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Title: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 02, 2013, 05:13:49 PM
OK, After a great weekend at the UK Nats , I gave in to temptation and bought a Midkiff/Aerographics Fokker DVII from SAMS. When I realised this was the same 1/16th scale as the Camel kit I already had, my fate was sealed! The plan so far is to build the DVII to defend the Kit Scale title at next year's Indoor Nats and build the much more scale-like Camel for my first venture into the scary open classes...

I managed to find the Windsock Datafile for the Camel at a car boot sale for 3 quid, so that's most of the documentation sorted: I just need to up my building and finishing skills by 300% and I'll be fine.

Hints and tips from any builders of either of these two kits gratefully received; especially about resizing PDF files to print lozenge tissue at the correct scale, Luddite that I am...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 02, 2013, 05:53:02 PM
I had a bit of a spend too Dan ... yesterday at SAM's at Peterborough.
The Aerographics Camel, small SE5 and Fokker triplane!
I was even thinking of the Camel for the same event  ::)
I've decided just to concentrate on getting them built how I want to build them and then seeing how they would be best suited rather than targeting specific events with them ... this might work better for me?
Of course we already know that your approach has worked well for you  :)
I think it might have been the DVII for me too if George had the model in stock.
I'm hoping it's not the 2024 Nats that I will be aiming for  ::)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 03, 2013, 01:32:39 PM
Nice, Russ! I was also tempted by the big tripe, but chickened out and went for the DVII instead. I've got a half built peanut Tripe somewhere; I'll see if I can get that flying before tackling a bigger one!

The Fokker's upper wing is done and the tail surfaces will be built before the night is out. Once it's built, I'll have endless fun printing miles of lozenge camo tissue...!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 03, 2013, 02:34:31 PM
mmmm .... I still have some '2007 vintage' hexagonal lozenge tissue to apply. I messed up one bit and I still haven't got my act together to replace it  :-\

I'm sure that you will make your usual super job .... is it wrong that I'm starting to look forward to the indoor nats already?


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 03, 2013, 03:09:06 PM
Not at all! That's why I want to get these two built now, so I've got plenty of time for trimming before losing the title with good grace and not like a grumpy, sore loser in any way at all...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 03, 2013, 05:39:35 PM
Mike Stuart's excellent FF Scale website features some downloadable lozenge camo. I seem to have worked out how to print it out at the required 1:16 scale from the original 1:24. Time will tell when I actually print some!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 03, 2013, 05:54:00 PM
Bill Brown's legacy lives on! .... Bill did the patterns for the camo (as used on a lot of Pete's models)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Monz on September 03, 2013, 05:55:43 PM
Mike Stuart's excellent FF Scale website features some downloadable lozenge camo. I seem to have worked out how to print it out at the required 1:16 scale from the original 1:24. Time will tell when I actually print some!

Cheers,

Dan.

Give me a shout if you need a hand with the resizing. Sounds like you've got it waxed though :)

Here's a DVI I did years ago from the same files I think.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 03, 2013, 06:03:34 PM
Nice work Monique ... how long did that one take?  ;)

As I remember, Pete Iliffe would normally spray a mist of black over the applied camo tissue to give an 'authentic' look.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 04, 2013, 02:02:43 PM
Nice, Monz! Didn't you have another one on the go recently? Unexpected day off today as the electrics in my car were stone dead and it's impossible to get to where I work on Public Transport in less than two hours, if it's possible at all... I'm now the owner of a new battery and 54 quid lighter, but at least I got the Fokker's lower wings together. Two potential lower longerons are currently soaking, ready to be pinned down overnight to the fairly severe curve of the lower fuselage. Can't do much more tonight, but I may try the tissue printing!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Monz on September 04, 2013, 02:08:44 PM
Cheers, yeah, I've got the 26" one on the shelf, trying to overcome my twowingsonaplaneaphobia ;)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 04, 2013, 05:15:47 PM
Can I join this dogfight please? I rather fancy doing the Albatros D.III.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 04, 2013, 05:47:51 PM
As long as I'm not the one getting shot down again  ::)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 06, 2013, 03:14:52 PM
Hi Pete! Please join in if you are having a bash at the Aerographics Albatross. Paul Briggs did a superb one a couple of years ago. Just had my first attempt at printing lozenge tissue. Much as I hate the phrase "OMG", OMG!!! Turned out far better than I imagined possible and it looks even better when contemplating the amount of masking, swearing and Special Brew abuse that would ensue if I tried it from scratch... Modest start: I only did a sheet of upper and lower. Enough to do the tailplane and check it's resistance to my preferred finishing methods...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 07, 2013, 02:32:26 PM
...contemplating the amount of masking, swearing and Special Brew abuse...
Does anyone know the correct percentages in which these should be mixed for a really good finish? What ratio did you use on your SE5?

Right, have just ordered the Aerographics Albatros, so will HAVE to build it now to justify the hole in my bank balance. Look out, you Sopwiths!


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 08, 2013, 02:10:09 PM
Special Brew is the only critical ingredient. Enough of that stuff and you can do anythink! Well, THINK you can do anything, anyway... The SE build was mostly fuelled by cheap cider and Poacher's Choice beer.

Glad to see you are doing the Albatross, Pete! I've never even seen the plan, so I don't know a lot about it but it looks lovely!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 11, 2013, 01:12:10 PM
A little progress to report... Upper and lower wings together; although I haven't joined the lower panels yet. Rather than doing it now-as per instructions, I'm waiting until the fus is built so I can get the spacing bang on. Laser cut bits are nice, but I don't trust them implicitly! Tail surfaces built and the basic fus box is together, lacking a couple of pairs of rear spacers and the top decking etc.

I can't find a colour scheme that really takes my fancy, reading the rules (always a good idea!) "In the style of" appears to be ok. If that's the case, can I do what I want with lozenges, fictitious skull and bones personal markings and outrageously coloured cowling etc?!

We shall see....

Cheers,

Dan.

P.S Was going to add a pic or two, but the camera is stone dead after the Nats...


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 11, 2013, 02:02:44 PM
Dan I did think you were supposed to have a painting or artist's depiction or something to base your scheme on, but that it didn't have to be particularly authentic, or even at all authentic. Haven't read the rules lately though, so you're probably right.
Whilst waiting for the Albatros kit to arrive I'm also thinking about colour schemes, but having had more than enough 'fun' printing lozenges for my Fokker last year I'm thinking of keeping it simple this time. I rather like this light blue one, which was flown by Hermann Frommherz and nicknamed the "Blaue Maus". Quite easy to do in tissue compared to most of the others and a pleasing colour too.
I know it's not necessary for Kit Scale, but if anyone knows of an actual photo of this DIII I'd like to see it.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 11, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
That is indeed a nice scheme, Pete! The only reason I've never done any of the Albatross series is the thought of trying to adjust thrustlines with that enormous spinner on hand to muck things up. I remember Derek Knight doing a big IC Fairey Fox years ago that used exhaust pressure driven diaphragms to adjust the tail surfaces during powered flight. Not an option with rubber!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 11, 2013, 03:11:32 PM
Stuff it! I'm going to finish it exactly how I want to finish it and if it's not authentic enough; knackers to it! Most of my focus (Such as it is...) will be on the Camel, so I'll do this one exactly how I would have marked a personal DVII and see what happens...

Cheers,

Dan.

Didn't want to win again, anyway!


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 11, 2013, 03:20:01 PM
You know what happened last time you said that you wouldn't win .......


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 11, 2013, 03:24:49 PM
True, Russ! I really am going to do this one as I want, though. Might still enter the Andreasson in KS, depending on how this goes. As I said: we shall see...

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 11, 2013, 04:17:01 PM

 I'll do this one exactly how I would have marked a personal DVII and see what happens...


Should be an interesting model then.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 11, 2013, 04:21:01 PM
Brilliant, Pete! I was hoping someone would mock my terrible addiction in just such a manner...

Cheers!

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 11, 2013, 05:53:52 PM
"Carlsberg didn't make fighter aircraft ..... but if they did ...." as the advert goes  ::)
I thought the Danes were neutral in the First World War Pete? .... you may have uncovered an insight into the German's downfall?  ;) Great stuff  :)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 11, 2013, 07:02:43 PM
To leave Baron von Carlsberg's DVII for a minute, have just found a genuine photo of my albatros. Well, the front two thirds of it at least. It was in a nice collection of photos here: http://www.chmelnice.org/index.php/2011/10/jasta-2-prvni-ze-vsech/


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 14, 2013, 02:36:23 PM
Good luck, Pete! Should be a good one...

I've printed out some more lozenge tissue from the FF Scale website; this time at the original 1/24th scale. I'm going to try it out on a smaller, sport model before tackling the DVII. That way, I can find out the best techniques for adhering/finishing without worrying about it! I'm thinking of Walt Mooney's Hergt Monoplane peanut or Bill Hannan's Ten Cent Time Machine Fokker.

Back soon,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 14, 2013, 07:37:59 PM
Albatros kit has arrived so might start soon. Had a quick look at the plan (Midkiff) which looks great. Bit puzzled to find only the right hand lower wing on it though. As I'm supposed to build over the plan, doesn't this mean I'll have the hassle of copying and reversing it (or tracing it through onto the back) in order to build the LH wing? The joy of kit building for me is NOT having to do that kind of thing, but perhaps I'm missing something as usual.

(Incidentally, Dan- do you want this thread used as a general WW1 Aerographics meeting place, or is it really intended as a thread for your own two builds? If the latter then I'll put further Albatros updates elsewhere)




Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 15, 2013, 04:36:23 AM
Pete, I don't mind either way! This wasn't really intended as just my build thread, so whatever you want...

No further progress on mine; I spent yesterday taking the wings, tail, prop etc. off a 1:1 scale Stearman!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 15, 2013, 06:26:12 AM
Hmm, 1th scale, eh? That's quite big. Might need something a bit heavier than Esaki on it, and a pretty mighty Gasparin I should think.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 15, 2013, 08:26:13 AM
A little big for Nottingham, certainly...


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 17, 2013, 01:15:22 PM
I decided against interrupting the Fokker build just to try the lozenge tissue, so I covered the underside of the u/c stub wing first! I chickened out of using tissue paste as it's water based, but the gum-type stuff I used to cover the Scram had no effect on the printed tissue whatsoever! A promising start...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Monz on September 17, 2013, 01:26:16 PM
Hey Dan, are you using an inkjet printer? To shrink it, stick the wing on a shelf in the bathroom, vertically, and have a hot shower, the steam should do the trick ;)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 17, 2013, 01:30:32 PM
That's a mental image for which I will not be preparing a photoshopped image!  ;D


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 17, 2013, 01:52:22 PM
For which many people will be eternally grateful....

'Specially me!

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 18, 2013, 01:55:57 PM
Lozenge tissue steam shrunk as normal and has shrunk up nice and tight with two coats of dope. Not a trace of colours running, either!

Cheers,

A very pleased Dan!


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 18, 2013, 02:47:34 PM
OK, now I've remembered to charge the camera, here's a couple of pics of the printed tissue!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pit on September 19, 2013, 06:15:37 AM
Came out nice!  Did you use the "normal" or "draft" ink setting?

Pete


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 19, 2013, 12:59:34 PM
Whatever the printer was set to already!

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 21, 2013, 02:48:23 PM
Here's a couple of pics of the current state of play. It's starting to look like an aeroplane! I managed to bend all the wirework today; usually my least favourite job and a particular nightmare on a DVII! The centre section struts dictate the position of the top wing, so they had to be accurate...

Noseblock and CO2 tank mounting to sort out and it's pretty much ready for covering, after a marathon lozenge printing session, of course!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 25, 2013, 04:29:23 PM
After contemplating making a rad. grill from 28g wire (VERY briefly!), I spent a couple of days wondering how to do it without going insane. As it had to be "built in" before going any further, I was a bit stumped! It's amazing what you can do with a tea bag (Unused!) and a spot of paint!!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 25, 2013, 04:43:33 PM
Nowt wrong with what you have done Dan .... I would have raided another 'spatter guard' for it though (might still have offcuts from the last one)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 25, 2013, 04:49:53 PM
Link to one of my 'eternal' threads if you haven't seen one used before?

http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14366.0;attach=94217;image (http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14366.0;attach=94217;image)



Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 25, 2013, 05:01:07 PM
Nice, Russ! I didn't have anything similar to hand, so a tea bag it was! It looks OK, I think...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 25, 2013, 05:09:51 PM
Yours looks fine Dan  :) ... it was just with you mentioning a wire option, I didn't know if you had ever spotted these spatter guards.
You can still get one for less than £2 I think from somewhere like Wilkinsons or The Range.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pit on September 27, 2013, 12:50:53 PM
Radiator grills were always a nightmare for me before I got some of the nylon (more likely Perlon?) screening material to keep the summer bugs outa da haus.  Available in white or black, and is stretchable, so one can vary the weave size a bit.  Works and looks OK, and I have LOTS of off-cuts ;).

Pete


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: billdennis747 on September 27, 2013, 01:43:03 PM
I use copper gauze. Can't remember where it came from - one of those "that looks useful" moments.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on September 27, 2013, 04:12:13 PM
Yes Bill!! I tend to hoard stuff, much to Jill's dismay, but then when I actually need something... vanished into the ether. Either we have a poltergeist or our maniac cats really will eat anything.

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on October 05, 2013, 04:42:48 PM
Covering is now underway in earnest. I've still failed to find a genuine scheme that appealed or didn't look a screaming nightmare to do, so it's still going to be a fictitious one... Looking at the rules and judge's guide again, a specific prototype is not required. As long as it's finished "in an appropriate manner", I should be ok. With that in mind, I'm hoping lozenge camo, national markings and spurious Jasta and personal markings (if I can be bothered!) will pass muster. If not, never mind. I said I was going to finish it how I wanted! I'm still quite astounded by how well the printed tissue turned out, as well as it's hardiness when done! Tissue paste is a no-no, but anything else doesn't seem to touch it.

I think Pete Fardell was called upon by the judges to explain the printed tissue on his DVIII at the Indoor Nats this year. I would argue that most beginners/younger modellers these days would be far more likely to go the printed route than trying to do it any other way as they are all far more computer savvy than this old git will ever be!

Back with some pics when I get a bit further...

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on October 05, 2013, 06:11:28 PM
I was indeed asked by Charlie Newman to justify my printed lozenges, but it was okay because the templates from which I printed came on a CD as part of the kit. In any case (possibly partly due to that model) the kit scale rules have now been changed to allow printed tissue (at least that's my understanding).
Pete


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on October 06, 2013, 04:45:19 PM
Today's progress...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Rich Moore on October 07, 2013, 04:44:20 PM
That is looking very pretty.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on October 07, 2013, 05:00:29 PM
Cheers Rich! I'm hoping the lurid colour scheme will distract the eye of the beholder from my usual quota of constructional screw-ups...

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Rich Moore on October 07, 2013, 05:13:49 PM
You certainly won't lose it in the snow...


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on October 08, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
I don't really know why they made any attempt at camouflage when the rest of the schemes could be seen from five miles away. In fog. By Stevie Wonder...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on October 12, 2013, 12:14:59 PM
This is turning out to be one of those that is taking every opportunity to go wrong. Tailplane was nicely covered and steam shrunk, yet a whacking great wrinkle has appeared after doping. Sigh...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on October 26, 2013, 12:48:05 PM
Gave up and built a new tailplane! Managed a few more bits and pieces and got hold of some 5mm neoprene cord for tyres as the 3mm I already had looked woefully skinny compared to pics. Nearly ready to cover the last bits and start spraying trim...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 07, 2013, 09:26:36 AM
I've not had chance to do much building recently, but I've got the Fokker a little further along...

The nose has had the red trim sprayed. It will get another coat once the distinctive side panels have been added. The new tailplane is covered and pinned down so it's getting there-slowly!

Sadly, I can't take any credit for the wonderful pilot figure! The figure and the incredible paint job are all the (Reasonably priced!) work of Dave Banks.

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 16, 2013, 08:14:06 AM
A bit more progress! Once I get the lower wings doped and pinned down flat, I can get on with nose side panels, Spandaus and dummy engine while I wait for some more white Esaki to arrive for the upper wing!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on November 16, 2013, 08:55:22 AM
Looking very tidy. Love those lozenges!


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 16, 2013, 09:57:48 AM
Cheers Pete! I've ordered some more white tissue. I would have been fine, but the printer chewed up three sheets!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on November 16, 2013, 03:30:18 PM
I'm only guessing, but was there any swearing involved?


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 16, 2013, 03:37:57 PM
You know me too well!!


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 22, 2013, 03:50:09 PM
Made the first of the nose side panels. Photocopies of the patterns were tacked to thin litho plate and the shape cut out. Slits were cut at the numerous louvre positions and the louvres were formed by laying the litho over some scrap soft balsa and working the metal into shape with the rounded end of a small scalpel handle. (Note to self: Remove no.11 blade before doing the opposite side; I can only lose so much blood...) It turned out better than I'd hoped! Once it's glued in place, it will be sprayed red along with the second coat on the rest of the nose. The 2 panels will add about 4-5g at a guess, but it's a rare WWI bipe that doesn't need noseweight!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 24, 2013, 03:35:57 PM
Here are the 2 nose panels. I managed to form the louvres in the second one without spilling any blood (At least they're red!) and they have had one coat of paint before gluing in position on the fuselage. I'm quite pleased with how they turned out, given the rough and ready method used. Metalwork is not my forte! The weight of the 2 is only around 3g, so not as heavy as I feared...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: DavidJP on November 24, 2013, 04:40:39 PM
I am finding this all a bit intimidating.  It is looking very nice indeed.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on November 24, 2013, 04:47:35 PM
Had to remind myself how those panels are orientated .... looking great  :)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 25, 2013, 01:36:15 PM
David, don't be fooled! The camera CAN lie... This is not meant to be intimidating, it's just my approach to one model and the use of techniques that are new to me as "practice" for a proposed open class model. If a drunken idiot like me can do this stuff, anybody else should be fine!

The plan for tonight is to get a second coat of paint on the two panels and daub some black on the nose of the model underneath the louvre positions. Then I need to decide whether to cut the front of the panels free along the line of the noseblock break or leave them in one piece and have the noseblock slide between them.

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 25, 2013, 04:39:34 PM
In a mad burst of enthusiasm, I got the Fokker's nose panels glued in place tonight. I "weathered" the paint a little around the edges of the dummy hatches and the panels themselves, in an attempt to break up the solid colour and give some definition. I decided to keep the panels in one piece and slide the noseblock between them. It looks better and is easier!

Spandaus next... Damn!

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: billdennis747 on November 25, 2013, 04:58:33 PM
Dan
While you're at it, can you make a pair for me too. One twelfth will do.
Bill


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 25, 2013, 05:15:41 PM
I'd love to, Bill. Just give me 15 years or so to get over the trauma of doing mine...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: billdennis747 on November 25, 2013, 05:19:08 PM
Dan
Somewhere along the line, I missed the bit where you made and lined up the cabane wires, and how you fitted the side panels over the one that passes through. Are they waiting to be soldered together at the top?
Bill


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on November 25, 2013, 05:41:26 PM
Pete will probably not be pleased with me .... but fits this moment I think?  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy2NmrmcVmQ&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy2NmrmcVmQ&feature=youtu.be)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 25, 2013, 05:54:34 PM
Nascent Serial Killer, if ever I saw one...

Bill, the C/S wires are 2 separate pieces, one each side, that plug into alum tubes. Given my ineptitude with wire bending, they were a Royal pain to do... Using two pieces per side and soldering together at the top would have been easier, but where's the fun in that...?!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: skyraider on November 25, 2013, 07:35:12 PM
Dan,
Fantastic work on your D7!!  Actually the side panels on the real D-7 had a slit in the panel to allow getting around the strut (see pic below). Still great work!!

Skyraider


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: billdennis747 on November 26, 2013, 01:46:54 AM
Actually the side panels on the real D-7 had a slit in the panel to allow
getting around the strut

I didn't know that, but it's good news!


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 28, 2013, 10:42:01 AM
Feels like I'm getting somewhere at last! I'll leave any more spraying until the upper wing is covered and I can spray the lot at once.

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on November 28, 2013, 12:56:37 PM
Coming along really well Dan ... marvelous pilot


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 28, 2013, 01:24:52 PM
Nothing to do with me, Russ! The pilot is Dave Banks artistry... It felt like sacrilege to take a razor saw to him and cut a slot to fit over a cross member...

I chickened out of tackling the Spandaus and finished the wheels first. They are tissued and doped, but will get a coat of red paint before final fitting. The upper wing will have a lozenge underside and upperside, but a red centre section on top. This means I will have to print one less sheet of tissue! Seeing as I'm making the scheme up anyway, it doesn't matter. I doubt I'll enter this in next year's Kit Scale; it's gone a bit over the top! It's been more of a practice run for an open class model and I still have the Andreasson for KS.

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on November 28, 2013, 01:56:40 PM
You have models in abundance Dan .... something I like to see but cannot seem to achieve myself.

I had a feeling it was Dave's hand ... I sell myself as an artist, but I can't touch the character that Dave puts into these pilots.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 28, 2013, 02:53:29 PM
Russ, there is only one sort of artist I can lay claim to being and it's nothing to do with paint!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on November 28, 2013, 03:01:18 PM
Pavement?


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 28, 2013, 03:08:53 PM
Close... Correct initial letter, anyway!

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Timp on November 28, 2013, 08:44:22 PM
Hey Dan:  I've been following this thread, but seem to have missed what size CO2 engine you
are putting in it?  Is it a Gasparin G-120?

Thanks, Tim Pivonka


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on November 29, 2013, 01:59:27 AM
Hi Tim. Yep, it's a 120.

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 01, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Gave up waiting for some more white Esaki to arrive. I simply trawled through my (too large!) collection of kits until I found some. Flyline to the rescue!! Upper wing is now covered, shrunk, doped and pinned down drying. I might spray some of the white marking backgrounds later if I can tear myself off the sofa... Still got the Spandaus to do, but the end is definitely in sight...!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 01, 2013, 01:35:02 PM
First bit of fus. spraying done! I must say, this making a scheme up as you go along lark is quite liberating!

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 03, 2013, 04:17:31 PM
Still got wing markings to spray and a few fiddly bits to sort out; couldn't resist a quick mock-up, though!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on December 03, 2013, 04:37:42 PM
I have a feeling I'm going to be following you one year behind with this kit too! Looks great  :)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 03, 2013, 06:34:16 PM
Cheers Russ! I'm quite pleased with the way it's shaping up. There are my usual quota of screw ups, but I'm hoping they are not too obvious. I still have the wing markings to spray: Plenty of opportunity to knacker everything!!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: rgroener on December 04, 2013, 01:48:19 AM
Dan, very nice bird. I cant find any flaws in the picture, it looks just great for me. Hope that you will also post some pics or even a vid of the beauty in its element.
Roman


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 06, 2013, 03:24:12 PM
Bit the bullet and started on the twin machine guns. I was going to use thick card to roll the perforated barrels, but then thought "Stuff it!" and went for the litho plate instead! I don't think the weight difference between the doped card and the much thinner litho will be that great and they will look far better! To drill the many holes easily(!) I have glued the barrel template from the kit instructions to a piece of 1/16" ply, 2 pieces of litho and another piece of ply into a solid lump with balsa cement. The holes can then (Hopefully!) be drilled cleanly through the lot before soaking in thinners to release the litho pieces. Some of the holes will need joining up to form slots, so that will be fun! The finished pieces will be rolled around a suitable mandrel and cyano'd together along the bottom. Blimey! Almost sounds easy. What could possibly go wrong...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Monz on December 06, 2013, 03:33:25 PM
This has turned out beautifully Dan! I must build me a DVII one day...

I saw this vid posted somewhere, well worth the watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZZ82xiWP7w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZZ82xiWP7w)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: billdennis747 on December 06, 2013, 03:48:02 PM
Dan, are you going to anneal the litho so it bends round evenly?
Bill


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 06, 2013, 03:48:22 PM
Awesome stuff! Makes a nice change to see a WWI bipe flown how they would have been flown in combat, rather than limply stooging around. Thanks Monz; nice one!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 06, 2013, 03:50:51 PM
Dunno yet, Bill! I'll use a scrap piece and see how it goes. If it creases, wrinkles and generally misbehaves; annealing it is!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Monz on December 06, 2013, 04:09:48 PM
Ja I know, and that was probably at only half of what it could do... Note the rate of climb too, lovely Merc up front there. Kermit Weeks' DVII is coming along nicely too...


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 06, 2013, 05:16:09 PM
Drilled all the holes through the ply/litho/ply sandwich. Dribbled a bit of acetone around the edges and it split neatly into two, each bit of litho plate still being attached to a piece of ply. I figured this would give me a fighting chance of joining the holes to form the requisite slots much more easily than unsupported litho. I managed halfway through one piece before extreme eye/hand fatigue set in! back to it in a bit...!

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pit on December 07, 2013, 05:27:35 AM
Are you filing the slots or using a micro router bit in a Dremel (mounted in a Work Station)?  Fantastic model. and the vid linked by Monz was awsome - I ended up watching most of the others that showed on the page ::)!


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 07, 2013, 09:38:31 AM
Spandau No.1. The slots were formed by simply joining up the drilled holes with a knife. One or two still need tidying up, but I'm pleased with the overall impression...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 07, 2013, 03:53:45 PM
Here's a view of the underside lozenge camo and the newly sprayed wing markings. No more today; I've had it!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: DHnut on December 07, 2013, 05:15:08 PM
Not surprized. It looks immaculate and hopefully will fly as well as it looks. No long grass and calm evening at the moment and the East Coast really took a hammering last week. 
Ricky


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Dave Andreski on December 07, 2013, 06:48:38 PM
Very pretty Dan!
Dave


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 08, 2013, 08:22:00 AM
Twin Spandaus done! Dummy engine next...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 08, 2013, 01:02:19 PM
White background for the upper wing markings sprayed and a load of 1/8" x 1/16" sanded to streamline shape and grooved for the strut fairings. "N" struts have had a couple of coats of sanding sealer and I've started thinking about the dummy Merc. I need to resist spraying the black for the markings until the white has hardened properly. Curse this impatience...!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 09, 2013, 03:11:54 PM
Upper wing markings sprayed!

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on December 09, 2013, 03:58:30 PM
The sight of an aircraft in the colours of Von Mellor would have struck fear into the hearts of many a hopeful air ace  ;)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 09, 2013, 04:08:57 PM
Especially when they were bombarded with empty Spesh cans from above...


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 11, 2013, 02:57:37 PM
Another couple of coats of red on the rear c/s struts and I'm ready to mount the top wing. Might leave that 'til the dummy engine is done and in place as access is easier now. I'm a coward at heart!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: union model on December 11, 2013, 05:16:15 PM
Very nice Dan, you have done a superb job with the printed tissue.

Mike


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 11, 2013, 05:36:48 PM
Cheers Mike!

I'm quite pleased with it, I must say! I was quite surprised at how well the tissue turned out, although the jamming rate was about one sheet in four! I was very pleased with the way the litho plate nose panels came out, given that it was my first attempt and I'm crap with metalwork...

Should have her finished over the weekend, he says laughingly...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 12, 2013, 03:18:22 PM
Dummy engine done and in, upper wing and associated struttery mounted! The engine is hardly super scale, but if I decide to use this for Kit Scale next year, it's what's on the plan. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it! Major benefit of a DVII: hardly any rigging to send me mad and blind! A couple of bits on the U/C and tail, and that's yer lot! Yay!!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Mark Braunlich on December 12, 2013, 04:41:40 PM
Here's a rare color photo of Lt. Von Mellor in his Eindecker during the early part of the great razor shortage of 1916.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 12, 2013, 05:05:01 PM
Uncanny! He only needs a can of Spesh in one hand and the likeness is complete...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 14, 2013, 11:36:15 AM
After a lot of jigging, jiggling about and swearing... Done!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Laurence Marks on December 14, 2013, 11:59:30 AM
Very nice Dan


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Indoorflyer on December 14, 2013, 12:13:46 PM
Very well done.  Enjoyed reading this thread...


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 14, 2013, 12:24:34 PM
Cheers all! Now onto the Camel or 504 for (Hopefully!) the CO2/Electric class. I used to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure...

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Dave Andreski on December 14, 2013, 06:44:49 PM
Dan,
I can't stop looking at your camo printing. It looks like painted glass.
Dave


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on December 14, 2013, 07:55:57 PM
It's beautiful. Setting a very high standard for kit scale again!


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 17, 2013, 04:31:31 PM
Pete, I don't think I'll be entering this for KS; I've gone a bit OTT with stuff not shown on the plan and we all know what that means... Will probably use the G160 powered Andreasson...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 17, 2013, 05:03:54 PM
After sober reflection, well, reflection anyway, I think it looks like being the 504 next. The Camel's reputation for being a vicious git is kind of offputting... See? I can be sensible...!

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on December 17, 2013, 05:08:30 PM
Look forward to it Dan ... actually started my 504 about ten years ago now  :(

As I have mentioned, I have the Camel too. Sounds just the level of stupidity for me!
I have had the not so good laser cut parts replaced so I have a full kit again.




Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on December 17, 2013, 05:15:46 PM
As usual, I mess around with some of the details sometimes before the build proper.
Here's the poor 504K kit pilot that has been waiting all that time.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Yak 52 on December 17, 2013, 05:29:15 PM
After a lot of jigging, jiggling about and swearing...

But what about the model Dan?  ;D

Looks beautiful - worthy of a place on any Jagdstaffel.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: danmellor on December 25, 2013, 05:04:23 PM
Cheers Jon! Started cutting wood for the Avro today. Progress so far is limited to the laminated outline for the rudder. By God, that's a tight radius...!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 19, 2014, 12:20:11 PM
Okay, time to join the Aerographics WW1 fest!
Less than 12 weeks till Kit Scale 2014 so have started the Albatros. Couple of issues with this kit. Firstly, as mentioned before, only one lower wing is on the plan, so I had to scan it, flip it and then print to the exact same size. Bit of a faff, but not too bad. Also, the leading edges of the wings are described and drawn as 3/32" square stock but there was no strip or even sheet to cut them from that size in the box. Again, not really a problem as I just cut them myself, but still.
 Anyway, here are the wings, now off the board and ready for sanding.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on January 19, 2014, 02:30:32 PM
Stop with the countdown!  ;)
I seem to go from 'no need to start just yet' to 'too late!' in one easy step  :-\

Look forward to progress with the Albatros.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: ironmike on January 19, 2014, 02:43:23 PM
HI Pete

Hope you are not too miffed at the D-III kit!

Give Walbridge a call at Sams and mention the missing 3/32 sq. strip.
Plenty strips are allowed for on my original BOM.

Also I will send Sams a 2nd bottom wing plan master to address this oversite.

Look forward to your progress on "Bromowski's steed"

Mike Midkiff


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 19, 2014, 03:22:57 PM
Hi Mike,
No not really miffed at all- just very minor bugbears. The missing wing plan was the main one as for me the joy of building a kit is not having to think too much!
 It's going to be a lovely little plane though I think, and the design looks great. Thanks!

Russ, don't worry- ages to go yet. Monique would still have time to build a whole squadron.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 27, 2014, 06:59:48 AM
Tail done too. On to the fuselage next. Really enjoying this now and despite my previous ponderings about colour schemes, I'm currently inclined towards a simple  all red Richthofen job. This means I can use the tissue and cross decals provided in the box, and also make some Spandaus.

(I realise the Baron probably never flew an all red Albatros with all the crosses on, but this is Kit Scale and I have a nice C Rupert Moore Aero Modeller cover painting as evidence!)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Graham Banham on January 27, 2014, 03:26:47 PM
I've somehow missed this thread:  DVII looks great Dan, and looking forward to seeing other AG WW1 types taking shape.

Not sure if I'm still banned from KS.......I wonder......


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Laurence Marks on January 27, 2014, 03:34:52 PM
Mmmmmm.....


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on January 27, 2014, 03:51:51 PM
I think the ban is lifted on you two ..... but you can only enter flying genuine Airfix kits


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Monz on January 27, 2014, 04:16:26 PM
Not this year Pete, shall proffer my services as a judge/time keeper again.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Graham Banham on January 27, 2014, 04:19:41 PM
Right then!

Seriously, I've got my work cut out this year in the Dark Side comp (R/C). Please don't laugh too loudly at my figure 8: it puts me off.    :'(


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on January 27, 2014, 04:24:40 PM
Looks a flyer  ::)  :)

(.... I have actually built one of those .... for my younger brother you understand ...)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on February 02, 2014, 08:33:51 AM
The Albatros fuselage is going together nicely. I wonder if ironmike anyone (or Mike M himself) can help me with this though:
The plan seems to show the aluminium tube for the rear cabane mounting passing through the fuselage longeron, rather than just under it like the front one. Is this really right? Or am I reading the plan wrong (as is so often the case!)?


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: billdennis747 on February 02, 2014, 09:01:55 AM
Pete; through the longeron is probably best from a scale point of view. On bigger models this area is usually reinforced, allowing me to groove the longeron and drop the tube in. On this plan, there also seems to be reinforcement. It's one of those designs where, when everything is in place, it is adequately strong. I have no idea why the front one is below the longeron, but it could be moved if its appearance offends.
Bill


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on February 02, 2014, 11:17:48 AM
Thanks, Bill; that makes sense. I was forgetting that the reinforcement means the longeron won't really be broken in practice. Looking at scale drawings I think the front cabane joining point is lower because it is more true to scale that way. On the real plane the struts do fix directly to the longerons but the real DIII fuselage longerons sweep down more towards the nose than does this kit version. I'll just do as plan.


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: ironmike on February 02, 2014, 12:51:00 PM
Right mates.
It was my attempt to get the cabaine bottom attachments
closer to scale location


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on February 02, 2014, 12:59:12 PM
Thanks Mike. More build pics soon I hope.

(Incidentally, I am aware that ironmike and Mike Midkiff are one and the same- despite my poorly edited comment in reply #137 where it looks like I 'm asking both of them for help!  :-[)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on February 13, 2014, 07:04:41 PM
Fuselage going together okay. Forward side sheeting next.
Still plenty to do. Are there nine weeks to go, or only eight?

(Sorry, Russ, I just can't help counting down- it keeps me going!  :D)


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on February 15, 2014, 02:06:15 PM
A couple of queries. I'm hoping Mike M himself, or some other kind soul might clarify.

NOSE-BLOCK
The plan and the parts provided for this seem to be at odds, with the number and size of the discs not apparently corresponding (first 2 pics).
Plan: 2 large 1/32 ply discs, 3 smaller 1/8 balsa discs.
Parts in kit: 2 large 1/32  ply discs, 1 large 1/32 balsa disc, 2 smaller 1/8 balsa discs.
It's not really a problem and I can just build as plan of course, but I thought I might be missing something.

WHEELS
The other photo shows the only wheel parts provided. Surely this is only one wheel's worth isn't it, assuming two hub discs stuck together cross grained, and a tyre ring for each side of the hub? Again, maybe it's just me...


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: skyraider on February 15, 2014, 02:31:51 PM
Pete,
     Just from my observation, the two 1/32 ply disk form the bearing/plug. I would assume
the other 1/32 ply would be for the back of the spinner. Just guessing. It also seems that your
missing a 1/8 balsa disk as the plan calls for 3.

The wheel issue is simply the balsa disk, and the ring that forms the tire glued cross grained.
The back of the wheel is flat. There's a notation on the plans that the cone is made up from
stiff card or similar. Again just a guess. Hope this helps.

Skyraider


Title: Re: Aerographics WW1 Fest!
Post by: Pete Fardell on February 15, 2014, 03:23:29 PM
Thanks- that all makes sense. Yes, I thought I was a 1/8 disk short. Didn't think of the back of the spinner for the other big one.
As for the wheels, I'm sure you're right though it seems a little odd to me not to have a tyre bulge on the inside of the wheel too.