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« on: February 03, 2019, 02:01:26 PM »

Got a bit excited over the weekend and started on a very quick build for kit scale.  I promised myself that if I want to do a really nice Lysander (and I do!) it won't be this one,  which will be purely for KS.

I can report that it's actually quite a tricky wee build,  not helped by the inaccurate formers which I had to treat more as a guide than the definitive article - this kit may be the actual KeilKraft kit of ill repute that put so many people off the hobby back in the day!

In any case we got through that and it's straight and light.

More updates to follow
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2019, 02:13:31 PM »

A really great start ZK-AUD Grin Already I can see the Lysander in it's shape. I've always liked the Lysander but the complexity of the build has put me off. Press on with the good work and keep the pics coming. You definitely have my attention!

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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2019, 02:45:02 PM »

Looking sweet so far Mike.

Funny thing is that the two models that always take me right back to my childhood are the Stuka and the Lysander.  Nothing else ever  triggers that deep childhood feeling, for me at least... just the Stuka and the Lysander... Huh  Shocked  Smiley

I suppose though, of all the aircraft of the era, they are each outlandishly individual in appearance, as well as each having being extremely successful in their very different specialised roles.

Look forward to seeing this Lysander come together!
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2019, 02:57:05 PM »

I built one of these in the early 1970s! It was covered in black lightweight modelspan, and I did get it to fly, after a fashion - it was really difficult to get a reasonable amount of downthrust with that ridiculous plastic cowling, which looked suspiciously like half a plastic wheel. Mind you, it used the ridiculous 5" keil Kraft plastic prop, so its potential was limited.

Looking forward to seeing how the build progresses.

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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2019, 03:57:51 PM »

Yes I'll make sure the half wheel, coat buttons and paint stirrer all get lost before I approach those parts of the model Grin
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2019, 06:11:33 AM »

I never realised until I stood next to one just what huge aeroplane it is.  There must be many of us who share your fancy to build one of the old KK designs again and properly, with a decent prop and rudder etc.

It is looking very nice so stand a good chance of flying OK. 

I must admit I have been tempted for as long as I can remember by the Howard Boys one.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2019, 11:22:49 AM »

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I must admit I have been tempted for as long as I can remember by the Howard Boys one.

So have I. Still have the plan somewhere, bought in about, um, 1975.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2019, 01:36:32 PM »

Yes, I had another look on Outerzone earlier.  If I did build it Imcould not bear to cover it  - but would show off with it.  Mike did you not star one the Boys job!  Is this one a rehearsal?
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2019, 03:36:17 PM »

I have the Boys plan and that is the 'nice' Lysander I refer to,  but with some particularly cunning enhancements I have in mind.  I put that project on hold to do the Borel but will resurrect it i due course
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2019, 04:44:19 PM »

You mean you are going to depart from his pan?Huh That is cheating and you are a rogue Sir!!
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2019, 01:55:39 AM »

ZK-AUD .. found this on a paper airplane modeller's website. May provide a measure of incentive. You'll notice this is of the Purina Company. Can't wait to see your next bit of progress!

https://papermodels.pl/showthread.php?tid=8047

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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2019, 10:39:52 AM »

I marvel  how the Poles can use paper and do compound curves.  Looks like a plastic kit, well executed.
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2019, 10:54:24 AM »

Wow! I’d say it’s even better than most plastic efforts- and I love the way the real Lizzie photos segue seamlessly into the model pics. But for the backgrounds you’d hardly spot the change.
No idea how they do it. I tried a paper model once, from Fiddler’s Green. It looked like a child of four had made it from a toilet roll by the time I’d finished.
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2019, 01:11:07 PM »

Thanks Rhys.  I console myself that it's not a flying model and he wasn't concerned about weight.  Otherwise I might just pick up my  ball and go home!!  My one is for kit scale which means it will be a very  plain Jane effort.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it!!!
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2019, 06:14:31 AM »

Plane Jane maybe Mike but for me seeing one of these kit models fly reasonably is the real joy.  You see the memories of the failures one had as a kid are still vivid.  Yes we are at a disadvantage with rubbish timber poor quality rubber crude props and overweight accessories but also most of us were just not patient and competent enough either in the build.  Not long ago I was watching the Me (!) 109 execute a perfect RoG and a few stable circuits and a good landing - so good to see. 

So I look forward too at seeing your Lysander (with the advantage of being high wing Wink Cool) perform well.  Take it you will not be including the "ladder" the Jo's used to board?
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2019, 12:07:10 PM »

Proof of progress.  It's been quite a while since I applied wet Esaki to light airframes, (These days I normally use a lighter tissue which I apply dry, and spray my colour on), but in this case for Kit Scale I'm restricted to coloured tissue and having scalloped the formers to avoid the starved horse look I really needed to cover as much in one go as I could.  In the end the fuselage covered in 2 pieces,  using glue stick on the upper and lower keels and keeping the tissue moist but not sopping with a fine spray from my my airbrush.  Nothing fancy with this one - it's a real quick build in the spirit of Kit Scale.  Interestingly I found a good picture of a  Lysander instrument panel online and printed it off at the correct size.  Guess what?  It fitted perfectly onto the original KeilKraft instrument panel former without any adjustment!  I haven't checked the outlines for scale as it doesn't matter in this case but at a quick glance I don't think they were too far out.
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2019, 12:47:58 PM »

Very nice Mike.
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2019, 12:55:16 PM »

Nice, Mike. This double-size version went well at Oxford:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCHYcGV-67E
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2019, 03:00:13 PM »

I always liked this wacky looking thing...I wanted to build one but I figured it would be a trimming fiasco so I didn't. Great video and fine background as this lizzie comes in on final!
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2019, 04:00:17 PM »

Mike, which bits didn't fit and what did you have to do?
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2019, 04:21:37 PM »

I found that the 4 large formers (3-6) encompassing the cockpit area were not symmetrical as printed - even allowing for the fact that a couple of them cross over and interlock.  If I was doing it again I would plot (loft?) all of the formers properly.

I couldn't say whether the notches are in the right place because my practice is to lay the stringers in situ and notch them after the formers are glued in - hence the nice straight lines.

You might have noticed that I departed from the design very slightly by blocking in the tailcone  and wing tips using the world's deadest lightest balsa - so much better than trying to champher and fair all those stringers in at the very back.
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2019, 04:28:39 PM »

I never realised until I stood next to one just what huge aeroplane it is. 

I had the same response when standing beside the Shuttleworth Collection one-a very big aircraft for a single engine....you realise when you find the wheel spats level with your waist....mind you the same applies to the Stuka-the Alpine fighter museum in Wanaka had the wreckage of one (pulled out of thawed tundra in Russia) on display here in the mid 90s-laid out with the various parts in their correct locations-you realised then that this too was a big aircraft when you walked around it. Sadly-after initially announcing they were going to restore it (whether to exhibition or flying condition I don't recall now 25 years on) they had a change of heart and sold it off.  I did see on Youtube the other day that there IS a restoration/rebuild of one going on-and it will be to flying condition.....now that will be spectacular when it takes to the air...

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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2019, 05:42:57 PM »

Very nice - quite inspirational, actually.

Are you sticking with the sheet tail surfaces?

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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2019, 06:42:32 PM »

Yes I am.  Left to my own devices I would substitute built-up tail feathers that would be fatal under our KS rules!  I do however have some very light wood and an efficient sanding block.
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2019, 07:22:15 PM »

Mike,
       Be careful that you do not sand the tail too thin! The KS rules do allow wood substitution but not a change in wood thickness without penalty. As Andy Sefton says read the rules. My Stinson takes a hit for a built up fin.
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