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Title: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Ex Member on May 20, 2018, 12:06:17 PM
To try and capitalise on his enthusiasm from the recent indoor Nats, I thought that Jimbo and I should build another model.

He really wanted to try his hand at stick and tissue - as against the all sheet models we have built before. So that means at some point we will have to tackle the dreaded tissue covering, and fiddly bits of 1/16”....

I have made him a building board from a little pin board from Wilko’s, which I reinforced at the rear with some hardboard I picked up free at IKEA (they leave it outside with a note to say “please take”)

He has been begging me to do a Hurricane, although I have explained they are tricky to trim, but he has persisted, and I have given in on the understanding that he realises that it might not fly as well as his other models so far.

So all taken into account I have decided that the little Guillows Hurricane is the way to go, it is (to put it politely) ahem, “robust” in design and the Wood is “sturdy” so suitable for chubby nearly 10 year old fingers.

As well as a bit of fun, this is a bit of a dress rehearsal for a build for next years Indoor Nats, in which he wants to build the VMC Jodel, which is not quite as robust in small hands but is a little less involved with 1/16”.

It has took a while for the new versions of laser cut kits in this series to filter through as the old die crushed kits get used up, but I managed to get one off eBay from “Arrow Models”

Anyhow today we made start, and being a laser cut he is doing all the work himself, releasing the parts and building them over the plan, I am of course advising and supervising - but he has done the work, and quite a good job he has done of it too so far.  This has been between him going over to the park to kick a ball around!

Andrew


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: danmellor on May 20, 2018, 12:35:13 PM
Very cool, Andrew!

You are raising him well...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: abl on May 20, 2018, 03:16:38 PM
Very nice choice! I always wanted a Guillows Hurricane in my younger days, but pocket money would only stretch so far.

Best of luck with it.

A.


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Ex Member on May 20, 2018, 03:26:52 PM
Cheers Dan and Andy...  :D ;D

We moved on from the outlines of the fin and rudder, and put in the ribs.  It is fair to say that James found this a little frustating and fiddly, but he battled through and I helped him get them to fit in a few occasions.  The photograph says it all in terms of the concentration that he required to try and adjust the length and make the ends square(ish)

We ended up with a couple of half decent looking parts, he gave them a quick sand round the edges and the faces, but I decided not to tell him to remove the numbers, as I thought that it would make the parts to thin for him to handle...

Andrew


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Snaky Stringer on May 20, 2018, 03:48:46 PM
I am currently resuscitating a Guillow's Spitfire ( the 1/16th version) that last flew in 1981, and there are plenty of numbers still to be seen on the fuselage frames. I have to build new wings and tail because the old ones have gone missing. I wonder if sanding the existing frames where possible would remove any of the weight. Somehow I doubt it, but I suppose every little helps. I plan to build it gear up but may make provision for plug-in undercart. The small Guillow's Hellcat is a good flier but there's also quite a lot of scope for weight reduction and the dihedral doesn't look so wrong as on the Hurri. Perhaps the lad would like one of those as his next project. The Guilow's P40 is another nice one. I usually convert them to have balsa noses but maybe that's silly.


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: TheLurker on May 20, 2018, 03:53:50 PM
A sensible fellow your son.  Having no truck whatsoever with those flashy Supermarine machines. :)
Hope he gets some good flights out of it.  More importantly; hope he enjoys building it.
Lurk.


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: ZK-AUD on May 20, 2018, 08:26:11 PM
Andrew don't be mean!   ;)  Why not put him out of his misery and make or buy him a wee razor guillotine.  so much easier.


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Work In Progress on May 21, 2018, 08:13:02 AM
I wonder he if could block-sand those tail components safely by using a bit of double-sided tape to hold them down to the board? I do that sometimes with small things as I have big fat fingers.


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Ex Member on May 21, 2018, 01:55:19 PM
Cheers Chaps,

He’s done the worst of it now, I want him to get the idea of eyeballing stuff and tickling and fettling until it fits  :D ;D

Andrew


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Snaky Stringer on May 21, 2018, 02:29:52 PM
He'll be designing his own soon, I suppose. ;-)


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: OZPAF on May 21, 2018, 07:37:27 PM
What an interesting job for a Aeromodelling Dad - supervising interested son building a kit :) Great stuff. Go Jimbo! :)

John


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Ex Member on June 10, 2018, 02:26:19 PM
Hi Guys,

Well after a couple of weeks off due to Cub Scout camp, and having his best friend over for a sleep over, we got back to some building today.  We managed to the centre section and the right wing done.  Dad told him to add a little more dihedral than the standard 3/4”, not that he knows in the slightest what an inch means!  We went in at about 22mm...

Some pictures of some careful cutting and glueing, plus the results of today’s labours...

Andrew


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: OZPAF on June 10, 2018, 09:04:43 PM
What concentration! Where do you buy that(concentration) these days? :)

John


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Ex Member on August 08, 2018, 03:05:49 AM
A bit of an update.

I took an unexpected holiday with Jimbo and my mum and dad at Wells-Next-the Sea a couple of weeks back. (Long story!)

We took the hurricane with us and over a few evenings Jimbo completed the fuselage meaning that we have built up all of the bones.

Next for the covering, which will be tackled on our (planned) holiday in France...

Andrew


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: OZPAF on August 08, 2018, 04:18:10 AM
Well Jim is still a faster builder than me :)

John


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Jack Plane on August 08, 2018, 05:10:28 AM
Nice one Darby & Son!


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: ironmike on August 08, 2018, 08:08:46 AM
Priceless Andy


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: p40qmilj on August 08, 2018, 10:40:43 AM
 ;D  carry on jimbo.  i hope to make a video of building the various structures for planes for my two grandkids which they will have after i'm gone. anyone done this before?

jim ;D


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Mooney on August 08, 2018, 09:45:21 PM
Nice job! He seems into it and thoroughly engaged.  Kudos


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Ex Member on August 16, 2018, 05:21:22 AM
We now get to the really tricky part... the covering.

My normal method is glue stick and PVA at the edges as per here...

https://www.vintagemodelcompany.com/how-to-cover-your-model-with-tissue.html

However I think that trimming the edges would be beyond the chubby fingers of Jimbo, and so I decided to show him the method of sanding through the tissue to trim it.

I had purposely chosen black tissue and we will do a nightfighter scheme, this means that we can use a sharpie marker on the exposed edges...

He has done quite well so far, but the tricky task of the top of the wings and the fuselage await...

Andrew


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: billdennis747 on August 16, 2018, 05:26:27 AM
I seem to recall that covering a stringered fuselage was the first major aeromodelling hurdle I encountered, round about 1959. hence the Camels and Nieuports


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Ex Member on August 16, 2018, 08:58:12 AM
I think that we will do it in small patches as per the Guillows instructions, it won’t be the neatest, and surely not the most efficient, but it will probably be the simplest way for him...

It seems to me Bill that hurdle lead to a lifetime love of those earlier types!  ;D

Andrew


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: PB_guy on August 16, 2018, 12:12:15 PM
You can try trimming the tissue with a small pair of sharp scissors. I trim to about 1/16" with this method regularly when doing the overlap cut.
ian


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: flydean1 on August 16, 2018, 12:32:03 PM
I think he is doing an excellent job, what with having to do it hanging by his heels. ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Ex Member on August 16, 2018, 01:11:59 PM
Yeah, odd that, it appears right on my iPad, but occasionally it does flip the images the wrong way round!  The other thing is that looking back at the pictures he looks really solemn, but that’s his concentrating face...

Andrew


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Pete Fardell on August 16, 2018, 02:26:37 PM
Great stuff, James- keep at it!

(Re iPad photos- I've found on mine that if take the pic with the iPad held with the home button on the right, the pic will still be the right way up when transfered to a forum or wherever. Not that it really matters.)


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: TheLurker on August 16, 2018, 02:31:56 PM
Andrew, do either of your kids accept contract work?  I have this "under-cambered" wing that's being a right pain...  :)

> ...small patches as per the Guillows instructions, it won’t be the neatest...
Oh I dunno.  You may have lots of overlaps, but you won't have any ugly cobbles or wrinkles which would look far less appealing.


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Squirrelnet on August 16, 2018, 02:41:50 PM
Great build . I think I started around Jimbo's age, though with far less ambitious models. Ezebuild all sheet DH Pussmoth was probably my first solo attempt. I parked it in a hanger under my bed but it met and unfortunate end when my mum ran it over with the Hoover  :-\ who Hoovers under the bed ?

Good luck with the build


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: OZPAF on August 16, 2018, 08:43:59 PM
You have a good production line working there Andrew. Covering stringered fuselages is certainly not one of my favourite tasks. They certainly seem to be enjoying themselves(more than Dad?) - although lots of serious concentration there.

I can see a competition coming here :)

John



Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Ex Member on August 20, 2018, 05:18:12 PM
Hard work for me, but that is the lot of a dad isn’t it!?

More concentrated faces...

Doping of the the fin/rudder and covering the wing, Dad holding it whilst Jimbo adds PVA, to secure the loose edges.

On the wing I had no option than to let him trim the edges with a razor so that they could be overlapped, he still has eight fingers and two thumbs so it ended well...

Andrew


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: OZPAF on August 20, 2018, 07:48:03 PM
He will be aright with tools Andrew. I would imagine that Jim is well on the way to coming to grips with sharp blades and knives Andrew. He looks confident and focused. Must be good genes?  :)

John


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Ex Member on August 21, 2018, 08:10:12 AM
Yes his mother is a very clever lady...  ;D :D

Andrew


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: OZPAF on August 21, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Diplomatic :) :)

John


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Ex Member on August 22, 2018, 08:57:40 AM
Well his patience and concentration paid off with a reasonable looking covering job, the edges tucked underneath look a bit ragged - but hey - Could I have done as well as this at his age - no way!

The first outer wing panel has been doped and drying...




Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Hepcat on August 22, 2018, 10:14:07 AM
When a young man concentrates so well to get a high standard of workmanship it seems a pity to cover the model with tissue from a shoe box or from around a bunch of flowers.  Surely he is worth some genuine 'Esaki' and an introduction to 'wet covering' on the fuselage. :)
John


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Ex Member on August 22, 2018, 12:39:45 PM
Hi John,

It is genuine Esaki...

Even with its wet strength, I am not sure he has a delicate enough touch to use it wet.  I will teach him all I know, but all in good time, baby steps!  ;D

Andrew


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Pete Fardell on August 22, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
Never mind 'Could I have done as well as this at his age?'...  Sometimes my covering doesn't go as well as that now! Great work, Jimbo; keep it up!


Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Ex Member on August 23, 2018, 08:04:52 AM
Thanks Pete, that is very kind.  I told him about your comments, he was really pleased especially because he knows you from the Nats last year...

We’ll continue the build when we get back.  We brought it with us expecting he usual mix of good weather with occasional rainy or cloudy days that you get in the Loire.  But the weather has been so good this year that (understandably) the pool has had a bigger draw on us!  ;D

Andrew



Title: Re: Jimbo’s First Stick and Tissue Build - Guillows Hurricane
Post by: Crabby on August 23, 2018, 09:26:01 AM
Reliving my early to late modeling trajectory.... The Jetco ROG, The Thermic 36, the Carl Goldberg Ranger 28, The Guillows Nieuport 28, Guillow's Fokker DVIII, Guillow's this Guillows that, Age 13. The mid teens to early 50's abyss, emerged with wife, kids, my third house, a beer gut, and a strong desire to wade into the ocean and try to swim to Portugal. Balsa called back and here I AM, happily married, grown kids, and a happily cluttered workbench, and models that actually fly. It will be interesting to observe young James' trajectory, balance him, wind him, launch, adjust, and watch him hit the life thermals!