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« on: January 27, 2017, 02:04:26 PM »

The Old Farts Flying Club meets every Wednesday morning at the Stonehurst Recreation Center gym, 9901 Dronfield Avenue, Sun Valley, California, for a club meeting and indoor flying session.  There is a contest on the last meeting of the month.  Spectators, prospective members, and desperate fliers are welcome.

This year's contest schedule is:

Jan 28    P-18   (postponed to Feb 01 per CD)
Feb 22    Minnow R.O.G.
Mar 29    Mini-Stick
Apr 26    Catapult Glider
May 31   No-Cal Pusher
Jun 14    Spot Landing and Predicted Time Flight (Outdoors)
Jun 28    Legal Eagle
Jul 26     Penny Plane
Aug 30   Peanut Scale
Sep 27   Embryo
Oct 25   One Design
Nov 29   Bostonian
Dec 27   R.O.G. Unlimited

Note: CDs may make modifications to established rules for a given contest.  These are usually announced at the first meeting of the month.

Last year's scale contest was Dime Scale.  Attached is a picture of the contestants.

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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2017, 10:57:40 PM »


Ooops!  Embarrassed

I forgot mention the time of the Wednesday morning meetings.  The meetings are at 9:00 AM with the flying sessions from 10:00 til noon.

As I said, if any of you are in the area you are quite welcome.  You might want to e-mail me on Tuesday if you intend to come since every once and a while the Park Department closes the gym for some maintenance issue and we usually know about it the week before,

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2017, 07:00:05 PM »

Here are the rules for the Minnow contest one February 22

MINNOW R.O.G.

Contest Director John Buntin

1. Model must be built to plan.

2. Propeller - SIG, 5-1/2 inch, red or black plastic

3. Must use SIG nylon prop bearing -Bushings, washers, and beads will be allowed.

4. Tissue covering - No plastic film

5. No weight limit, but all wood sizes must be to plan.

6.  All flights must R.O.G.

7. Any attempted flight over 10 seconds is official.

8. Timing starts at release of plane.

9. Five attempts allowed.  Score is total of best two flights.

10. Contest is over at 11:40 AM.

11. Non-fliers and those repairing models must stand behind the black line.

12.  All contestants, audience, and officials must attempt to have fun.  Anyone not having fun will be directed to leave the contest site immediately.

This is one of the most popular contests.  Almost every member has a Minnow. 

Most of the members present were practicing with them during the flying session after the meeting.  There were so many Minnows in the air that there was actually a head on collision between two of them.  No damage was done.  Minnows are noted for their almost instantaneous recovery after hitting something.  My current one has been bounced off so many obstructions that I call it "Timex".
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2017, 08:18:00 PM »

The Minnow contest was held on February 22.  There were 10 contestants and according to the stated rules, fun was had by all. 

The results were as follows: (Times are seconds, sum of best two flights.)

1st     Will Woods                    153.8
2nd     Pete Bassone                149.3
3rd     Don Butman                   134.5
4th     Bill Watson                    123.8
5th     Howard Littman              108.2
6th     Don Martin                    107.9
7th     John Buntin                     94.5
8th     Stan Christopher              86.7
9th     Winn Hammer                  74.6
10th    Lowell Norenberg             57.5

Some members had to do double duty during the contest with Pete Bassone doing scoring and timing and Don Smith timing.  (Photo 1)

Don Butman has a leg brace so he launches and retrieves his models using a padded gripper (Photo 2)

Bill Watson displays body English when his model circled back on him right after launch.  (Photo 3)

The next contest will be on March 29.  I will post the rules next week (assuming that the CD has printed them.)   In anyone will be in the area on a meeting or contest day you are welcome to join us.


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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2017, 03:35:01 PM »

Got the rules for the Mini-Stick contest this morning.  Looks pretty straight forward.  (See photo) Several people were trimming their Mini-Sticks at this mornings session.  Some good competition for this one... 

Bill Watson brought a hot wire cutter to the meeting this morning and cut out some walk-along, flying wing gliders about .020 inch thick.  We spent almost the whole meeting before the flying session playing with them.  Sorry I didn't take pictures.  Kurt Young said we had expressions on our faces like a bunch of 8 year old boys.  Fun!
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2017, 05:06:20 PM »

At the last meeting we received the rules for the No-Cal Pusher contest.  That isn't till May 31, and we still haven't received the rules for the Cat Glider contest in April.  Nevertheless, members were testing cat gliders and No-Cal pushers as well as the Mini-Sticks for this months contest on March 29. 

Among those who didn't have a pusher No-Cal there was much discussion about what to build with the opinions about evenly divided between actual pusher aircraft and models of jets.  Should be interesting to see what they come up with. 

Several of us already have one or two.  Looks as though Joe Whiting's Shinden is going to be very competitive this year.  I will have my F7U and Saab Viggen for this year's contest.

                   NO CAL PUSHER AIRCRAFT CONTEST
                                 MAY 31, 2017

1.     Wing span, 16 inch maximum.
2.     Aircraft with fixed landing gear must have each landing gear represented as per the original aircraft plan.
3.     All wing struts must be affixed on model.
4.     Motor sticks shall not exceed fuselage length.  Prop may be at tip of a scale profile spinner if the real plane featured a spinner.
5.     Surfaces may be single covered.
6.     Model must be colored, have control surfaces and registration numbers affixed.
7.     Official flight, 20 seconds minimum.
8.     Total six flights.  Top two flights count for score.


                  GOOD LUCK TO ALL!
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2017, 04:54:35 PM »

I wasn't present for the Mini-Stick contest on March 29th since I had to leave right after the club meeting, however the Black Sheep newsletter published the results.  Times are total of best two flights.  This room has a 24 foot ceiling.  (Yes, Pete says he extended his 30 retrieval pole completely in the room but I measured it with my laser rangefinder.)

1     Bill Watson                    511.0 seconds  
2     Jim Luken                      422.0
3     Pete Bassone                 374.0
4     Don Butman                   209.5
5     Don Martin                      90.0
6     Lowell Norenberg               5.6  (I'll have to ask him what happened at the next meeting.  Most unusual!)

I was present, as a timer, not a contestant, for the Cat Glider contest on April 26.

The rules were:

1     3 sets of 3 flights
2     Best single flight wins
3     Launching stick (in any) 6 inches or shorter
4     Rubber loop 9 inches or shorter
5     Glider any size, material, or weight
6     One person flying at a time.  All others behind the black line.
7     All attempts count as an official flight.
8     All contestants encouraged to enjoy and have fun.
9     The contest ends at 11:40.

Bill Watson easily won the contest with an extremely well engineered glider. (Really, you have to see how he approaches building a model.)  He also had the most uncanny launching technique being able to launch the model straight up to the ceiling and getting it to roll out, the wing tip almost touching the ceiling, into level flight.

There was a tie for second place between Lowell Norenberg and Pete Bassone with the best time of each of their sets the same.  The tie was resolved by adding up the total flight times of all their sets with Pete edging out Lowell.

Dave Gee provided the comedy relief for the contest by using a tiny glider with a balsa frame and film covered surfaces which he did not catapult but simply dropped from his raised hand. The thing flew so well that I wonder how well it would have done if he had stripped some incredibly small section rubber and catapulted it.

Stan Christopher, the CD, ran an orderly contest and the results were:

1     Bill Watson               31 seconds
2     Pete Bassone            23
3     Lowell Norenberg       23
4     Don Smith                16
5     Will Woods               14
6     Don Martin               12
7     Dave Gee                 10

I was timing so I didn't get any in-flight photos, at least not any good enough to post.

However, I did get a photo of the CD calling the contest to order and the group shot afterwards.

We also had someone who read about it on a forum (this is not the only one I post with this) show up for the meeting and to observe the contest.  Looks like he will be in the next one.  If you're in the area come on down!

Next contest, No-Cal pusher.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2017, 07:58:07 PM »

All those handsome young chaps in the photographs: why do people keep worrying where the next generation of model flyers to carry the torch are coming from? They are here already.
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2017, 03:05:00 PM »

Judging by what was being test flown and trimmed at the O.F.F.C. session yesterday the No-Cal Pusher contest, next Wednesday (5/31), will be a very interesting contest.  There will be at least three Hansa Jets, three F7U Cutlass, a J7W Shinden, a Vari-Viggen, and an early bird canard that I have not been able to identify. (Of course, I could have asked.)  Of nothing interrupts my building this weekend (Like, when does that ever happen?) I will have either an A7 Corsair II or a J37 Viggen to to along with my Cutlass.

If anyone will be in the area next Wednesday morning drop by Stonehurst Recreation Center.  The meeting is at 9:00 AM, all welcome, and the contest starts at 10.
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2017, 04:49:30 PM »

The No-Cal Pusher contest was held last week.  Someone made the comment that for a local club it was really amazing to have nine contestants show up for an "oddball" contest on a weekday morning.  Timing was the best two of five attempts.

The results were:

1.     Jim Lueken          Bleriot V                119.9 seconds     
2.     Joe Whiting         JW7 Shinden             89.1
3.     Bill Watson          Vari-Viggen              87.1
4.     Don Smith           Hansa Jet                82.5
5.     Dave Gee            So8000 Narval          72.0
6.     Don Butman         Hansa Jet                61.3
7.     Howard Littman    F7U Cutlass              57.9
8.     Stan Christopher  F7U Cutlass              23.3   (One Flight)
9.     Lowell Norenberg (Didn't see it)             N/A

The winning Bleriot was the smallest entry, more peanut size than No-Cal.  The model was much more successful than the real airplane which only flew for about 20 feet in 1907, although it was the first Bleriot aircraft to actually get off the ground.   

Joe Whiting had been carefully trimming the Shinden for some time and it flew flawlessly. 

Bill Watson's Vari-Viggen was one of his usual flawless constructions and flew smoothly. 

The Hansa Jets usually fly well.  Don Butman, who bristles at the rules requiring tissue covering (He does gorgeous work with Microlite.) won with his the previous time this contest was held. 

Dave Gee's Narval was untested and, as Dave had to go to an appointment, it was trimmed and proxy flown by Will Woods. 

My Cutlass was a new one built from reject parts (I save parts sheets the have flaws that I would not send to a customer but, are otherwise OK to built with, for my own use.) and was also untested.  I got it trimmed out then had the motor stick rip out while winding.  (Yes, I didn't use enough glue at just the wrong place.)  I stuck it back together with CA and Scotch tape and tried to re-trim it.  It needed more rubber to climb but I put in a little too much and had it skimming the ceiling, with all the attendant obstacles and most of my flights ended with impacts with the lights although much to everyone's surprise it recovered.  I trimmed it properly at yesterday's meeting. (So what?)

Stan was having some trouble trimming his to circle in the room and crashed it beyond repair at the site.

I didn't see Lowell come in so I don't know what happened to his model.

Anyway, it was a good contest.  Sorry, I was too busy putting my model back together to get any pictures.  I will post some as I get them from other members.

There are two contests this month Spot Landing/Predicted Time and Legal Eagle.  The first is outdoors next week and the flying starts at 8:00 AM to take advantage of the predicted (Hoped for!) dead air.

Spot Landing/Predicted Time Rules

1.  Any rubber powered model that is capable of taking off from a card table.
2.  Minimum flight on each task is 15 seconds
3.  Task one:  Predict your flight time from lift off to touch down BEFORE launching the model.  The timer will write it down then you can launch.  Timing is to the nearest 1/10 second.
4.  Task two:  Land closest to the flag planted in the middle of the field.  A tape measure is attached to the flagpole and is used to measure to the closest part of the model.
5.  There are 5 attempts allowed for each task.
6.  Both tasks can be accomplished on the same flight.
7.  The contestant may move the card table to any position on the field before launching the model.

This is really a lot of fun.  One year I predicted a 34 second flight, flew 34.4 seconds and finished third!

The Legal Eagle contest is on the 28th and is standard Legal Eagle structural rules with 5 R.O.G. flights allowed. 

Meeting at 9:00 AM and flying starts at 10:00.  If you can make it, please, join us.
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2017, 04:05:13 PM »

I've posted the group photo, that I promised, from the No-Cal Pusher contest last month.  Quality could be better, it's a scan of a printed photo but, you get the idea.

The Spot Landing/Predicted Time contest went off this morning.  Weather was beautiful and the wind didn't blow the contest out till about 10:30.  It was quite well attended. (All 18 donuts disappeared.)  Some unusual models were flown including an obscure Comet kit called the Scorpion, a all balsa ROG that was actually designed for the contest, a Bostonian, a helicopter, and my Crash Box Special (or Junkyard Dog, if you prefer).

The results were:

Spot Landing

1.     Stan Christopher             4'4"" from the flag
2.     Dave Gee                      6'11"
3.     Bill Watson                    11'6"
4.     John Buntin                   32'5'
5.     Barry Dougherty             42'5"

No one else got close enough to measure with the 50 foot tape.

Predicted Time

1.     Dave Gee                       0.1 seconds off predicted flight time
2.     Don Butman                    0.1   Tie broken by times on next best flights.
3.     Howard Littman               0.6
4.     Stan Christopher             1.3
5.     Barry Dougherty              1.7
6.     Don Martin                     1.7   Tie broken by times on next best flights.
7.     Bill Watson                     1.8
8.     Wynn Hammer                 4.5
9.     John Buntin                    7.1

There were some other models flown but some were damaged beyond repair before getting an official flight.

My personal effort was a bit of a saga. I broke the motor stick on the Crash Box Special just after take off on five attempts!  Thinking I should give up on that one I asked Dave if he had any slip togethers so that at least I could get an official flight.  He gave me a Guillow's Jetstream.  On it's first take off it crashed breaking the prop in half.  He gave me another Guillow's red prop.  I put it on and wound the model.  Just I got it wound (F.A.I. Tan, not the "blue band") the freewheel notch broke off the prop.  So, I glued the Crash Box Special back together one more time, wound it up and, just as I took the winder off the motor the motor broke.  I made another motor and got two flights on the board before the contest ended.  Let's just say it was not my best day! Roll Eyes

In two weeks Legal Eagle.  Come join the fun!
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2017, 03:46:04 PM »

Here is a video of Dave Gee's Comet Scorpion flying at the contest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8vBzUxq5ZU&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2017, 03:47:58 PM »

The Legal Eagle contest was on Wednesday the 26th.  It went smoothly but to say it went well would be overstating the case. There were eight entrants but only four of them were able to get official flights.  All flights were ROG and a minimum of 20 seconds was required for an official flight.  Each contestant had six attempts and the time was the best three of six.

The problem was that we had old guys flying old airplanes.  Light flying models only last so long.  When you keep them for years they acquire damage and repairs which adds weight and changes the trim..  A winning model from a few years back might have trim problems now that keep it from making the official flight minimum.  Example was Bill Watson who built a new model for the contest (his first Legal Eagle) and ran away with it.

The results were:

Bill Watson                           290.0 seconds
Joe Whiting                          166.8
Don Butman                          117.0
Stan Christopher                   114.0

No one else got an official flight.

Yes, I know I said I was going to have my new One Night In Jail in the contest, but I got so involved with other things that I didn't finish it in time and I destroyed the old one when I tried to put it on a diet. So, I did some timing and took pictures.

Here is the group picture from the end of the contest and a link to a video of Bill Watson flying his winning model for the camera after his official flights.    The flight was intended to be short enough for my old cell phone to transmit to my computer but it was still too long.

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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2017, 03:29:11 PM »

Last Wednesday, July 26th, was the Penny Plane contest.  

I'll have to admit that Penny Plane is not my thing, I don't build that light.  Also, the contest can be a bit tedious since the flights and the prep between them can take some time.   Once again, it proved that these extremely light models are difficult to store for any length of time.  Several models could not complete the full number of attempted flights due to accumulated damage.  

Bill Watson built a new one for the contest and walked away with it.  He said that he was going to get four minute flights in that room and he did.  Also, there was a first, for me anyway, in this kind of flying...an in flight structural failure that actually destroyed the model! Shocked  Don Butman was not intending his fourth flight to be the last one of the day but a few seconds into the flight the motor stick simply disintegrated under the tension of the rubber (.075!) and the rest of the model simply fell to the floor in a heap.  For a contest where the flights are usually as exciting as watching paint dry that was positively horrifying!

The contest was done on a total of the best two flights of five attempts with a minimum of 20 seconds to be an official flight.  (Yes, if trimmed wrong a Penny Plane can fly for less than 20 seconds!) and all contestants models were weighed for a 3 gram minimum.  

The results were:

1.     Bill Watson              3.2 g           474.6 seconds
2.     Bud Matthews          5.13            290.36
3.     Don Butman             6.8             240                     3 flights
4.     Don Martin               6.9             226                     3 flights
5.     Stan Christopher       6.6             169                     2 flights
6.     Lowell Norenberg       4.5              97.36                 2 flights

Pete Bassone's model was damaged during pre-contest trimming and was not flown in competition.

Still, despite the frustrations it was an interesting contest and the members had fun (See smiles in group shot.).

We did have a visitor to the contest who will likely be joining the group.  The invitation still stands to anyone who is in the area on Wednesday mornings to come to our meeting and flying session.  Meetings start at 9:00 AM and flying from 10 to Noon at the Stonehurst Recreation Center gym, 9901 Dronfield Avenue, Sun Valley, California.

Next contest is August 30.  The subject is Peanut Scale.  Scale judging is modified Mooney judging not full on FAC rules.

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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2017, 04:28:45 PM »

I apologize for not reporting promptly on the Peanut Scale contest.  I did not attend because of some personal business but will report as soon as I get the results.

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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2017, 12:31:46 AM »

I did not attend the contest so I'm copying Dave Gee's report of the contest from the Black Sheep Squadron newsletter.

Fliers were Don Martin, Don Smith, John Buntin, Joe Whiting, Don Butman, Dave Gee, and Bill Watson. 11 entries made for a wide and varied field.
The planes included 2 Fikes, 2 Piper Cubs, a Farman Moustique, Yak 5, SE5a, Pietenpol, 1910 Faris monoplane, Rearwin Speedster, and a Heath Racer. Some were old models, well-trimmed. Others were brand new and untested until the very day.

This year's rules favored flying over scale, with Mooney judging adding only a few bonus points based on how well each plane did in comparison to the others. The 10 second ROG bonus per flight was used by surprisingly few contestants.

Peanut is a challenging category, especially in the small OFFC gym. Things were complicated by a minor fuss with the leader of the preschool kids, who refused to compromise on floor space. Having a table of little kids in the middle of the room is a factor that the Reno Air Races never faced. We flew over their heads and into the table-legs, and forged ahead.

Bill Watson finished in first place with an immaculate Fike, steadily flown. Dave managed second with his long-nosed 1910 Faris eindekker. Don Butman again showed that he makes 'em fly as well as they look, with a third place Rearwin. Joe Whiting had disagreements with his SE5a, and had to settle for 4th place.

Thanks to Stan for timing, Pete for keeping such careful records of the contest, and Will for these pictures.
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2017, 10:17:59 PM »

Once again I did not attend the O.F.F.C. monthly contest.  This time it was because I am recovering from my birthday present last Friday, a new right hip.  I have been assured that I will be receiving photos and video to post along with the results.  I will post as soon as I get them.

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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2017, 02:20:36 PM »

The O.F.F.C. Embryo contest went off smoothly.  From all I have been told, everyone had fun with this contest.  The only detraction was the lights hanging down from the gym ceiling.  The last time this contest was held the gym was lighted by flush mounted florescent lights.  The models could skim the ceiling and contact did not diminish the flight times.  It was not uncommon to get two minute flights in that room.  Now, with the hanging halogen lights, if you get up among the lights you are gambling.  Even the winner, Joe Whiting, of whom it must be said, Embryo is his event, could not get a flight of better than 77 seconds this time.

The rules were:

Model must R.O.G.
Six flights allowed.
Ten second minimum for an official flight.
Score is total of best three flights.

The results:

1.     Joe Whiting                    220.6 seconds
2.     Pete Basone                 155.0
3.     Bill Watson                    154.2
4.     Don Butman                   152.9
5.     Dave Gee                      134.9
6.     Don Martin                      87.7
7.     Don Smith                       82.5
8.     Stan Christopher              81.1
9.     Wynn Hammer                 81.0

There were 9 contestants with 11 models flown.  Scores only counted for best flying models.

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