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« Reply #200 on: October 05, 2016, 10:05:26 PM »

Oh yes...I remember seeing it in FMD&C awhile back and I have that mag...E. Fillon and Rene Jossein were 2 of the great French designers and builders of 8 oz. Wakes...did you know that E. Fillon has the only miniature Wakefield Cup he won in '37?
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« Reply #201 on: October 05, 2016, 10:09:02 PM »

Yes, really nice, really interesting looking wakefield, would be nice to see a build of this! While we're at it, looking at that really nice page of old wakefields, there were two others that caught my eye that maybe someone has some knowledge about. One was the '1959 Surpriz. Designed by Rene Jossien', nice looking low wing design. The other was the '1929 Wakefield. Designed by R. N. Bullock', another nice looking low-wing design. They don't pop up in any quick searches.
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« Reply #202 on: October 06, 2016, 09:49:11 AM »

Yep...that '29 wake by Bullock really goes back to the hardwood and oiled silk era and tons of rubber...Pelly-Fry also had a real sweet looking low winger as well and was a excellent flyer...I've always wanted to build an old rubber job with traditional materials and I've laid in a stock of spruce sticks to do it and some old silk. The only thing stopping me is a good twin rubber gear box or I guess I could cobble one up. Or, here's a thought, just build it out of balsa and tissue and go with a single motor?...Something more to add to the growing list of winter (next week) projects...but the idea of building a traditional Wakefield model from the 20's is neat because I'd really like to see what that was all about and see one in the air and go through the building process- actually nailing things together...WOW
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« Reply #203 on: September 08, 2017, 01:51:28 AM »

Hi All,
I am hunting for the plans for Evans' Vansteed and Clipper wakefields. hope some one can help.

thanks in advance.

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« Reply #204 on: September 08, 2017, 07:44:23 AM »

I'm drawing up the Yankee IV.  Have the drawing to prototype-build state, Now I need to layout the parts and laser-cut them.

24" span, 56 sq. in., 18.5" fuselage length.

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« Reply #205 on: September 11, 2017, 10:28:06 AM »

I'm pretty sure the Yankee lV is not legal for FAC 1/2 Wake as it was post-1950 unless someone knows he flew it in 1950...Tangney's Wakefield is a killer design
and slender for it's day and Josh Finn flies my drawing of it and reports it flies good...full size, it should go like stink...try SAM 35 mag or Aeromodeller for the others
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« Reply #206 on: September 11, 2017, 12:28:16 PM »

Hi Dave,

I understand that response regarding the publication date of January 1951 M.A.N. and the FAC Rules cutoff is 31 Dec 1950, however I would like to challenge that as here is a clip from the text of the article:

http://volareproducts.com/files/YankeeIVdoc.jpg

Note that he lists several contest where the model performed and won - which must have been prior to 31 Dec 1950.

Thoughts?

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« Reply #207 on: September 11, 2017, 04:31:04 PM »

If publication date was January 1951 then it was likely on the bookstands in December '50;  in any case it would have been prepared for publication before that date
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« Reply #208 on: September 11, 2017, 06:42:22 PM »

I think  you're right but until I see the numbers "1950" I ain't buying it...you and I both know what "assume" means...this model is very good and pleasing to the eye
and has a great modern track record both here and abroad in the contests lists...it would be interesting if someone could verify a newstand release date as Jim suggests...
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« Reply #209 on: September 12, 2017, 10:45:40 AM »

Is the 1/2 size Tangney plan available?
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« Reply #210 on: September 12, 2017, 02:05:32 PM »


Thinking you may need to lawyer up, George. 

My own web searches support your assertion that the Yankee IV was definitely designed and competing in 1950, but the verbage in the current FAC Rulebook focuses on publication dates rather than contest participation: 

V-6.0 1/2 WAKEFIELD

Event open to any 4oz or 8oz Wakefield published from 1934 through Dec. 31, 1950.


That said, if you get FACGHQ to sign off (and maybe even if they don't), I'll be ordering your kit.

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« Reply #211 on: September 12, 2017, 02:17:43 PM »

A classic example of FAC/SAM/Nostalgia FAI-like rule lawyering Grin

Scot, is there any FAC contest flying in Oregon or Washington?
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« Reply #212 on: September 12, 2017, 04:17:31 PM »


Hi Derek,

I'm guessing the Yankee IV will still be a threat to fly away, no matter what the courts decide. :-)

Despite my best intentions to kick start some FAC flying here in the greater Portland area, kids and a home remodeling projects have eaten up yet another flying season.  The SAM 8 group up in Seattle still meets and flies regularly, and the FAC Eagle Squadron used to piggyback some FAC events on to their meets when we had a quorum.  The Willamette Modelers Club also runs a regular series of meets, though the emphasis is on AMA, FAI, and SAM.

Any flying happening out your way?

Scot
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« Reply #213 on: September 12, 2017, 04:59:09 PM »

I will definitely plead my case to the rules committee (?)

Scot, you are (obviously) correct in the terminology, however, those particular 1/2 Wake rules are inconsistent with the terminology for the other OT events ("...designed, kitted, or plan published before January 1..."), so there is hope!

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« Reply #214 on: September 12, 2017, 05:34:35 PM »

Hi George,

I'd start with a note to Dave Mitchell.  He chimes in occasionally here on HPA and, aside from an occasional obsession with model aviation, seems an eminently reasonable sort :-).

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« Reply #215 on: September 12, 2017, 05:57:39 PM »


Hi Derek,

 The Willamette Modelers Club also runs a regular series of meets, though the emphasis is on AMA, FAI, and SAM.

Any flying happening out your way?

Scot

There is only one other Free flight guy in the Tri-Cities that i know of. No Free Flight activity to speak of. I attend many of the WMC contests.  Do you think there would be any interest if I could convince the WMC to add FAC events to their contests? They do a lo-doc rubber scale event right now. They might be interested if we had several flyers willing to show up?
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« Reply #216 on: September 12, 2017, 10:06:34 PM »

Derek I would be very interested in FAC personally and might be able to convince another Calgarian to attend.

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« Reply #217 on: September 12, 2017, 11:39:13 PM »

Derek I would be very interested in FAC personally and might be able to convince another Calgarian to attend.

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Cool. I started another thread so that we don't cause anymore thread drift here.  Head on over and join the discussion.

http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=22463.0
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« Reply #218 on: September 13, 2017, 09:53:27 AM »

The "49'er" is another nice design along the same lines as the Yankee IV and is from OZ...I think the designer is Col Williamson...and yes the 1/2 size Wake rules could be written much better but, at this stage, I'm hesitant to give any advice because the FAC is not my cup of tea and I'd rather fly larger stuff...I still feel the cut-off dated of 12/31/50 is still valid but I'd drop the addition of 4 oz. era models...once again, the 30's and 40's are NOT my Golden Age...sorry about this soap box stuff.
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