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Title: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: robert mathison on January 15, 2009, 08:05:10 AM
HI All C/L Fliers,

I have been playing with control line Plane's and Engines for the last 56 Years, the best Engine's I have used for this type flying is .049/.061/ BIG MIG, .19 VECO,.29/.35 FOX,.40/.46 LA'S.

I know there will be a great number of people who will give us there list, I have looked at this topic for some time and know there is a very big group of C/L people out there so tell us your ENGINES.

Bob


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: slipstick on January 15, 2009, 10:12:31 AM
Anything diesel. Oliver Tiger, E.D. Racer, Rivers Silver Streak, PAW .09/.15/.19 even DC Spitfire/Sabre etc.

I don't like glow engines in C/L models...but maybe that's just me ;).

Steve


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Sundance12 on January 15, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
I just got a OS .25 FS that is a ball bering engine and I want to convert it to control line use, I want to run it with a high rpm and a fine pitch prop, anyone got any experience with a setup like that?

Cheers

Sundance12



Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Sundance12 on January 15, 2009, 12:49:46 PM
Hi slipstick, I had a webra .09 to use at one time but fuel here in canada for diesel was not available and being so young, we just abandoned that type of motor in favor of the glow stuff. I know that your experience is different there and perhaps we have alot to learn with diesels.

Anyway, just some perspective.

Sundance12


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: faif2d on January 15, 2009, 04:42:12 PM
I did an old timer Scared Kitten for Tucson once and used an old F2D motor with a rev-up 8-3. It turned around 22K and did just fine. I thought I would show the stunt guys what a real high RPM low pitch setup was. There was very little speed difference whether I was going straight up or straight down. I should also say that there was no muffler just a 3" piece of silicon tubing to get the exhaust out of the engine compartment. It was fun! ;D


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: monolineman on January 15, 2009, 09:11:39 PM
the p/a line is a perty good choice good stunt motors. the os .46 is also very nice. for sport flying i use cox's ,norvel's ,os , cs , super tiger, k/b , enya's , and fox's for competition i use zit .049, g/z .049 , profi 15, rossi .21 , nelson .29 , mcgee .65 , bailey jet and raven jet. i mostly sport fly but i do go to a few speed contest every year.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: LeagueCityRalph on January 15, 2009, 09:40:14 PM
Hooieee! .000 - .061 = P.A.W. .5cc, Wasp, Babe Bee, Golden Bee, TD, Holland Hornet, Webra Piccolo, P.A.W., NorVel, Brodak

.09 - .12 = OS Pet, Webra Record, MVVS 1.5cc, 2cc diesels, P.A.W. 1.5cc

.15 = Fox .15, Cox Sportsman, Cox Olympic, Cox Mark I, ST G20 and G15, ST G20 diesels, ETA diesel, NorVel, MVVS diesels

.20 - .35 = Frog 3.5cc diesel, P.A.W. .29 and .35, Fox .35, K&B .35, ST .35 (a bunch), Saito .30, Brodak .25, OS LA.25, OS FP

.40+ = Brodak, Saito .40, Fox .59, ST G65, K&B .40, OS LA.40, OS .40FP, P.A.W. .59 and .60

Dynajet


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: NRoshier on January 16, 2009, 05:04:04 AM
Current collection:
Diesel - Rivers 2.5, AM 1.5, 2.5, 3.5. ED baby, 1cc, mk2, Racer, Taipan 1.5, 2.5 DC .5cc, 1cc, 1.5cc, Webra 1.5cc, John .5cc, Cox Diesel conversion, silver swallow, MVVS 1.5, couple of Russian diesels and russian speed motors.
Glow - cox engine up to .15 (never got the .09 to run at all - dud!) OS engines .10, .15, .25, .21 speed - too scared to run it, .40P...likewise, AM 1.5cc, Enya .09, .06, G-mark .10, Fox .35 (loves nitro), McCoy .19, Frog 500, Taipan 1.5 and 2.5 plus a few others


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: applehoney on January 18, 2009, 01:21:05 PM
Glow - cox engine up to .15 (never got the .09 to run at all - dud!)

What's the problem with it? I've always considered the TD.09 to be the best unit in the range, have flown many in F/F over the years (still do) and found them easy to handle


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: greggles47 on January 19, 2009, 08:49:45 PM
OS, Magnum .15's love 'em

Taipan Gold head & Lightning flash- nice enough.

cox Medallion .09 Very nice. If you're having trouble with your send it to me - I'll give it a good home. ;)


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: NRoshier on January 22, 2009, 04:32:59 AM
The .09 was sold to me as a Tee Dee .09, in fact we had 4/5 of them. They were built up from parts in a model shop and the one we tried never ran worth a damn. I think I still have 2/3 unused and some spare heads...I will have a look as I'm cleaning up my fathers effects this weekend and the engine collection was really his. There are multiples of engines, such as the ED Mk2 which ran well. My father had a desire to build a range of KK Phantoms, so there are many variations on this theme unfinished in the workshop. He also did not finish a Minx speed model with the ED Mk2 in it. We were both better at enjoying the building and less so the flying. Building had us both together, sharing time and the occasional joke whilst listening to the umpteenth rerun of the goon show...good memories. I will be divesting myself of a large part of the collection in time as such things should be used I think.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Ployd on January 22, 2009, 07:05:26 AM
Got several Cox TD 09's including the one my late father used in open power, they love lots of nitro and if you ain't using it then they are dogs.

As for engines to use in C/L well got an OS 15 FP, OS15 LA, OS25FSR, several Saito 4 strokes Norvel 15 etc, etc and a Rothwell 2.5 diesel.

Ployd in humid OZ


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: NRoshier on January 25, 2009, 03:43:10 AM
used 15% nitro - was not good. OS 10FSR was much better.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Ployd on January 25, 2009, 07:26:03 AM
Double that amount and they start to come alive.

Ployd in OZ


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: NRoshier on January 26, 2009, 04:32:32 AM
fair enough. I might let them go then - I'd prefer to use cheaper fuel when I use fuel at all!
I made a discovery when cleaning out my fathers workshop. Vintage fuel and a large collection of hearns hobbies plans...are these things collectable?


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Ployd on January 26, 2009, 07:18:55 AM
Vintage fuel? how old? Provided it has been stored properly and well sealed then it may still be useable; if diesel fuel was it stored in all metal or glass containers? if not then dig a hole in the garden, pour the lot out and burn it.

As for plans, no they are not collectable but don't throw them out send them to me as I am always being asked if I have a so and so design and I have accumulated quite a few.

Ployd in OZ


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: NRoshier on January 27, 2009, 05:42:26 AM
I would be happy to swap them for some Esaki.
The fuel is at least 30 years old, diesel and glo in glass bottles. Diesel might be OK, no rust on the caps.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: 50+AirYears on January 31, 2009, 06:37:40 PM
Starting with the OK Cub .074 I bought in 1948, I have 2 or 3 of those .074s, 3 Cox .010s. 3 Tee Dee .020s, 4 or 5 Pee Wee .020s, a bunch of assorted Cox .049s, including Babe Bee, 190s, Golden Bee, Black Widows, Medallions, and Tee Dees, 3 or 4 Cub .049sa couple Cub .099s, a McCoy .098, several Cox TD and Medallion .09s, OS Pet ..099, OS .10, a couple Cox .051s, bunch of Fox baffle and Schnuerle .15s, a couple Fox .19s and .25s, one Fox .29S, a few McCoy .19s, .29s, and .35, only one .19 and 2 .35s being red heads, a K&B Green Head .15, couple Veco .35S, couple K&B Stallion .35s, 7 Fox .35S, a Forster .35, couple Fox needle bearing .36s (.35s?), OS .29 and FP .35, and 2 Fox .40s, one of them being a newer BB Schnuerle and the other an older long shaft CL .40. Also have a Cub .049 diesel and an Aurora 2.5 cc diesel. Can I count the old Fox .59 short shaft even though it has a Johnson Automix RC carb added? Wasn't my doing, I got it in a trade for a Johnson .36C. I only flew it in a Sterling Guardian with a J. Roberts 3-line system.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Sundance12 on February 03, 2009, 08:19:47 PM
And I thought I had alot of motors at a count of 22 of them... wow, right on, great collection.

Sundance12


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: 50+AirYears on February 04, 2009, 10:55:32 AM
And that's not counting my Jetex, CO2, compressed air and RC engines. Or electric motors. The fun of 61 years in MA.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: NRoshier on February 09, 2009, 04:35:41 AM
shall we have a 'guess the engine' game? Post the obscure ones?


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: 50+AirYears on February 09, 2009, 09:25:25 AM
And in my previous list, I find I forgot to mention the Anderson .49 I picked up from an estate. One old cookie tin of engines, had the Anderson, the Forster, and about 5 other smaller engines.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Duco Guru on February 09, 2009, 12:40:19 PM
Years ago, I had a Fox 35 that was set up for me by George Aldrich..It went away, without my knowledge, in one of my kids "garage sales." :'(

Guru


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: 50+AirYears on February 09, 2009, 04:24:22 PM
Just noticed that I forgot to mention that that tin of engines also had the Forster .35 glow, a Cub .099, a Fox .10 RC, a McCoy .098, a McCoy RH .19, and a Cub Diesel among others and some parts, and cost me a whole $20.00!


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: The Kiwi on March 14, 2009, 03:36:22 PM
I just got a OS .25 FS that is a ball bearing engine and I want to convert it to control line use, I want to run it with a high rpm and a fine pitch prop, anyone got any experience with a setup like that?

I've used two OS Max SF 25s, the one that was between the original 25F BB engine, and the more recent, and heavier, FX 25. I had mine on some 500 square inch Arrowplanes (foamies), and with APC 8-4s, and a quarter inch bore intake restrictor made from a nylon bushing, were right at 79 mph with no streamer, and 75 mph with the entire thing. I used silicon rubber tubing from George's van for bladders, and had to go to 550 squares, or to plain bearing 25 FPs for the 75 mph events.

I was very happy with the engines, although I used more of the older BB model, because I preferred their ABC innards to the SF's ABN.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Sundance12 on March 14, 2009, 03:57:59 PM
Thanks for the bit of info on the OS .25 SF Kiwi, I think that it will be just fine in my Genesis stunter if I keep th airplane light. Thanks for joining, glad to have your input into the control line section of this forum.

Cheers

Sundance12


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: The Kiwi on March 15, 2009, 06:21:03 PM
I did all of the FF-rubber I cared to before I was a teen, and all of the RC I cared to, after I stopped being a teen. While I was a teen, I did almost equal parts FF-gas and CL, but have never had that much interest in chasing a plane since. I like to have an attachment between it and myself, now. RC was just way too foreign to my sensibilities when I was a twenty-something, and in the years since, I've grown to find most of today's RC type modellers unlikeable compared to almost any & every kind of modeller there was when I was a teen..

Sorry if that brands me single-interested & inflexible, but I am close to the end of a sixth decade already, so yes, I'm "set in my ways".


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: packardpursuit on September 18, 2009, 10:56:40 AM
Kiwi,

Was perusing the odd corners of the website and found your last comment interesting.

I still like FF and CL scale and some towline, but found your feeling toward RCers similar to my own. I've flown RC back when I was flying the other types, as well. I've witnessed the regulation of "lesser disciplines" in overt favor of RC, with an almost disdain toward those that fly something other than with a TX. Since my interest has always been scale oriented, talking about scale like power and flight has always been viewed as something of a foreign language. I've come to view "typical RC thinking" as "if the manufacturer recommends a .40 a .60 MUST be better". I call it the "Hotroditus" syndrome. More power has always seemed an engine change away and is viewed as an easy cure-all.

But then I also remember when the FFer's called a ukie a "rock on a string" and Guillows (who else?) sold "RC balsa". I'm 60 in Dec.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: 50+AirYears on September 18, 2009, 10:10:28 PM
There are RCers who do look down on CL and FF, but I also know people from each of the other disciplines who look down on the RCers, and any other type of flying other than what they theselves do. Just like there are electric flyers who look down on those of us who prefer using glow engines for power. I even had a friend, recently deceased, who couldn't understand anybody who didn't use Airtronics radios. My RC club even has a couple members can't understand why many of us still prefer balsa to foam.
I am a member of an R/C club, a CL club, and 2 FF clubs. We have these types in all of them.  There are also several people in each club, who, like me, enjoy all types of building and flying. And even many of the RCers in my club enjoy watching a decent CL or FF flight at the RC field.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Olbill on September 19, 2009, 11:56:59 AM
A few years ago my oldest son presented me with an engine he found in an old box of stuff from my teen years. It's a Fox Rocket 35 that has a 29X liner and piston. I had used in a B speed model that never did very well. He also gave me a Fox 35 stunt and a Ringmaster that he and I built and flew about 30 years ago. Both are stuck but probably could be salvaged if the mood ever strikes me.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Ivanhoe on December 28, 2009, 07:17:51 PM
I used to fly combat mostly back in the 50's and 60's, the ONLY engine anyone would tolerate in a combat model was the Oliver Tiger, I had three, and seeing the ludicrous prices they fetch on eBay now, I wish I still had them!

If you couldn't afford Olivers you went for the PAW 2.49, which used to be known as "The poor man's Oliver" in those days.

Wilf


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: slipstick on December 29, 2009, 04:52:57 AM
If you couldn't afford Olivers you went for the PAW 2.49, which used to be known as "The poor man's Oliver" in those days.

But if you lived close enough to Macclesfield and could extract one of Gig's good ones from your friends at PAW they were flaming good (though no longer quite as cheap ;)).

Though I'm still tempted to get one of the brand new Olivers now production has restarted ;).

Steve


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: evo961200 on February 11, 2010, 08:19:57 PM
Lots of engines. Mcoy .35 RH, Lots of fox .35 engines, a couple of OS LA 40s, a really nice enya .09. They all run good. Can never have too many engines. Just wish I had the time to use all of them.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: 50+AirYears on February 11, 2010, 11:22:00 PM
My wife would STRONGLY disagree with you on that point. And she doesn't even fully realize I have 141 glow, diesel, and CO2 engines, and I'm not sure how many Jetex 50, 100, and 150s I have. Nor the electrics or hanks of rubber. She just thinks I have too many. Amazing what one can accumulate in 62 years.

I do agree that I wish I had more time to use them. Since being right sized last may, and gone into formal retirement this month, somehow I seem to have less time for modeling than when I was working 10-12 hour days, traveling on business, going to classes and seminars, and raising a son.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: blklion on March 16, 2010, 09:44:43 AM
I had lots of engines way back when (Fox's, McCoys, Johnsons, K&B's, Herkimers, Cox's, OS's and Wen Macs) but the one engine I miss....ummm did I say "Wen Mac"? ::shudder::

Anyway... the one I miss most is my Cameron .15. I don't know why but it was the most reliable of all of them. It always started, always ran the same and hardly ever had to touch the NV to fine tune it. Just fuel it up, flip it and away she'd go like magic or somethin'. Not real powerful and not real fast but just plain reliable and a steady performer for just plain flying.Had it on a Junior Nobler and it worked out just fine. Worked well on a Flying Clown, too. Nice steady-eddie pull, no burps...

I still have lots of engines but no Cameron... :'(


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: 50+AirYears on March 17, 2010, 02:26:11 PM
Biklion, sounds like your experience with Wen-Mac is the same as mine. I also know a number of people who had them, and felt the same. Then, I read about people using them, and even winning, in things like Nostalgia 1/2A Free Flight.

I have one Wen Mac somebody gave to me. I might build something for it in the future. Right now, I have much more interest in building my Goldberg 1/2A Blazer FF for my Fox .049.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: blklion on March 18, 2010, 04:52:00 PM
The only Wen-Mac's I had experience with are the .049's with that recoil starter. They just seemed to wear out faster than anything I've ever known.

I didn't mention the Anderson Royal Spitfire .065 that I still have. It's brand new, in the box with mount and several original props. I never used it...it's still new in the box to this day.

Back "in the day" my buddies and I built some mini-bipes intended for flying combat using Cox .010's. WS on those was only about 8-10" but we ran into a problem and had to "upgrade" to .020's. The problem was that the .010's wouldn't cut the crepe but, instead, it would wrap around the engine, kill it and we'd wind up with one plane towing the other...into the ground.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Garf on January 28, 2011, 12:22:31 PM
I have over 80 engines. My favorite was the small shaft Johnson 35. I have K&B Greenheads, Fox 35's, ST G21 46, ST G21 35, Brodak 40, and OS LA 40/46. I also have a handful of Fox 15's, although I never use them.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: 50+AirYears on January 28, 2011, 07:15:57 PM
At latest count, I have 1 4S, a Saito .52, 2 Diesels, an Aurora 2.49 CC and an old OK Cub .075, 66 Throttled engines from .049 to .78, and 100 non-throttled engines ranging from .010 to .61. Also about 5 CO2 motors. One of the engines, an OK Cub .099, is the first engine I ever bought, sometime around 1949 or 50. Still runs, still bites careless fingers.

I've been doing this a while. Some I bought new, some low priced from garage sales, swap shops, or estate sales, and some were just given to me.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: gcb on April 04, 2011, 12:25:09 AM
...Anyway... the one I miss most is my Cameron .15. I don't know why but it was the most reliable of all of them. It always started, always ran the same and hardly ever had to touch the NV to fine tune it. Just fuel it up, flip it and away she'd go like magic or somethin'. Not real powerful and not real fast but just plain reliable and a steady performer for just plain flying.Had it on a Junior Nobler and it worked out just fine. Worked well on a Flying Clown, too. Nice steady-eddie pull, no burps...
I still have lots of engines but no Cameron... :'(

I once had a Cameron .15 that someone gave me. It was well worn and had very little compression. It didn't run well so I passed it on.
Wish I still had it. I was new to glow engines and I did not know how to use different plugs and fuel mixes to maximize power.

George


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Pit on April 04, 2011, 06:00:38 AM
Wen-Mac?!? They ran??? I wore out the 5 (.049's) my Dad bought - before he wised up - just trying to get them to do more than burp >:(. Atwoods ran fine, before I was introduced to Cox,

For serious stunt tho, I stuck with Fox .35's and .36X plus a few torp .29 Greenheads and a lone Dooling that was given to me by a guy who had to leave the active scene (advanced age - I think he was around 75+).

Sadly, all of my CL engines, with the exception of a few Cox, are gone.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: bertcarr on July 20, 2011, 07:46:44 AM
Has anybody ever seen a engine made by Arden? If I remember correctly it looked like the later Cox engines in that the exhaust went all round the cylinder.
I always thought that Arden was responsible for making the first glo plugs.

Bert


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Pit on July 20, 2011, 08:47:47 AM
Bert,
 just google "Arden model motors".  There is a lot of info about Ray Arden and his toys.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: bigrip74 on August 21, 2011, 09:06:30 PM
From my personal experiance the engines for

Sport:
1/2A Cox Baby Bee .049
.15 Fox
.35 Fox

Racing:
.15 K&B
.29 Supertiger
.40 K&B R/R

Combat:
.15 K&B
.35 Supertiger
.36 Fox

Pattern:
.35 Fox
.40 K&B
.45 K&B

Bear in mind these are from the late 1960's and early 1970's and before mufflers.

Bob


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: bertcarr on August 22, 2011, 12:10:32 PM
I do not think that it makes any difference what type of model one flies, what counts is that we all enjoy the pride that a successful model gives us "Look at that I built it- ain't that something". How we are connected to the plane is unimportant the human connection is always there.
In the years gone bye I have flown many types of models and just lately I have been flying CLG's. Yes I have to fetch it every flight and sometimes it will fly away but the enjoyment is as good as flying a RC or a control line stunt plane.
So I say do not ever think that our chosen mode of flight or power makes any difference to our collective enjoyment of flying the models that we might have built or bought.
The engines that I liked most were my McCoy 29,60 and a Arden 19. The mac's where spark plug engines that I ran using glo plugs. The 60 needed the spray bar hole to be enlarged to accommodate the increased fuel flow.
How the years go bye, Thanks to models for the memories.

Bert


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Greg Langelius on August 22, 2011, 01:49:43 PM
For 1/4A and 1/2A replica engines, SAM legal, my Brother has been producing these for years, and this is his current pair of offerings.

http://www.palmodelproducts.com/engines.html

Greg


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Renato on August 22, 2011, 05:45:19 PM
I used a lot different engines, more or less good for the particular task : what I remember best is the supertigre G20D , wich I used to learn stunt basics and never let me down...as a teenager no money so I never used more than ether,castor and kerosene ( 25%,25%,50%).
I also remember the little webra 1,7 sport glow, a baffle engine with a Fox 35 behaviour.
The FOX 35 of course, more than G21/46 and ST60 : the only stunt engine with a "brain" ...
Now I'm about to use a Discovery retro 60 on the new ship, let see what will happen.. ;)


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Viking61 on December 23, 2011, 11:03:22 AM
A previous poster mentioned obscure engines.  I have two Dynamic Models Johnson Stunts (.33) that I still use.  Both runs great and are some of the easiest starting engines I've ever used.  Besides those I have a multitude of engines ranging from Cox 0.10s, Holland Hornets, Enyas, Foxes, K&Bs Super Tigres and McCoys.  I don't consider myself a collector as I will use any engine that I own, buts it's hard to pass up an engine that needs a home, whether it runs or not.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Greg Langelius on December 23, 2011, 12:12:23 PM
Just uncovered another old box, 'lo and behold, a near-new McCoy .35; all free and ungummed. Somebody does like me after all, and it's even Christmastide besides. In the same box were two Veco C/L stunt tanks.

I believe it's time to step back into those shoes I was wearing way back when in the 1970's, and I was intending to advance the field of C/L fun/stunt flying design.

Greg


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: old4570 on February 03, 2012, 02:23:39 AM
Sweet Lord ..  Too large a list ...

 Cox - Fox - Rossi - Super Tigre - Oliver - Nelson - HGK - Enya - Os - Fuji - Webra - Silver Swallow - CS - Zom - Kosmic - ED - AM - DC - Frog - Mills - And a whole bunch I cant remember .. Taifun - Elfin - DB - PAW - Eta - Jena - Taipan - Sabre -   oh dear ! 


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Daithi on February 03, 2012, 03:47:04 AM
Regarding the Olivers - feast your eyes on this bit of news

http://modelenginenews.org/ed.2009.02.html#t7

And John is the consulting director


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: slipstick on February 03, 2012, 04:45:06 AM
That was a couple of years ago but I believe they're still available, even the 2.5cc Mk V, and the prices haven't gone up all that much (apart from the Mk V which is now £300). But the last time I looked there was about a 4-5 month waiting list ;).

There's a long thread about the new Olivers on the Barton site http://controlline.org.uk/phpBB2/index.php Look under Engine Talk.

Steve


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: hangar22 on March 07, 2012, 11:09:55 PM
Hi Guys, this is my first time ever on a forum so forgive any mistakes please.
I have recently returned to modelling after a 40 odd year break, have a couple of fox35's these are dependable, very difficult to prevent them from starting, also have a silverfoxx 40 that produces a good power but I can only get it to run in a profile model? have OS 10,25,35,and acouple of la46's all very reliable engines. I try to fly stunt but am in no way a competitor just love to build the good looking models and tool around the manouvers with them. currently don't belong to any club here in Aus. just the national body. it is great to look over all your opinions/knowledge etc and hope to be able to log in from time to time.
cheers Graham


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: greggles47 on March 10, 2012, 05:48:12 AM
Hi Guys, this is my first time ever on a forum so forgive any mistakes please.
I have recently returned to modelling after a 40 odd year break, have a couple of fox35's these are dependable, very difficult to prevent them from starting, also have a silverfoxx 40 that produces a good power but I can only get it to run in a profile model? have OS 10,25,35,and acouple of la46's all very reliable engines. I try to fly stunt but am in no way a competitor just love to build the good looking models and tool around the manouvers with them. currently don't belong to any club here in Aus. just the national body. it is great to look over all your opinions/knowledge etc and hope to be able to log in from time to time.
cheers Graham

Graham,

Great to see another Ozzie retread getting back on the handle. Welcome back into the circle.

There are a number of good clubs around where CL is spoken fluently, and you can hang with mates about your own vintage.

Where abouts are you?

Regards

G


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: hangar22 on March 30, 2012, 04:32:29 AM
hi G.
 I am in Lismore NSW and sorry to have deceived you but I am a Kiwi, and only moved to Aus in june 2008. there are a couple of guys here that have controlliners but only as an interlude to the Radio stuff. still good to be around people that like the roundy round.where are you based?
 cheers Graham


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: greggles47 on March 31, 2012, 06:44:14 AM
G'day Graham,

Sorry to call you an Aussie mate, just assumed that since you were here, you were one of us. Still Kiwis are just about close enough.

Good to see your club has a bunch of CL types where you can fly the only way where there is a physical connection to the model.

I'm in western Sydney - flying with Doonside club at Whalan Reserve on Saturday mornings. Perfect day today BTW.

Regards


Greg


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Daithi on March 31, 2012, 07:07:41 AM
Bet you don't say that at Bledisloe Cup time  ::) ;D :D


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: greggles47 on March 31, 2012, 06:48:41 PM
Bet you don't say that at Bledisloe Cup time  ::) ;D :D

Daithi,

Good Call!

I'm a Rugby League man myself, and we have the ANZAC test coming up at the end of the month, so same story.....

When brothers become the best of enemies. ;D ;D

Greg


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: gossie on March 31, 2012, 09:15:14 PM
hi G.
 I am in Lismore NSW and sorry to have deceived you but I am a Kiwi, and only moved to Aus in june 2008. there are a couple of guys here that have controlliners but only as an interlude to the Radio stuff. still good to be around people that like the roundy round.where are you based?
 cheers Graham

Welcome Graham,

You may be interested to know there is a mainly CL event near Coffs Harbour 23rd and 24th June this year.   It's a fly for fun thing on mown grass with three circles.  There's also a field next door for simple type RC models and a spot of Freeflight.   Was the first year it was held last year and a lot of us flew the three types.  And the weather was sensational.......warm and calm.  Same this year???  Who knows???  You can't control the weather I'm afraid.

Your 1/2 way there being at Lismore......It takes us an easy 4 hour drive from the Gold Coast.

Most of us roll in on Friday, when after 3pm you can have a fly, as the school kids have gone home on 2 weeks holiday at that time of year.

My Wife and are are going down on the Thursday for a week and have booked a cottage called Yokoso for that time.   Many motel it, as we did last year, others stay in the Sawtell cabins on the beach and a few bring their caravans.

It's a great weekend with a dinner at the golf club on the Saturday night and a BBQ breakfast on the Sunday morning that it seems I'm helping with.  Hope I don't burn the snags.
 The Sawtell township is an absolute joy, with great coffee, breakfast, lunch and dinner spots to enjoy also.

The local Coffs guys are arranging most things, and for more details take a look at the Barton CL site.   You would be made very welcome I'm sure.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: hangar22 on April 08, 2012, 03:20:50 AM
Hi Gossie, thanks for that, I may well turn up, as you say it isn't too far and
her indoors will be in the U.S. around then. I even have a couple of models to fly. Thanks and keep a look out Graham


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: gcb on August 12, 2012, 02:47:43 PM
Has anybody ever seen a engine made by Arden? If I remember correctly it looked like the later Cox engines in that the exhaust went all round the cylinder.
I always thought that Arden was responsible for making the first glo plugs.

Bert
Bert, I did not see an answer to your question so here goes...

Apologies if some of this is not accurate...most of it is from reading and listening.
 
I believe Arden first made a .19 that was spark ignition. It was "sorta like" another engine called the ATOM.

Ray Arden DID invent the glow plug. I saw some that had replaceable elements. I would guess that those were quickly replaced with one piece ones because of the fragile nature of the platinum elements.

When Ray Arden switched to glow, I think he produced both an .09 and .19. From what I understand, the crankcases were made from a Magnesium alloy that crumbled over the years, unless you knew how to take care of them. I have no idea how many remain.

George


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: gcb on August 17, 2012, 09:04:10 PM
Found some original Arden engines available at   woodysengines.com   

George


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Garf on April 24, 2013, 02:56:06 PM
shall we have a 'guess the engine' game? Post the obscure ones?
You've got the right person for this one. I'll start with a common one.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Garf on May 06, 2013, 12:06:51 AM
No takers? This is a common engine.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Garf on May 15, 2013, 11:58:12 PM
If no one can guess this one, it's useless.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: gcb on May 19, 2013, 12:25:37 PM
Phil,

Although I have heard of the Madewell many times, I don't think I have ever seen one before. Nice pics.

George


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: martin_solo on June 20, 2013, 04:35:00 PM

Here are some videos I made to register the performance of not so Popular Stunt Engines.

http://www.youtube.com/user/martinSOLO/videos

Martin


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: NZ_Dan on March 27, 2014, 08:48:52 PM
I have just returned to control line flying after a 10 years break. Got plenty of engines to play with, ME Heron 1cc diesel,  Mills .75, MK-17 diesel, PAW 1.5 TBR (nib), PAW 2.5, 3x OS Pet .09, OS .10 FSR, 3x OS .20FP, OS .25FP, OS .25LA, OS .46LA, OS .29, OS .40FP-S (nib), Taipan 3.5, Aviastar .46. Not to mention a box of about 12 cox motors. Probably have more hiding but those are the main ones. Have a few RC engines too but they don't get used much.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: greggles47 on March 28, 2014, 04:37:01 AM
Dan,

Welcome back into the circle. You've plenty of choice to power your models, but don't rule out the RC engines, plenty of them can be converted with a very simple venturi, or even just wiring the throttle open.

Greg


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: maxxdad88 on March 28, 2014, 05:03:43 AM
Hello. Iam building the Guillows giant scale stuka. Can you recommend a site that can guide me in choosing the correct engine/electronics. Thanks much


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: Garf on September 10, 2014, 09:42:29 PM
I just hit the R/C flea market and picked up an OS LA 46 R/C like new, plus a K&B Greenhead 45 in good condition for $40. The dealer threw in a Royal Spitfire .065 with a broken shaft.


Title: Re: Engines for Control Line Flying
Post by: spoonfork on September 23, 2014, 09:30:37 AM
I have a fleet of Davies Charlton engines
Wasp
Dart
Merlin
Sabre
Spitfire