittas. For RC power, maybe some version of Bridi's Kaos? However, I think for me the ur RC power plane is probably the Kadet Mk II, though I've never owned one.

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Snaky:
Speaking of scale Hurricanes, I've seen the Golden Age Reproductions kit, which is a Megow by, I think, William Sharp, fly very well, despite the thick airfoil. Agree that the non-scale Stahl Hurricane is quite attractive.


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: TWWARCH on July 12, 2018, 06:35:33 AM
Mike, The Waco does seem popular, at least it's been kitted many times. The Stahl Spitfire seems to come up a lot too.

Lincoln, was the Pacific Ace originally a kit like the Comets? Where and when did it come along?


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: Snaky Stringer on July 12, 2018, 01:07:54 PM
I built the Earl Stal Waco about thirty years ago and still have some bits of it. I couldn't make it fly, which I found strange, having had some success with the little Megows 12 inch Waco Cabin (sort of UKC and probably convertible into one). I have photos of Butch Hadland and his Stahl Waco E, which was beautiful and flew very well. He did tell me he had had trouble trimming it, though. I plan to make another one day.


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: TWWARCH on July 12, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Of the scale types I think a bi-plane is definitely on the must-build list and one of the Thompson/Greve racer types too.


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: Bigbandito on July 13, 2018, 11:31:20 AM
Of the scale types I think a bi-plane is definitely on the must-build list and one of the Thompson/Greve racer types too.

In my brief tenure in this sport I have seen exactly two Chambermaids. Both flew better than they had any right to. Like a feather on the breeze. It's definitely on my list.


Title: Re: What is the Ur plane?
Post by: lincoln on July 13, 2018, 12:24:23 PM
For the 30 inch version, I have a drawing that's labelled "Modelcraft", so I think it was a kit. I'd be surprised if it wasn't from before WWII.


Mike, The Waco does seem popular, at least it's been kitted many times. The Stahl Spitfire seems to come up a lot too.

Lincoln, was the Pacific Ace originally a kit like the Comets? Where and when did it come along?