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« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2012, 06:01:39 PM »

Almost any Dime scale plane will fly great if built light and and ballanced right !!
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« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2012, 06:18:32 PM »

Right as rain. Just build right...
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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2012, 01:30:21 AM »

Yesterday I scanned and posted an old dime scale plan which Dave Stott thought was a good flier:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=23621289&postcount=10956
It even has all 1/16" construction. Note the modest aspect ratio (i.e. a reasonable amount of wing area).
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Is a Pseudo really going to be significantly better than, say, a Guillows F-50 Cessna?:
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/details.php?image_id=3471&mode=search
or the Peerless equivalent?
http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=3775
Or the Comet Stratoplane?:
http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=1626
 
There are also plenty of planes out there which ought to have potential to beat the Chambermaid if made into a pseudo. How about the Farman 250, with that huge wing, low wing bonus points, and, to me, charming appearance. Or Al Backstrom's Mauboissin Hemiptere pseudo? Or a Monomail pseudo?  If THAT'S not enough area, you can always go to the Arup or the Farman Carte Postale! Or the Hosler Fury!
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/download.php?image_id=432
http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/3/1/5/4/5/a4016026-33-Arup1a.jpg
http://www.aeroaces.com/farmandimebig1.gif

If we banned pseudo, we'd also miss some other designs which otherwise could make us all warm and fuzzy and nostalgic, like Mike Nassise's Cessna AW-10 ? Or John Blair's Pasped Skylark? .  There's a whole plethora of unusual, appealing airplanes that have been made into dime scale models since pseudo's were allowed.
http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=1137
http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=3684

Personally, I think the Lippisch DFS 40 is just crying out to be done as a dime scale:
http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/Lippisch_Nurflugels/DFS_40/lippisch_dfs_40_delta_v_schematic.gif

It strains my credulity that the ME-109 with its narrow wing is somehow automatically better than a P-51, a Spitfire, or a Stormovik. Or that a Goon  doesn't stand a chance against a Chambermaid. Or a Hughes Racer if you don't like the Goon.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Il-2.svg/300px-Il-2.svg.png
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Chester-Goon-Racer/IMAGES/layout-chester-goon.gif
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Hughes-H1/IMAGES/3-View-Hughes-H1-Racer.jpg longer wing version also
I really think, when one design is beating everyone, that we're just seeing the results of fashion. And it doesn't happen that often.
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2013, 07:23:44 PM »

Just downloaded the Guillows Speedster plan. Comparing it to the come Speedster The guillows does have a lot of wing.Maybe I'll give it a go and see how it stacks up against my Comet  Speedster
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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2013, 10:12:42 PM »

Some other airplanes which I think have potential as pseudo dime models:

Tipsy (aka Fairey) Junior from, I think, 1947 now meets the extended date cutoff:
http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/attachments/aircraft-design-aerodynamics-new-technology/13395d1311508360-im-back-again-start-my-design-fairey_junior.jpg
I'm not aware of a pseudo plan, but there are plenty of model plans you could adapt.

Priesel Kep. Look at all that wing area. I don't have a three view, but here's a peanut plan:
http://www.outerzone.co.uk/images/thumbs/plans/3889.jpg

Antoinette Monobloc aka Latham Monobloc:
http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/Opd/Opd-0/23-2.jpg
There's already a Pseudo of it.

Breguet LE:
http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/france/breguet_le.gif

Farman F.170:
http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc61874/m1/7/med_res/
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Some dime scale plans not often seen that I think might have potential:
Megow 15 inch Blackburn Skua:
http://www.outerzone.co.uk/images/thumbs/plans/3947.jpg

Modelcraft 15 inch Fairchild 24:
http://www.outerzone.co.uk/images/thumbs/plans/321.jpg
Haven't seen this 16 inch Comet Winnie Mae around, but maybe it shows up everywhere else?
http://www.outerzone.co.uk/images/thumbs/plans/175.jpg

This Whitman SBD looks to have a lot of wing area, not sure if it has too much wood or not:
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/data/thumbnails/94/Douglas_SBD-1_Dauntless_15in_from_Ace_Whitman.jpg

And then of course there are all the usual suspects.
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« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2013, 02:15:21 AM »

HI Lincoln,

Having built and competed with lots of dimers, I'm not sure there's any magic formula or "best" planform out there. Almost any dimer design (except maybe the Aeroneer) could flirt with a two minute flight, but the guys that can get consistent flights out of their dimers usually work their way to the top of event standings.

In my own experience, wing area alone isn't always the answer.  I've attached a couple shots of a Loening M-8 neo-dimer built from John Blair plans.  Wing chord is 3.75 inches, AUW is 12.7 grams, so wing loading is favorable.  Flight times, however, have always been so-so.  It climbs out fine under power, but that big plank of a wing seems more a hindrance than a help with the glide.

Best,

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« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2013, 03:30:58 AM »

Is this just a coincidence or did you read what I recently wrote about the Aeroneer elsewhere recently? Frustrating.

Could your Loening be more of a cruise climber, to avoid the need for as much glide? How much pitch in that prop? Maybe with lots of pitch it would freewheel with less drag? What happens if you fly it a bit faster? If you've already tried these things, I'm curious to  learn the answers.

I wonder what happens if, for research purposes only, you put something over those notches in the wing roots?

To tell you the truth, most of my dime scale experience is with the Porterfield, indoors. And that one really long flight outdoors where I must have had some lift. That model doesn't even have a freewheel.

The workmanship on your Loening looks really nice, even though you don't have it parked next to one of my models for contrast.
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« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2013, 03:36:50 AM »

P.S. Locally and lately, the high times indoors are seen from a Farman 1000, a French plane of similar proportions (I think) and a Corben Super Ace. But that's what you expect from Tom Nallen and Ray Harlan.
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« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2013, 08:43:15 AM »

These have been great flyers for me...Spartan 7W, Martin MO-1 and BAT Monoplane

On the Spartan, I followed the Comet plans for the build and kept the wing spar on the lower rib surface instead of the upper. When climbing, the wings looks as if they were flapping like a bird  Wink

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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2013, 11:48:07 AM »

Our club couldn't get the Dime Scale Mass Launch idea going during the 2013 season but we did just approve it for 2014.  We copied about 40-50 dime scale plans form various sources and gave them away to members during out annual meeting.  Lots of discussion and hopefully enthusiasm for the project.  We intend to fly the event at mid-day during our monthly contests with the objective of increasing participation in general simple flying and to build interest in FAC modeling.  We have also resurrected our club's old Squadron #55 to support that interest.

So, all that said the contributors to this thread seem to say that many Dimers will fly well if built properly which of course is very sensible.  However there are lots of comments about a lot of wing area being desirable. I kind of thought a long motor might also be a good thing which is typical of the racers and some of the fighters....kind of like a Gollywock with wheels :0)
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« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2014, 01:33:52 PM »

Scratch built dimers are nice little projects, but a tasty design packaged in a nice box with lots of goodies is nice too!

I see where Easy Built has released Rich Weber's wonderful Staggerwing dimer as a laser cut kit. 

http://www.easybuiltmodels.com/pd15.htm

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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2014, 11:42:17 AM »

These have been great flyers for me...Martin MO-1
Where can a plan for the MO-1 be obtained?
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« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2014, 08:28:34 AM »

Our Sopwith Pup won the WW1 mass launch at Geneseo and is dimescale legal.
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« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2014, 10:10:48 AM »

I know, I know, but my feeling is Dimes belong  separate from Psuedo dime. While finding the old kits and plans is not easy they are out there. Megow had 53 dimescale kits in 1941! and added on to that every year with at least 5-6 new models.  Searching our plan gallery only turned up 9 plans, perhaps they are not key worded. I would venture to guess that perhaps the best flying dime has yet to be rediscovered! Keep posted in the gallery, I've got a few more coming up. Au revoir, Time to go flying.
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« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2014, 10:36:06 AM »

I believe someone mentioned the Boeing monomail earlier in the post.  Thought I'd share pix of my work in progress.  This has a lot of uncharted territory so please don't be too harsh  Wink  My first attempt at a build from plans only.  First dimescale, first multipart nose block and my first attempt at printed tissue graphics (which I admit still needs work)

One things for sure, I'm having a blast building these planes and isn't that what it's all about??

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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2015, 03:55:13 PM »

what about the 16" WS embryo planes ? and I have looked at some J3 plans in dime scale or an E2
that is really another J3 redo ? the piper has been put out in a lot of scales including dime scale for a lot of years ? I have built a lot of these planes on all the lists in dime scale what is the problem in finding a good dime scale plan almost every one I have built will fly like a home sick angle going home !?
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« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2015, 09:41:18 AM »

Hi,
   Anyone out there have the plan for a Allied kit out of Chicago of a Vought Corsair biplane 16" w/s ?  Anyone know of other Allied kit dime plans?  Bingo
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« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2015, 01:39:15 PM »

Here's my two cents worth: Having built a ton of dimers from kits over the past 76 years, my three best flyers were the Comet Farman Stratoplane, Puss Moth and (perhaps surprisingly) the Messerschmitt 109. Runners up would include these Comet models: Arado, Monocoupe and Fairchild 24.     Best wishes to all dime scale flyers! You are true model airplane enthusiasts.
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« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2015, 02:04:53 PM »

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Anyone out there have the plan for a Allied kit out of Chicago of a Vought Corsair biplane 16" w/s ?  Anyone know of other Allied kit dime plans?

There's the Comet version. Except the wingspan is 15" ( 1934 design ). Check the plans gallery.

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« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2015, 08:41:08 AM »

I have had success with the Easy Built kits.
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« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2015, 12:01:33 AM »

Clearly, this is the best dime scale design. ;-)
http://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=5132

Might be better if we call it just dime rather than dime scale!
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« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2018, 02:00:53 PM »

Here's my two cents worth: Having built a ton of dimers from kits over the past 76 years, my three best flyers were the Comet Farman Stratoplane, Puss Moth and (perhaps surprisingly) the Messerschmitt 109. Runners up would include these Comet models: Arado, Monocoupe and Fairchild 24.     Best wishes to all dime scale flyers! You are true model airplane enthusiasts.
My experience chasing the models would agree with your results. Really well done models fly well. Maybe I should add searches were worth the effort.
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