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Title: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Kev on March 24, 2008, 01:42:27 PM
Just spent a pleasant hour knocking up a small hlg which converts to Clg and flies like a dream. Its a quick build model, nothing startling but on the catapult, its gets an incredible amount of height.

It flew off the board for me this afternoon - then nipped up to the local sports field and had an interesting ten minutes before snow fall stopped play. Was getting an easy thirty seconds - however, that was not on full power and there was a breeze, so rather than keep tramping on the farmers field, returned to the car and warmth again.

Have sent a couple of photos to my father so he can reduce them size wise and then post to here for you.
Its a small model but its worth its weight for fun, ease of build and the pleasure it gives. Have the drawing in two parts if anyone interested.

Just great to be messing again and will take to the airfield this coming weekend as I am back in the full size ship that I fly. A whole airfield to myself is fantastic. went this morning but we did not have enough to fly, so came home, scanned plans and built this model instead. All needed was a tad of left turn.

Best wishes
Kev


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on March 24, 2008, 03:44:37 PM
To hear is to obey .... herewith the photos of Kevin's "Worcraft Wonder"

This is a good little design - only 12" span and originally kitted in England around 1946 by Worcraft, of dewsbury, Yorkshire. Outstanding when flown as a CLG, I've built and lost two of them in the past .. a recommended model.

Jim


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on March 24, 2008, 04:01:52 PM
'Have the drawing in two parts if anyone interested.'

You've talked me into it Kev. Been looking for a vintage CLG.

Bill. ( billnpoll@live.co.uk)


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on March 24, 2008, 04:10:15 PM
Me too please.

pg_hermit@yahoo.ca


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on March 24, 2008, 04:44:02 PM
Could we have the makings for the first Hip Pocket Cook-Up?


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Sundance12 on March 24, 2008, 05:14:00 PM
Make it so hermit, it's in your hands now. Make an official announcement and we will place it into the appropriate section when things get announced. Remember some people are not familiiar with the Cookup order of play so you may have to spell it out a bit.

Sundance12


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on March 24, 2008, 06:21:02 PM
So how about it guys? You think? We could fill the skys! Thanks for the plan Kev, that was fast. It looks pretty simple to build and your imaginations could do wonders with color. I'm sure Kev and Dan would help get us airborne.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on March 24, 2008, 06:51:21 PM
Go on then!

Bill.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Sundance12 on March 24, 2008, 07:17:45 PM
I am setting a Poll in motion to gauge the interest in a Cookup for HLG/CLG of the Vintage variety. Any takers? Any suggestions please chime in.

Bruce
Sundance12



Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: flinger on March 24, 2008, 09:10:24 PM
 ;D Gliders, gliders, gliders----I love 'em. Cheap and easy to build and more hours of fun than it's legal. Plans are always a beautiful offering, I am just starting with a new H/L with viscous timer and tail boom D/T. But have plenty of Balsa to make a few more---the more I carry with me to fly, the more fun I have. 8) "da flinger"


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on March 24, 2008, 09:13:20 PM
This is what I was thinking.

Cook ups can do a number of things, get a bunch of guys building, teach, entertain, learn, they can be an impetus to get someone out of a building funk, or a logical next step up in difficulty, or they can help get that long overdue project finished. They can be long, intricate, hard, easy, one make, one plane, one style, or one color, or anything else that you can think of with a common theme.

This one would be simple, quick, one plane, and probably be more fun afterwards than during. It could fit into a schedule easily, between or during other builds, the plan is readily available, and we have a number of experienced hands aboard to help get things flying once they're done. Being a single plane build, you have the opportunity to learn from others mistakes (probably mine mostly) and have the best chance ever of getting a cat launch flying well and that's the kicker for me. And you've got to love that name "Worcraft Wonder"!

The more the merrier, so can we get 10 going here?!!!!

Hermit the Brave (with the big mouth)


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: JohnDowland on March 24, 2008, 11:05:18 PM
And you've got to love that name "Worcraft Wonder"! The more the merrier, so can we get 10 going here?!!!!


The name's pretty compelling. I Googled a bit and got a lot of Fantasy Gamer sites--those guys either think grammar and spelling are superfluous, or they're all off to Berber King for lunch. You choose.

I'm in. What else'm I doing that'll further the cause of World Peace?

Michael


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on March 24, 2008, 11:55:22 PM
I guess it would be too blatant a 'plug' to mention that the Worldwide Postal has a 6-flight event for HLG/CLG's up to 12" span .. just the right size for the 'Wonder' ... so I'll refrain from mentioning it ....


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on March 25, 2008, 12:26:48 AM
Geesh! 5 in a couple of hours, by tomorrow at this time we should be up to oh, about 47! Julio, you in? George? Black Arrow? Figured Michael, think he mentioned something about a glider. Then me, and Bill, and Bruce, and...........

Better give us some more info on this Postal thing Jim, don't think I could do much here, but I figure next time I'm in Calgary I'll launch mine into a Chinook with the stop watch attached and get a friend to pick in up in Regina. Is that legal?

Hermit


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on March 25, 2008, 01:00:54 AM
This postal closes April 30.  Six timed flights. Easy, eh?


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dan G. on March 25, 2008, 01:46:36 AM
Sorry to disappoint -- hermit.

It's not a lot of fun to deliver a negative message ... and I considered letting it slide and just not responding, but I'm not that cagey.

I am the one "not interested" vote in the poll.

I confess that I'm not actively building, and I don't dash things off unless it's for a school and I absolutely must.

And were I building, I'm afraid that vintage hlg is pretty far down on my priority list. But, I will be interested in the development and what people have to say. I will be following ... cheering ... from the sidelines ....

Dan G.

You know ... I'm not sure whether people would rather see a negative vote or no vote at all ....


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on March 25, 2008, 08:47:41 AM
Dan, not to worry. Cheering is good.

Doug


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Kev on March 25, 2008, 02:18:47 PM
a - whats a cook up?
b - whats this thing about a poll?

c - I just wanna fly!!!


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on March 25, 2008, 03:59:45 PM
Something that usually involves chili, but with us balsa bashers just means a group of builders all get together to build something. Sort of like a build session at the club house, except long distance charges apply. Team spirit and that hoorah, hoorah stuff! Clear as mud right? And the Poll is just to find out if enough want to do it and share the misery, er, fun! That's it fun! Then we all get to fly em. More fun! You should get a kick out of this one Kev, watching us all come crawling, whimpering, begging for the little tidbits of knowledge to get them up in the air. Anybody started yet? I may get some balsa sheet cut this afternoon.

Hermit


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Kev on March 25, 2008, 04:55:12 PM
Thanks for that - never really had much of an idea what folks were on about. Now I understand.

As a further point but forgot to mention, as this model is a hlg, I nicked out underneath an inverted V for the catapult rubber to go. However, in order to strengthen it, I do tend to take a modelling pin and insert it through the fuz all the way as far as I can. I then cut the end, remove it, then cyano the hole, insert the pin again and wait for it to dry. Finally, I make sure the end is flush and not sticking out. I don't mind you building the airplane, just don't bleed all over it!

I do also add some epoxy and use as a filler between wing and fuz. Just drip it in, wet the finger and smooth it out. Smooth as silk and leave to dry. Just makes life a little easier and the joints stronger. Remember, as she climbs, shes pulling a lot of g's and don't want the wings torn off.

Kev
Looking at his discuss model which has been in a state of build over a year and never finished. Nearly completed wing is gathering dust on the top of the unit. Just needs checking with the micrometer again - I Like to leave them a few months once built to settle before going any further...  :D


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Kev on March 25, 2008, 05:07:59 PM
Okay okay - I am back at the flying club this weekend - will take the wee thing out in between flights in the PW5. Given that I have a full airfield to myself, the max is??? Amount of flights are?? More than one entry???? hlg or clg??? shot shoulder socket or is clg allowed???? Sighs.=  Honestly, he's never happy with me since flying out to be there for him earlier this month. Now he wants me to fly his event as well.......
Parents :D :D


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Kev on March 25, 2008, 05:27:20 PM
Heres the wee airplane. Note that the left wing tip is not on the scan and I have never had it. Just make one side - cut it, make another the same and then sand and join together.

I did take mine out onto the car park at work today - only office staff in. Nice hand glides, large left circles. Did not go any further as figured 20 people watching me freeze was humiliation enough!

Need to persuade dad to make one now. Go on - take you on. 30 secs then up 10 increments!

Kev

Note from Ratz: The full size higher resolution version of this is available in the Plan Gallery.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Mooney on March 25, 2008, 05:32:30 PM
What qualifies it as a "vintage" clg or hlg?
Interesting cookup.

Moon


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on March 25, 2008, 05:51:55 PM
Okay, we got 8, that's good enough for me. So who all signed up? Make yourselves know, and when do you all want to start? Now is ok with me, if you got wood start cutting. if not, better get some.

Bill just mentioned to me that this could be the shortest cook-up ever, and he's right, these things won't take long to do, but it could also be a long one as other people find it and join in. Sometimes these things take on a life of their own and just keep hopping along.

What else do you guys want for this besides the build? Anything? Certain "fly it" day? A real quick and dirty timed thing, or not to bother? We could all vote for the best dressed and award, um, well something. You tell me.

Hermit


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Sundance12 on March 25, 2008, 06:09:28 PM
I'm in

Bruce
Sundance12


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on March 25, 2008, 06:30:52 PM
Quote
Amount of flights are?? More than one entry? hlg or clg??? shot shoulder socket or is clg allowed? Sighs. Parents....

I'm the one sighing .. he always has rules, etc. of the Postals and he still has to ask... and if he looked to my preceding message he'd see it said "six timed flights". Kids ....

One set of scores per model; can be flown HLG/CLG or a mix. 60 second maximum from usual 9" loop of rubber on a 6" handle. I've given him the plans, I've downsized 'em so he can post 'em here ...and STILL he's not satisfied.... Kids ...

As far as I recall my 'Wonders' were best launched at 90 degrees to the wind so that they were turning into it on the climb and just away on roll-out. I did build an 18" version and it was not successful.

Kevin (Mooney, that is) ... "Vintage" is from the original Brit rules defining any design prior to January 1st. 1951; other countries such as New Zealand and Australia now have their own different cut-off dates


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: flinger on March 25, 2008, 06:37:24 PM
 ;D You name it and I'm in either hlg or clg---but clg preferred. 8)


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Mooney on March 25, 2008, 07:41:27 PM
Hi
Thanks Jim. It's nice to know that at least by British rules, I'm not vintage :D

moon


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on March 25, 2008, 07:58:45 PM
I am! And I'm in. Need a nice vintage colour scheme now. Not the one on the plan, I like to be different!

Bill.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on March 25, 2008, 08:24:26 PM
The list and counting;

Bruce...........Sundance 12
Bill...............BillB
Michael.........John Dowland (to be confirmed)
Kevin............flinger
Doug.............hermit



Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: JohnDowland on March 25, 2008, 08:56:46 PM
Ohh, I'll confirm. I'm building 'em, once my workbench sees a flat surface again and my hand heals.

Officially-Vintage Michael


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on March 26, 2008, 08:50:33 AM
The list and counting;

Bruce...........Sundance 12
Bill...............BillB
Michael.........John Dowland (to be confirmed)
Kevin............flinger
Doug.............hermit


That's 5, 3 still missing in action, and when do you guys want to start?
Hermit


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Sundance12 on March 26, 2008, 10:13:54 AM
Well, I guess I have started, I downloaded the plans from the Plans Gallery and had a look at the design yesterday. I will get some balsa together from my scrap bin and see what is possible to start tonite.

Looks like fun.

Sundance12


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on March 26, 2008, 11:06:05 AM
Okay, off we go with the "Worcroft Wonder" mass build! Lots of pics guys, and there's nothing saying you can't build more than one. Cat launch, HLG, don't matter, extraordinary color palettes will be resoundingly received with applause, in flight pics will be cherished, if you want to enter Jim's Postal go right ahead, but above all, have fun and get out and fly it! Them!

Hermit the Wood Cutter

P.S. Anybody else that wants to jump in, go right ahead, the plan is in the plans gallery.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on March 27, 2008, 09:05:28 PM
Anybody done yet?

I got one put together, but I scrapped it in pretty short order. One wing was twice as heavy as the other, and the first time I tossed it the fuse broke, so.......I'll start over.

Doug


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Kev on March 29, 2008, 09:57:33 AM
Just nicely back from the airfield after a wonderful few hours with both model and glider. Glad to say that there were some storming black clouds up there and the lift was phenomenal in places under them and even though the wind was strong, dug one wing in and cored a cracking thermal for an extra ten minutes flight time.

Anyway, before all this happened, I arrived at the club for 8am, opened up the hanger and then headed off up wind to the top of one of the three runways and got the WW trimmed in three flights. Was joined by one of the other pilots and we entertained ourselves for over an hour quite happily throwing and then catapulting flight after flight after flight.

The clg flights were going very high and we were using both cars to retrieve so i could post more for dad's postal event. The scores I am sending him later today. First thing it was flat calm, however, by the time I came back from my last flight in the glider, the wind was up to 25knots and gusting. Glad I put what I did, when I did.

I was lucky enough to have a couple of thermal flights but all were down in less than a minute. Have taken a couple of photos - one with the model sat in the hand rail on the tug aircraft and another showing the blue sky of first thing (bit different than now). Have sent to dad to resize for me. I have damaged her fin - result of my last flight being flipped on the runway - so will sort that out and make another tonight or tomorrow.

Just get out and fly, you will be glad you did.

Kev
thinking about that vario pipping away and giving me +6 whilst the wing was dug deep and I cored perfectly


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Kev on March 29, 2008, 01:02:35 PM
Three from this morning - taken at Burn Airfield, Selby, North Yorks. One of the WW sat in the hand rail of the tug (Pawnee with supercharged engine). One showing just how blue the sky was at 8am and a final one a couple of hours later of me at approx 1800 feet about to dig in and climb.

Had a great time in all ways.

Pouring with rain now - glad I flew when I had the chance. WW is resting her wings!


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on March 30, 2008, 05:52:11 PM
I've finished mine. It's in an authentic vintage colour scheme......... Plain balsa! I built it in three hours this afternoon and that includes watching a football match.
I gave it a couple of chucks up the garden, and it looks like a real floater! Weight is 8.6 grams.
I'm going to have some fun with this one.
Thanks to Jim and Kev for the inspiration and to Doug for pushing me over the edge.

Bill


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on March 30, 2008, 07:13:06 PM
I gotta get busy on this. Today was spent on the Rocket Postal Mk II, tomorrow I'll be off to the lumber store for some nice light balsa.

Doug


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on March 30, 2008, 07:25:38 PM
Bill - it's me who is inspired by the number of "Wonder's" built in the years since either the late Stan Pearson or I dragged the old plan out of obscurity - don't remember which but it doesn't matter .. it's a great little glider.

Worcraft also kitted a very strange HLG called the 'Star' which I built and eventually nominated as 'the model least likely to ever fly'. Following which Stan built one and got it to fly; not superbly but adequately .....  :o ;D


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Incognito on March 31, 2008, 12:28:06 AM
Oh, man. I just know I'm gonna regret this. I guess I'm in.
HLG, here. Are we restricted on wood sizes or anything? Minimum weight? By my eye, the plan printed out to be a 12-inch span, is that right?
Nito


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on March 31, 2008, 01:17:39 AM
12" span is correct. I guess wood sizes should be as plan.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Incognito on March 31, 2008, 03:05:40 AM
Wing halves are drying as I type. I used aliphatic resin glue, so it will be awhile. Should be ready later today, though. Now I have to decorate it! Decisions, decisions!
Nito


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Incognito on March 31, 2008, 01:46:02 PM
Worcraft Wonder #1 here came in at 7 grams on my little hanging postage scale. Too windy here to really give it a toss outside, but a couple of little tests (face into 10 m.p.h. wind and just let go, rather than throw) shows her to be pretty stable with just a bit of clay on the nose. It isn't going to need much trimming.

Pictures when I have decided how to decorate it.
Nito


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Incognito on April 01, 2008, 12:17:30 AM
As promised. Picture of 7-gram Worcraft Wonder. Colored scruffily with a blue Sharpie on the fuse, then "painted" with acetone to blend the strokes (which was only partially successful).


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on April 01, 2008, 02:44:40 PM
Ay-up lads, I've put some 'graphics' on mine!

Bill.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Kev on April 01, 2008, 04:11:01 PM
I Like it Nito - am making a third one for the weekend. She who must be obeyed has announced shes off to her moms for the FULL weekend. :D :D Wonders what to do with himself - hark is that the gliding club calling - wide open spaces.....the sound of the WW heading skywards... hee hee

Thermals
Kev


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Kev on April 01, 2008, 04:11:47 PM
Ay-up lads, I've put some 'graphics' on mine!

Bill.

How did you do that ????

K


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on April 01, 2008, 05:11:19 PM
Kev,

I took a photocopy of the plan, put it face down on a blank sheet of paper and transferred the image by using a pad just damp wih acetone (thinners will work too).
I then took the sheet with the reverse image on it and made a new photocopy at a reduced size. Then I used that the same way as before on the wing. Phew!!!!!!!

Bill.

It looks better in the flesh than on the photo.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on April 01, 2008, 09:06:12 PM
I got to the lumber store today, finally, picked out a piece of nice lite balsa, .92 board feet. Now if I did this right it comes out weighing just under 5lbs per cubic foot! Pretty nice stuff, so mine should be done tomorrow, cutting parts tonight.

Hermit


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Sundance12 on April 01, 2008, 09:39:14 PM
Well I am officially making my entry known. I worked on it a whole 3 hours, don't know what it weights but it's light. I have made a test flight and it's a little nose heavy with my nose weight so I get to take some weight away.

Yes I like the Pink,
Don't care what anyone Think
I'll be dancing under the Sun
With this pink One.

Sundance12


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dan G. on April 02, 2008, 12:02:34 AM
Bill ... that's a good looking piece of wood.

Sundance ... what a nice looking job! Very pretty.

Dan G.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on April 02, 2008, 12:37:21 PM
Here's my finished little wonder. Had a heck of a time trying to get the cg right. Just me being dumb I think, I marked the spot on the fuse where the plan says to balance it, then would try and balance the beast with my finger tips under the wing next to the fuse at the marks. Doesn't work. Way too nose heavy, it would go up, then it would come down, quickly. Once I extended that mark out to the wing tips in a straight line, things got better. It will now glide across the back yard, which of course put it in collision with the fence, ouch, reglue, and go again. Wants to turn left, but glides pretty nice and flat. Hopefully the weather is nice this weekend and I can get to the schoolyard. Pink is good Bruce, but purple is gooder! Maybe Pink and purple would be goodest!!!!!

Hermit


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on April 02, 2008, 01:58:29 PM
Bruce, Doug,
Nice pair of gliders, but both your colour schemes are going to get me in hot water when my granddaughter see's them. They are her two favourite colours, and she's going to want to know why I didn't do mine that way!
Mine balances just in front of the trailing edge and floats like a bubble (!), but I haven't given it a good chuck yet. Things may change!

Bill.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: albackstrom on April 02, 2008, 04:00:53 PM
Bill is the 12" span after dihedral is added? My dwg printedout with the wing panels 6 3/16 each. Span willbe about 12" when dihedral s added/


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on April 02, 2008, 05:04:27 PM
Al,
My print on A4 paper scales correctly at 12" span. If you have used a different paper size you have to fiddle with the printer settings to get it to print correctly. Someone better qualified than me will have to tell you what to do.

Bill.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Kev on April 02, 2008, 05:35:00 PM
Ok - it seems we are all building but the one person I really need to. Someone kindly give applehoney a gentle push towards the modelling room door and badger him to get on and build some thing. It would be the first thing since his heart attack last month and would do him good. Goad him, badger, push, PM, drag - what ever way, I want one built by him by the weekend. Do I have to stand naked with the ww in a strategic place as a way of threatening him ???

- someone inspire him please!!!!


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on April 02, 2008, 06:45:10 PM
Quote
Do I have to stand naked with the ww in a strategic place as a way of threatening him - someone inspire him please!!!!

Yes, please - can I have a photo? All you need is a 6" "Tiny Egg" though ....

Heart attack has nutt'n to do with it .. haven't done anything since mid-May!! 60+ year building burnout, methinks .... :'(


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dan G. on April 02, 2008, 10:05:06 PM
I hear ya, applehoney ... but I'm still glad you're here.

Dan G.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Mooney on April 02, 2008, 10:36:42 PM
I think it's all gotten too easy for him, Kev.
Maybe he needs to take on a multi-winged, canard job to challenge him. ;D
Or maybe start flying some of those models without the DT's armed?

While I can fully understand a burnout after a lifetime of building, I would've never
guessed it could happen to a guy like Jim. I hope it's temporary.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on April 03, 2008, 08:12:46 AM
All together now.

JIM, BUILD IT!

Bill.

(Will that do it Kev?)


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dimeflyer on April 04, 2008, 06:03:25 PM
I built one of the WW gliders and am trying to post pictures so here goes? Well as usual it's not working. It worked on the practice area so why is it not giving me an attachment button to post pictures?

Hey it worked! Don't know why it did or why it did not. Wow this glider goes great, it flew right of the board! I used foam for the tail feathers, hope that's allowed?

George


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on April 04, 2008, 07:32:56 PM
Well done, George. Be interesting to hear how the foam holds up on a catapult launch


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on April 04, 2008, 07:43:01 PM
Go for it George. Mine is going up tomorrow, whether it likes it or not!

Bill.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on April 04, 2008, 08:09:32 PM
Nice one George, wish mine did as well. Tried a cat launch with mine Jim, went over my head and came back to whack me from behind! I'll try a little more nose weight.

Doug


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dimeflyer on April 04, 2008, 09:12:28 PM
Jim,

It's hlg only. I already tried my thin foam on a cat and it goes south for the duration!! So that's one lesson I don't need to repeat for a while! I don't think I will need a cat launch to get it to fly farther than I want to chase it any way! I barely gave it a real light push into a stiff breeze today when I came home from work and it nearly went into the neighbor's yard and that's about 100' farther than i wanted it to go!

Anyway thanks guys! I will have to see what crayons I have for coloring it (LOL).

I don't know how much it weighs so can't tell you that? Other than that it's pretty much as the plan calls for. I will say this, that's the first time I have carved and sanded a set of wings in at least a hundred years or so it seems. It was a pleasant surprise from such a small glider to see it go so well! Thanks for talking me into joining in with you all! It was definitely worth the time and wood + glue to do it! Now I need to find some one to give it a good home!

George


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dimeflyer on April 04, 2008, 09:34:14 PM
Bill
You need not worry about this design handling the wind, it thinks it's a real bird!
I agree with you on the statement to Jim! Build it, you will love the little plane and it doesn't take a lot of balsa to make it or glue or time. It took maybe 3 - 3 1/2 hrs and I was goofing around tormenting Pat and the dog most of the time. I think it surprised Pat too!
George


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on April 04, 2008, 11:01:36 PM
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Build it Jim you will love the little plane

You're telling me, George? I got involved with this design long ago when the plan surfaced - great little design!


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dan G. on April 05, 2008, 01:39:53 AM
hermit ... if your plane wants to loop only during the launch, you might consider removing nose-weight. Sounds like you have to much incidence differential (what do we call that, if not decalage?), and by the time you put some down elevator in, you'll be looking to reduce the nose-weight to flatten the glide -- it then should glide better then before, though.

Dan G.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Kev on April 05, 2008, 03:24:19 AM
Mine is ready for another trip out today - however, the weather is awful. Unless something improves, wont be getting the full size glider out. However, I can fly it indoor and we have a nice hangar.... wonder what the CFI will say!!!!

K


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Incognito on April 05, 2008, 09:43:47 AM
Tossed mine around in the side yard a wee bit. The thing pretty much flew off the board! I added what seemed like a LOT of nose weight, though. I'm building a second one with some added pieces of 1/16th laminated to either side of the nose to make a kind of "bulb." Now that I think about it, before I did that, I should have drilled a hole in the original fuse to embed some rolled solder.

It's flight potential far exceeds the area available in in my yard. It'll be a few days before I can get it to a field to give it a real test.
Nito


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on April 05, 2008, 10:18:26 AM
I can fly it indoor and we have a nice hangar.... wonder what the CFI will say!!!!

I can imagine what he'd say if you punch it through a sailplane wing ......


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Kev on April 07, 2008, 02:01:04 AM
Had a completely empty hanger yesterday. That way I could not break anything!!! Problem was pops, it was also thermic and so left the WW in the car and took the PW5 away for a few soaring flights instead. 101 solos and counting!!!


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: GrahamC on April 07, 2008, 08:02:28 PM
Ok, I'm in too.

Plans downloaded, printed out and some templates cut out (I always make templates so that the 2nd, 3rd etc ones are even quicker to build). I have some wood picked out and will begin cutting tomorrow night.

Even if I get one done before the weekend I won't have anyplace to fly for a while, still about 3 feet of snow on all the fields and once that is gone it will be a week of mud. Might just have some times for Jim's postal by months end.

cheers, Graham in Ottawa


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: flinger on April 09, 2008, 04:38:29 PM
 :o OK thanks for the plans --- I got the wingspan at 12" and is the body also 9-1/2" as well? I will then assume that all else is in scale. One final question. are there any other changes to convert to CLG than cutting a notch under the wing leading edge? --- I also plan to use some 1/32" or 1/64"ply around the launching notch, for extra protection to the balsa. So if this is it I am on my way to add a few more gliders to the hangar. I am next going to move to building some TLG's to the clan. Shoul dhav eat least siz different gliders ready for a couple of flings.  ::) "Da Flinger"


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on April 12, 2008, 11:14:05 AM
I've just taken my grandson, the dog and the Wonder to a nearby field and gave the Wonder a couple or so launches. It goes great! My grandson also gave it a toss and was very pleased (he's six). The way it just floated through the air is a good sign for when I get it to a bigger field where I can cat launch it. Considering that this is my first chuck glider for 50 years, I am well pleased!

Bill.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dan G. on April 12, 2008, 02:38:16 PM
Well ... congratulations, Bill. They say you can't go back again ... but chucking a glider is about as close as it gets. Wasn't your first model flying experience one of doing just that? It is an impulse which has never left me. The first thing I want to do upon arriving at an open area of any size at all, let alone a flying field, is to toss something into the air and watch it fly. I could not avoid that impulse any more than I could stand motionless, on a gravel bar made of flat stones, surrounded by water. Those stones will be in serious need of skipping.

That impulse seems fundamental to my nature, and to the nature of small boys everywhere. I accede to it -- cultivate it -- it is so very basic, and it does sort of take you back.

I bet your grandson is very impressed and I bet that the two of you can get a bit closer very quickly with so fundamental an activity as throwing something and letting it fly.

Er ... don't let me try to sell you on anything, though ...

Dan G.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on April 14, 2008, 05:26:37 PM
Dan, you won't sell me anything, ain't got any money!

Went out again yesterday to try and improve my launch technique. I soon found out that where it was lacking, I was compensating with ineptitude!
I'm making a catapult, these old arms are never going to throw anything to a worthwhile height.
You'd all have enjoyed watching the action though! Mainly me falling over, getting up and wondering where the plane was. Is that why it's called the Wonder?

Bill.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dan G. on April 14, 2008, 06:41:42 PM
Yah ... Bill ... sorry, old arms don't throw well. Sounds like you made a valiant effort.

The catapult should work well, though ... at least a lot easier. Your little grandson should have an easier time of it, too.

Dan G.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dimeflyer on April 16, 2008, 07:56:19 PM
Hey Guys
I'm going to try putting up some pics of my latest HLG. Well, they went on but you can't see much detail in this light so I will have to try again when the sun is out and I don't need the overheads.
George


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: oldjim on April 16, 2008, 09:55:44 PM
I'd like to try this but I'll need some explaining, perhaps. I've never participated in a cookup.

I do think the design is classically elegant or something like that. Where are the plans???

btw, I've dusted off some old hlg's, and i'll try to get out for a bit of flying tomorrow with my grandnephew Matt. He's 10 years old and is about at the age where he might become infected....but he didn't grow up in the golden age of aviation...didn't learn the planes of WWII...but he does enjoy computer games. That's inside! hlg is outside....maybe the fresh air will help with the infection. :D

Jim


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on April 16, 2008, 10:00:12 PM
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Where are the plans???

Jim, you'll find them in the Plans Gallery

Jim


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on April 20, 2008, 10:58:37 AM
Finally got our computer woes worked out, so I've got some catching up to do, again, but it sure is nice to see so many Wonders showing up, and flying so well! Drat, mine still has a case of the loops and now a broken fuse. Never say die right, this thing is going to fly yet!

Keep it up guys
Hermit


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: GrahamC on April 21, 2008, 06:11:31 PM
Ok, here's mine.

About 12 grams, no fancy markings just yet.

I shouldn't have believed the CG marked on the plan - way too nose heavy. The 1/64 ply on the front is hiding a carved out hole with ballast. Easy enough job to remove some so it should be ok.

Most of Winters snow has gone but the fields are pretty wet just yet so serious flying will have to wait a week or so.

cheers, Graham in Ottawa


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on April 22, 2008, 01:58:45 AM
Graham,

Mine flies with the CG just in front of the wing trailing edge. I thought it was just me that ignored the plan!

Bill.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dimeflyer on April 22, 2008, 07:05:50 PM
Hey guys
Mine flies dead on the mark on the plan but I'm doing it as an hlg - not a clg - so I can't say anything about where you guys are balanced or where you have the launch hook set.
George


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on April 27, 2008, 03:34:38 PM
My little Wonder actually flew today! Still nothing spectacular, but after reading Kevins HLG directions I manged to get it to stay up longer than "It went up, (slight pause) it came down." These things seem really touchy as far as adjustments go, I mean fractions of a millimeter. Even got a nice transition a couple of times with no loss of altitude. Hooray!

Hermit


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Kev on April 29, 2008, 02:06:35 AM
lower the right wing more as you release it - that way she will go up in a right hand turn and not straight up. Its a different set up flying a hlg vertical.

I would just breathe in some wash out to the stab next to the fin. Also, to make her roll quicker on the top and in the climb, add some wash out to the right hand side of the stab. That helps a lot.

If flying as a clg, then just do the above and she should sort herself out with hardly any loss of altitude as is rolling on the climb and then flops into the glide quicker.

Best wishes

Kev :)


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on April 29, 2008, 10:32:26 AM
Thanks Kev. I did figure out that part about launching with a tilt to the right, seemed to need quite a bit actually and almost wound up launching it sidearm sometimes and more at a ninety degree angle to the slight breeze (or more) and a pretty slight up angle. The wind started to get up when I quit and I was tired of chasing it across the park. Was getting about 30 feet of altitude when it worked just right and it would gain altitude when it pointed it's nose into the breeze so that's a pretty major step forward for me. May try cat launching next time out and with a touch of washout in the right stab half.

Doug


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: oldjim on April 30, 2008, 08:17:04 AM
Attached are two photos of my construction of the Wonder. I'll try to fly it this afternoon.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on April 30, 2008, 10:56:36 AM
Like the red trim Jim, glad you got one done and here's hoping for some good flights.

Hermit


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: BillB on April 30, 2008, 02:31:45 PM
Nice one, Jim. Very nice indeed. Now make it fly!

Good luck,

Bill.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dimeflyer on April 30, 2008, 08:31:21 PM
I like the red trim to Jim! It looks real racelike with it red. I did not get to color mine, it went out the door with my Grand sons before i got that far! They got two of them yesterday afternoon and trashed one almost as soon as they got home but the W.W. is still flying so far ,whitch is a testament to it's strength as a plan ! I never even got to try any timed flights?

Man I got to put a lock on the craft room door or something!

Oh well have a good evening guys.

George


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: oldjim on May 01, 2008, 05:24:45 AM
Thank you all for comments and suggestions.

I flew the Wonder yesterday during the heat of mid day. Some light and variable wind. I got a couple of flights that were good enough to see the potential of the glider...nice large, three circles before landing...didn't time the flights, but none over 15 sec i'm sure.

I think I'll do my next outing late in the evening when the air is still. That should give me a better opportunity to trim the craft properly.

I did incorporate a couple of small dings into the new craft, so it now is an old veteran with developing character of its own, but... still flyable.

Question: Anyone reading in this thread ever built from an original WW kit or even seen an original kit? What was sold?? Plans and printwood??

I also took along the 30 year old class A version of the hlg whose B version photo I posted earlier. I did some serious patching on that ship including installing a silly putty dt which is the first one I have tried. Before I was using a fuse dt. I think the silly putty dt will work fine once I get the warps and balance in the old bird corrected and get it flying well again.

Sometimes I think a point is reached where it is better to rebuild than try to patch up and deal with the myriad of trimming changes needed to fly again, but old gliders are like old dogs...good friends that aren't discarded because of a few problems.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dimeflyer on May 01, 2008, 04:19:17 PM
Jim
Ahmen to old friends and good dogs! They are a gift from God not to be taken lightly or abandoned carelessly!
George


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: oldjim on May 13, 2008, 10:45:32 PM
Flew the WW again this evening. Last heat of the day with a late thermal or two, but mostly calm. I had gotten some 1/4" tan sport rubber to use with my catapult, and it worked much better than the stronger rubber band I have used previously...gave a much smoother launch.

Trim is getting better as is launch technique. I had one flight that was good...long, circling, and for a few seconds I thought it might become an OOS flight.

Alas, when I started a second round of flights with the WW, during launch I (blush, blush, shame to admit) hit my arm with the wing which resulted in the fuselage breaking into. First time this has happened to me, and I'm probably the only one who has ever had this happen...no, there might be one or two others who have.

No problem. I have nice bamboo groves. I'll take some bamboo, make some very thin, very small strips, then when I rejoin the fuselage, I'll glue a strip down each side. Mother Nature's carbon fiber rod... Next time this happens, the fuselage won't break. Will probably be my arm if the wing doesn't fail. :)

WW is a grand glider...really nice to have made it and followed this string of comments.

Thank you all for your comments and advice.

old jim


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: julio on May 14, 2008, 08:49:51 PM
Mother Nature's carbon fiber rod...

Oldjim
Nice definition for bamboo. Useful tip to follow too.
Sad about the fuselage breaking. Hope you get repaired soon and flying again!

Julio


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: crashcaley on May 24, 2008, 07:50:06 PM
Hi Everyone. Dimeflyer pointed me to this thread to see what was happening. I've the WW plan courtesy of Kev and Jim Moseley. I was attempting to build a glider for a youngster to take to the flying field tomorrow, and had chosen the Kiwi. The wing plan looks very much the same. Unfortunately, I couldn't get a glide from the Kiwi. Hard throws and it did the lawn dart act. Slow throws and very quick decents. So I finally gave up. I will try this one and see what happens.

What is the wood sizes and types for the WW? I don't see any dimensions or wood selection tips on the plan. I would imagine that it is probably fuselage 1/8 hard, wing 1/8 medium and tail feathers 1/16 medium. Anyway, I will try this one and in the meantime give the young boy a simple rubber powered airplane to hold him over till I build this one.

Caley


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on May 24, 2008, 11:06:01 PM
Caley, your sizes are OK .. sand the tail surfaces a tad to maybe 1/20" approx. if you feel inclined but not entirely necessary.

I did get as far as putting a wing together ...... weeks ago


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on May 24, 2008, 11:19:48 PM
Jim! You're almost done! Would a gentle nudge be in order?

Good to see your participation Caley, give it a go. Once I finally got mine to do something, it was a real hoot!

Doug


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: crashcaley on May 24, 2008, 11:28:51 PM
Jim, Thanks for confirming my guesses. I do usually sand things down a bit on the rear to get a little thinner and rounded. This should take me a day to build as I am getting a lot of practice lately with gliders. I hope this one will be something that I can have my groups do. Only problem with gliders is the amount of sawdust that comes with making airfoil shaped wings. More cleanup after the groups are finished for me. :)

Doug, I may very well be here more. I won't duplicate my posts between groups. Just lookin' for a second forum to enjoy.

Caley


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dan G. on May 24, 2008, 11:49:07 PM
Hi Caley,

I'll admit to having no experience with this particular hlg, but the plans indicate what appears to be a zero-zero (wing & stab) set-up. If your plane is for a small boy, you might consider incorporating a little negative in the stab (up elevator) and trim for a tighter circle. The glider would be more forgiving on those weakish mis-launches and not so prone to doing the lawn-dart thing.

Dan G.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: crashcaley on May 24, 2008, 11:57:52 PM
Hi Dan, Not sure if adding up elevator will help any with these gliders with shorter tail moments. I don't know much about gliders, but my experience with the Kiwi which is supposedly a beginners glider wasn't promising when I added up elevator. I kept having to add nose weight and ended up with the same problems, unable to recover from hard or up throws. It seemed to float a bit better with near 0-0 incidence. I'm wondering if the WW is much the same thing since it is basically the same glider with a different fuse. Everything else looks pretty much the same as the Kiwi. Hoping the larger front section of the WW will help eliminate a lot of nose weight. I had nearly 3 grams on the Kiwi just to get it on CG.

Oh, by the way, those kids have better arms than I do. ;D

Caley


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dan G. on May 25, 2008, 12:07:34 AM
Okay Caley ... let me explore this a bit. One little caveat -- this design is quite different from the modern gliders I know, and if other readers have better or different experience with this plane, I hope they'll say something if I'm out to lunch ...

Does your glider glide and does it turn while it glides?

Dan G.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: crashcaley on May 25, 2008, 02:48:22 PM
Dan, I build my gliders on a grid with magnets. I get all the flying surfaces perfectly squared. The only curve I get is due to my poor tosses. When I concentrate properly on my glide tosses, the gliders go perfectly straight. I just have problems with the gliders that are built with 0-0 incidence. They just don't seem to glide. I check the incidence by laying a straight edge against the fuselage under the wing and extending it to the stab. That is how I determine if there is 0-0. And the bottom of the fuse, if it is designed flat will always be in alignment with the wing/stab. So, it isn't the building. It must be the way I launch the gliders. There must be a secret to doing a correct launch. Straight ahead glides are no problem for 20 or so feet. It is when I toss them or catapult them at full speed that they lose their ability to return to a glide and just go into the ground lawn dart style. I hope this covers all questions you might have. I am just looking for a no brainer type glider that can be put together by a novice and still fly properly for at least 50 or more feet without trying to become part of terra firma.

Caley


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on May 25, 2008, 05:22:49 PM
Caley; Dan just uploaded a real good trimming and flying guide for hand launch gliders. It's in the Builders plans gallery (which you have to register to download anything) under "articles". Study that, it will help, alot.

Doug


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: crashcaley on May 25, 2008, 07:05:25 PM
Doug, Thanks. I've downloaded it and now need to read and understand. Thanks to Kevin M. who wrote it.

Caley


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dan G. on May 25, 2008, 09:00:27 PM
Hi Caley,

It's pretty hard to get a zero-zero set-up to glide straight. Furthermore, if it does glide straight, it will always tend to have stalls with huge recoveries. If you could get it to turn at high speed -- bottom of the recovery from stall -- the plane could turn instead of enter into another climb-and-stall sequence. Try a little rudder, which will make the plane dive a little in the glide, so add a little up-elevator to compensate, which will help your dive recovery as well. The more turn you put, the more elevator you'll need, and the tighter the turn and the recovery patterns will become.

If you wish to throw your plane hard, make the glide circle turning opposite to your throwing hand, and bank your launch away from the glide circle toward your throwing side. The glide-turn rudder should roll the plane back to the glide circle at the top of your launch.

If the amount of rudder needed to recover from a dive is insufficient to turn at slow-speed glide, stab tilt is the safest way to go.

Dan G.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: crashcaley on May 27, 2008, 08:29:52 PM
Hi Dan, Thanks for the tips. I've got all the parts cut out and sanded. Now I'm putting it together, hopefully straight as an arrow, with the exception of that offset fin in the plan. With the wood I chose, it sure is a light glider. I'm going to use magic markers to put some colour onto it and then use Helmsman to seal it. Will post a pic when I finally get it done. I've got a ton of things going right now, so everything is time sharing my time.  ;D

Caley


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: crashcaley on May 28, 2008, 01:46:03 PM
The WW is built but not finished. I took it outside and test glided it. The model weighs very light at 5.56 grams and needed 2.78 grams of nose weight. I think that the model may be too light. It glided very nicely once trimmed for about 30 feet with a very gentle push, but didn't like any harder a throw. I tried various wing tilt angles without success. Anything other than level tosses ended up coming down nose first. I am thinking that either I need to bend in some rudder or put on some stab tilt. I guess I will also need a little up elevator. Though I don't think any of these adjustments will be very large to affect the model. I'm slowly learning that minute changes make a big difference. Once I've got the model coloured and sealed I will let you peek at it. :)

Caley


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dan G. on May 28, 2008, 11:55:43 PM
I gotta say ... it sounds like you're having fun and looking forward to more.

Any finish you use will increase the weight ... should you be thinking that it's too light. However, the slicker finish -- as opposed to bare wood -- will make your glider behave differently. Your stall-and-dive problems will, if anything, be aggravated, but you should be able to get it higher with less effort and your overall times should improve.

When you progress from light to harder throws, do so gradually. Try to get someone to watch you throw. Often, a thrower thinks he has bank, and incoporates it into the wind-up, but the wrist (or the plane) rotates during the throw and the plane is actually released flat ... trust me -- this is a frequent problem, which even happens to me despite my awareness of it and my attempts to control it.

Do try to establish a glide circle and arrange for that circle to dominate at all other flight speeds.

My hunch is that the design is heavy on tail volume, which will prevent any liklihood of being able to toss the plane straight-up and have it flop onto its belly into the glide. You may have to make sure that the plane never loses enough speed to stall which means ensuring that the climb angle is shallow enough, and the speed sufficient to fly the plane around the top into its glide.

I do repeat ... a smooth finish will let your plane fly better but not easier -- the ship will be less forgiving and your trimming will have to be more exacting.

It does sound like you could use tilt and rudder and elevator ... and you're right ... all of those adjustments will be small.

Dan G.


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: crashcaley on May 29, 2008, 12:09:18 AM
Dan, You're correct about inconsistent throws. Even when I am trying to glide test, my hands will end up doing what they like. I managed to spike my models occasionally just because I can't seem to let go of the model. But I am improving. The WW I just built and really needs a lot of patience to get it trimmed. It glided very nicely as I said on a very gentle push (toss), but as I add ooomph I will be making those little adjustments to correct things. I've accumulated, thanks to those over at the glider section on SFA four instruction sheets for trimming HLG's/CLG's. I will be using these, experimenting to get things flying better.

Caley


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on May 29, 2008, 07:49:10 PM
Caley, remember that the WW - good little model that it is - has design philosophies from more than 60 years ago and won't trim out as well as more modern desgns, especially from high speed launches .. though it does do better than one might expect; I lost two as CLG's in the past.

For those who believe bigger is better .. be careful should you decide to enlarge the WW, as I did. Didn't work ..at least, not for me

Worcraft had another HLG . .the 'Star' ... which was as hopeless as the 'Wonder' was successful.  You wouldn't want to know about it ...lol


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: crashcaley on May 29, 2008, 08:11:40 PM
Jim, You got me inspired again on the WW. Even though I can't go outside, I did more testing inside from kitchen to living room. As usual my tossing technique is something to be desired. With harder throws it wanted to go left. So I put in some rudder. TaaaDaaa!! It is going straight now with pretty hard tosses, but wanted to curve upward. So more nose weight and now nice level straight flights with pretty hard throws into the curtains. Will have to wait for the calm air in the morning for outside testing. I get the feeling I will need something else to tame this, but it is now allowing harder throws.

Caley


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: crashcaley on May 30, 2008, 11:02:12 AM
After working in the yard I finally got over the berm into the field next to my house for some more testing. This time hard throwing, or at least my version of it. It sure is finicky. If I miss the launch angle just a little bit, it will go straight up and then enter the earth nose first. I found that I couldn't have my nose up angle more than about 10 degrees and that I needed about 35 degrees right wing tilt to get anything at all. It may have had one 5 second flight and most were just three or four seconds. It seems that having the nose weight to get a good glide on a gentle forward glide is too much for hard throws. It will cause lawn darts. After removing some nose weight was when I got the best hard throw performance and glides.

A note. I did exactly what you mentioned and got leading edge damage. I cut the bad area out and glued in another 1/8x1/8 piece of balsa and sanded down. Works fine. Next glider I build will have that little strip of basswood on the leading edge. Experimentation, experimentation.  :)

I guess I can call this glider a minor success, as I have no idea what to do to make it perform better. I am already throwing like a major league pitcher, getting my back into the launch. I think that it is entertaining enough getting a forty foot glide straight ahead with almost no effort in the toss. Will go ahead and decorate it and post a piccie.

Caley


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: crashcaley on May 30, 2008, 12:19:40 PM
Nothing fancy here. Just went back to my childhood and scratched some stuff on. ;D


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: hermit on May 30, 2008, 02:12:26 PM
Caley, it's great, and I'm sure you'll get it flying better as it sounds really close now. A fine piece of American Folk Art, very fitting.

Doug


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: crashcaley on May 30, 2008, 02:31:20 PM
Hi Doug, Thanks for the kind comments. Sometimes you just have to let the kid in you decorate your airplanes. I'm sure that one of the kids in the neighborhood will like it anyway. I'm getting too many airplanes in my house and need to clear some out. One room is floor to ceiling, Not quite, but will be if I don't do some distributing.  ;D

Caley


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Dimeflyer on May 30, 2008, 05:04:44 PM
Caley,

About time you come do some stuff on this forum!!!

Glad your here Mam!!!!!! and your glider looks great to me! Keepumflying Mam.

You should let the youngsters see them fly and pick one that way you know they like it!! They may even take care of it for a while?

Oh well be good Mam!!
George


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: applehoney on May 30, 2008, 05:27:17 PM
For what it might be worth, i remember that both of my lost Wonders, flown as CLG's were best launched at 90 degrees to the wind... i.e. I launched with the wind on my right shoulder and the model did its climbing turn into it. Launching in to the wind gave too many loop and other problems.

Nice decor, Caley!

A friend has added some tip dihedral to his Wonder .. says it flys much better but, of course, it's no longer a Wonder ....


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: crashcaley on May 30, 2008, 05:44:57 PM
Hi George, Nice to be part of another forum. I am still waiting for some of the kids to come back for things I've built for them. Two weeks is now five weeks and I am still waiting. You're right. Maybe when presented with a variety of aircraft they will get more interest. Knowing kids, they will fight over just one. And knowing these kids, the two magic words will escape them when I hand them their airplanes. Want to guess which two words they are. :)

Jim, From the multitude of launches I tried with the WW, I came to much the same conclusion. The aircraft is too small and light to penetrate wind even at an angle. It just gets pushed up. Some of that may be because the moment between trailing edge of wing and leading edge of stab is so short. Of course, I don't know much, and am just shouting into the wind with that explanation. ;D I too discovered that tossing it just shy of 90 degrees from head on into the wind and keeping the launch angle shallow, made it perform it's best. Now, if I can convince whomever gets it that it isn't for King Kong type throws and just to toss it straight ahead nice and easy. ;) It flys its best that way.

Anyway, back to another project I've been working on, and it isn't a glider.

Caley


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Sundance12 on September 15, 2018, 10:07:22 PM
Are there plans for this out there anywhere?
I would like to have a set please.

Sundance12


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: skyrocket on September 25, 2018, 04:14:55 PM
The only place I've seen it is in the Brit SAM35 Speaks mag...they are amazing models and no 2 are alike...my first one was a looping Wonder but my new one goes up straight as an arrow into a left hand glide circle...Applehoney did a legendary flight with his a couple of years ago at Geneseo that circled the corn until it didn't like that place and came back to the road and everyone clapped and of course he took a bow...deservedly so as far as I am concerned....


Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: Sundance12 on September 25, 2018, 04:49:44 PM
I was in conversation with Ratz, and he took the initial image that was posted in this thread and we did some minor edits on it. Now I have a working plan that I will get him to post in the gallery. I am amused at this HLG as its got such a huge stabilizer.

I will keep things posted.

Sundance12



Title: Re: Worcraft Wonder - vintage HLG/CLG -Official Cookup-
Post by: skyrocket on September 25, 2018, 09:41:47 PM
you are aware that it is 12" span?...just checking...