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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2018, 02:54:57 PM »

Pete... LOL!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy. Not laughing at Bill per se, but laughing at the wittiness of your comment...  Are you coming tommorow Bill?  If so I'll hold him down and you can Jab him in the ribs and see how funny he is then!  Cheesy Grin Grin

Hi Andrew. I´m flying back to Bristol tomorrow but will be driving past the mudslide and hope to call in.
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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2018, 04:04:00 PM »

Ok, I hope to see you... We'll give that Fardell bloke a good going over... Cheesy

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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2018, 04:53:03 PM »

Hi Andrew. I´m flying back to Bristol tomorrow but will be driving past the mudslide and hope to call in.

Uh-oh, I thought you'd be safely in Spain!











...but if you are coming, how about a re-enactment of the mudslide incident? Some of us missed it the first time and I'm sure it would go down well on YouTube.
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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2018, 06:00:59 PM »

Looks spot on. I think this will do well. It looks like a safe one for relative newcomers, too.
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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2018, 07:13:11 AM »

Another fine effort Andrew. Uneven rib spacing in the stab - front and back of the main spar seems to be your trade mark. Why exactly do you like it like that?

Good luck with the maiden flights.

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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2018, 07:53:02 AM »

Because weaknesses in the spar at each notch-point are reduced by separating them?
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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2018, 01:58:55 PM »

- Yup!  Spot on Jon...

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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2018, 02:50:08 PM »

She flies.

Nice and slow too.  This is one of the trimming flights with around 600 winds  I was happy enough with this today, and put it away before I "improved" (broke) it...

https://youtu.be/MxALvGRB-wM

It needed a bit of noseweight, but not much.

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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2018, 03:11:57 PM »

Very nice indeed!
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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2018, 03:21:23 PM »

Andrew-any indication of when the Bird dog kit will be available?

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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2018, 03:47:35 PM »

That looks fantastic! So annoyed I couldn't make it today.

Cheers,

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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2018, 04:01:19 PM »

Cheers guys...

Not sure exactly Chris.  I have the photo quality one to build, plus writing the instructions.  I am also away with work soon.  If I had to have a stab at a date I reckon it will be mid March...

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« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2018, 04:13:13 PM »

Lovely flight ... especially for an early one.
I was also annoyed that I couldn't make it today.
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2018, 04:48:50 PM »

Beautiful flight and landing especially so.
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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2018, 05:15:50 PM »

It looked great! A very nice representarion of the Bird Dog, which to my mind definitely has a certain something which other high wing monoplanes don't. Here's my own vid of the same flight. (It's not nearly as good quality, but at least the angle's different.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RTfd9q4hNm8
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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2018, 12:53:52 AM »

[quoteBecause weaknesses in the spar at each notch-point are reduced by separating them?][/quote]

Thanks Jon and Andrew - that makes sense. The glue at each joint probably makes a reasonable stress riser - more so with light balsa. Another probable good reason to not use much CA.

Very nice slow flight Andrew - amazing for it's first outing.

John
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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2018, 03:39:57 AM »

I dropped in to see what was going on and was mightily impressed with the Bird Dog. Slow-flying and stable, with scale dihedral. It's a very low-drag design.
It's a nice meeting and needs a lot more support.
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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2018, 06:19:59 AM »

TBH I though I'd fouled up on the dihedral when I built it, but when I measured it it was fine.  It is pretty well much scale, but looks less than it is (as does the real thing). There is a weird optical illusion with it.  Because the cabin sides taper inwards top to bottom it makes the angle look less that it is...

Yes we suffered again yesterday, the hall was £200 and 8 filers at £10 a pop meant a £120 deficit from the club bank account...

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« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2018, 06:49:17 AM »

Sorry to hear about the deficit.  Maybe more people (or people they care for) are currently hit with one of the vicious colds or the big flu that's currently about?

The monthly indoor meeting at Newbury (which I missed on Saturday due to aforementioned lurgy) is split between RC and FF, with separate alternating half-hour slots.  This helps keep it economic for all, but to be honest it normally takes most of each half hour to even begin to get a model trimmed and then I find I've lost my 'flow' when the next FF slot comes up!  Or I incur damage to the model at the start of the slot and waste the rest of it doing repairs!

Its all just too intense!  Now, where's the nearest 'safe-space' to go and lie down...?   Shocked
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« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2018, 04:00:02 PM »

Cheers guys...

Not sure exactly Chris.  I have the photo quality one to build, plus writing the instructions.  I am also away with work soon.  If I had to have a stab at a date I reckon it will be mid March...

Andrew

That's good-in other words few months time. Not too long to wait.

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« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2018, 08:31:47 AM »

Today I went to the model shop in Nottingham. The walls were festooned with all sorts of FF kits - Guillows, Westwings, Aerographics, etc. I asked the chap why they didn't stock the VMC range. When he finally understood what I was talking about, he said they couldn't get them. I looked incredulous, and he explained that they depend on suppliers - middle men - to bring them what they have.
How naive am I. I assumed that a shop, realising that the VMC range are far better quality and value, would call VMC direct and ask them to send kits. At that point I realised why the model shop sells  British wire that doesn't fit American tubes.
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« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2018, 11:11:10 AM »

Strange!

When i was up at the VMC works in the summer they were working on a really nice display/presentation box thing with a pop up at the back - all to make it easy for the shops!  If this is Gee Dee's I thought Paul Briggs had bought one form there so I am surprised?

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« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2018, 12:03:51 PM »

Andrew; about 18 months ago they had a very few - Tiger, Spitfire... They never had an SE5 and nothing since.
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« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2018, 04:37:07 PM »

It looked great! A very nice representarion of the Bird Dog, which to my mind definitely has a certain something which other high wing monoplanes don't. Here's my own vid of the same flight. (It's not nearly as good quality, but at least the angle's different.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RTfd9q4hNm8
Nicely parked at the end.
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« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2018, 04:34:30 AM »

Here is Paul Briggs' version of an old Mike Hetherington design. Mike made many models, like this, out of pre-painted paper. His best was a Stosser.
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