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Title: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: Scottl0413 on June 04, 2013, 08:50:00 AM
You nostalgia buffs, can you let me know what size wheel is required on the Ramrod 600? I built mine per the Berkley plans and they state either a wheel or skid. But I've since learned that to be Nos. legal I need to put a wheel on it!!!

Thanks, Scott


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: Randy Reynolds on June 04, 2013, 10:11:16 AM
Scott, my 432 details a 2" wheel and i suspect the 600 wouldn't require more than that.  I do have a 600 plan somewhere and in case someone doesn't already know I'll look it up tonight.

Randy


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: Pit on June 04, 2013, 11:29:50 AM
I'm pretty sure it was a 2" wheel that was mentioned.  I used the skid on mine back in '58, 'cause I didn't happen to have a wheel of ANY size handy, and we flew from a field with a lot of mesquite and oversized gravel :o ;D.

I have a low res. Jpeg of the plan, that does NOT even show a wheel, so it might have been only a suggested addition (DANG RULES!)


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: Pit on June 11, 2013, 08:07:02 AM
The 600 plan (and the 250) is in the gallery (Model Companies) and there is NO mention as to wheel size - just that there is the choice of skid or wheel!

Pete


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: flydean1 on June 11, 2013, 08:38:23 AM
That was a bone of contention for the One Design competition when the Ramrod was the designated model.  That whole wheel size thing is ridiculous.  It is a relic of the Old Timer rules from which Nostalgia Gas sprung.  Next NFFS rules cycle I am going to propose getting rid of it.  During the "Nostalgia" period, many, many modelers opted for skids, or nothing at all.  When VTO became practical from the early Ramrods on, wheels became superflous.  Why get rid of it???  It becomes a rudder which is deflected differently after nearly every DT landing.  I have had two crashes due to the wheel being bent to a different angle after a DT landing.


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: sweepettelee on June 11, 2013, 04:05:55 PM
As some may recall, Ron kindly made me the very first drawings for Ramrods in 1955.
That original 750 Ramrod drwg should be searchable in NFFS Digest. HPA rules don't let me post it herein.  :'(
I can verify he SHOWED wheels on the 750, 600, 432 & 250 plans.
As I recall and scale the plan, it was about 2.25dia on 750. The 250 plan size is 1" dia.

I never had a crash that I recall, as all my Ramrods were either lost or died of old age.

I also have a plan for 400 Ramrod for Torp .09,  which does not show either wheel nor skid wire. 
I made Ramrod 375 as test bed for various small engines, but don't recall what I did...probably wheel, IMO.
Johnny Brodbeck gave me an early Torp .09 to try on it.  Lots of power! Too much for my lightly built 375. 
It was lost at 1957 Willow Grove NATS, OOS!

Leeper


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: Scottl0413 on June 19, 2013, 09:04:45 AM
Well, added a 2" wheel to the R-rod 600 and than did some test flying. Had to do some minor adjustments but after a couple of flights everything was spot on. Even looks good in the air.

Scott


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: glidermaster on June 19, 2013, 10:53:39 AM
Sounds good Scott - always nice to hear news of successful power flying!

......but I'm still grappling with the idea that The Leeper is an authority on power models, too. It doesn't seem quite right, really............


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: Pit on June 19, 2013, 11:53:16 AM
Sounds good Scott - always nice to hear news of successful power flying!

......but I'm still grappling with the idea that The Leeper is an authority on power models, too. It doesn't seem quite right, really............
It goes with the fact that he's been around for a long time in the right circles (but the Berk. kit plan for the "600" still didn't show the wheel, only "suggested" it ;) ;D).


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: sweepettelee on June 19, 2013, 12:19:38 PM
That goes along with my observation that Ramrods built to Berkley plans
 did not fly as well as those built to Ron's original specs plans.
Wheel or no wheel, for that matter.


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: sweepettelee on June 19, 2013, 01:48:13 PM
......but I'm still grappling with the idea that The Leeper is an authority on power models, too. It doesn't seem quite right, really............

GM John,
any trimming skills ::) I have were learned flying lots of HLG & Ramrods
Back 'then'.
You possibly would say the same.  :)


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: glidermaster on June 21, 2013, 11:06:01 AM
I might indeed Lee.
However, I would have to add your esteemed self to my list of invaluable aids in the acquisition of trimming skills, then change 'Ramrod' to Dixielander........

....and add the Dave Hipperson Sloworm 1/2A which I flew for 15 years (and which out-lasted 2 engines).

See you in Oregon?


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: PeeTee on June 21, 2013, 11:47:45 AM
John

Speaking of Hippo's Sloworm, do you have a 3 view perchance? I have a Campbells plan for the 1/2A Sloworm, but it's a Dave Platt design. Sorry to divert from the Ramrod topic!

Peter


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: sweepettelee on June 21, 2013, 12:00:23 PM
Quote from: glidermaster
See you in Oregon? [/quote

Yes, that trip is planned.
CU there.
Leeper


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: glidermaster on June 21, 2013, 01:13:49 PM
Peetee,
I'm sure I have the issue of Model Aircraft magazine, and the actual plan.

Not thinking of building one, surely? I thought you eschewed the general foulness and noise of power flying........

John


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: sweepettelee on June 21, 2013, 01:18:24 PM
Yes, Peetee, explain that query to the masses?
Curious minds & all that...
(Just to save Tmat from the need to reply)


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: PeeTee on June 21, 2013, 01:30:35 PM
GM-J

Not at all. I'm intent on joining the noisy boys in return for John Thompson's conversion to the 'Dark Side', and have collected a number of suitable (albeit small capacity) motors. It could be a 1/2A T bird with an ex John Bailey TD 049, or possibly a Top Banana with dieselised Cox or a Merlin. It's the peripheral kit that is missing, such as motor starters and glow drivers, although I have sorted out a nice Speed 600 motor which my clubmates tell me is perfick for a 1/2A starter. I know, I know, you'll say "what's your right forefinger for"? My 'fat' forefinger (courtesy of AM35 powered combat wings) tells me it doesn't do 'flicks' any more ::).

The Sloworm, perhaps increased in span to 50" and circa 340 squinch, looks a nice size for my next open electric model!

Having lowered the tone of the topic, I'll apologise and sign off.

Peter
ps i've looked on outerzone which doesn't have the plan - I'll keep looking.


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: glidermaster on June 21, 2013, 01:47:20 PM
Peetee,
Give me an email address, and I will scan and send the Sloworm plan next week.

John


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: PeeTee on June 21, 2013, 02:22:39 PM
John

Thanks. I have yours courtesy of the fin position exchange, and will send a quick mail to you to confirm mine.

Regards

Peter


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: Tmat on June 21, 2013, 02:29:15 PM
The Sloworm, perhaps increased in span to 50" and circa 340 squinch, looks a nice size for my next open electric model!
I no longer have the plan, but the Sloworm was my first 1/2A power model. I built several and they all flew very well. Not the fastest model due to the thick, undercambered airfoil but the glide was good. I did a version with a thinned down, de-cambered wing that climbed much faster. Brings back memories....

Tmat
-back to regularly scheduled programming....  ;D


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: glidermaster on June 21, 2013, 04:11:22 PM
I'm looking forward to Peetee's Sloworm build thread.

Sloworm was my first power model, and I was 4th in the Frog Junior with it at the '69 Nationals (Hullavington), and 4th in 1/2A with it the '77 Nationals (Little Rissington) - my first fly-off.
Yup, brings back memories  :D

Anyway, as Tony says, back to Ramrods.................


Title: Re: Ramrod 600 wheel size!
Post by: Ployd on June 21, 2013, 07:52:48 PM
Still way off topic but the Slowworm prompted memories of the one built by my late father before he came out with his Minicano series (which has been converted to electric power).

Back on topic; Ramrods are butt ugly...sorry Leeper.

Ployd in OZ