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« Reply #150 on: October 07, 2018, 07:58:34 PM »

John,
        Thank you for that clarification because we can now piggy back this into our rules. It may save us a difficult situation from those who want to push the boundaries.
 We use the same rules for outdoor kit scale so it has even more relavance.
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« Reply #151 on: October 08, 2018, 03:37:03 AM »

Pete, KS rules say to provide the original plan for documentation - some of the 'Replikit' and 'Physics of Flight' kits just used blown up original KK (or other) plans, with no wood sizes altered and no manufacturers printed block, or stamp.  So you cannot identify that it was offered as a kit with just the plan (now at 150% size).
Some were altered and stamped up with the new manufacturers name.

So to prevent any issues for the poor hard pressed KS judges, the competitor has to provide additional proof that it actually was kitted at 150% size.
This can take the form of the kit box, an advert, a web page or a statement from the manufacturer, as long as it is proper proof.
If the drawing is re-dimensioned with Replikit or VMC etc. also on it, then clearly that is OK just with the plan.

Thanks again, John. I know you have far better things to do than coming on here explaining every last detail of the KS rules, but I for one am now super clear on this whole issue. I suppose I really ought to enter a 150% kit build now if only to justify all the trouble you've gone to!

 (With previous queries on whether lozenge pattern tissue can be printed off from CDs provided with the kit, and also the matter of how ski u/cs are judged, I'm a bit worried I'm getting a reputation as the awkward s*d of Kit Scale! I'm not doing it on purpose though!)
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« Reply #152 on: October 08, 2018, 03:56:53 AM »

Where would we all be Pete if no-one ever leaned against the boundaries?!  Grin
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« Reply #153 on: October 08, 2018, 04:06:09 AM »

Where would we all be Pete if no-one ever leaned against the boundaries?!  Grin

Well, depending on one's view I suppose the answer is either...

 "In a nice sunny Garden of Eden with no worries at all."

Or

"Shivering in a cave with no means to catch or cook the mammoths right outside our door."
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« Reply #154 on: October 08, 2018, 04:11:00 AM »

Oi, there's nothing wrong with my cave!
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« Reply #155 on: October 08, 2018, 04:14:19 AM »

Nor mine, Russ. I'm not one to push boundaries for the sake of it. As Sheldon Cooper said, "It's called a comfort zone for a reason!"  Cheesy
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« Reply #156 on: October 08, 2018, 04:22:49 AM »

 Grin .... everyone should live their lives like Sheldon.
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« Reply #157 on: October 08, 2018, 05:38:02 AM »

Ricky
You're welcome mate, glad it will be helpful.

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Where would we all be Pete if no-one ever leaned against the boundaries?!
Well I for one wouldn't have spent 7.5 hours driving and 8 hours on Saturday in an STC meeting.
The STC needs some new volunteers Jon.............................

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« Reply #158 on: October 08, 2018, 05:49:47 AM »

I can relate to that John. Our FFand Control line SIG has been the same for over 30 years. We reguarly offer to step down but there are not enough of us inany othe rplace to take over. The downside of being a small nation.
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« Reply #159 on: October 08, 2018, 12:43:09 PM »

Thanks again, John. Your hours sacrificed to the cause are much appreciated!
Here's a list of the Replikit 150-percenters, gleaned from pages 7 and 8 of a Replikit catalogue found on the ever-useful RCgroups site here: https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showatt.php?attachmentid=2502564

REPLIKIT 150 SERIES
Veron
Luscombe Sedan
Auster AOP 9
Chipmunk
Fokker D8
Hawker Fury
Hurricane
Tiger Moth
Keil Kraft
Mustang
Percival Provost
Seamew
Focke Wulf 190
Tempest

I think I'll probably do the KK Provost myself, which looks a bit woody in the original dimensions but would be a nice model at this bigger size. This 'bigger size', in most of these cases, is about 27" span. Replikit no longer exists of course, but some (not all) of these large versions are still marketed by VMC, available from them both as kits or just plans.
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« Reply #160 on: October 08, 2018, 01:55:48 PM »

I was going to say that I hope that someone makes one of these models after the efforts made ... Pete’s post beats me to it.
I will add to this by trying to get one of these models made.
I’ve mentioned my childhood visits to the Auster/Taylorcraft factory airfield before .... and it being the first aircraft my dad flew in ... so I’ll commit myself to this from the off!
Not even looked at the kit yet!
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« Reply #161 on: October 08, 2018, 02:06:23 PM »

Hi Pete, just to muddy the water a bit with your Replikit list I bought an FW190 kit off Fleabay about a year ago. This one had one of the previous range of kits in it, the ones that Doug McHard was chasing about for in the 1990,s. It was detailed on the listing as such (that's why I bought it) so did replikit do the others (Tempest, Typhoon, Spitfire, Zero are ones I can remember he found and built) or did I get a "cut and shut"? (I think we had reference to Arfur Daily once before didn't we?)
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« Reply #162 on: October 08, 2018, 04:44:47 PM »

Pete

It wasn't just myself of course - there are a number of other people who willingly give their time, Mike Stuart and Andy Sephton to name just two others.

Ricky

Yes it seems to be a problem not just in modelling (trying to get people onto a committee) we have the same issues in the classic car and bike clubs I know.

John M
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« Reply #163 on: October 10, 2018, 09:57:22 AM »

Seems fair enough.  If you want to enter KS then you entry has to be a model that was kitted - be it an original or a rehash subsequently at a different size that was kitted.  And it is for you to demonstrate that it was kitted at whatever size you have chosen to build it.  So nothing really has changed much has it?  Clearly it is prudent to ensure that your evidence that it was kitted is sound.  And that again is up to you so don’t squeak if the Judges (who must have the final say) are not happy. But then no one does do they.  I wonder what it is that makes our band so agreeable?b
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