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« Reply #700 on: June 10, 2018, 02:33:04 PM »

Nice work Pete that really looks the part.

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« Reply #701 on: June 10, 2018, 04:41:08 PM »

Thank you Pete, found it and ordered some.
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« Reply #702 on: June 11, 2018, 08:15:39 AM »

   Looks like a real floater Pete, well done.
    Well I've spent some of the Queen's Birthday Long Weekend finishing the floats for the WD11.   Thanks to Crabby who sent me an article on WW1 marine lozenge that also agreed with the articles in my Windsock Data files, I've made up a more accurate file to print the lozenge tissue. It is a lot "grayer" than I previously thought, though it doesn't show that so much in the photos, I tried with the flash off and on and it still photographs brighter than it looks. This is probably a good thing as when I first printed it out it seemed too dull compared with the WW1 photos, might be a good idea the take a b/w photo of the model when completed as a comparison.    The non slip grates on the top of the floats are balsa but the underside strakes are cut from 1mm ply for a bit of durability. The float drainage/inspection hatches have been punched from .25mm plasticard.
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« Reply #703 on: June 11, 2018, 08:27:23 AM »

Wow, I just got a great idea for a surfboard!
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« Reply #704 on: June 11, 2018, 09:24:47 AM »

Dave, they do look very nice - on the colouring I guess that immersion in seawater will have had an effect on the colours so anything that is close to the photograph will surely be beyond challenge?  I remember Meteors Venoms Vampires and Hunters of varying hues due to wear and tear sunlight rain etc.  Seawater is pretty harsh.  There is so much to praise in this model an "error" that can only be presumed at best will hardly be significant.
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« Reply #705 on: June 11, 2018, 11:01:03 AM »

Dave - those wood gratings, on top of the floats, look pretty real, and perfectly nicely spaced !!   Shocked   Really enjoying your build of that WW1  GOTHA   WD.II   "Wasser Doppeldecker" (water biplane) Torpedo Bomber Seaplane.

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« Reply #706 on: June 14, 2018, 01:55:26 PM »

Beautiful floats, Dave! Must do a seaplane one day.

Here are a few more Fokker EIII pics, now that I've added the pilot. I didn't make a new one as this weathered looking chap was lurking around on a shelf looking for a new job (his previous mount- Morane Parasol- having been scrapped!)
I also added two forward bracing wires to the kingpost. These are actual wire, rather than elastic. It's a fault of this kit design that all of the suggested rigging wires (if built as instructed) pull backwards, meaning the glued on bracing post gets pulled over under the combined tension. The two compensating wires I've added are at least scale though.
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« Reply #707 on: June 14, 2018, 08:15:14 PM »

Very authentic looking floats Dave - a lot of work there. Your Fokker E111 looks like it wants to get out and fly now - no mucking around. Smiley Very nice.

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« Reply #708 on: June 15, 2018, 06:32:46 AM »

Your Eindekker looks terrific Pete - ready for a right old scourge!
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« Reply #709 on: June 19, 2018, 11:30:37 PM »

  Managed to get some more done on the WD11, covered the center sections and the tail unit first with Lightweight Polyspan then covered the bottom surfaces with Peck Buff tissue to simulate the natural linen. Next I printed enough Lozenge tissue to cover the upper surfaces. I really made a mistake mounting the nacelles to the lower center section before covering as it made it difficult to cut out an exact hole in the printed tissue so it fitted closely and a the hexagons were square to the wing. I sprayed the side surfaces an appropriate shade of grey and the underside of the fuse a lighter shade that matched my references. The centersection struts are made from 2mm carbon fiber rod with a balsa fairing. I normally wrap these struts with dope and tissue for strength but this time I tried some shrink tube and it seemed to work well without much weight gain. That's it for now!
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« Reply #710 on: June 20, 2018, 04:29:00 AM »

Masterclass stuff. 
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« Reply #711 on: June 20, 2018, 05:18:20 AM »

Nice work Dave. Don't keep us in suspense - how did you get such a neat fi around the nacelles on the top of the wing centre section?

The lozenge tissue really stands out.

It's interesting to see that the heat shrink on the struts takes paint that well.

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« Reply #712 on: June 20, 2018, 07:54:17 AM »

  John, I used a very scientific method, I drew around the mold and cut out a card template, then I squared it to the leading edge.  Using the shrink tube came to me in the middle of the night, it was one of those things that might work and was worth a try.

      Managed to cover the wings with Polyspan this arvo and then gave them a coat of dope tonight
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« Reply #713 on: June 23, 2018, 09:40:28 PM »

Made a little progress on the Walfisch.... bent the wire for the gear struts, still need soldering. Made the wheels with cross grain laminated wheels with aluminum bearings.  I made a Mercedes engine that is still being completed with a foam exhaust collector.  Got the fuselage covered with some light blue tissue.  Ran out of gluestick so will be waiting on new gluesticks for the wings and empennage.  Here's a few pics...
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« Reply #714 on: June 24, 2018, 12:25:36 AM »

Nice work Tom, and good to see your progress.

Agree with John, Dputt7, how do you do what you do?  Rhetorical question of course. 
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« Reply #715 on: June 24, 2018, 10:32:42 AM »

Nice work going on here. I confess I have been been holding off on the Tripe-Hound while I fix and fly. The weather has been great for it in Palm Bay. Anyway.... while shopping at Ace the other day I saw these fluted dowels for reinforcing furniture joints, and and thought "Vickers" so my mind was infected by a juvenile temptation to make a gun for my tripe. As a very young artist no airplane picture was complete without fire breathing cannons, lead puking machine guns, and swastikas all over the place Roll Eyes. The gun sight is gonna happen as soon as I find a straw the right diameter. Meanwhile, I was removing the pricetag from a shirt I got at Goodwill, and saw a perfect basis for the wind-driven fuel pump more later.
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« Reply #716 on: June 24, 2018, 02:23:03 PM »

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... fluted dowels for reinforcing furniture joints, and thought "Vickers" ...
That's a good idea, but aren't they going to be a touch on the heavy side?  The only ones I've seen on this side of the puddle are pine.
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« Reply #717 on: June 24, 2018, 04:47:09 PM »

Walfisch looking very nice. I also like the furniture peg Vickers gun idea.

Had a very quick first trimming session with the Fokker this evening. Quick because my wife's brother's visiting and I was under strict orders to be back for the evening meal. Therefore I didn't manage much more than a few glides and low powered meanderings. Quite promising though with no alarms so far. It seems quite floaty and it was all so much more relaxing than recent efforts trying to trim my much heavier Callair. In fact I'm quite determined never to build another model in the 'brick s***house' wing loading category. They're just not worth the heartache.
Anyway, no vids worth posting yet but here's a still from one, proving it at least got some air beneath its wings...
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« Reply #718 on: June 24, 2018, 07:27:49 PM »

That looks great Pete! Looking very promising if that's just the start.
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« Reply #719 on: June 24, 2018, 07:41:45 PM »

Sounds like a sound resolution, Pete!  Smiley
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« Reply #720 on: June 26, 2018, 10:33:24 AM »

Back to the field today. Main difference was that the Fokker was now equiped with a slightly more powerful motor: effectively 7 strands of 1/8 (rather than the previous 6) but to give me an even number of loops on the Grey hook I made it up as four strands of 1/8 plus four of 3/32.
First effort was okay but very stally. On landing I managed to loosen the starboard dihedral join resulting in a floppy droopy wing. Not good, especially as I had little in the way of field repair materials. However a bit of tempory bodgery with a little balsa wedge and a tightening of the top rigging lines enabled me to continue. More noseweight got rid of the stall and it started to look okay. However, after increasing the turns the plastic clutch on the prop suddenly gave way. I had no spare prop with me, but did manage to bend the shaft back over the prop completely eliminating the freewheel but again enabling me to continue. I then got a lovely long flight, turning right and captured on my iPad (so I thought). However, I made a rookie mistake: I took my eye off the landing spot to stop the video recording and instantly lost the model in the grass. I then spent over half an hour fruitlessly slogging about through the savannah to no avail. I had the idea of simply playing back my video and getting a bearing from that, only to discover that somehow the camera had flipped into selfie mode so all I had was 47 seconds of the lower half of my face! By now I was getting quite worried. A beige plane was missing in a large beige field and I'd already tramped, circled, zigzagged and spiralled over what I thought was the general area it had landed in. If only I could get a bird's eye view I thought. Then I looked at the larger of the two impressive hills of horse manure...
Could I?...Should I?....
Only one way to find out if a dung mountain is weight bearing: take a run at it and up you go!
On the top I didn't sink slowly to a smelly, suffocating death but stood and slowly surveyed my kingdom. I couldn't see the Fokker anywhere. But then I noticed a small patch of slightly lighter beige in the sea of beige. I didn't really believe it was the model, but took a bearing on the hedge behind and set off. It WAS the model!
Back at the stooge I wound it once more. Unfortunately my iPad was now out of charge and anyway the next attempt failed to get away. One more go I decided, and filmed it on my phone instead. For some reason it went left this time, but here it is; the day's final flight. I worked hard to get it, so please don't be too critical!
 https://youtu.be/VRz6ped0ygA
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« Reply #721 on: June 26, 2018, 12:00:00 PM »

     That is a wonderful, gentle,   ~ 30 sec  flight Pete !!  of your  30"  Fokker EIII Eindecker, in your video above.   Good story and a great reward for all your hard work.   I looks like you can see pretty good, far and wide, from standing on top of those hill piles of brown.   Grin    Glad you found your Eindecker Fighter.     Smiley  And, it looks like you have that perfect mythical high grass too.  Shocked   What is that field you fly on?  Has it gone to fallow? or is it going to be plowed?   Undecided
     Very nice launch - I snipped six action pics for a stop motion slide show ...

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« Reply #722 on: June 26, 2018, 01:04:36 PM »

Pete,
It is great to see you enjoying yourself wth a model of something designed to fly instead of a, so called, flying machine where the aerodynamicists have not caught up with the furniture makers and the riggers, who are trying to hold it all together are more used to rigging ships than flying machines.
In one of the still pictures it looks to me as if the the dihedral has increased on the right wing which could account for the left turn on the second flight.
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« Reply #723 on: June 26, 2018, 02:13:55 PM »

Thanks for the stills, Richard!
John, I'm not sure about the reason for it turning the other way. I think it's just that the rudder/thrust setting puts it on a bit of a knife edge, but I don't really mind which way it turns, so long as it flies. The dihedral, especially on the right wing looks quite shocking I know (sorry, Eindecker fans- you must be wincing!) but in my defence I think it has been grossly exaggerated by the fish eye lens on my low quality phone, hence it looks worse at the launch when it's still near to me. It was also slightly increased and made over-flexible by my temporary fix of tightening the top rigging elastic. I'll put it back to something much less horrible when I repair it properly.
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« Reply #724 on: June 26, 2018, 04:13:44 PM »

Dihedral always looks worse in photos/video Pete, as does speed. If you have extra dihedral on the right, you´ve got effective tail tilt which will give a left glide, and the glide looks off to me: I would look for a wing warp. But when it´s sorted, you could lose that to a thermal!
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