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« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2017, 12:31:21 PM »

Congratulations George!
I had my version of the Cessna out at the National Building Museum in Washington DC.  I did not spend as much time as I would have liked wringing it out.  The Maxecuters have a 6 gram minimum weight for no-cals.  I think I'm off to a good start, and think this ship has great potential.  I'm wondering what a good time would be for a 6 gram ship in a standard high school gym....any feedback anyone?
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« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2017, 12:03:15 AM »

decided on a whim to try a 10x16 prop and it flies OK on .085 x 16" loop, but above 1250 turns, it will just nose up and do one nearly full stop stall after launch, then either resume flying normally or flip on its back. 

That sounds to me like it needs some down thrust.
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« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2017, 01:59:05 PM »

I will give that (downthrust) a try and let you know what happens!

(Wally) As far as times for a 6 gram version in a typical gym, I can only say I see one every Sunday, built stock, that is doing around 2:10 on out of box 3/32" Tan SS.  Don manages 3+ minutes via house thermals, magic and secret incantations Wink
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« Reply #53 on: May 09, 2017, 08:01:52 AM »

I'd like to report that my Turbo Cessna 195 NoCal was successful at the Indoor Fling last weekend, competing against Don and all of the other indoor flyers - I'd LIKE to report that, but I cannot...

I made what I thought was a great motor for my model (0.082" x 17.5" loop) and gave it an 80% or so test flight.  This did 4:36 and had 1 hit.  that told me to go for it.  I wound the motor up to about 1850 turns and got a 5:08 flight with one hit.  The hit lost about 10 feet, give or take, but it recovered and did well.   I was on my way to my goal of strongly competing.

My second flight (of a total of three flights) had another hit high up in the girders.  This time it got stuck after 1:40 or so - so ended my quest for glory.  My plane remained up there, wedged in pretty good, while I tried to get it down with a balloon.  After 20 minutes or so, it finally came loose and suffered no damage.

Don did not fly his version, as he was out-pacing everyone with a P-39 (he got a three flight total of 1268 seconds - that's three 7-minute flights!).  However, Don's dad, Chuck did fly his 3-gram Turbo Cessna 195 and came in 3rd with 918 total seconds (that averages out to be three 5:06 flights).    What I take away from that is that my plane was on par with Chuck's - if I could learn to keep it out of the rafters.

I'm very happy with this model as it has taken me from my previous high of 2:30 in indoor NoCal, through 3 minutes, through 4 minutes, has now exceeded 5 minutes twice.  (And I am confident that you can achieve this, too, if you follow Don's instructions.)

--george
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« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2018, 11:16:21 AM »

I'm not a scale builder, but no-cal really looks like fun, I enjoy reading the threads. So I got the Volare Cessna kit to give it a try. I just wanted to make a plain-Jane (maybe plane-Jane?) version and get some flying experience, I've never flown a no-cal indoors, only lighter stuff, so it's new to me.

Goes together pretty quick, I made some minor changes - used 1/20" sq. for the fuselage and covered it with Harlan's ultrafilm. I wasn't sure the ultrafilm would take paint, but it came out OK. Also I haven't made a rolled-tube in over 40 years (I flew F1D back in the sixties) so I wanted to give that a try, still have my glass tube, the .015" wood I used is slightly yellow and over 20 years old, I hope it holds up!

Total weight was 3.59 grams. I've never flown anything indoor with a motor larger than .050 (the A6), so around 3/32 seems huge (I hope the rolled tube can handle it. Outdoors I'm used to 30 strand 1/8 motors, but this is indoor) so I'm going to start with a loop of 1/16" and see what happens. Very different from what I'm used to for indoors, but it was an enjoyable build!
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« Reply #55 on: March 26, 2018, 12:41:50 PM »

I would not go with 3/32" on that model.  Mine flies well on 0.080" and yours is lighter, so I think you are correct in starting at 0.0625".

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« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2018, 11:52:38 AM »

Don, many thanks for doing this fantastic thread !! I started building in 1959, with Ranger 30's and control line.  Then to R/C in the early 70's to indoor free flight in 1991.  My best time for no-cal is 4:31 inside the Boeing factory with a Lidberg Cessna Centurion at 3.2 grams. I also did 4:03 inside the Tillamook blimp hangar in Oregon, but the plane is trimmed to fly in left circles, and at the end of the flight, it would go straight...and boy, did it go straight... over eight hundred feet to the other end of the hangar !! My next profile will fly to the right after reading you reasons for a right turn.  I also built a Boeing 777 profile that nets about 2 minutes.  This thread has opened the door to changing my mind in all areas of the profile world, including the 10 inch props...wow!  Gil Coughlin was my mentor in the 90's, and Mike Morrow was my main competitor.  He never built a Centurion, and I never built his P-39Q ( Mister Mennin).  You have taught me a lot through your writings on this site, I only wish I could pronounce your last name correctly.

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« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2018, 10:53:50 PM »

Glad you found the info useful Smiley
As far as how to say my last name its "Slu-sar-chick"

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