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« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2018, 06:27:59 PM »

Do you mean that you can't catch a computer virus? Oh well. Waiting to see some pics of the OFFC, especially if grandchildren are involved.
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« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2018, 02:51:40 PM »

I finally received the results of the Cat Glider Contest.

O.F.F.C. CAT GLIDER CONTEST
Score is best flight of 3 sets of 3 attempts.
1.   Bill Watson                  31.6
2.   Jim Leuken              24.4
3.   Pete Basone      24.3
4.   Lowell Norenberg           21.0
5.   Don Smith              19.8
6.   Don Martin              18.2
7.   Bud Matthews      15.0
Wynn Hammer                     n/a

I did attend the next meeting and once again Don Butman arrived with interesting models.  This time it was a Spitfire from Guillow's plans circa 1940.  The original model had a 24 inch wing span but Don doesn't usually build that large so he reduced the size to 20 inches.  He also added his own touches such as a one piece wing held on by magnets and, of course, he had to build a No-Cal version of it also.

Bud Mathews brought in an Arf-A-Senator.  He suggested that we include an Arf-A-Senator No-Cal contest later in the year.  He seems to like models of models!  Anyway, the members present agreed, and according to club rules, Bud was appointed CD of the added event.

April Contest is Legal Eagle.
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« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2018, 07:32:02 PM »

Legal Eagle was the O.F.F.C. contest for April and it was well attended with 11 contestants.  The field quickly separated into two groups, the over 100 seconds crowd and the under 100 seconds crowd.  Most of the designs flown were well known.  The iconoclasts were myself and Dave Gee.  Dave threw a new wrinkle into Legal Eagle with a scale (Well, sort of.  It's standoff scale if you're standing far enough away.) model of a Spitfire that met the rules.  I thought about this and suggested that maybe we should have a scale Legal Eagle competition in the future but I was shouted down on that idea.  I flew my One Night in Jail, an idea that I have almost given up after the showing last month.

Anyway, the results were

Place   Name                                                    Time in seconds.
1.        Bill Watson                                             220.3
2.        Joe Whiting                                            184.3
3.        Don Butman                                           146.3
4.        Pete Basone                                           104.5
5.        Howard Littman                                        74.4
6.        Dave Gee                                                63.9
7.        Don Smith                                               59.8
8.        John Buntin                                             44.0
9.        Lowell Norenberg                                      35.2
10.      Wynn Hammer                                          23.6
11.      Stan Christopher                                        7.0

Part of the spread was due to some of the guys needing to build new models because the old ones are worn out and part of it comes under the old bit of advise, "Don't Crash!"  However, everyone had fun as is evidenced by the smiling faces in the post contest group photo.

The May contest is P-18 "Hawk" one design.  CD was making noises about requiring stock, per plan, front ends this time.  We shall see...
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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2018, 12:16:55 AM »

At today's O.F.F.C. meeting the question of the P-18s for the contest being built "to plan" was settled.  Stan gave out the official rules and they specified the North Pacific prop and front end "with no upgrades".  Dave Gee surprised everyone by supplying, from his amazing stash, a new, unused, North Pacific front end to everyone who said they were going to fly in the contest.  I do have some in my "stash" but they are all used and a bit sloppy.  This will ensure as level a playing field for this contest as can be had!

Error in my last post...Stan Christopher did not fly in the Legal Eagle contest.  Someone entered his name on the score sheet, with an insulting 7 seconds, and I did not question it.  My apologies to Stan!
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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2018, 05:49:02 PM »

The P-18 contest was held on April 30.  Although a contest for models that tend to float around in a stately fashion it was quite exciting to watch.  Maybe this is even more so because of the obstructions in the flying site.  More interesting are the varying techniques used to try to get maximum performance in this site by modelers flying essentially the same model.  Some contestants tried to keep their flights just below the hanging lights while others went for the ceiling while attempting a tight enough turn to circle the center light while avoiding the other lights.  The launch techniques varied from a normal hand launch to trying to launch as low to the floor as possible.  Of course, any contact with the lights or the backstop hoisting cables destroyed any planned flight pattern, but because of the P-18 design's phenomenal recover characteristics, did not usually end a flight simply made it more interesting.

The pictures:

The group shot after the contest,

Bill Watson doing a low to the floor launch,

Stan Christopher watching his model climb.


The results were:
Place      Name               Time in seconds
1.          Pete Basone         191.3
2.      Lowell Norenberg         170.9
3.      Will Woods            166.9
4.      Bill Watson            166.0
5.      Don Smith            138.2
6.      Don Martin            124.6
7.      Stan Christopher         111.3
8.      John Buntin              88.5

CD      Barry Dougherty

June has two contests, the outdoor Spot Landing/Predicted Time contest on the 13th and Penny Plane on the 27th.
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« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2018, 05:54:00 PM »

And, a few more pictures from the P-18 Contest.

The timing table with Kurt Young timing, Barry Dougherty (CD) recording, and Bud Matthews kibitzing.

Pete Basone's little corner of the gym getting his model ready.

Jim Leuken assisting Bill Watson winding his model.
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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2018, 08:58:47 PM »

June was the two contest month for the O.F.F.C., Spot Landing/Predicted Time and Penny Plane. 

Spot Landing/Predicted Time is the only outdoor contest in the O.F.F.C. schedule.  There was an interesting selection of models flown from Guillow's slip-togethers to scratch built models done just for the competition. I put a new motor stick on my Crash Box Special but didn't get a chance to test it before the contest day. I arrived late after dropping my grandson off at Cooking Camp (He didn't want to go to Science Camp this year.) and the wind was up.  The best I could do was 5th in both Spot Landing (49 feet on a 50 foot max) and 2 seconds off my predicted time.  This year you didn't just call out your time at launch, you had to write your time on the tally board before you took your model out to the field for an attempt.  Five attempts were allowed.

I've attached the pages on the contests from the July Black Sheep Newsletter for photos and details.  There is a picture of my model riding a thermal at the outdoor contest, I got it a bit too high going for a 36 second time.  The end of that flight is shown by the photo I posted.
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« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2018, 05:05:12 PM »

July 25th was the O.F.F.C. Dime Scale Contest, or as the CD, Joe Whiting says, 9 Cent Scale, due to the relaxed rules.  In this case, it was judging only for extra points, 5 points for low wing, 10 points for biplane, and an extra 10 points for ROG. The contest was for best single flight of unlimited tries,  The model had to have a maximum 16” wing span, be made of only 1/16” stock and be a “recognizable scale” model of an aircraft that flew before 1945.  Reproduction dime scale models with additional plastic parts were allowed, (“Sure, if they don’t mind the extra weight, let them fly.” Joe)

Only five members had models ready for the event.  That was partially because we were not sure it was going to happen since the refinishing of the gym floor was supposed to commence on the 25th. Even with only five entrants there were nine models flown.  The outside temperature was 110°(F) so the air conditioning was on full in the room. The turbulent air made for some interesting flights and despite the small number of contestants it was fun to watch.

Results:  (Only best flying models of multiple entries counted.)

1,   Joe Whiting      Howard DGA      56.7
2.   Bill Watson      Wiley Post Biplane   50.3
3.   Don Butman      Farman Moustique   40.0
4.   Don Smith      Rearwin Speedster   17.4
5.   John Buntin      J-3 Cub         12.3

Will Woods recorded times.  Kurt Young and Howard Littman did the timing.
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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2018, 07:44:52 PM »

We thought that we were going to be out of the Stonehurst gym for the month of August while the floor was being refinished.  Didn't make sense that the floor needed refinishing let alone that it would take a month to refinish the floor, but OK.  We looked for another temporary venue and were offered the gym at Branford Park, 13306 Branford St., Arleta, CA 91331, for our meetings August 15 and 22.  We decided to meet today and next week, August 08, under the trees on the Stonehurst field and have an outdoor session.   We don't know yet where the August 29 A6 contest will be held which particularly bothered me since I am the CD for that event.  I will make a post when that is decided.

When we got to Stonehurst this morning it became obvious why the "refinishing" of the floor would take a month.  They are not refinishing the floor, they are replacing it with an entire new flooring system.  The meeting went well this morning. We brought our camp chairs and a couple of camp tables and had our meeting in the shade of the trees and walked out into the open field to launch outdoor models.  It was a little breezy but we had no flyaways and only one model, a cat glider, had to be poled out of a tree.  

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« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2018, 05:17:26 PM »

We had another outdoor meeting today.  It was too breezy to fly anything not radio controlled so while we sat under the trees and had the meeting we were entertained by Ira Ratner with two RC foamies a T-28 and a Cessna and by Bill Watson with his Jetstream glider.  He is a master at Hy-start launches.

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« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2018, 12:42:26 AM »

We met at the Branford Park gym this morning.  No meeting room, as we have at Stonehurst, but the gym, as a flying venue is better.  The air conditioning is gentle and, although it has an open truss roof, the bottoms of the roof trusses are noticeably higher than the ceiling at Stonehurst.  If a model gets stuck in the roof trusses we can retrieve it with a pole whereas if it goes into one of the "black holes" in the Stonehurst ceiling it gone until something up there needs maintenance.

Unfortunately, there was a notice on the gym door informing us that the gym will be closed for two weeks starting on the 27th to refinish the floor!  We're still looking for a venue for the A6 contest on the 29th.

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« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2018, 11:06:09 PM »

For the month of August the O.F.F.C. was a club in search of a venue. We were chased from the Stonehurst Rec Center because the gym floor was being replaced. The first two meetings were held outdoors, under the trees, on the Stonehurst field. This did not provide an environment for trimming an A6. Thanks to the efforts of Don Martin and Kathy Mader from the Seniors Programs at the Parks Department we were able to hold the next two meetings at the Branford Park gym. Then we were barred from there because that gym floor was being refinished. So, effort was made again and we held the A6 contest at the Panorama Park rec center, probably the smallest venue we have held a contest.

The results were:
1. Bill Watson      272 seconds
2. Pete Basone    206.8
3. Jim Leuken      182.5
4. Don Butman    148.3
Howard Littman was the CD and along with Kurt Young and John Buntin did the timing.

The next meeting will be on September 5th and, as far as we know, will be at the Panorama Park rec center, 8600 Hazeltine Ave, Panorama City.
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« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2018, 02:55:20 PM »

It appears that we will be in the Panorama City Park location for the next few weeks.  The floor renovations at Stonehurst and Branford are going slowly.  This is not good for the upcoming Unlimited Scale event since the Panorama venue is minimal size.  At tomorrows meeting we will discuss the possibility of making it an outdoor event at Stonehurst.

Two weeks ago, we had a discussion about the Black Sheep Squadron having a rubber powered dirigible at the AMA EXPO in November.  During the following week Bill Watson built one and brought it for testing at the O.F.F.C. meeting.   (See photos)

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« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2018, 01:01:33 PM »

We did not have an  O.F.F.C. meeting this week.  Don, our president, could not contact any of the three venues we have on the phone to confirm availability.  We are still searching for a venue for next week's Unlimited Scale contest.  Panorama is unsuitable being the smallest venue we fly in since some of the indoor scale ships have 30 inch wing spans and do not turn that tight, and it has a really fierce air conditioning system that we cannot shut off for the contest.  The floor replacement at Stonehurst is progressing slower than predicted and painting the markings on the new floor may still be in progress next week.  We have not yet heard if Branford will be available.  We have approached the CD, Bill Watson, with the possibility of having the contest outdoors at Stonehurst or postponing it again.  Will post the decision by Tuesday.
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« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2018, 06:24:23 PM »

Per Don Martin, President, and Bill Watson, CD,

The Unlimited Scale Contest will be held Wednesday, Sept. 26, 9:00 AM, outdoors, at Stonehurst.

Don called the park staff and they will turn the sprinklers off Tuesday and Wednesday morning so that the field will be dry for us.

Don't be too enthusiastic about what you bring to fly...its outdoors, but the field is a bit smaller than the Grassy Knoll.

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« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2018, 12:35:35 AM »

OK, I did compete in the Unlimited Scale contest on September 26th, but did so badly that I was embarrassed to post about it.  For continuity's sake I may as well get it over with.

The contest was, indeed, held outdoors at Stonehurst.  It really was a beautiful morning, clear, and only a slight breeze.  The wind held off until 11:00 AM.  Eight people flew but there were 13 models.  Amazingly enough, Bill Watson brought only one entry.  Dave Gee brought a Dumas T-34 and a Clipped Wing Monocoupe.  Barry Dougherty brought a Piper Cub as did Bill Watson and Don Butman who brought two and a peanut Pilatus Porter.  Don Smith had a Comet Porterfield.  Don Martin showed up with a Guillow's Cessna 180 and Hugh Lnaghans ahd an Aeronca Champ.  I had nothing new to fly my SE5 being framed but uncovered (I did start the covering at the AMA EXPO but that's a post of another thread.) so I took a couple of my Beaver prototypes and a Pilatus Porter prototype down from the ceiling and put fresh rubber in them.

The strange thing was that with all the experience there and good weather everyone was having trouble getting anything to fly.  It was nearly the end of the session when models started flying.  Scale judging was a Mooney linup

The results were:

  • 1. Dave Gee                Monocoupe                                 101.2 seconds  (includesl 16 scale points)
    2.  Don Smith              Porterfield                                   96.1 seconds  (10 points)
    3.  Bill Watson             Piper Cub                                    62.0 seconds  (14 points)
    4.  Don Butman            Pilatus Porter                               59.7 seconds   (6 points)
    5.  Barry Daugherty      Piper Cub                                    46.8 seconds   (15 points)
    6.  Don Martin             Cessna 180                                  46.1 seconds   (12 points)
    7.  Howard Littman       Beaver (U-6B)                              38.7 seconds   (8 points)
    8. Hugh Langhans        Aeronca                                      36.8 seconds   (4 points)
My Porter and one of my Beavers ended up cartwheeling in and tearing their wings off.  Should have left them on the ceiling. Six years ago, when they were built, I could get a minute out of them.  Oh, Well!

I did not go to the Mini-Stick contest on October 31.  It was Halloween and I had to put up the decorations before the Trick-or-Treating started.  No one gave me any pictures or any times.
  The results were:

  • 1. Bill Watson
    2. Bill Watson  (With so few entries the CD decided to let both of his count.)
    3. Jim Leuken
    4.Bud Matthews
    5.Don Butman

The next contest, No-Cal Scale, will be on November 28.  With the Pearl Harbor No-Cal contest coming up on December 7 I expect that there will be many Pearl Harbor models at this contest.
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