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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2017, 11:10:11 AM »

So, the best FF scale modeller in the UK has upped his game substantially: bugger!  Grin Grin Wink

At this rate your Kudos will outnumber your posts: is that some sort of record?!
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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2017, 04:35:08 PM »

Compared with one of my standard builds it takes bloomin' ages though! I think I have had enough now, so am glad I'm at the painting stage.

I love the occupants. I think they will make a lot of people smile at Nijmegen. Yes, adding lots of detail puts you on an exponential curve time-wise, and it´s definitely the law of diminishing returns in terms of competition marks. Best to please yourself. I reckon that including ailerons adds 50% to the wing building time.
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2017, 06:52:41 AM »

I hope you are not thinking of sitting on it for example Graham, should the opportunity arise at say Stalham?  I must admit I am impressed with the ability that this chap shows to complete quite quickly a model, having to work and, as he clearly does so enthusiastically, spend time with his family.  He's doing Norfolk proud!
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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2017, 03:54:32 PM »

 Smiley Smiley! Actually, i can't wait to see it finished and flying. The extra capacity of a parkzone motor to power models of this size and type whilst going to the next level in terms of actually creating the detail (with the inevitable weight penalty) as opposed to suggesting it with panel lines and airbrush shading opens up new possibilities.

I agree with Bill that seeking perfection in every detail is a law of diminishing returns in terms of static scores  and the time commitment exponentially increases the further down this path one decides to go. However, i think Richard is going about it the right way: selecting a subject with a proven ability as a stable consistent flyer, but which also has a limited amount of detail as a full size aircraft, all of which is pretty much repeatable at model size. Difficult to deduct marks from a model where every detail is present....

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« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2017, 04:11:09 AM »

I’ve been able to get some paint on my Tri-Pacer over the last few days. I researched the colours with the help of Piper Aircraft, and they appear to be Daytona White, which was the standard base colour, and Phoenix Tan, which was a special option colour on 1960 Tri-Pacers (and other years). The Daytona White shade was made with 10 parts white and 1 part Tamiya Dark Yellow. The tan shade is Humbrol Gloss 9, a good match. All paints are acrylic. I’m really pleased with the colour choice, gives the aircraft a nice period look. Those fuselage codes are a non-standard font, but are nicely styled. I drew up the markings on the full size plan side view, printed them out, then used them as a cutting mask, sat over some yellow Frog tape. Some shots of the ‘Piper works’ attached.
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« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2017, 06:03:13 AM »

If Rich doesn't bugger up the exterior spray job , its a winner Grin!
It's a winner.
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« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2017, 09:30:31 AM »

Nah.... bit of a mess really - he has been busy with photoshop!  Might be in with a chance if no one else turns up!
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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2017, 11:03:34 AM »

That colour is so evocative of the era   Smiley
I can imagine Harry Callahan chasing it down the runway!
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« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2017, 12:28:52 PM »

That colour is so evocative of the era   Smiley
I can imagine Harry Callahan chasing it down the runway!

...Ha, in a brown suit of course!
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« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2017, 01:43:42 PM »

But presumably in his Ford Galaxie?  And I take it you are not referring to the photographer who is noted for saying boys like making things and are mechanical but girls are not! Not today so much perhaps?

However back to topic young Crossley clearly has a mechanical and creatively artistic bent.  And some integrity too.  I did suggest he used photoshop to imitate the colours in the photo and on the model but he felt this might be a little dishonest!

My only criticism so far is no hinges on the doors - just a catch and handle.
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« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2017, 08:15:23 AM »

Pickey, pickey, pickey Cheesy!
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« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2017, 03:27:51 AM »

Yay! I am relieved to say that I have now just about completed my 1/14th scale Tri-pacer. I just have a few minor details to ad, and she's done. Flight tests in the local park went well, she flew just like my smaller version. CG is well forward (ahead of 25% wing chord), with 4.5 degrees positive incidence, so she's stable and looks slow. Rudder and elevator are hinged with litho plate for trimming, and are very sensitive, so I'll now be locking these with shims so they don't move. Weight came out bang on 70 grams. Couple of pics taken on a rather dull day here in Norfolk.
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« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2017, 03:49:40 AM »

Gorgeous.
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« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2017, 04:57:01 AM »

Wonderful! Can't wait to see it up close.
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« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2017, 05:26:16 AM »

Inspirational Richard.  Gets my vote for sure.  Is this for indoor, outdoor or both?
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« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2017, 05:33:58 AM »

That is gorgeous Richard. Is that a rubber prop?
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« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2017, 06:36:21 AM »

Yes........ alright as they go I suppose.  70gms?Huh? Really - my Peanut DR1 is heavier than that and this Osprey I am messing about with - well shall we say the fuselage needs two hands to hold it so sanding is kept to a minimum, being somewhat difficult! Holding it in the workmate helps.

As to the hinges I found litho plate fractures quickly but then I probably have had to be excessive on the adjustment; so copper wire seemed a good alternative.
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« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2017, 07:18:34 AM »

Inspirational Richard.  Gets my vote for sure.  Is this for indoor, outdoor or both?

Thanks ZK, this one is for indoor. That front spat is quite vulnerable for outdoor flying I think. I trimmed it before fitting the spat, but am still a little worried, as a knock to the front leg may cause binding on the tyre and mess up my take offs!
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« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2017, 07:20:59 AM »

That is gorgeous Richard. Is that a rubber prop?

Its the prop supplied with the motor Monz. Nice isn't it? I'm using the same motor that is used on the Parkzone P-51, and the prop is also pretty much spot-on scale for the Tri-Pacer
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« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2017, 07:49:02 AM »

Beautiful Richard! Looking forward to seeing it flying.
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« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2017, 09:05:05 AM »

Looks superb!
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« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2017, 11:11:57 AM »

Very nice. No idea on how to achieve such a clean finish. Just great!
It would be cool to see it flying one time...

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« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2017, 11:25:31 AM »

It's delightful. I hope to see it fly, hopefully at the indoor scale Nats next year?
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« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2017, 12:34:18 PM »

It's delightful. I hope to see it fly, hopefully at the indoor scale Nats next year?

Yes, I intend to fly it at the UK Nats next year, also Nijmegan next month.
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« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2017, 01:04:57 PM »

Looks great! I intend to see it and you soon. ..

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