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Title: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on May 17, 2019, 09:47:24 AM
https://volareproducts.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_18&products_id=1131

I have one of these inbound tomorrow from George. As many times as I have cruised his site buying many parts, accessories, and kits I missed this one. In all my search efforts I haven't found any building threads or built models for reference not unless I missed something.

The description is short on the site:

A 25" span WWII-eligible Swiss fighter from the Bill Henn plan.

It's a short kit and I'll have to make the canopy myself. That's not a problem for me as I have done it many times being a professional modeler and have a studio and shop with many vacuum forms and a couple of wood lathes for making the spinner.

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It's a nice looking plane and a rarely modeled WW2 airplane.

If anyone has built one please chime in or point me to docummetation on a build if you know of one.

This could be flown outdoors but where I live it's rarely clam enough except at 6 in the morning. It should make a good indoor model with good trim.

Here is a video of the actual plane:

https://youtu.be/r0veWIf5_wQ







Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on May 17, 2019, 10:18:45 AM
BTW I'll be making the canopies, wheel pods, and the spinners for this kit. Since George hates vacuum forming I'll just send him some to add to his kits. ;)


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on May 19, 2019, 12:57:27 PM
I must have cruised George Bredehoft’s wonderful Volare Products website a 100 times before but in all that time I never discovered this particular kit. In fact like the Breda 88 I had never heard of it before. The EKW-C-3606 in all my WW2 aircraft knowledge escaped me.

I researched the plane and found various things about it’s history but what really sold me on wanting to build the plane was the video I posted.

Everyone builds Pony’s and Spits. I do myself, we love them but the more unusual and less modeled aircraft the more it really appeals to me. This fit the bill nicely. I love the looks and the twin rudders.

I have bought quite a few of George’s kits and they are all delightful. Laser cut and very finely made. The plans are beautiful and any seasoned builder will have little difficulty making a fine model from any of his kits. You can find his website listed on our vendors page.

It is a short kit which means you supply the covering, make your own canopy, spinner and supply the 1/16th square stock. The coast of the short kit is 15 dollars which is quite a deal for a 25 inch span WW2 warbird like this.

I’m going to build this for indoor use mostly but it will make a great outdoor model too. Just no DT this time.

I want to mention that George is great at customer care going above board to answer any and all of your questions at such length and detail I have taken to printing them out and putting in my hard copy binder of “Things to Know ” about building and flying free flight model airplanes.

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To see more visit my website where I will also have the build thread that will have more pictures and videos as I progress. 

https://theventuramodelaviators.home.blog/volare-products-ekw-c-3606/

I'm looking so forward to this build as always.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: lincoln on May 19, 2019, 06:52:34 PM
I like the obscure ones as well. For one thing, most didn't kill as many people. (If one abstains from military mass launches, one skips quite a few.) My favorite is probably the VG-33, which I think was mostly defensive.  Years ago, I even talked (or at least I think it was me) GHQ into approving the VG-33 for WW2 mass launch. (See FAC News, Jan '07 aka issue 233). There's a Koutny plan for a VG-39, but I haven't seen one specifically for the VG-33, except for a cartoony RC one from RCM. Fortunately, I seem to recall they are pretty close.
https://freeflightarchive.com/images/world_war_2_plans_pics/arsenalvg_39.pdf?type=file

Usually, though, when I find an interesting one, it was only a prototype and never flew in combat. Sigh. This is especially true for WW! subjects. For instance, the LLoyd 40.16 or the Aviatik Berg D.ii   (ok, it was "evaluated at the front". Can we argue that means combat? I hate wires.

Will be interesting to follow your progress.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on May 21, 2019, 12:53:31 AM
Lincoln thanks. About as much as I got done today was the plans pinned to the building board and all the parts laid out.

That's another plane from this era I knew nothing about. Thanks for sharing.

I'm also planning a TA-183 FF build. I scratch built and EDF version for RC back in 2006 that flew quite well.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on May 25, 2019, 12:49:06 AM
I managed a whole 2 hours in today. This is a very smooth build as George Bredehoft's  Volare Products laser cut kit is excellent, well thought out and precisely cut.

I got the fuselage started and I can't wait to close it off tomorrow and add the outside formers for the contouring and the longerhorns.

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Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on May 26, 2019, 12:20:17 PM
Day two on the build was about two more hours. At my studio the second story is set up for building and storing kits and materials for just my RC and FF model builds. I can sneak up there and take a break from building the big movie models down stairs. It’s cozy, carpeted and has excellent lighting and came with a wall of angled tables when I moved into the place 6 years ago now, hard to believe.

But in those two hours it's quiet (except for music, yesterday it was Philip Glass) and peaceful so in that short time I manage to get a lot done. The place gives me real focus.

The fuse I thought was nice and square until I removed it from the board and found a twist in the nose. No problem I just got out my tiny scissors and did some snipping and readjusted things to my eye and got it square and true. I have found using the Exacto to do this can have disastrous results. Never cut towards yourself, yah right we do it anyway and zip Bing you’re bleeding. Worse the glue at the joint resists the blade going though it and you manage to trash the other longerhorns in the process. So I have found that the super sharp tiny little scissors do the best job. Or fine wire cutters because in most cases there will be one stringer that’s either too long or two short that’s causing the twist or distortion in you otherwise nice and square build.

I got as far as adding the side and top formers that give the plane its rounded shape. I used wood glue and while still wet added the longer horns long enough to line up all the slots. I learned long ago to do this when in one of my earlier builds that the longerhorns looked like the Mississippi river if you don't.

It's an exciting build (I guess they all are, are they not?) I can't wait to get the rest of the formers on, top, bottom and sides. Then add the longerhorns to start getting a look at the lovely rounds in this fuselage.

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Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: rgroener on May 27, 2019, 01:31:21 AM
Steveneill, great plane you are building.
I like the C-36 series and built the Turbo prop version of it (C-3605).
You are aware of the other C36 thread on HPA? https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=21289.0 (https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=21289.0)

I didn't know that there is a short kit for the C3603 version. The C3605 version flies nicely, but the nose is very long... I planed to build the shorter nose version you are doing now. I am sure this will be a great flyer!

I am looking forward to see your build.

Roman


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on May 27, 2019, 01:36:52 AM
Thanks Roman I wasn't aware of the build I'll go check it out.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on May 27, 2019, 01:44:20 AM
Starting to add the stringers. It's really taking on a nice shape.

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Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on May 28, 2019, 10:06:22 AM
More progress. Fuse is all framed up with the nose block and plug in place. Time to go to m LHS and pick up some more longerhorns and a solid balsa block to make the canopy form for vacuum forming. Another for the wood lathe so I can make the spinner. Meanwhile frame up the tails.

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Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on May 29, 2019, 12:33:00 AM
Day four of the build as I move on to the wing. Very straightforward and all parts fit well.  I should finish the wing tomorrow.

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Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on May 30, 2019, 12:28:09 AM
The wing is all framed up and fits quite well into the slot in the fuse. I have yet to put the cross stringers in place in the wing saddles but now that I see the wing actually slides in I'm good to place them in.

Tails are next.

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Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: Don McLellan on May 30, 2019, 01:46:05 AM
Good grief Steve, you do build quickly!  Beautiful work and looking forward to more progress pics.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: OZPAF on May 30, 2019, 03:30:58 AM
Agree with Don - I would be still thinking about it :) Lovely shots Steve - it looks like a born flyer.

John


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on May 30, 2019, 09:44:47 AM
Thanks guys. I have built for a living for over 40 years now. All kinds of stuff for movies, some you saw and didn't know I did. And at age 67 I'm still at it but don't know for how much longer. Building big movie models is getting to be harder thing to do.

If I don't spend an hour at the end of the day upstairs at the building benches I think I'd lose my nut. This is my basket weaving.



Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on May 31, 2019, 12:34:40 AM
Almost got the tails built before it was time to go home. Tomorrow I'l start the canopy form fro vacuum forming.

The horizontal stab is lift with ribs. The spar is notched. It took little time to frame up.

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Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on June 01, 2019, 12:58:57 AM
I only got a half hour today darn it. But I lathed the spinner and started the balsa form for the three part canopy. This block will be cut into three sections, sanded to shape and then glued back together. After that I'll make a mold and pour up and Ultracal 30 tool stone plug and sand that to a smooth surface. This will give me a better quality and more optically clear canopy than using balsa alone.

More tomorrow. I plan two hours tomorrow. ;)

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Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: OZPAF on June 03, 2019, 04:15:55 AM
Looks great - it's a hard life :)

John


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: rgroener on June 03, 2019, 06:18:12 AM
Nice bones, the typical C36 shape is distinctive.
Have you already an idea about the colours?

I am looking forward to see how you mold the canopy. Its one of the parts I am struggling regularly.

Keep the news coming...

Roman


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on June 03, 2019, 10:39:37 AM
Thanks Roman. Green. Sky blue.

Here's how I do canopies part 1.

This is a process some of you may not be aware of. It starts with the balsa plug but I don’t use it for making the actual canopy. I don’t like the rough look and sometimes wood grain that shows up in many canopies.
To fix this I make a mold using either RTV silicone (which is costly for a one off) or just use dental alginate (used for casting teeth for dental impressions). It’s cheap. Mix’s up like plaster. Sets up quickly and is very flexible like silicone. It is an organic material so it can only be used once to get a product and then you throw it away.

Because it’s flexible it will distort. So you need to make a mother mold around it which is easily done using either plaster bandage gauze or just plain plaster. When it sets up you can remove the balsa form from the mold easily and pour up either plaster or better yet and tool stone such as Ultracal 30 which is a very hard gypsum product which mixes in water same as plaster or any gypsum product such as plaster or tool stones. These stones are harder and more durable than plaster.

When that hardens you can sand this to a glassy perfect surface and you vacuum form you canopy with that. I wet sand it and buff it until it shines.
 
This all comes from my many years as a creature and model maker for the movies. But it all applies well to this hobby.

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The impression material or alginate

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Plug read to cast.

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This is the plaster bandage over the impression material to support it.

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Ultracal 30 I by big bags of this to use for making molds for cast masks and foam rubber prosthetics but it has man other uses.

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After the plaster bandage sets up I removed the mold from the casting surface. You can see the balsa form inside. All you do is get a finger nail into the balsa and pull.

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Came out easy now I'm ready to mix the stone up and pour it into the mold.

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Ultracal 30 in the molds sitting level. It takes about 30 minutes to set up.

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30 minutes later I pulled the plug out. I'll put this in a convection oven at 175 and bake it for about 4 hours to get all the moisture out before sanding.

More tomorrow.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: fred on June 03, 2019, 11:25:22 AM
Vacuforming; I've found that leaving the First pull on the plug,
 then doing a second pull on top of it equals a very finely polished plug result..  sans the polishing chore.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: MKelly on June 03, 2019, 11:41:36 AM
Appreciate you sharing this method Steve - particularly useful to have a cast plug like that for for parts you'll have to make multiples of.  Your 3603 is coming along very nicely - I (along with all the other contestants there) got this short kit at last year's FAC Outdoor Champs in Muncie.  It'll be the one-design subject at the Outdoor Champs this fall - unfortunately I won't make that meet as I'm spending my kitchen pass to go to WESTFAC.  If you get the chance you should go to Muncie for Outdoor Champs/Ted Dock meets this September - it is a great event with great people, and the AMA field in Muncie is a superb flying environment. 

Mike



Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on June 04, 2019, 01:20:50 AM
Fred and Mike thank you very much for your comments. I would sure love to do that but it's one hell of a drive in the motor home out there from California. I'm planning on being at WESTFAC with any luck and a strong breeze.

I pulled a 060 canopy today to use as a cutting guide for the 020 I plan to pull next. With the thick canopy it retains it's shape very well so when you trim it to fit the fuse you can be sure it's cut right and fits correctly. I did a lot of trimming and grinding with the dremel. In the end it fit perfect to my amazement and will now use this thick and heavy canopy to cut the flexible and thin actual canopy.

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Getting ready to drop the PETG.

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Just pulled and cooling.

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Fits great.

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Spinner is next and for that I'm pulling out the big guns! LOL How many of you still have one of these? For small parts they work great.  This is an original 60's model like me. ;)



Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: rgroener on June 04, 2019, 04:35:10 AM
Wow, thanks for this detailed explanation. It looks so easy... Somehow I know, that it only looks so.  ::)
Anyway I should give it one more try and just do it.

It's coming allong nicely. nearly ready for covering :)


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on June 04, 2019, 09:46:15 AM
Thank you and from this planes home country as well. ;) It is easy. You just have to try it a few times and then it becomes that.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: FFScott on June 04, 2019, 07:06:29 PM
Thanks for the tutorial on canopy making.  That was very helpful.

Can't wait to see the TA-183 build when you do it.  How will you power it?


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on June 05, 2019, 12:42:16 AM
Thanks Scott a small electric fan.

I was able to pull the actual canopy but found I had no 020 available in my supply other than this small piece just large enough to accommodate the canopy. So I used a small vacuum form I have. A friend of mine Eliot Brown use to make these in 4 sizes and sent all four to me. I rarely use them as  the large industrial does all the big stuff but this little one came in handy.

This is the type where you place the tray in an oven, pull it out and drop it over the form and hit the dust collector which has more horsepower than a standard shop vac. Sucked it right down and worked great.

Then I pulled the Mattel out and made the spinner. Worked like a charm.

Next I started in on those valve covers and got one done. Tomorrow I'll do the other and the exhaust.

It's about time to cover before I can go much further. I still need to to the retracted wheel blisters.



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Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: OZPAF on June 05, 2019, 06:28:54 AM
Thank you for sharing Steve - much appreciated and it has been filed away.

John


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on June 09, 2019, 12:53:20 AM
You are most welcome.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on June 30, 2019, 11:49:41 AM
Finally I'm back from building the 2001 space station. What a long haul it was building that huge model from scratch.

So...George Bredehoft suggested that I sheet between the stingers the forward section of the fuse for better handling and mounting of the various scoops, intakes, and valve cover blisters on this model. He didn't tell me what a pain in the rear it would be. Geez Louise what a slow me down but I finished it yesterday and it's back to building and covering fun!

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The discoloring you are seeing is balsa fill.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 02, 2019, 12:21:50 AM
Started covering today and before I knew it it was covered. Pre-srinked only tomorrow I'll dope the plane. I got to say this Volare kit George made uo is a dream build. No complaints here it make me look good but it's really the kit.

Now that it is covered I can make the bottom intake scoops and ad the blisters and exhaust.

The slide in wing fits like a glove and I did nothing to make it fit that well it's all in the kit. Everything is true and level on all surfaces.

The underside is gray but will be eventually paint sky blue.

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Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: MKelly on July 03, 2019, 06:20:41 PM
Looking good Steve.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: OZPAF on July 03, 2019, 08:13:20 PM
I think you will need a DT on that nice model Steve.

John


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 05, 2019, 10:27:31 AM
It's for indoor don't forget.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: OZPAF on July 06, 2019, 08:31:54 PM
Then you have a chance Steve :D Beautiful work - your canopy looks great.

John


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 06, 2019, 10:35:11 PM
A chance I won't hit the ceiling. ;) Thanks John


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 09, 2019, 12:26:03 AM
Well it looks rough at this stage but I got the exhaust built, reshaped the valve cover blisters again and the nose. Added the radiator intake underneath and the small scoop. The retracted landing gear and those damn wing filets. I hate them. I'm no darn good at them. I do alright with larger RC builds where I can use balsa but I find the bind paper challenging.

I doped everything and I still need to add some tissue over the filets. Then I can airbrush the green and shy blue to really make it pop. I plan to stencil and airbrush paint the markings.

Getting there.

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0760.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0762.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0765.jpg)



Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: strat-o on July 09, 2019, 04:23:24 PM
That looks great Steve.  It's such an odd yet cool plane. What kind of paint do you plan to use over the dope?


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 09, 2019, 05:38:59 PM
Thanks. Just Testors Model Masters acrylics.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 10, 2019, 01:09:39 AM
Got the plane painted with Testors Model Masters acrylics. To me it worth the weight increase over the doped colored tissue look. AUW is 1.75 oz.

I gave it a test glide today and found it glides very well. It's a natural born flyer. It went out level into a bit of a head wind and settled in to a nice decent and landing on the lawn.

Still a lot to do. Painting the markings are next. I ended up masking the canopy as the trim tape just wasn't cutting it for me.

Will be adding the Gizmo Geezer Nose bearing and prop tomorrow too.

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0772.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0774.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0776.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0785.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0783.jpg)





Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: Bredehoft on July 10, 2019, 07:15:19 AM
I keep looking for the "like" button!

looks great, Steve!

--george


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 10, 2019, 09:32:47 AM
I have a forum and it uses the same software. I have a like button, heart and a bunch of other stuff. it's for modeling  and props of all kinds.  https://sngstudio.createaforum.com/

Hey George she really flies!


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: PB_guy on July 10, 2019, 11:32:59 AM
Photobucket  :P.
I like the lines of this model. I didn't know why I liked it so much until I remembered a Frog Linnet that I had modified a couple of years ago. They have similar proportions.
{We seem to have replaced the 'Like' button with 'Kudos'}
ian


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 10, 2019, 12:01:27 PM
The watermark is new. Don't know why as I pay for my account. Weird.

testing


All gone.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 10, 2019, 12:15:21 PM
Ah my account went up today and I just renewed. Hopefully the watermarks will be removed soon.

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0783.jpg)


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: OZPAF on July 10, 2019, 08:35:27 PM
That's a nice collection Steve. Impressive looking Sinbad!

John


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 11, 2019, 10:10:58 AM
Thanks OZPAF .

The  recommended 9 inch prop and using the Gizmo Geezer nose button didn't work out so well. I forgot about the increased distance between the nose of the plane and the back of the spinner it causes. I'll be removing it and going with a standard bearing and the old shimming method to get my down thrust and right trust adjustments.

Without the rubber motor Im at 2 oz. AUW. Not bad considering the added paint and lots of wood parts and bits to the plane. At a 25 inch span my wing loading it good.

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0805.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0806.jpg)

Had I been thinking ahead I would have made a recessed nose plug. Next time.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: Bredehoft on July 11, 2019, 10:23:28 AM
you could keep the GG nose bearing and make a deeper spinner, going beyond the back of the prop and closer to the fuselage.

but, i agree, I have started recessing my GG nosebuttons to try to eliminate some of that gap.

--g


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 11, 2019, 10:55:13 AM
George yes that was my first thought. Lathe another and vacuum form it. It would be quite longer than the scale spinner and that would bug me. The nose plug as you know is very easy to shim so I'll save the GG for another build. Say the Judy? I have a few of your kits to do.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 12, 2019, 10:14:49 AM
Actually George I did the reverse. I buried the nose bearing a bit in a ring and left the spinner the same size. Sort of split the difference and it looks better.

Next to add the markings.



(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0820.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0823.jpg)


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: Work In Progress on July 15, 2019, 01:13:39 AM
Such a handsome and well-balanced design. I like it very much.
Is that a Dave Livesay Defiant behind it, or someone else's design?


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 15, 2019, 09:32:29 AM
Thanks very much. That's a GAR kit from Peck Polymer.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 23, 2019, 12:37:31 AM
I thought I did all the graphics but unlike US planes most european aircraft in WW2 have their markings on both wings. So I have to add another to the right wing panel. I added the glare shield too. Tomorrow I hope to mark the ailerons, flaps, rudder and elevators. 

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/Fokker%20DVII%20Herr%20RC%20conversion/IMG-0896.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/Fokker%20DVII%20Herr%20RC%20conversion/IMG-0897.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/Fokker%20DVII%20Herr%20RC%20conversion/IMG-0894.jpg)

And I have the tires and wheels to pain too.

Hoping to fly this or trim fly it this Sunday.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: Bredehoft on July 23, 2019, 05:52:22 AM
A few of these were flying this past week in Geneseo -they fly pretty well - I saw several up pretty high.

--george


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 23, 2019, 09:32:52 AM
Thanks George. That's good to know.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: mescal1 on July 23, 2019, 10:07:45 AM
Mine flew great.  I like slow lazy flights and flew mine on a 9in prop with a long loop of 1/4 super sport.  Longest flight was over 2 minutes.  Average flights around 90 sec.  Biggest adjustment was adding about 3/64" up elevator.
Mike


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 23, 2019, 10:17:42 AM
Thanks Mike. Any pictures or video? My tail is glued down. Maybe I should add Gurney flaps?

Mine on an unpowered glide built to the plans was very smooth and level with a slow descent and belly landing.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: Indoorflyer on July 23, 2019, 11:22:19 AM
Tack stab in place initially with Sigment/Duco. Soften/debond joint at TE with acetone. Shim as needed during test glides. I never use CA on tail glue joints that may need shimmed. If the stab fits into a slot, the slot can be built with a slight "V" shape to allow shimming @ TE. A sanding stick can also be used to "open up" the slot if needed.
(A thin shim is less tailweight than gurney strips)


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 24, 2019, 12:45:40 AM
Thanks for the suggestion. The test glides have been good as is but of course that can all change once I add power to the mix.

I tried to remove the stab but t was getting scary. It doesn't want to go peacefully.

Made a motor for it today. 4 strands and about 6 grams. Plane without motor was 2 oz. CG is right on the money without nose or tail weight. Imagine that.

Got more markings on she still needs lots of work but flyable for Sunday at the Grassy Knoll.

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0905%201.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0903.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0902.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG-0907%201.jpg)

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Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: Indoorflyer on July 24, 2019, 01:24:08 AM
That looks great Steve! If the glide looks good, thrustline adjustments may be all that is req'd under power. Have a good session at the Grassy Knoll!


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 24, 2019, 09:14:48 AM
Thanks so much!


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: Don McLellan on July 24, 2019, 04:13:32 PM
Beautiful work Steve.  Any model that looks that good has to be a good flyer!


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 24, 2019, 04:38:46 PM
Thanks Don! Here's always hoping. ;)


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: mescal1 on July 26, 2019, 04:55:35 PM
Hi Steve,
Here's a picture of mine.  Longest flight was 2:05, averaged flights of 90 sec.  Like I said, I like lazy slow flights, the other 3603's were climbing a lot higher
than mine with more power.  I did have a run-in with a golf cart, you can see the field repair on the inside right wing root.  Darn thing wouldn't come down
on a test flight and I was too close to the canopies.  Spinner isn't attached, I had an 8" prop when I started but changed to the 9.5" on the field.  It's painted
with Design Master spray paint (basil) which is why it's a lighter green than it should be.  Mine glided great as well but during the power flights it would start
to climb then tuck it's nose towards the ground and never recover.  The up elevator cured that.  I believe a few others added it as well.  Good luck with yours,
it looks great and all the ones I saw were flying well, I'll bet yours does too!
Mike


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: Walt on July 26, 2019, 11:35:04 PM
Steve- great build!  Mike, yours looks great as well.  I should mention that Mike took first place in the event at the Non-Nats in Geneseo- congrats again Mike!
  Ive been flying mine on a loop of 1/16 and a loop of 3/16, on a 9" carved prop.  It had some decent flights but no maxes.  I'm going to try a new prop tomorrow.
Wally


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on July 27, 2019, 12:41:35 AM
Mike and Walt. Thanks for your posts.

Mike your EKW looks great! Thank you both.


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: steveneill on October 03, 2019, 10:33:26 AM
Still flying this wonderful great flyer. I need to go back to it after I finish the 109 and do more detailing. She's worth the effort. Trim flights were good right off the bat. Got a few orbits of the field and will be going back for longer flights.

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG_0952small.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG_0956small.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/IMG_0955small.jpg)

As was even in a mass launch.

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/mass%20launch%200.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/mass%20launch%203.jpg)

(https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l114/U-812/EKW%20C%20-%203606/mass%20launch%202.jpg)



Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: Bredehoft on October 03, 2019, 12:58:03 PM
great stuff!

--george


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: OZPAF on October 04, 2019, 06:05:58 AM
Fun!

John


Title: Re: EKW C-3603 - My next build
Post by: rgroener on November 06, 2019, 01:21:51 AM
Great pics, thanks for sharing. It looks great in the air!