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Title: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on November 24, 2020, 08:16:33 PM
If this hasn't been posted already -- would people be interested in a cookup in honor of Mike Nassise and the decades of Tailspin plans he put out? Something pretty loose for the 20-21 building season, resizing or modifications welcome. I'm looking at his Taylorcraft Auster Mk1 plan right now, attaching a few photos (apologies about the quality) of some of his stuff I've built in the past that has all flown really well.

Oliver


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on November 24, 2020, 10:22:47 PM
I'd be up for that!

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Walt on November 24, 2020, 11:11:44 PM
I think this is a great idea!
Wally


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 25, 2020, 05:17:14 AM
Yes, I would be interested ... I mentioned it in the Nassise plan thread a day or so ago coincidentally   :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 25, 2020, 05:33:46 AM
Something that has restricted UK interest in Mike's designs I think, is the lack of competitions for dimers ... and perhaps the lack of an undercarriage .... BUT, there is a new competition for No-Cal models at the UK indoor scale Nats. I understand that Mike designed many No-Cal models? I would be interested in building a No-Cal if they are included, as well as a couple of dimers!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: billdennis747 on November 25, 2020, 06:01:55 AM
I think no-cal was tried at the UK Indoor Nats some years ago but there was little interest then.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 25, 2020, 06:09:44 AM
Bill,
I am right in saying that it has been re-introduced though?
I see plenty of interest in no-cal at 'fun flyer' level .... at least I did. What emerges at the end of this situation is anyone's guess though.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: billdennis747 on November 25, 2020, 06:17:44 AM
Bill,
I am right in saying that it has been re-introduced though?
Quote
I wouldn't know, Russ, sorry.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 25, 2020, 06:26:40 AM
No problem Bill, I must admit I have lost my way with the indoor scale Nats being cancelled this year before all the new rules were first used.
The indoor duration Nats do have a no-cal comp too.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Merlinboy on November 25, 2020, 07:04:12 AM
Hi Russ,

You are absolutely correct; a No-Cal profile scale class was added to the BMFA rules for the 2020 season.
 
 To be Eligible models will need to have a maximum wingspan of 16” and a minimum model weight (excluding motor) of 6g.

Obviously the cancellation of this year’s competition meant the class couldn’t be run for the first time but fingers crossed for 2021!

Best wishes,

Paul


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 25, 2020, 08:07:00 AM
Thanks Paul ... yes, fingers crossed.

I had my reservations about the rule and class changes .... but after the Covid situation, everything will be a bit different. Looking forward to a new approach.
Here's hoping for 2021!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 25, 2020, 08:14:18 AM
Oliver,
I will make at least one dimer, a larger model and a no-cal to get the numbers up!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on November 25, 2020, 11:36:21 AM
Great to hear there's some interest! Mike has done a number of designs with U/C, simplified scale style and maybe mostly high wingers. His PA-20 Cigale from 2015 or so has some super clean lines, also on my mind. Russ, that'll be a good fleet and probably all fly well too.

Looking forward to seeing some builds and I'll post my own when I decide on a plan. At the moment I'm repairing an old Jumbo model, Nassise bones are next when that gets to covering stage.

Oliver


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 25, 2020, 12:20:38 PM
For easy access here is a copy of the link that Indoorflyer posted on the Nassise plans thread. It contains a link for a PDF plans list:

  http://modelaviation.com/ff-scale-no66  (http://modelaviation.com/ff-scale-no66)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on November 25, 2020, 01:39:38 PM
Thanks for sending Russ! I must've missed that thread. There's at least 3 of his plans available online, search keyword "Nassise" on Outerzone

Oliver


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on November 25, 2020, 02:08:00 PM
There's a handful in the Cloudbusters Newsletter too:

Martin M0-1 & Miles M-18:
http://cloudbustermac.tripod.com/webonmediacontents/2013MayJun.pdf

Cessna Airmaster & Cessna AW:
http://cloudbustermac.tripod.com/webonmediacontents/2013JulAug.pdf

Kind of tempted to join in as I've always admired Mike's designs.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on November 25, 2020, 03:01:23 PM
Thanks for sending Jon, lots of tempting stuff in those as well


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on November 25, 2020, 03:16:06 PM
Count me in; I can’t resist a scale-based cookup! Not sure when I might start or what I might build, but it looks like there’re plenty of interesting choices to mull over in the meantime!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Squirrelnet on November 25, 2020, 03:16:35 PM
Great idea for a Cookup Oliver


Thanks Jon - I was thinking I had too many projects on the go to take on another... but the Miles M18 does look tempting. Maybe I could squeeze another one in ...  very tempting


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dosco on November 25, 2020, 03:46:43 PM
I'm interested. The entirety of possible plans ... frustratingly unavailable.

Maybe some more folks will post Nassise plans ...

Cheers-
Dave


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 25, 2020, 03:57:19 PM
Dave,
Yes, not as many as I had hoped are available, but I know a Nassise fan ....

At first look there are 3 on Outerzone including the Fulmar I have, a Cessna AW and another!

The P40 Warhawk is very popular ... the plans are in the plans section here.

I have others that are not mine to share without permission .... and I'm sure there must be Tailspin Newsletters out there.

The me109 was kitted by Bluebottle at one point.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on November 25, 2020, 04:20:44 PM
Does anyone have a copy of the 16" P-51A Mustang plan published in the March/April 2008 issue of the Tailspin Newsletter?
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Ace Dugan on November 25, 2020, 04:31:56 PM
I have one as a .pdf, so can't post here.  If you pm me your email, I'll send it along...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on November 25, 2020, 04:32:16 PM
Some more from the FAC:

Comper Swift: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue160.pdf

Honeybee Embryo: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue160.pdf

Tee Nee Sportstster (Electric): http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue168.pdf

Fiat G.50: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue224.pdf
(some parts for above: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue225.pdf)

Fairchild PT-19 Cornell: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue231.pdf

Curtiss SB2C Helldiver: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue235.pdf

DeHavilland Moth Minor: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue236.pdf

Ambrosini S.A.I. 207: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue237.pdf

Kawasaki Ki-61-1 Tony : http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue246.pdf

Caudron C.714: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue246.pdf

Bulgarian Avia B-135 : http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue246.pdf

Hawker Tempest Mk 1: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue252.pdf

Nocal R-1 Chambermaid: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue255.pdf

Gonzo Embryo: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue255.pdf

P-47 Thunderbolt: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/FACN270.pdf

Bristol Scout Type D: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/FACN278.pdf
(and missing page: http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/FACN279.pdf)

Big thanks to Lincoln for his searchable index! :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on November 25, 2020, 04:36:48 PM
The me109 was kitted by Bluebottle at one point.
Ah now that IS interesting! Is that this same pseudo dime scale Messerschmidt I finished in Tintin book colours a few years ago? I somehow lost the plan afterwards, and would love to get hold of another copy. Still fly this occasionally, and still love the way the design captures the Me109 shape so well in only a few lines. (In my opinion anyway.)

Hey, does this mean I’ve already finished!?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 25, 2020, 04:38:26 PM
I've started looking through my old 'Livesay' CD .... I have found the Cessna AW but nothing else yet.

I have done a lot of work on the P40 and would like to make another .... covering has started since this shot.

There's a couple more that I have been preparing.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 25, 2020, 04:43:29 PM
Pete, yes! You have indeed finished one!
Bluebottle John had a few things in the pipeline with Mike Nassise. The 109 was the first to emerge.



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 25, 2020, 04:57:19 PM
Pete .... a shot of the original plan.
I haven't the plan to distribute freely I'm afraid.

I still have Steve Bage's build .... it was flying superbly until a mid-air!



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 25, 2020, 05:05:03 PM
I missed your post Jon ... fantastic. I can't wait to get that lot downloaded!
That saves me pestering someone for the G.50 ... that's hitting the top of the list now.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: randoloid on November 25, 2020, 05:12:14 PM
I'm in for sure.  The first big hurdle will be trying to decide which one to build.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on November 26, 2020, 12:21:34 PM
Thanks for the plans, Jon, and I'm glad there's more interest! Now I'm looking at his Bellanca Junior dimer from 2013. I can send plans over email if someone else is interested.

Oliver


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on November 26, 2020, 12:55:28 PM
I am in with the Mustang P-51A
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on November 26, 2020, 01:21:26 PM
I'll join with a Beaver - just have to decide if I want to enlarge it like Pete did with his Mooney Beaver.

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 26, 2020, 01:32:31 PM
My shortlist ... though I'd love to work through them all.

Fiat G.50 ... probably enlarged like Walrus's ( I think) shown in the plans thread.
Boulton Paul Defiant ... shown to me by Walrus again!
Both of these larger than dimes ... and I forgot that the Defiant has an undercarriage, so that might come first for indoor.

The Chambermaid No-Cal

Two Bluebottle variants of dimers .... I'd like to do the 109 too

You did say it was going to be a long running cook-up didn't you?!  ;D



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Kevin M on November 26, 2020, 02:03:05 PM
I'm keen to join in too, maybe the Bristol Scout or the Moth Minor. Not quite ready to start yet, a couple of others to finish first.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: the walrus on November 26, 2020, 02:26:23 PM
Hi Russ.
          Carefull with the Defiant !It was draw exclusively for Bluebottle and was not part of Mikes inventory of plans.
I have a slightly larger Fiat about 21" span or do you want larger. My effort was 24"
           Cheers.
                     John.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 26, 2020, 05:09:12 PM
Hi John,
Sorry .... I saw it on the list in the link posted earlier .... thought that it was in the 'public domain'   :-[ .... I nearly messaged you as well. It'll have to be the G.50 ... I can scale it from the FAC PDF.
Cheers.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 27, 2020, 01:53:20 PM
An almost complete rework of my list .... a fresh new start in each case:
Kawasaki Tony 19" from issue 246 of the FAC Newsletter.
French Caudron 16" from the same issue.
Chambermaid No-Cal


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on November 28, 2020, 07:29:42 AM
Well that's odd. I'd begun to settle on doing the Fairchild PT-19 so I did a quick check to see if there was any distortion on the scan...

The wing outline is nice and symmetrical - but the centre section is offset to the left by about 1/8"! In other words the right wing is bigger.

Do you think this is intentional as a trimming aid?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on November 28, 2020, 11:00:33 AM
Very strange. I noticed the same thing with my Bellanca Junior, although the difference was more on the order of 1/16" than 1/8". I think I'll correct it, and use right wingtip weight if necessary.

Oliver


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 28, 2020, 11:08:06 AM
I must admit that I trace most plans in CAD these days to get scans tidied up ... I use the plan as a PDF underlay.
If irregularities were intentional then I have overridden them!

Saying that, I was tracing the Caudron wings last night and they were pretty good bar a bit of distortion in the port wing.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on November 28, 2020, 11:41:15 AM
Well that's odd. I'd begun to settle on doing the Fairchild PT-19 so I did a quick check to see if there was any distortion on the scan...

The wing outline is nice and symmetrical - but the centre section is offset to the left by about 1/8"! In other words the right wing is bigger.

Do you think this is intentional as a trimming aid?

I really doubt that.  It is inconsistent with the FAC "pseudo dime scale" mindset. No offense: It's easy to over-think it! Dime scale/pseudo dime scale models are meant to represent what the typical school boy of the 1930s, 1940s would build with his allowance money!

Our hypothetical schoolboy likely would *never* put a zero-center scale on a plan and measure things; the model would simply get built, probably in a time frame that would amaze most of us "modern" builders!   Who knows; maybe it is a little joke that MN played on us; homage to the old hand-drawn kit plans that were reproduced on primitive printing systems... Many people will just pin the plan down and start building, while some of us will "study" it. Maybe it's a subtle way of saying don't worry about it--just "build it according to the plan."  (there was discussion in a Facebook group about another Nassise plan, where somebody discovered a similar asymmetry--maybe the Helldiver plan?  Several people chimed in, saying they discovered the "error" after building and flying the plane, mentioning that it didn't seem to make any difference in the flying qualities of the model)

Hand lettered markings, cutting out paper insignia from the plan, etc. are all in the spirit of dime scale. There is no advantage or reason to "clean up a plan" before building the model. I think this is a key element of the category, and why it is hard for folks to get into the "spirit" of things. It's a hard concept for me personally, but I can understand why the rules are written they way they are.

The most egregious oxymoron is "laser-cut dime scale model covered with printed tissue"   ;D

Edit: Just read Oliver's and Russ' posts.  I'm sticking with my "subtle joke" conspiracy theory!   Dime scale is a very complicated category for simple models!!  (Suggest reading the FAC rule book section pertaining to Dime/Pseudo-dime scale.)




Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on November 28, 2020, 11:45:47 AM
So, what is the starting date for this Cookup? And do we post our builds on this thread?
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 28, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
Indoorflyer,
I have to agree ... we do examine things a little too closely at times. As a lone aeromodeller, things were 'near enough is good enough' especially if something was getting done for the weekend. I still have a Wichita A2 glider I built at the age of 15 or 16 ... you can tell the bits that were rushed for that weekend's club competition ... but it still functioned very well.
Everything we do now is pretty well 'seen by the world' .... it subconsciously adds pressure I think.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 28, 2020, 01:51:48 PM
Ian,
I've already started unofficially, so I'm hoping it's anytime from now?!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on November 28, 2020, 02:36:34 PM
Yes! I was thinking we’d post to this thread, start anytime, and have an open end date (Maybe Russ established the start date by starting already). I’ve never started a cookup before so feel free to let me know if I missed anything important.
I also did a bit last night on the Bellanca, pictures soon.

Oliver


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on November 28, 2020, 02:50:08 PM
Overthinking? Moi??

It's just strange in that there is no distortion that can explain it and I find it hard to believe it's an error. Wing assymetry for trimming is definitely a thing - even in full size aviation (although not a Dimer thing I grant you.) I just wondered if some of you FAC guys would know.

It does matter to me because I'm considering scaling it down to Peanut scale to fly indoors with a L/L pattern. In which case the bigger wing is on the wrong side.

I'll probably trace it out - in which case you can put me down for the PT-19 Oliver  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 28, 2020, 03:05:22 PM
Oliver,
If you followed the Mooney Cook-Up, you will have seen that Pete Fardell's son was employed as spreadsheet manager?!
Perhaps not so necessary at the moment, but if the numbers swell it is a good way of keeping track of things.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on November 29, 2020, 12:17:38 PM
I shall probably go with the Comper Swift. Enlarged a bit I expect.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on November 29, 2020, 01:57:33 PM
I would be quite OK with maintaining the lists in Excel format and updating as required.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on November 29, 2020, 04:22:22 PM
Hi all
I have never participated to a Cook-Up , but  I have been looking so long for a plan of SAI 207 ...
I would like to join.

Marco


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on November 29, 2020, 04:45:02 PM
Marco, Pete, Ian... great to hear of your interest! Ian, please go ahead if you'd like to start keeping track (but I'm starting with a Bellanca Junior, not an Auster). I'm probably not able to check this every day, but would also be happy to do a weekly or biweekly list update.

Looking ahead, but in previous cookups have people compiled finished builds along with information/builder in a photo album? Could be fun to do, or as a collage later in the cookup.

Oliver


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on November 29, 2020, 05:03:04 PM
Corrections and additions.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on November 29, 2020, 05:21:24 PM
That looks a decent list now ... it would be hard pressed to match the legendary Mooney Cookup, but I'm sure that more will join in.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on November 29, 2020, 07:03:33 PM
Hi, I'm definitely in with the Fairchild PT-19 Cornell. I've traced the plan to remove the distortion and printed it at peanut scale.

Jon


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on November 29, 2020, 07:57:34 PM
Welcome in Jon. That makes 7 so far. Come on in, the water is fine.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Crabby on November 29, 2020, 08:10:19 PM
I am in with the Ambrosini as soon as I finish the the Reliant I am on right now.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on November 29, 2020, 09:49:18 PM
I know I shouldn't before I finish other projects but I also have been thinking that a Nassise cookup would be good idea.

I'm in with the simple scale Nardi FN.305 trainer.

--Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kkphantom on November 30, 2020, 04:33:03 PM
The only plan I have in my stash is the Comper swift and it's been reduced to peanut size (downloaded it years ago from somewhere, can't remember) and I'm not able to print anything else out so put me down  for one of those please.
With a bit of luck, Pete will do a whole heap of research into colour schemes and I can shamelessly nick one of them.
Gary


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: FLYACE1946 on November 30, 2020, 04:38:14 PM
OK if I join in and build the Gonzo Embryo ? This will be fun too.  On the back of the Gonzo is the Chambermaid Nocal. Please add that to the list for my completion.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: faif2d on November 30, 2020, 05:00:35 PM
I have a copy of the Cessna AW-10 that I will try to do.  I have blown it up but the sticks still look small and tight to me.  I hope it goes better than the one I started for the Mooney cook up.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on November 30, 2020, 05:35:52 PM
Great! We are now up to 12  :)
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: lincoln on November 30, 2020, 10:15:20 PM
For easy access here is a copy of the link that Indoorflyer posted on the Nassise plans thread. It contains a link for a PDF plans list:

  http://modelaviation.com/ff-scale-no66  (http://modelaviation.com/ff-scale-no66)

I was just looking through that list. A fair number are NOT Nasisse designs. For instance, the "Caproni PM-1" is by Richard Zapf. I'm nearly certain that it's really a CNA PM-1. Still looks like an interesting airplane, though I don't think that skinny wing is right for peanut. There are typos. The Tomasco Bivid is really Tomasco's Bird. I think Caudina  should be Cardinal, unless there's an oddball Cessna no one's ever heard of. Also "Caudvim" is really Caudron, and by Burd rather than Mike.

It's still a useful resource.

I'm sort of looking for something with a high aspect ratio to enlarge, but, from the Nassise designs I've checked so far, only the M.20 is high enough. Unfortunately, I don't like how it looks. A strutless Hurel Dubois rework of the Nardi  would be ideal. ;-)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on November 30, 2020, 11:18:04 PM
Thanks for that assessment Lincoln; I posted that link  without any commentary re all the typos. I was rather surprised that it was published without a very careful editor's eye for details.  I can't get too revved up about this cookup, since the "available" plans are so outnumbered by the unavailable ones. I never had a Tailspin  subscription; it would be a shame for his work to fade off into history. Maybe at some point the FAC could acquire the rights.

The  Nat'l Free Flight Society Digest also carried a few Nassise plans--those are considered "exclusive content."


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on December 01, 2020, 03:13:58 PM
The virus rules mean that for the first time in decades I'm not going anywhere this Christmas, so I thought I might make the best of it and try and build my Nassise Comper Swift over the festive break. Could be really nice... a mince pie and a glass of something cheery at my elbow, the building board across my lap and 'It's a Wonderful Life' flickering away on the box. Then I started thinking I might perhaps give the model itself a bit of a Christmas twist by giving it a non-scale Christmassy colour scheme and putting Santa Claus in the cockpit...
 Well I eventually rejected that last idea and started trawling the internet to find a proper scale scheme...

...when suddenly I came across this advert! I mean, what are the chances?!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dosco on December 01, 2020, 03:46:40 PM
The virus rules mean that for the first time in decades I'm not going anywhere this Christmas, so I thought I might make the best of it and try and build my Nassise Comper Swift over the festive break. Could be really nice... a mince pie and a glass of something cheery at my elbow, the building board across my lap and 'It's a Wonderful Life' flickering away on the box. Then I started thinking I might perhaps give the model itself a bit of a Christmas twist by giving it a non-scale Christmassy colour scheme and putting Santa Claus in the cockpit...
 Well I eventually rejected that last idea and started trawling the internet to find a proper scale scheme...

...when suddenly I came across this advert! I mean, what are the chances?!

A Christmas miracle!

-Dave


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 01, 2020, 04:59:47 PM
What are the odds??  ???  ;D

I would guess that this means that Santa is going to forego reindeer and move into the 20th (not the 21st) Century!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: lincoln on December 01, 2020, 05:17:35 PM
Thanks for that assessment Lincoln; I posted that link  without any commentary re all the typos. I was rather surprised that it was published without a very careful editor's eye for details.  I can't get too revved up about this cookup, since the "available" plans are so outnumbered by the unavailable ones. I never had a Tailspin  subscription; it would be a shame for his work to fade off into history. Maybe at some point the FAC could acquire the rights.

The  Nat'l Free Flight Society Digest also carried a few Nassise plans--those are considered "exclusive content."
I count somewhere between 22 and 25 plans available for download between Yak52's compilations, Outerzone, and Hip Pocket.

------
It's been computed that Santa's sleigh is capable,of at least Mach 3,000. The greatest hot rodder on Earth should probably stay with his own work.

Maybe some day, if  NASA is VERY good, they will get his technology as a gift, putting the entire solar system in reach and ending sonic booms.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: ffscale on December 01, 2020, 06:30:02 PM
I'm very tempted to jump in with the 16" Vought Kingfisher - in a pre-war US scheme of course - got to have yellow wings!

Mike S


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on December 01, 2020, 07:04:30 PM
I hope that you are tempted, Mike  :)
Any kind of undercarriage with it?

Pete,
I look forward to Santa's swift ride.

Good to see more joining in  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 01, 2020, 07:29:20 PM
Some early progress on the 16" 10-center Bellanca Jr. I'm going for a clean build, but using pretty random scraps of hard 1/16" for longerons etc. and keeping the build process in the spirit of dime scale. Part outlines were copied from tracing paper over the plan because I was short on paper, and wing ribs are eyeball-sanded and marked for notches with a ballpoint pen.

I soaked and pinned down the fuselage longerons in slightly exaggerated versions of the curved fuselage outline, but they still sprung back too much. Probably going to spray the fuselage sides (when complete but still pinned down) and let sit for a day or so. Things dry out quickly with the heat on.

That's a hilarious ad you found Pete, and welcome to everyone who's joined in the past couple days!

Oliver


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Ace Dugan on December 01, 2020, 08:30:07 PM
I'm in with the Curtiss P-40E Warhawk...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 01, 2020, 08:46:40 PM
Welcome Ace. If you don't like being number 13, I can change your number.

Oliver, rather than just soaking the balsa, you might try either soaking in windex, or boiling the strips first.

ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: lincoln on December 01, 2020, 09:02:00 PM
I'm very tempted to jump in with the 16" Vought Kingfisher - in a pre-war US scheme of course - got to have yellow wings!

Mike S
There's an ALL yellow scheme that was used by an Australian Antarctic expedition after the war. There's a profile of the Kingfisher here on Hip Pocket that includes the scheme. Might not be a good idea if your field has dandelions.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: ffscale on December 02, 2020, 05:07:59 AM
I hope that you are tempted, Mike  :)
Any kind of undercarriage with it?


The plan shows the fixed land undercarriage.  It's quite a chunky model for 16" as the wing is fairly low aspect ratio.

Mike S


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Ace Dugan on December 02, 2020, 01:36:18 PM
Would anybody mind if I switched my choice of aircraft from The dirty rotten P-40E Warhawk to the nicer Navy OS2N1 KingFisher?  The plan I have for the P-40 consist of 2 jpeg's and I'm having a great deal of trouble getting things aligned and matched up. Plus my deteriorated Paint Shop Pro skills have gone even deeper into toilet town ... Thanks, my printer has heard just about enough naughty talk from me...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 02, 2020, 01:58:17 PM
Certainly Ace. But if you want those jpegs converted to a pdf plan, then just email them to me at the address you have and I'll fix them up for you.

ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on December 02, 2020, 03:29:35 PM
The version here might help? https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/details.php?image_id=6868&mode=search


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Ace Dugan on December 02, 2020, 05:31:10 PM
Thanks Yak 52 and PB-GUY.  Looks like I'm back with the Curtiss P-40.  Sweet...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: faif2d on December 02, 2020, 08:14:27 PM
I started on the AW-10 and the fuselage sticks were just too small.  I have blown it up to 146% and will give that a try. I will stay with the 1/16" sticks and see if that will work.  At least it will be light.  It works out to about 22" wingspan. I may have to go to 3/32" sticks but will try to stay with the 1/16" at least on the fuselage.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 02, 2020, 09:06:41 PM
Great Ace! Updated list here.
I have started by gluing up the fuselage sides for the Mustang.

ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 02, 2020, 11:09:40 PM
Hi Oliver
Please put me down for the Cessna Airmaster!
I kept looking at the list of designs but nothing was quite grabbing me, till I went back to this one.
Was almost ready to start another project, but it's just not quite at the cutting wood stage. And you know when you get that itchy to start building something feeling..?
So here goes. Looking forwarding to seeing all the other builds here.
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 03, 2020, 12:12:35 AM
Welcome Tim! Number 14




Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 03, 2020, 08:25:25 AM
Nice! Would like to join also. Not sure what to build yet, will check in the weekend whats available.
Are any modifications allowed, like adding removable landing gear?  :D


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 03, 2020, 08:54:44 AM
I'm seriously thinking of joining this cookup.  I've never done one before, but have enjoyed reading the threads from previous ones.  It'll take me a bit to pick a model and officially join, as I'm finding the links to an acceptable plan a challenge.  That and I tried to join FAC today, and while they happily took my money, not once was I asked for email, or even my name!!  Sent email to them so we can get it worked out.

My criteria for selecting a model will be simple. Monoplane, and not common.  ;D


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on December 03, 2020, 10:00:36 AM
Something that can add confusion is the similarity between some Comet plans data and the data on Nassise plans. For example, here is the Cessna:



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: ffscale on December 03, 2020, 10:42:03 AM
I guess this means I'm in then.......

Mike S


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dosco on December 03, 2020, 10:52:32 AM
Something that can add confusion is the similarity between some Comet plans data and the data on Nassise plans. For example, here is the Cessna:



I'd noticed that too ... my guess is an homage to "the originals" ...

-Dave


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 03, 2020, 11:55:23 AM
Good to see you all Mike, LRF, Dan! Modifications are welcome, it's always cool to see people's personal spin on plans.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on December 03, 2020, 12:23:42 PM
...I'm having a great deal of trouble getting things aligned and matched up. Plus my deteriorated Paint Shop Pro skills have gone even deeper into toilet town ...

I use PSP too and also a "Word-like" free program called Libre Office that has an easy to use sizing feature. Nifty for getting 3-views to the desired size.

https://www.libreoffice.org/


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 03, 2020, 12:44:54 PM
Welcome Mike! That brings us up to 15.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Ace Dugan on December 03, 2020, 04:07:10 PM
Thanks alfakilo, I have and use Libre Office all the time.  I'll check that out and thanks...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 03, 2020, 11:25:59 PM
I am building this one as an Apache A-36. It had a strengthened wing and had dive brakes for use as a dive bomber and the bomb mounts were closer to the landing gear. It used the Allison engine, as per the P-40. The Apache A-36 did a lot of dive bombing in the Italian campaign - lots of low level attacks.  See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAPqoC3_hqA

  There is some controversy over the name. The purists insist that Apache and Invader were never official, and that only those guys in the field called them by those names and that the original official name was Mustang Mark I.

The fuselage crosspieces are temporary to hold the fuselage sides square until the formers are glued in place, then I'll cut them off. The plan only uses formers to separate the sides, but getting it square that way doesn't look too easy. There is one non-structural former inside the canopy that isn't really necessary. I am thinking of laminating it to keep it as small as possible.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 04, 2020, 12:39:44 AM
Thanks Ian for the historical notes re Apache - but I've got The Shadows' instrumental in my head now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzgbcyfJgfQ

Made a start last night with the Cessna Airmaster. Twenty years of a plan being re photo-copied, scanned and pdf-ed means some of the wing bits don't quite line up with the other bits. No drama - but good to check if your wing chord matches the side view etc...   Some early pics. I decided to stick with the cut-out wing tip rather than laminate. Think it suits the 'ten-cent' style - and I had some light sheet anyway!

If anyone knows, would be interested in some info about the designer (Mr Nassise). Those of us outside USA are probably only familiar with the plans that turn up in newsletters from time to time.

cheers Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on December 04, 2020, 01:35:37 AM
If anyone knows, would be interested in some info about the designer (Mr Nassise). Those of us outside USA are probably only familiar with the plans that turn up in newsletters from time to time.

Here's the tribute article from the AMA

http://modelaviation.com/ff-scale-no66


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 04, 2020, 03:49:13 AM
Indoorflyer - thanks so much for sending this fine tribute. Makes me want to make the best job of this I can. Cheers Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: DHnut on December 04, 2020, 04:30:41 AM
I have decided on the Miles M18. The sucessor to the Magister that was not ordered. Put me down for that, I might even have it ready for the Nationals.
Ricky


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 04, 2020, 06:43:48 AM
I will choose for Ki-61, should be easy enough  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 04, 2020, 07:30:25 AM
Well, with my limited search skills looks like I might just be a read only on this cookup. I have spent almost an hour in infernal-net searches trying to find Mike Nassie plans to no avail. Yes I followed the links on page one of this thread, and the Model Aviation article listing all of Mike's plans as supposedly listed in the FAC Simple Scale Plans. Great list but no links to the actual plans. Just none of the plans from those links jumped up and said "Pick Me!! Tried designer searches on Outer Zone, Aerofred, and our own Builders Gallery, no joy. Don't feel like spending the time to look through every page to see if any are designed.

Not fusing, not upset, just sayin'.  This will be a fun thread to watch.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on December 04, 2020, 10:15:02 AM
Made a start on the Peanutyfied (yes that's a word) PT-19 wing. I'm mostly using 1/20" wood where the Dimer used 1/16".

I'm intending to finish it in coloured tissue in the classic blue and yellow scheme shown below.


Jon


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: FLYACE1946 on December 04, 2020, 10:45:49 AM
Since I have noticed ALL the choices made so far are for his actual ,real, aircraft models I guess my 1st project Gonzo will be replaced with the Chambermaid. Then the Gonzo will be my second build here.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 04, 2020, 10:49:30 AM
Progress looks great everyone! FLYACE, I love Embryos and would enjoy seeing you build one if you still want to!

Dan, I have files for many of Mike's plans but because of their uncertain commercial status I don't want to share them publicly right now.
If there's one or 2 subjects you're interested in, let me know and I can try to send it over for personal use. Hope the somewhat limited access isn't keeping too many people out, I enjoy seeing everyone's builds and different styles.

Oliver


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: FLYACE1946 on December 04, 2020, 11:19:35 AM
The Gonzo is back in first place. Current focus is the Nikolina for the postal in the 60's Coupe here on hpa. Then the Gonzo jumps ahead of the Chambermaid Nocal.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 04, 2020, 12:59:12 PM
Added Ricky with his Miles M18 and LivingRoomFlight with his Ki-61.
FLYACE1946 keeps the Gonzo.
Good start on the PT-18 Jon.
Sorry that nothing floats your boat Dan. Yes, the number of available plans is only a tiny fraction of what was produced and there doesn't seem to be any way to get a hold of them. It would be good if the plans could be collected into some kind of repository so that they won't be lost to the world. Thanks for your collection Oliver.

ian

(changes only take a few minutes if you find anything wrong in the list.)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: faif2d on December 04, 2020, 05:07:18 PM
I have decided to laminate the rudder and stab outlines on the AW-10.  The one difference is that I used 70% alcohol to wet out the sticks.  I have always used water before and had some success but this time I cheated and used my 70% alcohol in a spray bottle, used to shrink tissue, instead of water.  For some reason this seems to work better.  I simply put the 3 thicknesses of 1/32 together, the way they were going to go on the form, and put them on the cutting matt and then sprayed them with the 70%.  The alcohol capillaries up on the sticks and matt and after about 5 min they went right around the forms.  I have no idea why this seems to work better than water but am guessing that the alcohol wets out the fibers better than plain water.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 04, 2020, 05:57:12 PM
After further study and review, please put me down for the MO-1 if that is okay.

Thanks


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on December 04, 2020, 05:59:22 PM
I have decided to laminate the rudder and stab outlines on the AW-10.

The aircraft make and model is just Cessna AW.  "10" comes from the model category "10-Center"  (model builder slang for dime scale) in the title block.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 04, 2020, 07:03:28 PM
Hi all - more progress with Cessna Airmaster.
I extended the LE and TE at each wing tip and slotted the sheet tips between - rather than just butt join them on the end - to make a bit stronger.
Ended up re-doing most of the ribs due to the previous mentioned issue - which means I now have a few left over (Homer Simpson: Mmmm Spare Ribs).
The fuselage is going ahead ok - but thinking now about whether the fuselage is intended to be covered first before adding the bond paper cowl? Might do this a bit different and use 1/32 balsa sheet instead.
Good to see you on the list there Ricky. M18 should be a beaut.
cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 04, 2020, 10:02:16 PM
Yes Dan, you are on the list.
And also Bruce with the Honey Bee Embryo
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: iflyhlg on December 04, 2020, 10:02:56 PM
I didn't realize it at the time but I guess I am in with Mike's Honey Bee Embryo. I was looking at his other plans and realized this was one of his designs and if the Gonzo qualifies hopefully this one should too. Should be fun.  Bruce


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 05, 2020, 06:08:24 AM
Thanks for the add. As I understand it I can enlarge the plans from the 16" span as printed?  My senior fumble fingers would really appreciate a say, 25% larger version. ;D


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 05, 2020, 12:10:29 PM
Go for it Dan! I was thinking about an enlarged Moth Minor if I do another one of these.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 05, 2020, 03:49:09 PM
Thanks PB_guy for adding me to the list.
Did cut some parts including the smallest former ever, nr11.
On the photo on the tip of my small finger  :D




Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: iflyhlg on December 05, 2020, 07:35:33 PM
Here is my Honey Bee embryo, 16 grams with a heavy plastic prop. Need wheel pants and a lighter balsa prop and she should be ready to go. If it flies good and the next one will get the dt treatment. Hopefully my attachment works, if not, sorry no picture


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on December 05, 2020, 09:44:00 PM
Please put me down for the L-6 liaison Interstate.
Gibbs


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 06, 2020, 01:57:00 AM
OK Gibbs, you are on the list.
Nice looking Honey Bee iflyhlg. Do I mark you as completed?
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on December 06, 2020, 05:50:45 AM
Have I missed why '18' is missing?!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 06, 2020, 06:01:13 AM
Thanks PB_guy for adding me to the list.
Did cut some parts including the smallest former ever, nr11.
On the photo on the tip of my small finger  :D




That right there is why I'm enlarging my MO-1!!!  I would have trouble just SEEING that former, let alone cutting it out!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 06, 2020, 09:51:19 AM
Nice work iflyhlg!! Lots of room in that fuselage for rubber. What are you planning on powering it with?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 06, 2020, 11:01:53 AM
Nice catch Russ. Perhaps I accidentally erased that one on an edit, or more likely, I was trying to pad the numbers  ;D
Corrected now, thanks.

Working on another priority project has slowed me down a bit. Fuselage of the Mustang with all formers in place. Preparing for stringers.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: iflyhlg on December 06, 2020, 11:08:49 AM
I still need to add the wheel pants and change the prop to a proper (lighter) balsa prop. So just a couple of fiddley details and it is done.
When I fly my Big Cats I am using a 24" loop of .150 that I strip from 1/4" tan 2. I am planning on the same for this one but maybe 30" long.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 07, 2020, 01:10:56 AM
Hi all - some good progress with Cessna Airmaster. I thought I was travelling pretty quick till I saw iflyhlg's Honey Bee looking ready to go.
I have avoided addressing how to do the cowl by doing everything else first... Luckily I saw Crabby's Stinson build this morning with some great tips about how to make cowls with cowl bumps. Thanks!!
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dputt7 on December 07, 2020, 08:53:56 AM
  Going well there Tim, really looks the part. I'm still looking!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on December 07, 2020, 09:25:56 AM
That's a fine looking Airmaster, Tim!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: faif2d on December 07, 2020, 05:16:33 PM
This has to be filed under why did I not try this long ago.  When making stick fuselages I had used blocks and balsa triangles to hold the built sides in place while I glued the cross pieces in.  It was a pain!  I had for a number of years seen others lightly glue balsa sheet squares in place to hold the sides while you glued the cross sticks into place.  I finally thought I would try that and it works a treat!  Why did I continue to do this step the hard way all these years?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on December 08, 2020, 10:37:40 AM
Put me down for the Bf109 in desert camouflage.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 08, 2020, 10:51:49 AM
Nice progress guys, Cessna looks very pretty! I almost have fuselage completed for Ki-61. Still did not figure out how to attach the side stringer :) Not really clear from the plan.
I think Mustang design is having similar feature, so I may wait for PB_guy to figure that one out for me  ;D



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 08, 2020, 11:09:35 AM
Beautiful work THB and LRF!! That Ki-61 looks so clean against the background, I was sure it was an image of a CAD model...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 08, 2020, 11:50:34 AM
Guys, you are sooo fast !!!! I am just finishing to cut the various pieces, you are almost ready for  flight testing !


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 08, 2020, 12:09:04 PM
OK  alfakilo. Welcome to the cookup!
As to the side stringer, I am not sure whether I will do it or not as it will make putting the exhaust stacks in place a bit more difficult.
The list is big enough to make a separate list by model. (I am sure that Crabby picked the Ambrosini so that it would float to the top of this list  ;D )
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on December 08, 2020, 02:53:32 PM
Great to see so much early progress  :)

I like the 'trop' scheme AK  :) ... the Steve Bage built Bluebottle BF109 that I have is finished in a winter scheme.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on December 08, 2020, 06:27:51 PM
...Still did not figure out how to attach the side stringer...

Same for the Me109.

Is it needed for structural strength? Maybe not, but wouldn't hurt either. These designs have boxy fuselages, not scale at all. A side stringer might add a little needed dimension but Nassise plans were drawn for simplicity. I'm good with that and have decided to forego the stringer.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on December 08, 2020, 08:09:05 PM
These plans harken back to an era in FAC rulebook-ology when a "side stringer" was required.  (Even if the full scale example had flat sides!)  And you thought Congress passed some stupid laws...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 09, 2020, 05:45:25 AM
Arrgghh!!  I haven't even started drawing the enlarged plans for my MO-1 and some of you folks are ready to cover your models!!  Guess I better get my butt in gear, huh?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 09, 2020, 08:45:11 AM
I decided to add more stringers and that makes more sense than just one I guess :)



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dosco on December 09, 2020, 09:26:13 AM
Put me down for the Bf109 in desert camouflage.

Ah yes. Although not *the* picture I remember from my youth, it's close (a friend gave me his "Aircraft of the Luftwaffe" book ... a stunning pic was a 109 in desert camo).

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8Jl0DSq7XN8/VhH5Z59PYdI/AAAAAAABi58/eN8frvtq9JA/s1600/messerschmitt%2Bbf%2B109%2Bgerman%2Baircrafts%2Bdesert%2Bafrica%2Bfinger%2Bformation.jpeg)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Crabby on December 09, 2020, 11:12:40 AM
Arrgghh!!  I haven't even started drawing the enlarged plans for my MO-1 and some of you folks are ready to cover your models!!  Guess I better get my butt in gear, huh?

Its OK Dan its not a race to the finish line... take your time. Just hurry up


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on December 09, 2020, 12:41:21 PM
Put me down for the Bf109 in desert camouflage.
Ah yes. Although not *the* picture I remember from my youth, it's close (a friend gave me his "Aircraft of the Luftwaffe" book ... a stunning pic was a 109 in desert camo).

Maybe this one.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dosco on December 09, 2020, 01:35:34 PM

Maybe this one.

I think that's it ... I didn't post it b/c the quality was (for me) a bit on the low side.

If I run across the book anytime soon, I'll take a snap with my cell phone.

-Dave


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Crabby on December 09, 2020, 07:10:29 PM
That's a famous pic... I have seen it in various books my whole airplane life. Which began about age 3! I can't wait to see your technique for doing the fuzz balls.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on December 09, 2020, 08:18:46 PM
...I can't wait to see your technique for doing the fuzz balls...

Not sure yet but may use a technique that I tried out with a G50 a ways back. I found a pic of the plane I wanted to model and then found some camo examples of that color scheme. Then cut and paste to make a piece roughly 8x10 that I then printed on to white tissue. Had to be careful about the colors running. The result wasn't perfect but got the job done.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 10, 2020, 06:26:03 AM

[/quote]

Its OK Dan its not a race to the finish line... take your time. Just hurry up
[/quote]

 ;D ;D ;D ;D  Good One!!!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 10, 2020, 08:10:36 AM
Guys, you are sooo fast !!!! I am just finishing to cut the various pieces
Marco! Great to have you on board. I'm just trying to get out briefly in front like a cycling breakaway... cos I know  the peloton will soon overtake! A little bit of covering progress...
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on December 10, 2020, 01:35:05 PM
L-6 wing n fuse.  Found an interesting tidbit about the L-6 on Monday.  It seems that the Interstate Cadet was the plane in the story of Pearl Harbor not the PT-17.  Probably because they couldn't find one for the movie.  The original pilot giving the lessons was the famous pilot Cornelia Fort who also was in the WASP's.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on December 10, 2020, 02:30:46 PM
Very impressed with all this early, and highly competent progress!

I haven't exactly started on the Swift, but I have corrected the plan for symmetry and printed it off. Slightly enlarged to 18" which should be a nice size for indoors. Since seeing the advertisement I've become more and more committed to a Christmas themed aircraft, with Santa as the pilot, but still hopefully still in a vaguely appropriate 1930s style. I think the registration will have to be G-IFTS unless anyone has a better suggestion.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: DHnut on December 10, 2020, 02:54:19 PM
Pete,
       Your size is now the same as the Veron kit. I have two that both fly very well and are in the 19 gm region. The rubber size is around the 0.115" to 0.130 depending on hall size and this gives a duration of 35-40 seconds from an ROG.
Stay safe over Christmas and the New Year.
Ricky


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dosco on December 10, 2020, 03:28:05 PM
I think the registration will have to be G-IFTS unless anyone has a better suggestion.

S-ANTA

X-MAS

N-OEL

Y-ULE

(?)

-Dave


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on December 10, 2020, 03:31:40 PM
Nice! The advantage of G-IFTS though is that it’ll be British! Then again, perhaps it should be North Pole registered.

And thanks for the info, Ricky. That’s encouraging.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 10, 2020, 08:46:28 PM
Nice work THB and dorme! G-IFTS is pretty hard to beat for a Christmas-themed 1930s UK aircraft registration...

Some progress on the Bellanca Junior. Needs sanding and a couple formers, and then covering with yellow domestic! It's such a close-coupled dimer, the top view shows how the wing really makes up the bulk of the plane. Already thinking about prop/rubber... maybe a 7" Peck, cut down at the tips, with a loop each of 3/32" and 1/16" for outdoors. Something tells me I'll have trying to make this plane go right under power but we'll see. If you look closely at the last pic, you can see a canard Embryo and dimer Hemiptere languishing behind this build, I might try to get tissue on all of them once I get the glue stick out.



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on December 10, 2020, 09:34:19 PM
Nice! The advantage of G-IFTS though is that it’ll be British! Then again, perhaps it should be North Pole registered.

G-YULE would fit nicely! And it apparently is not a registration in use, according to G-Info.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 11, 2020, 06:19:27 PM
Mustang: Continuing on. The fuselage stringers are on now and it weights 4.3 grams so far. I am carving up the exhaust ports while trying to determine colors for the finished product. This is intended to be the A-36 Mustang Mark 1 Dive bomber EW998 delivered in March of 1943 for evaluation as a dive bomber.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 12, 2020, 02:15:55 AM
Oliver the Bellanca looks great. My experience with these short-coupled things is they wander around the sky left and right regardless of intent. As long as you're not indoors, it's not a problem. Nice Mustang Ian.
Just a bit of progress here with rego letters and managed not to stuff up the doping or alignment so far. And a pic of the subject... dputt7 gave me this tissue a while back - thanks Dave. Don't know what it is (not Esaki orange) but seems quite opaque and was pre-shrunk on a frame so no drama with the thin tail frames etc. So far so good. I just keep putting off the '14 cowl bumps required'
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dputt7 on December 12, 2020, 03:34:40 AM
  Nice tissue work there Tim, the green really sets it off.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 12, 2020, 10:50:33 AM
The models are coming together very well ! How many nice builds.
Anyway :
- plan printed and assembled - done
- wood cut - done
- cats locked away - done

It's time to begin to do some real work.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on December 12, 2020, 01:28:57 PM
A little bit of covering progress...
Tim

That's a nice shade of yellow.  At least on my computer monitor, it looks "deeper" than Esaki; what tissue is that?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Crabby on December 12, 2020, 01:49:19 PM
 Hey Tim take the courage pill! Cut a plank of 3/16 sand the entire length the foot print shape, and round off the end, slice, round off the end, slice, ad nauseum, 14X! If it helps watch TV. Remember its better for you than eating cheese doodles and swearing at the commercials.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 12, 2020, 04:05:22 PM
Tim, you have all my simpathy. When I built a Macchi C.200, shaping the bumps - and placing them rightly spaced around the engine cowling - has been the most tedious and unnerving task. But Crabby is right, bite the bullet (or should I say, bite the bump...) and it will be over before you can say "bump"...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 13, 2020, 08:58:04 AM
Beautiful progress Ian and Tim! And the Ambrosini parts are looking clean. That's another Nassise plan I want to build sometime, I remember seeing it flown in WWII mass launches the first year or 2 I joined the FAC in 2014-15.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 13, 2020, 04:25:09 PM
Oliver, you had such a great idea,  to launch this cook up. Thanks a lot.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 13, 2020, 06:01:07 PM
Nice to see the work goes full steam guys! Ki-61 bones are kind of ready.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on December 14, 2020, 01:06:12 PM
First try at desert camouflage. Printed on white tissue using inkjet printer and Paint Shop Pro to adjust the colors. Tissue shrunk using alcohol to minimize color bleed. The printer didn't match the tan very well, too orangy.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 14, 2020, 01:08:25 PM
Nice to see the work goes full steam guys! Ki-61 bones are kind of ready.

Very nice !


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Kevin M on December 14, 2020, 01:27:21 PM
Quote
Ki-61 bones are kind of ready.

Beautiful prop/spinner.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 15, 2020, 04:08:55 AM
Thanks Marco, Kevin M. Prop still needs some work, but already put it on the photo  :)
Nice camo alfakilo, looks pretty desert to me! Are you going to print also markings and panel lines etc at the same time?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 15, 2020, 09:36:19 AM
Nice tissue AK, and Ki-61 is very pretty LRF. Based on how well your models fly I hope it sticks around!  ;D



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on December 15, 2020, 09:47:49 AM
...Are you going to print also markings and panel lines etc at the same time?

No, I'm afraid my tissue skills aren't at that level yet! I'll use the usual tissue decals.

I redid the camo pattern to get something more like tan and less like orange but the printer output didn't change much. Also the alcohol spray leeched out some of the color.



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 15, 2020, 10:00:53 AM
...Are you going to print also markings and panel lines etc at the same time?

No, I'm afraid my tissue skills aren't at that level yet! I'll use the usual tissue decals.

I redid the camo pattern to get something more like tan and less like orange but the printer output didn't change much. Also the alcohol spray leeched out some of the color.


to limit the smudging you could try to apply a very light coat of Krylon or clear acrylic spray paint before spraying alcohol or water, not enough to seal the tissue, just to fix the colors; then you can apply water or alcohol, the tissue would retain the ability to shrink. Alternatively, have a long, hot shower and take the covered components in the bathroom. The moisture would be enough to wet the tissue without having the colors running 


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on December 15, 2020, 10:38:52 AM
Thanks, Marco, I'll give Krylon a try. Not sure about that shower though!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 15, 2020, 11:59:53 AM
Thanks Bobson pleasure to hear it from you:) Hope it will behave!
Alfakilo, maybe you can treat those color changes as the weathering, unless you want a factory brand new one.
Marco, thanks for the shower tip, will try it out!  :D


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on December 15, 2020, 01:42:33 PM
Got the tissue on....green Esaki with white misting on the backside.  Perhaps not the OD color it was, but I didn't feel the necessity to make it such.  It reminds me of when I was a boy that I did what I thought was right as I had no Internet or anyone close by to help give me pointers.  It was one of those using what I had in balsa.  Some hard, some soft. Just a few things left to do...windows, cowl, struts, 2 coats of Krylon.
BTW, many of you have done great work on your models!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: FLYACE1946 on December 15, 2020, 01:57:30 PM
I think the registration will have to be G-IFTS unless anyone has a better suggestion.

S-ANTA

X-MAS

N-OEL

Y-ULE
S-NOW
(?)

-Dave



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 15, 2020, 03:32:00 PM
Hi all.
The two halves of the fuselage are ready.
Now, the fuselage of this model has a trapezoidal section, not a square one. Well, not so much of a problem considering that even when I build square fuselages they end up being someway trapezoidal... ;D
Anyway, I built  some temporary light frames to help with the alignment; they are lightly glued to the structure and I will remove them when the formers and cross braces are in place


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on December 15, 2020, 04:15:14 PM
I'm just about at the same stage with the Fairchild PT-19...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 16, 2020, 06:18:21 AM
Looking really nice Dorme. The white on the back of the tissue seems to work really well. What did you spray it with, enamel, acrylics?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on December 16, 2020, 08:53:07 AM
I used Design Master flat white from Michael's.  Hard to find, at least it was last year when I bought 2 cans. But I imagine you could use any flat white in a rattle can.  The trick I learned from
Clive Gamble was to warm up the can in hot water.  It flows thinner and there are not the clots and spitting.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Crabby on December 16, 2020, 01:57:49 PM
  The trick I learned from
Clive Gamble was to warm up the can in hot water.  It flows thinner and there are not the clots and spitting.

That's a great one Dorme! And I have been trying to pray that problem away! It looks like I might've gotten my answer!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: ffscale on December 16, 2020, 04:26:26 PM
In between working on my other projects I managed to make a start on my Mike Nasisse Vought Kingfisher.  I am not intending to enter the model in Dime scale events so have made a few changes to the design as I have gone along.  These include sheeting in the cowl area and adding the odd extra stringer to the upper fuselage.  It has been a fun build so far.

I will be finishing the model in one of the two schemes shown at the bottom of the page – not sure which yet.

Mike S


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 16, 2020, 04:37:03 PM
Nice clean work Mike. And impressive that you've gotten this done with some other bigger projects a little further along  ;D. Are you going to use a short enough prop for ROG?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 16, 2020, 11:24:24 PM
Mustang Mark I Dive Bomber:
  I was contemplating the wing. It uses 1/16 x 1/8 LE and TE which would end up a little flimsy since it only uses a single 1/16" top spar. I decided to go with my usual alterations and construct a built-up spar of 1/32 sheet stock with 3/32 wide top and bottom sections of 1/32 stock as well. The first 1/3 of the wing will be an I-beam, and the remainder will be a T spar. The finished weight of both spars is about 0.7 grams, but it adds a lot of strength. The forward part of the ribs will be 1/16" sheet, and the rear will be made of 1/16 sq stock. Root ribs will be solid 1/16.

  The spar web was cut first with allowances made for the thickness of the top and bottom parts. Then I made a row of pins 1/2" apart for a straight edge. the top strip was laid against the pins and a piece of cardboard just under 1/32 was wrapped with Teflon tape and placed under the spar web. The spar web was coated with Gorilla carpenter's glue and pinned against the top strip. When that was set, the shorter section of the bottom strip was applied in the same way. The finished product is displayed.

ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 17, 2020, 03:18:46 AM
Mustang Mark I Dive Bomber:
  I was contemplating the wing. It uses 1/16 x 1/8 LE and TE which would end up a little flimsy since it only uses a single 1/16" top spar. I decided to go with my usual alterations and construct a built-up spar of 1/32 sheet stock with 3/32 wide top and bottom sections of 1/32 stock as well. The first 1/3 of the wing will be an I-beam, and the remainder will be a T spar. The finished weight of both spars is about 0.7 grams, but it adds a lot of strength. The forward part of the ribs will be 1/16" sheet, and the rear will be made of 1/16 sq stock. Root ribs will be solid 1/16.

  The spar web was cut first with allowances made for the thickness of the top and bottom parts. Then I made a row of pins 1/2" apart for a straight edge. the top strip was laid against the pins and a piece of cardboard just under 1/32 was wrapped with Teflon tape and placed under the spar web. The spar web was coated with Gorilla carpenter's glue and pinned against the top strip. When that was set, the shorter section of the bottom strip was applied in the same way. The finished product is displayed.

ian

Wow, that's quite a sophisticated solution ! Almost like a full scale plane. Nice


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 17, 2020, 03:45:11 AM
That certainly is a funky spar solution Ian.
The Airmaster plan had a 1/16squ spar which I straight away changed to 1/16 x 1/8 depth. Otherwise I find that it can often buckle in a non-catastrophic, but unrepairable way.
Crabby, Marco, thanks for your encouragement. I have cut and sanded a bunch of cowl bumps and hope to make some more progress soon.
cheers Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 17, 2020, 12:41:25 PM
Covered the little thing and sprayed with something green I had. Bottom gray, easy scheme for a lazy modeler  :D
The wing LE and root ribs have the bamboo stripes glued on, makes the wing 10x stronger.
Color is more green and less brown than on the photos. What you see, weighs 15g. Should be fine.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on December 17, 2020, 05:06:03 PM
Some great progress!  :)

I'm lagging behind, having to concentrate on a couple of commissions to be finished by Christmas ... looking forward to a building Christmas.
I'm still in the virtual world tracing the plan to clean up scanning errors etc.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 18, 2020, 02:35:28 AM
That's a really clean looking finish LivingRoomFlight - I must learn to use an airbrush one day because that looks great.
OK the bumps are on and painted to match the tissue underneath. I thought about trying to stretch tissue over each one Mike Kelly style - but took the easier option.
This is actually the second set of bumps... the first set just seemed way too small. These look way too big, but I decided to stick with them because it might suit the 'caricature scale' style of ten-cent designs. And there's no way I was doing a third set!   :)
I might try to sand them down a bit in-situ and repaint...
Tim



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on December 18, 2020, 04:31:02 AM
Nice work guys.

I've been setting the dihedral in the PT-19 wing. The original Dimer had quite a lot of dihedral - like nearly 10 degrees. I've reduced it to just under 9 degrees.


Jon


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 18, 2020, 02:27:30 PM
Thanks THB. Btw, did not use airbrush, just a normal acrylic spray can stuff. Your cowl and bumps are looking very nice, give really classy look.
Meanwhile I did a bit of work on the prop. Blades are hard #C and got 6 layers of CA with 2 sandings in between. M3 spring washer is used as the freewheel - easy route ;) Canopy and exhausts seem to be a difficult next step, especially the latter.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on December 18, 2020, 03:32:44 PM
Meanwhile I did a bit of work on the prop.

That is a very nice propeller. What paint did you use on those blades?   


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 19, 2020, 05:03:41 AM
Hi all
Oliver - Please mark the Cessna Airmaster as completed.
It was a fun build - thanks for suggesting the topic. Look forward to some test flights soon and checking out progress on all the other builds.

cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dputt7 on December 19, 2020, 05:12:24 AM
Very nice build Tim, sure looks like a flyer!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 19, 2020, 05:21:49 AM
Thanks Dave - might take youngest Hugo out for a test fly if there's any sign of calm tomorrow...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 19, 2020, 08:51:52 AM
Started clearing the bench and got ready to cut a drawing board. Whilst doing that I measured the plans to see how big a board I needed, and noticed that the plans I had downloaded and enlarged were, .... shall we say, less than perfectly accurate?  Seems the left wing panel is about 3/16" longer than the right at the scale I settled on. Easy enough to fix, I'll just draw the left wing, flip it over and draw it as the right.  Will need to go over the rest of the plans before I draw them out. 

But hey, at least I actually started!!  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 19, 2020, 01:03:28 PM
Congrats on being the first finisher, Tim. There is still lots of time for a second model, or for a late-comer to join in!
Yellow highlights indicate a completed model.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 19, 2020, 01:07:00 PM
Mustang Dive Bomber Mark I: I am working on the wing now. Just laid out the spar and edges. The center section is complete. I put doublers on the LE for the machine gun ports and landing light so that I can cut the necessary parts out later.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on December 19, 2020, 01:16:05 PM
Gulp! .... a finisher!
That's lovely, Tim  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 19, 2020, 02:56:02 PM
Need your expert advice. Ass seen in the picture, the plan I enlarged shows a single main spar. Since I've enlarged it to 24.5" span this seems pretty frail structure wise. I indicated on the root rib where I'm considering adding 1/16" sub-spars, 2 top one bottom. I plan on 1/8" sq. leading edge, 1/16" x 3/16" main spar and 1/16" x 1/4" trailing edge.

What say you, yea or nay? Add 1, or 2, or 3 or none?

Advice appreciated!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on December 19, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
Funnily enough, I'm considering the same with the Caudron at its 16" span. In my previous screenshot you can see a rear spar to the centre section only. I'm going to carry this on to the tip and then will add a bottom spar set to the middle of the upper two.

So I for one, would say yes  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 19, 2020, 07:13:18 PM
Is it okay to ask all sorts of questions on this thread.? I've built well over a hundred different models over the years from hi-start gliders to rc scale and pattern to rc combat. But 99% of them were from kits or plans. This is my first attempt at modifying the scale of a given plan so lots of questions about material size.

I'm  wondering if 1/16" is good for wing ribs, and either 3/32" or  light 1/8" square for the fuselage frame?  And i know i need to keep the tail as light as I can.

Thanks


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 19, 2020, 07:31:07 PM
Dan, there are a couple of pics of that model, including the bones on this build thread here: https://www.stickandtissue.com/forum/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1218501903/6 (https://www.stickandtissue.com/forum/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1218501903/6)
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 19, 2020, 10:52:40 PM
Great work everyone and congrats on finishing Tim!

Dan, wood sizes vary builder to builder but for a model at 24" span you're sounding alright to me.

Maybe bump the thickness of the TE up to 3/32" -- 1/16" might a bit thin for this wingspan, I also like to check the thickness of the airfoil at the LE and TE junctions when changing the scale to help me decide which stock to use. Spars sound good, can be useful when I'm unsure to look at scale models with a similar size/layout for sizing these.

It's not a model with a huge fuselage, so I'd probably use 3/32" sq rather than 1/8" for longerons and uprights. Dave Rees used 1/16" fuselage structures on models up to 36" wingspan, but a lot of these were indoor-style scale or coconut scale planes that were fairly delicate. And the tail should be light but I might go up to 3/32" thick for warp resistance.

Just my 2¢, looking forward to seeing it come together.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 20, 2020, 12:38:57 AM
Mustang Dive Bomber Mark I: More done on the wing. Forward ribs rough cut to shape and glued in place. Rear rib 1/16" sq rabbeted to fit spar and glued in place. outer gussets glued in place. Now to let this dry before doing the upper section of the rear rib parts.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on December 20, 2020, 03:09:21 AM
Dan. Since you have scaled the plan up by about 150% then the simplest way would be to scale all the wood size up by the same amount and build it pretty much as per the plan. That would be 3/32sq where it shows 1/16sq. I would also use 3/32" on the wing tips and trailing edge. The exception would be the ribs where you could get away with 1/16".

The other option is to keep the thinner wood sizing but add structure like sub spars and more ribs per wing to stiffen things up. But that can get more complex. I think I would just scale up by 1.5x and use nice light wood where possible.

Jon


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on December 20, 2020, 04:29:33 AM
Nice wing Ian.  You've given me some ideas for the Bonanza model I keep messing with.  Your spar would be very realistic for a Bonanza, which has a very prominent externally visible wing spar.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 20, 2020, 07:14:02 AM
Cessna Airmaster had its first test flights today. It will be NO trouble to trim. We were just in a rush to see some flights so trim is all over the place! Very promising.
12gram and 1/8th rubber.
We also took along Bill Hannan designed Moustique (posted on that thread also).
Airmaster: https://youtu.be/m5QlgQUA8To
Moustique: https://youtu.be/Lv5ty2gxXWg
cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 20, 2020, 08:58:48 AM
Both look great in the air Tim. What length of rubber and how many turns?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 20, 2020, 09:43:41 AM
Roughed out the 1/32" ply templates for the wing ribs.  Progress is being made!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 20, 2020, 11:14:48 AM
Congrats on the great flight, and the great flight assistant, Tim. Flight videos of the completed models should be distinguished, so I highlight that one in a different color!
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 20, 2020, 11:18:13 AM
Hey, IndoorFlyer, thanks. I actually used the same technique on my Whitman Bonanza that I built for a Joe Ott cookup on S&T.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 20, 2020, 11:52:53 AM
Tim, nice model, nice weather and nice helper !
Here it's just rainy and cold...
Fuselage of the SAI207 is complete


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 20, 2020, 11:59:48 AM
summary of the mods :
- planking (obvious...)
- on the aft underbelly, stringers have been moved on the outer part as much as possible. No way to render the proper shape once covered, otherwise
- on the underbelly again, just close to the nose block, I added two extra stringers; again, to help the tissue to negotiate the corner
- the rear deck was left a bit to the builder imagination... I moved a stringer up and added a short stringer at the inferior part of the concave section, plus a thin balsa sheet to keep the form once covered
- finally, I like building nose blocks in two sections; this to have a bigger hole that help loading the motor and hiding the ballast;


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 20, 2020, 12:59:44 PM
Nice to see the good progress guys!
Indoorflyer, for the prop, I used a cheap brown acrylic spray paint from the artist store.
Added some tissue markings, still some yellow squares on a wing need to come. I forgot to prepare a yellow tissue  :)
Some white roundings could be better, but I am ok with the outcome.
Exhausts I did the easy way from 1/8 balsa as suggested per plan.
The colors on the photos are way too light. Will have to see during daytime if my phone camera will do any better.






Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on December 20, 2020, 05:21:56 PM
Really lovely work and some impressive progress on here.

My festive Comper Swift is underway at least, starting with the fuselage. I’ve used temporary card square inserts in a bid to keep things true. I think the’ve worked quite well. No very obvious banana impressions anyway.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 20, 2020, 07:16:42 PM
Hi Marco - the alts look good and will make covering much easier. The Airmaster had a few 'bond paper' components (cowl and u/c legs) which I don't usually enjoy - but went with anyway.

Thanks Oliver - the Cessna Airmaster has a loop of 1/8 and the Farman 3/32 - both motors are about 1.5 times the length from hook to rear peg.
Had about 400-500 turns on each in some flights and could probably do double that - but the air was full of thermals and the wind was taking the flights down wind a fair bit already... The Farman video was edited because we kept losing track of the plane in the iPhone. Lot's of empty blue sky deleted!

I think it's time I got a better video camera - the phone is kind of frustrating. What are others using??

Good to see the Comper under construction!

Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Crabby on December 21, 2020, 01:28:06 AM
Hi Guys! I am still slave to my Comet Reliant for now, but Marco I am glad you started your Ambrosini, you can show me all the obstacles before I start mine. Tim, your Airmaster is a delight to view in static as well as in flight. You managed to translate the simple beauty of Mike's design to the reality of a stick and tissue model. Also I must confess it took 27 years to get a kid of mine to come flying with me and to show a modicum of enthusiasm! Enjoy that as long as it lasts! Mine had to get through a lot of living before he could find enough tranquility to accompany me to the flying field, but what a day we had! There must be some simple psychological explanation as to why it takes me so damn long to complete a model, but let's just say for now I am loving the journey and procrastinating the arrival of some destination! Guys the models are looking simply brilliant! Carry on! Another thing Tim, while I am at it, check out Mike Kelly's Go Pro videos. He has a head mount and really gets some great video. I am gonna get my son's old one soon to play with. He shoots surf videos and is perpetually upgrading his set up.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 21, 2020, 03:37:54 AM
Kind words Crabby – thank you! Hugo is trying his best to encourage his Dad’s interests while trying to introduce him to other things (hence the Minecraft hat). Apparently it’s all about balance. The Nassise design was a pleasure to build and I’m thinking of doing anothery! GoPro also looks like a good option… cheers Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 21, 2020, 08:28:00 AM
Question de jour:
The plans for my MO-1 at a scale of 16" calls for 1" dihedral at the tip. Since I'm enlarging 150%, does 1.5" seem reasonable for dihedral at 25"?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on December 21, 2020, 08:32:03 AM
Give it another 1/16" if you wanted the exact same angle ie 1" and 9/16"
But that's hardly a noticeable difference  8)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 21, 2020, 02:07:35 PM
Mustang Mark I Dive Bomber: Still working on the wing. End rib and tip plates are 1/32. Bomb mount support added. TE pinned with a 3/32 washout before the top rib pieces were formed and installed. I decided to try installing 'drag/anti-drag' structures out of 1/32 sq. hard balsa. Added weight is insignificant. These pieces are glued together where they cross. I can't do the innermost ones until the dihedral is dialed in.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on December 21, 2020, 03:00:41 PM
Finished the L-6.  Bedroom glides show no bad behavior.  Added a cowl cover per photos of the L-6.
Gibbs


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 21, 2020, 03:55:12 PM
Is that an official finish Gibbs? Looks great with those exhaust stacks!

Mustang Update:  Wing given 1 1/2" dihedral on each wing and glued in place. The extra structures greatly increased wing rigidity.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 21, 2020, 05:07:32 PM
Finished the L-6.  Bedroom glides show no bad behavior.  Added a cowl cover per photos of the L-6.
Gibbs
That'so neat and clean.  Please, tell me that there is at least a wrinkle !


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on December 21, 2020, 09:18:55 PM
Thks, Marco.  There are.  But I'd have to kill you after I show them to you.

I do have wrinkles in all my planes.  I just have to work a little harder to be rid of them.  I used to be so particular as to redo them.  Now at 75 I try to focus more finishing them and to go flying. There are still a lot of planes I want to build, so I can't worry too much about how perfectly they look.  I will tell you that for the tail surfaces, I preshrink and while it is still in the preshrink frame I install them to the tissue.  Then cut it out and place those parts under weight over night.  What happens is that I may have a few wrinkles even doing it this way but giving them an overnight weight will generally take out all of the stress  and they will remain fairly flat.  You can see a bit of a wrinkle in the left tip of the stab.  But it is completely flat which is more important.

Gibbs


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on December 21, 2020, 10:16:09 PM
That's a nice-looking tissue job Gibbs!

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: iflyhlg on December 21, 2020, 10:38:32 PM
Hello Ian,
I guess you can put me down as done on the Honeybee. I attached wheelpants and put some exhaust pipes on it and I am just going to stick with the plastic prop at this time. Might be a while before flights because we are getting snow here in Seattle right now.  Bruce


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 22, 2020, 12:30:03 AM
OK! Congrats to Gibbs and Bruce for their completions in such a short period of time.

ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 22, 2020, 03:42:10 AM
Hi Gibbs - just checking - so when you have tissue pre-shrunk on the frame you then attach the tail plane direct to the tissue? That covers one side, then you repeat for the other side? Just wanted to understand if I got this right - because it sounds like a good method. It's a bit like how they cover F1D/F1L wings (tho one side only). Certainly good results.
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 22, 2020, 09:27:39 AM
Finished redrawing the fuselage side frames. Which of course brings up the rear hook location debate. Leave it where it is or move it forward?

And since no CG is marked o n plans, I'm going to go with starting with it on the main spar?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Crabby on December 22, 2020, 10:11:41 AM
Dan generally, when the CG is not marked, my rule of thumb is to put it just aft of the landing gear, to facilitate rotation on take off, but to be sure I checked a few plans I have of that plane and its correct. As far as the motor peg is concerned, I am going to defer to flydean, who is no doubt checking you out. I am one of his disciples because he has saved my bacon a a number of occasions1 ;D ;D ;D  Great choice of models! Keep it light!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 22, 2020, 10:43:01 AM
Looks good Dan. If you have an estimate of the tail and wing areas, using triangles or cutting out and weighing cardboard, you can use McCoombs's much-loved CG formula for scale models that Don DeLoach and George Bredehoft have adapted for online: https://volareproducts.com/blog/?page_id=2973

Results depend on the shape of the model, but it often comes out a bit further aft than the 33% rule of thumb.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on December 22, 2020, 01:04:44 PM
THB  You got it right.  That's what I do.  I have a big enough frame (8 x 10) opening made of 2 layers of foam board, so that I can lay the rudder, for example, on it with a glue stick.  Then I cut around it and lay it down on the rest of the shrunk tissue for the second side.  OH, and I attach the tissue to the foam board with a glue stick.  The remnants peal off very easily.  Sticking the tissue down with cellophane tape is expensive and it rips the foam board.  If the tissue doesn't come off easily....wet it.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on December 22, 2020, 01:08:39 PM
MKelly, Thks for the compliment.  Especially from one who does great finishing jobs!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 22, 2020, 02:01:26 PM
Mustang: Time for a bones shot. Weight of unsanded product is just under 9 grams.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on December 22, 2020, 02:12:06 PM
Sweet bones, Ian!

I'm doing final preflight work on my Whitman SBD build - hope to start the Beaver this weekend.

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on December 22, 2020, 03:43:14 PM
Awesome structure Ian. Can't wait to see it covered!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on December 23, 2020, 11:53:14 AM
Congrats to all for your excellent work! Your bones and tissue work is an inspiration for us lesser mortals!! :)

The 109 is almost ready to cover. I'm looking at a composite E and F model desert scheme.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 24, 2020, 05:25:24 AM
I'm really enjoying the inspiring photos of the models being built. Since I have the wing and basic fuselage frame redrawn, I promise I will actually attempt to glue some balsa together today!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 24, 2020, 01:43:58 PM
Dear friends, my best wishes for a merry Christmas to you alll !


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on December 24, 2020, 03:19:32 PM
Lovely work on here. This cook-up is shaping up nicely.

A bit more pro-ho-ho-gress on the Comper Swift...
Sorry if some people’s presents are late this year but, as you can see, Santa’s new sleigh hasn’t actually got any wings yet.

Merry Christmas, everyone!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on December 25, 2020, 08:58:48 PM
I think it's time I got a better video camera - the phone is kind of frustrating. What are others using??

After struggling for years with an older Sony camera, I recently got a Panasonic HC-WXF1 on eBay based on reviews of people who used it for recording sports. So far I got only one opportunity to film models in flight and I must say it's a big improvement over the Sony unit. I found that it is much more successful to focus on the distant model even in presence of a cloudy (thus with features) background. Our models are potentially one of the hardest subjects to film, at least in my opinion :).

Beautiful Airmaster, quite a flyer too!

--Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on December 25, 2020, 09:11:28 PM
I will tell you that for the tail surfaces, I preshrink and while it is still in the preshrink frame I install them to the tissue.  Then cut it out and place those parts under weight over night.
Great tip, thank you! I've never had luck (or rather, good results) with pre-shrunk tissue. Your method sounds like what I may need! I'll try it on the Nardi. The cowl looks very sharp. What kind of paper did you use? How do you cover it with tissue? Did you dope? Sorry too many questions but its another one of those things I always have a problem with.

Your Grasshopper looks very clean and handsome!
--Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on December 25, 2020, 09:47:53 PM
Today I got going with the Nardi FN.305 Trainer. At 1/16" sq, the longerons looked too flimsy. So I made them and also some of the uprights 1/16" x 3/32". Building the two sides together.

This is my first time using a magnetic board. I must admit the jury is still out on this topic :-\. The magnets I got quite cheap, chip. Not at an alarming rate, but they do, and I didn't appreciate pieces of magnets on my building board. I probably don't have the right kind (I got ceramic magnets). Another aspect of the magnets which will take me some time to get used to, is their propensity to pounce on each other as I'm ever so carefully trying to get them in position ;D. It's all a lot of fun, nevertheless!

--Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 26, 2020, 02:28:00 AM
Just checking in after a couple days on Xmas duty. All the best to you all - I have enjoyed catching up on others' progress. Ates - good start - and thanks for your comments. I have never tried magnets either so will watch how you go. At least they won't end up stuck in your foot if you drop some on the floor! I am still thinking about a possible second project... decisions decisions...
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 26, 2020, 05:37:51 AM
Actual glue-age has taken place!!  Started to assemble the outer wing panels, but trying to decide how to handle the dihedral break. Plans show a single rib at the break. Right now I have them as 3/32", but was wondering about instead of a single rib, laminating two 1/16" ribs together, the outer one set at the dihedral angle, rather than trying to sand the angle onto the ends of the spars/sub-spars. What think the masses?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Kevin M on December 26, 2020, 06:06:42 AM
If you do use two ribs at the break, consider angling each at half the dihedral angle.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 26, 2020, 07:28:11 AM
Well, DAMMITT!!!!

Boy am I feeling like an idiot right now!!  After gluing the ribs to the leading and trailing edges, AFTER, I discovered that on the 2nd and fourth ribs, I had cut the top sub-spar notches in the Wrong Dang Place!!  In retrospect I know exactly what I did. I used the measurements for ribs A and C on ribs B and D. Dumb-A$$!

So, not wanting a sub-spar that winds down the wing like a snake, and not wanting extra notches in the ribs, I have scrapped the whole thing and am starting to remake the templates for the ribs so I can start over.  And I'm going to be checking, re-checking, and re-checking again all the dimensions before cutting!  "I cut the damn thing twice, AND IT'S STILL TOO SHORT!!!"

On a cheerier note, my Lovely wife gave me these two wooden models to build. The marble machine has 254 parts and the car I'm sure has many more than that. The cylinders move, the gears turn, and it actually runs along the floor when assembled.  I am very impressed with the quality of the laser cutting, and the quality of the wood.  For the car, the assembly manual is only pictures, and the clarity and information is outstanding. It shows how the parts go together, and also has a picture showing which sheet and where on the sheet to find the parts.  Should be fun


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: ffscale on December 26, 2020, 07:40:36 AM
I hope everyone had as nice a Christmas as the current regulations allow.  As our planned visitors couldn't come due to us being in tier 4, we landed up with a mountain of food to get through, but at least we hadn't defrosted the turkey!

I managed to have a bit of time at the building board and the Kingfisher bones are now finished ready for covering.  Weight 9.5 grams so far.  An enjoyable build so far.

Mike S


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on December 26, 2020, 11:51:02 AM
Happy that you had some kind of Christmas, Mike .... the Kingfisher is looking great  :)
I've worked on a few Nassise designs now .... his trademark design elements become quite recognizable. The tailplane tips particularly stand out.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 26, 2020, 01:33:37 PM
Coming along nicely Mike!
Gee, Dan, that looks like a lot of work in those gifts! On the Martin, wouldn't gussets do at the dihedral break for strengthening the joint? (and the rib at the dihedral joint can be glued in after the dihedral is set, and then glued in place.) And you might just cut out the offending ribs and just replace them? rather than remaking the whole thing? If I make an error, I generally just glue a piece of balsa in the damaged spot and re-use the same piece. (I guess its the Scotsman in me).
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on December 26, 2020, 01:36:50 PM
Dan,
Those marble runs and the u-gears models are a familiar sight to me .... 'The Victorian Model Workshop' in the workshop next to mine stocks these.
The laser cutting on the U-Gears models is really great quality  :)
The owner chris, has a cabinet full of the completed models .... the car is particularly eye catching.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on December 26, 2020, 02:02:48 PM
Ates ,

The cowl was made in 2 parts.  1/32" was used at the top for added strength as I find that area gets beat up and broken and it's a bear to repair.  The second part (that which protrudes towards the bottom) is actually just typical index card stock with Esaki added to it.  Sprayed with lacquer (2 x's) before attaching with glue stick.  BTW, cheap glue sticks from the Dollar store work just as well as expensive UHU. If you feel it's necessary to use a good glue stick, go ahead.  But the cheaper ones that are not permanent strip off easier when repairing.  Wet them and they will pull off nicely even with lacquer.  Normally they will stay in place even with a damp morning.  I've been doing this for years.

The only problem I have with lacquer is that it discolors/fades easily.  That is if you have printed some detail and later in the year have to repair it, I guarantee that the colors won't match even if you have printed extra at the time of covering.  That is why many use nitrate dope.  It stands up better in the long run and is easily repaired when torn.  But I can't use it where I live.  Not for my health as much as for it's vapors spreading through the house ( I have a shop attached).

One other thing that I have found greatly benefits my coverings is to use a small trim iron.  Even after the glue stick has dried, the heat will reactivate it.  Also after covering and trimming, I run the glue stick around the perimeter against the edges to add some more glue and then run the trim iron over it for a more crisp edge. BTW, the trim iron on low settings is great for setting canopy glue so you don't have to spent the evening holding something in place.

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on December 26, 2020, 02:25:13 PM
One other thing that I have found greatly benefits my coverings is to use a small trim iron. 

Thanks! I can see the trim iron coming in handy, thanks for that too.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 26, 2020, 05:06:13 PM
PB_Guy, I tried to get one of the ribs out, and broke the leading edge in the process. Finally had enough and said screw it. Decided I didn't like the placement of the sub-spars, so when I made the new templates I repositioned them. When I finished the new templates and quadruple checked them, dang if there wasn't one notch on one template that I had cut on the wrong side of the line!  I think maybe this design doesn't want me building it?!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Crabby on December 26, 2020, 05:41:13 PM
dang if there wasn't one notch on one template that I had cut on the wrong side of the line!  I think maybe this design doesn't want me building it?!

I relate Dan. That's why they call me Crabby! >:( ::) I will clue you in, the design doesn't give a hoot whether you build it or not, But I would!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 27, 2020, 04:29:35 AM
PB_Guy, I tried to get one of the ribs out, and broke the leading edge in the process. Finally had enough and said screw it. Decided I didn't like the placement of the sub-spars, so when I made the new templates I repositioned them. When I finished the new templates and quadruple checked them, dang if there wasn't one notch on one template that I had cut on the wrong side of the line!  I think maybe this design doesn't want me building it?!
I have been there so many times !
Now, I cut notches on the innermost and outermost rib only; then, when all the ribs are in place, I place a stringer lining up the corresponding notches  on the two ribs, I mark the remaining ribs and then notch them with a sanding stick. Same for the fuselage formers


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 27, 2020, 04:32:47 AM
Slow progress...
Canopy is done


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 27, 2020, 05:32:23 AM

Now, I cut notches on the innermost and outermost rib only; then, when all the ribs are in place, I place a stringer lining up the corresponding notches  on the two ribs, I mark the remaining ribs and then notch them with a sanding stick. Same for the fuselage formers

I like that idea!  Now if only I can remember it next time!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 27, 2020, 02:46:47 PM
I really like that canopy Marco! I may just "borrow" that idea.  :)
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 28, 2020, 07:38:11 AM
Progress on the MO-1 is being made. The outer wing panels need tips and sanding, the center section has been assembled.
Weight of the outer wing panels as they sit is 5.5 grams.

For the dihedral I split the angle between the adjoining ribs.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on December 28, 2020, 07:45:50 PM
Hi Ian and Oliver
Had so much fun with the Cessna monoplane, I figured it would be even twice that fun with a biplane...  so please put me down for the Bristol Scout

MO-1 looking good Dan - glad to see you overcoming the frustrations! It will be worth it!
I also like the Marco-style canopy - do you now paint and cover this with flat cellophane panels?

cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 28, 2020, 11:09:47 PM
Your wish is our command. Hooray for a second model.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 29, 2020, 09:04:01 AM
Found some time for modeling between eating too much ;)
Did some pilot figure and some little details. Should have done the pilot with hands :O, lets assume he has them a bit lower ;) I also heat formed canopy, so that will be a next step, attaching and framing it.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on December 29, 2020, 12:18:35 PM
Great Ki-61! Planes with pilots should get a gold star.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 29, 2020, 04:53:17 PM
Hi Ian and Oliver
Had so much fun with the Cessna monoplane, I figured it would be even twice that fun with a biplane...  so please put me down for the Bristol Scout

MO-1 looking good Dan - glad to see you overcoming the frustrations! It will be worth it!
I also like the Marco-style canopy - do you now paint and cover this with flat cellophane panels?

cheers
Tim
Hi Tim. Yes,the intention is to use some light cellophane for the panels. I am going to cover the structure with green tissue. Congrats for your second build  !


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 29, 2020, 04:54:08 PM
Found some time for modeling between eating too much ;)
Did some pilot figure and some little details. Should have done the pilot with hands :O, lets assume he has them a bit lower ;) I also heat formed canopy, so that will be a next step, attaching and framing it.

Very nice !


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 29, 2020, 04:55:23 PM
Progress on the MO-1 is being made. The outer wing panels need tips and sanding, the center section has been assembled.
Weight of the outer wing panels as they sit is 5.5 grams.

For the dihedral I split the angle between the adjoining ribs.
Dan, glad to see you won the battle ! ;)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on December 30, 2020, 04:30:26 AM
Getting there...
wing, nose block, prop and spinner complete. The prop blades are interchangeable;  I built two sets of blades so far, same pitch and diameter, different chord. I am going to build a third set with a slight bigger diameter.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on December 30, 2020, 04:25:20 PM
Thanks PB_Guy! Marco, that is looking really nice! All the extra effort is already adding a lot to the general look. Already inspiring, waiting for more  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 30, 2020, 08:24:06 PM
Progress is progressing on the MO-1. :)

Wing is complete except for wingtips and sanding.

Second fuselage side is drying, when removed from other side will add gussets and rear peg plate.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on December 31, 2020, 07:46:32 AM
After a marathon building session, all major structure of the Nardi is finished and sanded, ready to cover. The one notable change I made to the original plans was to move the prop shaft up by ~3mm as the way it was on the plans didn't look right. MN probably did it to avoid rubber hitting the crossmembers which I'm hoping to avoid by moving the first few crosmembers up.

Marco, I love the props you made! Not sure yet if I can use a plastic prop for the Nardi or if I have to carve/make one.

Dan, good to see you persevered! I hope we can fly these models at Waegell in 2021 :).

I wish all a happy and healthy new year!

--Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: NM on December 31, 2020, 07:50:32 AM
Hi Tim. Yes,the intention is to use some light cellophane for the panels. I am going to cover the structure with green tissue. Congrats for your second build  !
Marco - Can I ask what you use to stick cellophane please? I've been trying to stick some very uncooperative soft cellophane. The only semi-success so far is UHU POR but this is quite thick and the solvent evaporates very quickly so it's not really brushable. Plus none of the solvents that are supposed to work with it do (apart from some Hammerite brush cleaner that appears to have trichloroethylene in, which is hardly cricket these days  :-X)
I've tried two types of canopy glue, Formula 560 and 5* CanopyBond, PVA type glues, cellulose base glues. Not cyano actually.

thanks
Nigel


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on December 31, 2020, 09:53:06 AM
Lookin' goood Ates!  8)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on December 31, 2020, 12:39:04 PM
...I've tried two types of canopy glue, Formula 560 and 5* CanopyBond, PVA type glues, cellulose base glues. Not cyano actually.

I get good results with this. Dries clear, holds well, excess can be removed with scraper.

https://www.amazon.com/Micro-Kristal-Klear-Microscale-Industries/dp/B0006O029E/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2LE60R8VVFHH1&dchild=1&keywords=micro+krystal+klear&qid=1609435572&sprefix=micro+krystal%2Caps%2C195&sr=8-1

CA works too but needs to be applied with pointed applicator. This works well for me:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ET8FJ1E/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on December 31, 2020, 01:58:50 PM
+1 for Micro Krystal Klear - it's my go-to adhesive for putting anything plastic onto a model, and for adhering tissue and paper canopy frames onto clear plastic.  Can be thinned with water and brushed on for fine framing work.  Also works very well for gluing heatshrink tubing (for exhaust pipes etc) to sealed and unsealed tissue.

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on December 31, 2020, 02:37:59 PM
Santa’s Swift is almost ready for covering...
I made some wheels from blue foam. I love the chubby little fat tyred wheels they put on these little planes. I was half tempted to put it on skis though!
I was going to cover this in red, but only have some slightly iffy domestic tissue in that colour, so I might use my nice peacock blue Esaki instead. I’m thinking maybe with gold trim it would still look quite festive.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on December 31, 2020, 03:27:09 PM
Great looking model Ates. I hope to make it out to Waegell in 2021.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: NM on January 01, 2021, 04:48:28 AM
+1 for Micro Krystal Klear - it's my go-to adhesive for putting anything plastic onto a model, and for adhering tissue and paper canopy frames onto clear plastic.  Can be thinned with water and brushed on for fine framing work.  Also works very well for gluing heatshrink tubing (for exhaust pipes etc) to sealed and unsealed tissue.

Mike
Mike and Alfakilo - thanks for your answers, I'll see if I can get hold of some of that.
I don't know that the film I'm playing with is cellophane - after I posted I noticed a plastic bag that felt similar was marked PE (polyethylene I think). The film is actually heat shrinkable window draft seal. I was looking for something that's easier to obtain than Mylar. I'm sure it's a path well trodden.
Sorry for diversion, enjoying the cookup.
thanks
Nigel


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on January 01, 2021, 10:21:14 AM
All the main pieces are assembled. On to the landing gear and nose block then I can let the sanding begin!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on January 01, 2021, 12:41:27 PM
Hi Tim. Yes,the intention is to use some light cellophane for the panels. I am going to cover the structure with green tissue. Congrats for your second build  !
Marco - Can I ask what you use to stick cellophane please? I've been trying to stick some very uncooperative soft cellophane. The only semi-success so far is UHU POR but this is quite thick and the solvent evaporates very quickly so it's not really brushable. Plus none of the solvents that are supposed to work with it do (apart from some Hammerite brush cleaner that appears to have trichloroethylene in, which is hardly cricket these days  :-X)
I've tried two types of canopy glue, Formula 560 and 5* CanopyBond, PVA type glues, cellulose base glues. Not cyano actually.

thanks

Hi Nigel. Happy new year !
I used cyano, in small quantities. Then I started using a general purpose glue, few euro per tube, that works very well - but I have no idea of what is inside. It is transparent, smelly and it can be thinned with alcohol or acetone. No brand. It is sold at the supermarket, so it is not a specialised, dedicted product. I can post a picture of the tube but I am pretty sure that it would not help to find it around. Sorry, I understand that this is not going to be very helpful
Nigel


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on January 01, 2021, 12:52:18 PM
After a marathon building session, all major structure of the Nardi is finished and sanded, ready to cover. The one notable change I made to the original plans was to move the prop shaft up by ~3mm as the way it was on the plans didn't look right. MN probably did it to avoid rubber hitting the crossmembers which I'm hoping to avoid by moving the first few crosmembers up.

Marco, I love the props you made! Not sure yet if I can use a plastic prop for the Nardi or if I have to carve/make one.

Dan, good to see you persevered! I hope we can fly these models at Waegell in 2021 :).

I wish all a happy and healthy new year!

--Ates
Hi Ates. The Nardi is quite nice. May I ask you where did you find the plan ? It is a plane I would like to build, sooner or later. If you need to have some suggestion about the finishing, there are pictures of one of these planes , in WWII camouflage, on the Italian Air Force museum web site.

As a general comment, for Crabby's benefit as well, I noticed that there is no decalage between wing and tail plane on the SAI and the slot where the tailplane is going to fit is quite tight, with little room to adjust the incidence during the trim flights, so I will make the elevator a separate surface, adjustable. I cannot judge the Nardi but it looks that the arrangement is similar


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: flydean1 on January 01, 2021, 01:55:38 PM
Two things transformed my early rubber scale models from total dogs, to something that was genuinely flyable.

1.  Move the rear peg location  forward enough to make motor length changeable without affecting the cg.

2.  Provide some form of pitch adjustment; usually by creating an oversized slot for the stab.

Also, using a blast tube did not make them fly any better, it just made them last longer. ;D


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on January 02, 2021, 01:51:50 PM
Nice work everyone! A few more getting really close, and great paint job LRF. I've been doing some organizing (throwing out old models) the past couple days but will get back to the Bellanca soon. Tail is covered and sat under some books for a few days.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: FLYACE1946 on January 02, 2021, 06:15:52 PM
I just wonder if we have a target date yet for completion of a mike nassise plan. I am apologizing if I just didn't spot one here today.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: ffscale on January 03, 2021, 07:41:59 AM
Finally got the Kingfisher to the painting stage.  Covering was Dilly Japanese tissue again, steam shrunk and then a coat of banana oil brushed on.  Front canopy was plunge moulded and the rear glazing is thin window material from a box of cakes.  The pilot is a recycled 1/24 vac-form – slightly overscale, but puts somebody in the front office.  Wheels laminated from balsa. it has been a fun Christmas project.

I’d forgotten how good a layout the Kingfisher is for free flight, so much so that I am tempted to draw up a more accurate peanut version.  The wide chord wing gives a lot of area at 13”.

Mike S


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kkphantom on January 03, 2021, 08:13:09 AM
Beautiful work, as always, Mike. What are those two fuselages lurking in the background I wonder?
Gary


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 03, 2021, 09:15:40 AM
Looking great Mike  :)
That's a great way of storing balsa sticks in the background  ;)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: ffscale on January 03, 2021, 01:08:09 PM
What are those two fuselages lurking in the background I wonder?


I do have a weakness for starting new models before other ones are finished – not the only modeller I suspect!  Amongst everything else under construction I have built the fuselages of a couple of Diels Engineering kits out of my stash – the Nakajima Ki.27 and Grumman TBF Avenger.  Stops me getting bored I suppose!

Mike S


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 05, 2021, 07:42:27 AM
Some lovely tidy models on here. Love the Kingfisher, Mike.

I’ve started covering the Comper Swift today. I’ve also sorted out the front end with a prop and spinner.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on January 05, 2021, 01:41:57 PM
I've been pootling away at the Fairchild. I ended up having to re-draw all the formers due to distortion but have finally started to assemble the fuselage. I decided use the flat top of the sides as a reference and add the lower side cross pieces first. The sides are taped to lego blocks for squareness with un-glued spacers on the deck side. It's a little fragile at this stage but I've now flipped the fuselage and started adding the decking formers.

Jon


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on January 06, 2021, 04:18:46 AM
Nice progress everyone !
Bones completed.
PS : Mike S, do you know that if I am attending to this cookup is because, years ago, I stumbled into your Comper Swift build tutorial  ;D ...?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on January 06, 2021, 04:40:55 AM
Nice progress everyone !
Bones completed.
PS : Mike S, do you know that if I am attending to this cookup is because, years ago, I stumbled into your Comper Swift build tutorial  ;D ...?

I'm only here at all because I found Mike's site about about 15 years ago! 8)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on January 06, 2021, 04:46:53 AM
Okay, time for an obligatory bare bones shot. Weighs 17 grams at this point, before sanding.

When I went to assemble the wing to the fuselage, for a few moments I was tempted to pitch the entire thing in the trash.  I made a rookie mistake and  didn't realize it until it was too late. I determined the wing root chord by measuring the rib as drawn and enlarged 150% and adding the thickness of the leading and trailing edge. But did I check that dimension against the wing saddle as shown on the plans? NNNOOOOooo! Did I think to check things before I glued in the leading edge bulkhead? Of course not!

The result? The root chord of the wing is a little over 3/16" longer than the saddle opening.

Options:
1. Rebuild the wing to a shorter chord.  Nope
2. Rebuild the fuselage. At some point before covering and final assembly might consider it.
3. Extend the nose block by 3/16" to compensate. Giving this serious consideration.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on January 06, 2021, 09:08:42 AM
Nice progress guys! Meanwhile I made a canopy, as always: not perfect, but good enough  :)

PS : Mike S, do you know that if I am attending to this cookup is because, years ago, I stumbled into your Comper Swift build tutorial  ;D ...?

Same here, comper swift tutorial taught me how to do the covering and all the work needed, including how to twist washout, dope etc. Great stuff :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: ffscale on January 06, 2021, 09:48:41 AM
Some nice models taking shape here.  Also, it is very gratifying to hear of the influence my website has had in getting people into this most satisfying of hobbies and helping people build their first models.  Definitely makes the effort worthwhile!

I have done all the airbrushing on the Kingfisher now – I really love these colourful inter-war U.S. schemes.  All yellow and red areas had a white undercoat before painting so that the colours really pop.  The silver is a 50/50 mix of Xracolour RAF high speed silver and gloss medium grey enamel.

Mike S


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on January 07, 2021, 03:08:01 AM
Dan - we've all been there...
LivingRoomFlight & Mike S - clean looking models

Just a bit of progress framing up the bits and pieces for Bristol Scout. Stretched the fin a bit just in case.
cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: ffscale on January 09, 2021, 12:16:10 PM
So, I had a bit of an interruption to getting the markings on the Kingfisher.  You remember the photos of my nice new workshop at the end of the house?  Well, it isn’t looking quite so nice now!  A long undetected leak from the bathroom upstairs finally found its way through the ceiling resulting in the visit of a plumber and the mess you can see here!

At least we found the source of the leak, so I can now get back to the workbench while we wait for the roof structure to dry out before putting in a new ceiling.  No damage to any models thankfully and my balsa wood stock remined dry.

Most markings are now applied to the model – nearly all from painted decal sheet plus a few laser printed items. The small white lettering on the red stripe was done by printing a red rectangle containing apertures for the letters onto white decal sheet.  After application, the fine white lines around the edge of the rectangle were touched up with red paint.  All cabin and cockpit framing is from silver painted decal sheet.

Mike S


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: iflyhlg on January 09, 2021, 12:22:32 PM
Absolutely stunning work Mike, luckily the ceiling didn't fall on the model.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 09, 2021, 02:56:23 PM
The model is stunning, Mike  :)

The ceiling is something I can relate to .... we have a flat roof dormer style house. There is the ever present chance of a leak. If it rains heavily I will go on tapping patrol, tapping for the telltale dull sound of damp plasterboard!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on January 09, 2021, 05:30:06 PM
Excellent finish Mike!

I started covering the Nardi. The structure is pretty lightweight so I assumed I would need to preshrink the tissue, however my earlier attempts to preshrink fell short of expectations despite the fact that I tried multiple methods. I use Esaki tissue and Brodak Nitrate dope, thinned down 50/50, if not thinner.

  • Tried preshrinking on a frame, with water, sprayed on liberally. Then covered and shrank the tissue again before doping. With this method I got the best results so far, but noting like what I see on many of those peanuts, dimers I see people build.
  • Tried preshrinking free (e.g. tissue not mounted on a frame), with water, sprayed on liberally. Then I ironed the tissue and covered with it, and attempted to shrink some more with inconsistent results.
  • Tried crumpling up the tissue, flattened it (no ironing) and covered with it. To my surprise, the tissue had zero -I mean zero- shrinking ability left in it. After spraying the model with water, the whole thing looked as if I simply put the model in a plastic bag  >:(.
  • Now with the Nardi, I'm trying with tissue preshrunk free, using steam. So far it feels like I'm on the right track, picture attached. I cannot be sure however whether I should follow this with a light steam shrinking (and drying with everything pinned down) and then dope, or dope directly. My specific question is about the tail feathers. What do you guys think? Any recommendations would be appreciated.

On the color scheme side, I decided to go with the Royal Hungarian Air Force colors. I am trying tissue chalking method for the first time and I'm pleased with the results so far, prior to doping. I understand the colors will become livelier once the tissue is doped. I wonder if they're going to be too bright  :).

Best,
--Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on January 09, 2021, 05:54:52 PM
This the type of frame I use for preshrinking. After you have attached your parts, weight them down overnight.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on January 09, 2021, 08:46:32 PM
This the type of frame I use for preshrinking. After you have attached your parts, weight them down overnight.

Thank you for the response. Yes, that was the plan but once I decided to go with the tri-color scheme on the tail surfaces, I didn't know how I could pull that method off. I'm inclined to lightly steam and dope.

--Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on January 09, 2021, 11:10:46 PM
Initially adding the covering (preshrunk) and add the individual pieces for color.  It's what most do.
I will say, don't add dope or whatever for final covering to both sides at the same time.  The tissue can sag and end up attached to the other side.  This only applies to such surfaces as the rudder and stab/ele.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on January 10, 2021, 04:13:35 AM
Hi all.
My turn to mess things up. Fitting the clear plastic panels on the canopy frame, I glued my fingers several times ... end result, several nice CA fingerprints on the  clear panels.  >:(
I had not the nerves to start again so back to the old good techniques.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on January 10, 2021, 04:14:38 AM
...and everything is ready for the fnal assembly !


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: NM on January 10, 2021, 05:55:07 AM
Hi all.
My turn to mess things up. Fitting the clear plastic panels on the canopy frame, I glued my fingers several times ... end result, several nice CA fingerprints on the  clear panels.  >:(
I had not the nerves to start again so back to the old good techniques.
I've had some success removing CA fogging on windshields using CA de-bonder. It was a while ago and I can't remember how I did it but I think dipping a cotton bud in then gently rubbing should work. I would imagine spare pieces of finger could also be removed. Iirc, the de-bonder evaporates completely.
At least you have some 'scrap' to practice with  :D
HTH
Nigel


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 10, 2021, 06:36:44 AM
So much great progress... I'm still in the virtual world.
My usual scattered mess of parts. I have added stringers, spars etc. but it is still very much a Nassise.
I will mould a canopy too .... the downward curve of the rear canopy will just be a mask and paint affair then.
Time to start cutting balsa nears!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 10, 2021, 07:59:59 AM
I’m sure all the prep will be worth it, Russ. Looking very promising. Some really lovely models on here. I only wish my tissue and finishing skills on the Swift were of the same highs standard. Ates, the colour on the Nardi looks superb. I shall have to try chalking again one day.

Anyway, it's now almost ready to go together. I’ve cut the markings from my last sheet of silver Esaki, and started applying them this morning. Trim stripe on, lettering still to go...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Squirrelnet on January 10, 2021, 12:38:28 PM
Nice bit of Autocad Russ, does that mean you will CNC cut your formers ?

Great to see so many coming together, some lovely models on here.

Pete Santa's new 'sleigh' is looking good and a huge improvement on the aerodynamically unviable thing he had before, I mean flying Reindeer I can except but that sleigh laden down must have caused so much drag  ;D


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 10, 2021, 01:59:49 PM
The Swift is looking good, Pete.  :)

Chris,
I like to trace the parts for a few reasons, but possibly CNC machining is the biggest motive.
It's useful to check the accuracy of the plan ... the scans can be distorted in many ways .... and we all make mistakes when hand drawing (or at least, I certainly do)
I have cut lots of balsa with my small CNC router using a 1mm dia. cutter. I could do with a new cutter though ... the current one has done some miles. I'm having problems with glitching at the moment so I have shifted to a new method (for me) that works very well.
This is using my vinyl cutter to cut self adhesive patterns.
I've found that I can cut parts pretty accurately this way ... though i have to admit that my cutter is not 100% accurate at times ... remembering that you have seen some of the cut vinyl as I write.
I used the same method for my Mooney builds:


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 10, 2021, 02:05:10 PM
... I forgot to say that once I have the plan in CAD it is much easier to try out different variations ... which is why you see I keep the original and the wing alteration as a separate drawing.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Squirrelnet on January 10, 2021, 03:08:04 PM
Russ - I only remember the vinyl you cut for me as being very good. It was very small too, much smaller than I could manage

It's interesting to see how you lay things out and project various former shapes, or even project out the plan in this case.

I like your wing mods and look forward to seeing it progress further.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 10, 2021, 05:40:28 PM
For most of my work in retail display I would be creating the parts for CNC machining from someone else's drawing or specifications so I would rarely produce a finished drawing .... my job would mostly be 'fire and forget'.
I like to keep a development trail in case I have to backtrack in any way. It's the same for my own designs .... I rarely produce a finished plan unless required.
Trouble is, I come back to some drawings and I feel I need Indiana Jones to decipher what I have done!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dosco on January 10, 2021, 08:28:40 PM
For most of my work in retail display I would be creating the parts for CNC machining from someone else's drawing or specifications so I would rarely produce a finished drawing .... my job would mostly be 'fire and forget'.
I like to keep a development trail in case I have to backtrack in any way. It's the same for my own designs .... I rarely produce a finished plan unless required.
Trouble is, I come back to some drawings and I feel I need Indiana Jones to decipher what I have done!


Russ:
Interesting plan you've shared, there. Is it for rubber power?

-Dave


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on January 11, 2021, 02:56:47 AM
Hi all.
My turn to mess things up. Fitting the clear plastic panels on the canopy frame, I glued my fingers several times ... end result, several nice CA fingerprints on the  clear panels.  >:(
I had not the nerves to start again so back to the old good techniques.
I've had some success removing CA fogging on windshields using CA de-bonder. It was a while ago and I can't remember how I did it but I think dipping a cotton bud in then gently rubbing should work. I would imagine spare pieces of finger could also be removed. Iirc, the de-bonder evaporates completely.
At least you have some 'scrap' to practice with  :D
HTH
Nigel
...and the funny thing is that my mobile phone need my fingerprint, by default,  to be unlocked - but that 'spare piece of finger' is solidly glued to the canopy... it took me a couple of hours to remember the pass code and to be able to use the phone again


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on January 11, 2021, 03:00:15 AM
So much great progress... I'm still in the virtual world.
My usual scattered mess of parts. I have added stringers, spars etc. but it is still very much a Nassise.
I will mould a canopy too .... the downward curve of the rear canopy will just be a mask and paint affair then.
Time to start cutting balsa nears!
Nice job !


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Squirrelnet on January 11, 2021, 03:55:15 AM
Quote
Trouble is, I come back to some drawings and I feel I need Indiana Jones to decipher what I have done!

There is a certain hieroglyphic quality to the drawing. Another nice plan Russ


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 11, 2021, 05:43:35 AM
Dave,
The Fw190 build is one of mine that has been going on for far too long now! .... it has been developed for both rubber and electric power.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: RalphS on January 11, 2021, 06:53:27 AM
Trouble is, I come back to some drawings

CAD is great for developing model plans.  I find the snag is that it is so easy to copy and paste, the initial small drawing quickly spreads.  The good thing is that when the need arises I can then gather the important bits together and print.  Just out of curiosity, are you left handed?

Ralph


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 11, 2021, 07:28:13 AM
Ralph,
I agree that a drawing can quickly swell, but if a 'proper' plan is required it is as easy to extract the required elements .... my problem is if I leave it to long and forget the 'revision path'! (I should make more notes!)
I'm right handed but left footed ... probably should be right footed for the good it ever did! My dad was left handed and a good artist.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 11, 2021, 06:03:22 PM
I'm calling the Comper Swift done, if Ian would kindly care to ink me in on the list.
Here are some pictures. It's nose heavy, but otherwise hopefully won't require too much trimming. Father Christmas is a few weeks late, due to too much holiday indulgence and not enough workshop hours at the Fardell Aerowerkes. Apologies to small children everywhere (good ones only that is).


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on January 11, 2021, 06:19:24 PM
Excellent and very cute! Nothing wrong with stretching out the holiday spirit :D


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on January 11, 2021, 07:16:54 PM
Congrats Pete. Love the finish, despite the few tiny wrinkles. And a pilot gets a gold star *
ian

[Still working on the Mustang skins and cockpit]


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on January 11, 2021, 09:10:13 PM
Nice finish Pete! Tons of character. And interesting to see your pre-build process Russ.

The Bellanca is progressing in full 10-cent "close enough" style; I glued on a 1/32" balsa cowl before realizing that I should have covered the fuselage first. Gluing on some bond paper and 1/16" balsa makeshift tissue anchors now, shouldn't be too visible when the tissue's on...



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 12, 2021, 09:44:01 AM
The vinyl patterns are all cut and 'weeded' ready to be transferred to balsa.
I like this method for a few reasons:
It's possibly cheaper than printing ... the vinyl might be cheaper than the ink used with a printer (the yellow is getting old now so best used up anyway)
You don't have to cut through the paper like with a printed pattern.
The vinyl is thin but still gives a definite shoulder to finish up to.

Link to a quick snippet of the machine running ... it really is just a plotter with a knife. Just in case anyone wondered what a vinyl cutter looked like!
 https://youtu.be/k40GJPSi8nk  (https://youtu.be/k40GJPSi8nk)



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: TheLurker on January 12, 2021, 12:06:37 PM
Quote from: Pete Fardell
I'm calling the Comper Swift done,....
And very charming it is too.  The scheme colours have a certain festive air about them.

Quote from: Pete Fardell
It's nose heavy...
Of course it is.  FC's elves thought about it very carefully when they were designing it.  It's to allow for all the presents in his sack on the outbound leg and the increase in his weight (all those mince pies, cake and sherry* add up you know) on the return leg.  

Lurk.

*Although the increase in his weight due to the sherry is more temporary than that occasioned by the mince pies and cake.  Especially if there's no cabin heating.   :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 12, 2021, 12:49:49 PM
Yes, I thought I had already commented on the Swift,  Pete ... a character build ... like the colours  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: ffscale on January 13, 2021, 06:43:26 AM
The Kingfisher is officially finished.  Final weight 23 grams without rubber.  I am hoping it won’t need much in the way of nose weight as it balances at about 1/3 chord.  Prop is a 6” Czech plastic one.  I think a loop of 3/16” rubber will be a little too much and 1/8" not enough, so will start with a loop of 3/32” plus a loop of 1/16” and see how we go.

This has been a very enjoyable Christmas project (which overran slightly).  Now to get back to the Herald! 

Mike S


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kkphantom on January 13, 2021, 06:52:32 AM
Nice work Pete, how did you attach the silver tissue trim? I presume the usual, 'dribble thinners through it' method is a non-starter with silver.

Gary


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kkphantom on January 13, 2021, 06:57:17 AM
The usual masterpiece Mike. I'm so glad I haven't put up any photos of my effort yet!

Gary


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 13, 2021, 08:59:48 AM
Nice work Pete, how did you attach the silver tissue trim? I presume the usual, 'dribble thinners through it' method is a non-starter with silver.
No dope. It’s all done by using a wet brush skooshed around on a Pritt type glue stick, and then the watery goop applied to the area it’s going onto or sometimes to the letter itself. If it gets damp I expect it’ll all fall off.

Mike, another gem! Your models always somehow look even better than the sum of their parts. Superb finish as always.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on January 13, 2021, 10:40:54 AM
Pete, Mike, beautiful models.  I'm finishing up a quick Guillows (!) fun build this week, hope to start the Beaver next week.

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on January 13, 2021, 11:05:12 AM
Wonderful finish Mike! That hi-pitch plastic prop should give it a good motor run.



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on January 13, 2021, 12:36:35 PM
Looks great Mike! And another gold star!

ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 13, 2021, 02:05:52 PM
A marvellous model, Mike  :)

Mike Nassise's designs seem to capture the essence of an aircraft ....and can be made to look even better with the minimum of additions.
I will have to take on one of these US colour schemes one day ... I would be happy if I could get anywhere near the quality of your finish.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Kevin M on January 13, 2021, 03:04:17 PM
Pete, Mike, both very attractive models. I'm sure M.N would have been very impressed with what you have done with his designs.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on January 16, 2021, 04:42:55 AM
Hi all. Congrats for the completed models, they are very nice.
The build of the SAI207 is complete. No pilots have accepted to fly it , though, so the cockpit is empty. You know, it is 1943 and it is difficult to find someone willing to confront P47, P38 and Spitfires behind a 750HP engine and two 12,7mm machine guns....It will take a while before the first flight tests, weather is very cold and wet. I will post some video as soon as possible

Marco


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on January 16, 2021, 01:06:55 PM
Looking good Marco! Brave pilots are indeed hard to find.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on January 16, 2021, 05:36:18 PM
Very nice work Pete, Mike and Marco  :)

Current state of affairs with the Fairchild is shown below. It's about 2.5g at this point.

Somehow I've made a booboo and printed it out to give a wing span of 13.5"  ::)
So it is now Peanot Scale.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on January 16, 2021, 05:59:57 PM
Mustang: I have been working slowly on some skins printed on light tissue in the RAF colours Dark Green and Ocean Gray. I have printed off the tail and wing topside skins. They are still attached to the carrier sheets for protection. I have to print off the lower wing and stab skins yet. Then the fuselage. We will see how well they work out in practice.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Crabby on January 16, 2021, 06:48:21 PM
Nice work there Marco!
I always liked the lines of that plane! Looks simple and sweet. I still have one in the dock to move before I can do mine! model looks like a born flier!

Jon, was that as simple as it looks?



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on January 17, 2021, 04:32:53 AM
Looking very nice Marco, like a dangerous army machine and definitely not like a toy! ;) Is the whole thing printed and if yes, did you water shrink it / krylon? Need to try this printing stuff one day, but have so many questions :D


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on January 17, 2021, 11:48:13 AM
Looking very nice Marco, like a dangerous army machine and definitely not like a toy! ;) Is the whole thing printed and if yes, did you water shrink it / krylon? Need to try this printing stuff one day, but have so many questions :D
Well, in this case I  had just around some paper of the right color, only the white parts have been painted with a rattle can. In my experience, when using printed tissue, the issues are two : if the tissue has been printed by a laser printer, the toner may almost seal the tissue, expecially if the colors are dark or dense, so it might be difficult to shrink the paper. If the tissue has been printed with an inkjet printer, colors are very susceptible to water and care must be taken to avoid that a wonderful camo scheme suddenly becomes a confused blur of an undefined color - I have been there already....


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on January 17, 2021, 12:01:12 PM
Thanks for the info Marco. Seems as not the best idea to do this, I always want a good water shrink for the washout, so that not only tissue is wet, but also wood below. Hope it will behave nicely, looks like a flier!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on January 17, 2021, 04:54:09 PM
Jon, was that as simple as it looks?

Pretty much Rob. I re-drew the wing and fuselage in CAD because the plan was wobbly. But it's basically as MN drew it.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 17, 2021, 06:13:19 PM
Nice work Marco, Jon and Ian  :)

The Fairchild looks very light.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on January 17, 2021, 09:06:31 PM
What a beauty Mike, very inspiring!

Marco, very attractive model, beautifully done. Italian aircraft designs from that era (and also the French ones) have this "je ne sais quoi" in my view (OK, maybe "non so cosa" for the Italian ones - thanks Google ;D). To me, the epitome of this is the C.202 Folgore for the Italian designs, and the Caudron racers for the French ones.

Jon, your Peanot class Fairchild reminded me of the time I printed the X dimension of the Broussard at 0.8x by mistake while keeping Y at 1.0x and ended up with a fat Broussard. Luckily yours has the right proportions :D.

Ian, are you printing with Durabrite inks or equivalent? If not, how are planning to shrink, seal etc? I, by mistake (lack of proper research actually) got an Epson Ecotank printer, thinking that all Epsons use Durabrite ink but it turned out this one doesn't >:(. I hear others use steam with success to shrink non-Durabrite printed tissue, I should try it sometime.

In other news, Nardi is coming along. I realized that I made a mistake by applying the serial numbers and the insignia, before doping. This caused some wrinkling of the underlying tissue. And the overall tissue job is not as good as it could be, but I'll live with it. At the moment I'm debating whether I should make the wing removable or not. I should decide on it tonight and start doping and putting the panel lines on, which is something I'm dreading for fear of ruining everything at the last moment.  :) Early CG estimates lead me to think that I'll need to carve a propeller. I'm thinking of installing a 8.5" prop on this model. That's what I have in the picture.



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on January 17, 2021, 09:22:28 PM
atesus, your model looks great! The Nardi looks finished already! I am using HP standard inks. The black won't run when wet (all lines are black), but the colours will, so I am experimenting on shrinking with steam on a sample first. Worst comes to worst, it won't be shrunk. Finish will be sprayed-on to seal, either krylon or 'dope' (nitrate lacquer).
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on January 18, 2021, 07:27:02 AM
Looking great Atesus, up to your usual great level of work!! 

Gives me incentive to get back to work on the MO-1. Had to miss the last few days due to a bout with CPPD.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on January 18, 2021, 08:05:41 AM
Jon, your Peanot class Fairchild reminded me of the time I printed the X dimension of the Broussard at 0.8x by mistake while keeping Y at 1.0x and ended up with a fat Broussard. Luckily yours has the right proportions :D.

 :D

I'm aspiring towards 'check twice, cut once' but perhaps I need to start with 'check at all, build once'. Baby steps...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on January 18, 2021, 09:17:58 AM
In other news, Nardi is coming along.

Really nice result, canopy framing looks great!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on January 18, 2021, 01:04:44 PM
In other news, Nardi is coming along.

Really nice result, canopy framing looks great!


Thanks but actually it is not really as great as it looks on the picture. I used standard printer paper covered with tissue and some thin clear acetate I happened to have. I should have used heavier weight paper or even better, card stock, and thicker acetate. Well there's always the next model :)  --Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: LivingRoomFlight on January 18, 2021, 03:17:04 PM
Well there's always the next model :)

Yes, that's one of the nicest things about this hobby!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on January 20, 2021, 02:49:40 AM
It is generally acknowledged that there are 5 stages of grieving once a model starts going pear-shaped:

  1. Denial
  2. Anger
  3. Looking for another project that might be easier
  4. Realising that the new one also has issues
  5. Going back on Hip Pocket and telling everyone the original is going great!

So I'm back to tell you the Bristol Scout is GOING GREAT!

Just a few minor frustrations, gluing bits in the wrong place, cutting twice and checking not at all etc

Think I'm back on track and will post some progress soon. The other models here are looking terrific - so I'm inspired to get going again.

Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on January 20, 2021, 09:32:06 AM
Here is attempt #3 at making the landing gear for the MO-1. Let's just say that attempts #1 and #2 failed to meet expectations!   ;D


After a fruitless search to find and accurate color scheme photo for the silver and yellow version of the MO-1, I was going to ask here if anyone could help. Then I took another look at the plans I used as my reference, and what did my wandering eye see? Why off to one side of the plans was a little note that said all silver "except" for top of wing and stab! Woo-Hoo!!

I did find in me search a photo of one plane that had a windscreen and cockpit installed half way between the pilot and rear gunner/observer. Need to research a bit more to see what I can find out about that one.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on January 20, 2021, 11:28:07 AM
What a beauty Mike, very inspiring!

Marco, very attractive model, beautifully done. Italian aircraft designs from that era (and also the French ones) have this "je ne sais quoi" in my view (OK, maybe "non so cosa" for the Italian ones - thanks Google ;D). To me, the epitome of this is the C.202 Folgore for the Italian designs, and the Caudron racers for the French ones.

Jon, your Peanot class Fairchild reminded me of the time I printed the X dimension of the Broussard at 0.8x by mistake while keeping Y at 1.0x and ended up with a fat Broussard. Luckily yours has the right proportions :D.

Ian, are you printing with Durabrite inks or equivalent? If not, how are planning to shrink, seal etc? I, by mistake (lack of proper research actually) got an Epson Ecotank printer, thinking that all Epsons use Durabrite ink but it turned out this one doesn't >:(. I hear others use steam with success to shrink non-Durabrite printed tissue, I should try it sometime.

In other news, Nardi is coming along. I realized that I made a mistake by applying the serial numbers and the insignia, before doping. This caused some wrinkling of the underlying tissue. And the overall tissue job is not as good as it could be, but I'll live with it. At the moment I'm debating whether I should make the wing removable or not. I should decide on it tonight and start doping and putting the panel lines on, which is something I'm dreading for fear of ruining everything at the last moment.  :) Early CG estimates lead me to think that I'll need to carve a propeller. I'm thinking of installing a 8.5" prop on this model. That's what I have in the picture.


Very nice model, Atesus. An incentive to build a Nardi !


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on January 20, 2021, 11:31:22 AM
Here is attempt #3 at making the landing gear for the MO-1. Let's just say that attempts #1 and #2 failed to meet expectations!   ;D


After a fruitless search to find and accurate color scheme photo for the silver and yellow version of the MO-1, I was going to ask here if anyone could help. Then I took another look at the plans I used as my reference, and what did my wandering eye see? Why off to one side of the plans was a little note that said all silver "except" for top of wing and stab! Woo-Hoo!!

I did find in me search a photo of one plane that had a windscreen and cockpit installed half way between the pilot and rear gunner/observer. Need to research a bit more to see what I can find out about that one.

Dan, there are some pictures of complete models on the Volareproducts website - they might be useful as reference
Marco


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on January 20, 2021, 02:32:45 PM
Thanks Marco. I checked it out and discovered 2 things:
1. I now have a 3rd color scheme to consider! :)

2. There is  no way I can make a model that looks that good.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on January 21, 2021, 12:16:06 AM
Bristol progressing...  used the method described by Marco (thanks Marco) for getting the stringers to line up.
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on January 21, 2021, 09:01:40 AM
You're welcome, Tim. For my info, what is the wing span of this new baby ?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on January 21, 2021, 09:11:19 AM
Bristol progressing... 

Lovely Tim! Nice turning (?)


I've made some progress on the PT-19 fuselage. The relevant formers were drawn slightly undersized to accommodate the 1/32" sheeting which was carefully dry fitted and then glued on with dabs of thin CA. To cut out the cockpit openings, I drew a template in CAD and stuck it on with glue stick. This peels off easily if it's only left on for a while.

Almost 3g now. I'm not sure whether to add the side stringers - the original has two but this isn't exactly hi-fidelity scale so I may keep it simple and 'dimey'.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 21, 2021, 09:30:41 AM
PT-19 and Scout both looking great. Jon, I've never in my life used the phrase, "Almost 3g now" for a model that already has both wings and a fuselage! And I really like the idea of sticking on the template temporarily to cut the cockpit openings. Thanks.

It is generally acknowledged that there are 5 stages of grieving once a model starts going pear-shaped:
  1. Denial
  2. Anger
  3. Looking for another project that might be easier
  4. Realising that the new one also has issues
  5. Going back on Hip Pocket and telling everyone the original is going great!

Tim, I like it but my own 5 stages go more like this:
1. Denial
2. Denial
3. Denial
4 .Denial
5. Denial (whilst taking a photo from a favourable angle and announcing that it's finished)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on January 21, 2021, 09:43:50 AM
Thanks Pete
I've never in my life used the phrase, "Almost 3g now" for a model that already has both wings and a fuselage!
And tailplane and fin  ;) it's all 1/20th Sams 'Outdoor' wood but actually not that light for a Peanot. Wheels and prop will bump it up significantly  :-\


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on January 21, 2021, 09:47:05 AM
Nice work Jon. There's definitely some joy for me with dedicating a build to being  clean but "dimey." and I've become a fan of using mid-weight 1/20" when possible instead of light 1/16".


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on January 21, 2021, 09:48:05 AM
Very clean work with the Bristol. Marco and Ates, nice finishes and can't wait to hear flight reports.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: lincoln on January 22, 2021, 10:01:45 AM
Thanks Pete
I've never in my life used the phrase, "Almost 3g now" for a model that already has both wings and a fuselage!
And tailplane and fin  ;) it's all 1/20th Sams 'Outdoor' wood but actually not that light for a Peanot. Wheels and prop will bump it up significantly  :-\

I built a 16 inch dime scale design that came out at 5 grams. It wasn't really harder than any other model, I just used light materials. Mostly 1/16" square sticks. I probably could have made it lighter if I hadn't used bond paper in places. I suppose if I'd built a Sopwith instead of a Porterfield,  it would be much heavier.

There are people who can build 18 inch models that are less than half a gram, minus rubber, but they're not scale and strictly for indoor flying, with the HVAC turned off. Come to think of it, there was a 42 inch model that was 1.2 grams. It flew for more than an hour.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on January 22, 2021, 10:09:25 AM
Progress report on the MO-1

Structure including landing gear weighs in at 18.59grams. With approx. area of 94 sq in gives about 0.19g per sq in.

Thinking of using the 9" prop shown, Too much? Too little?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on January 22, 2021, 10:46:02 AM
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Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on January 22, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
Progress report on the MO-1

Structure including landing gear weighs in at 18.59grams. With approx. area of 94 sq in gives about 0.19g per sq in.

Thinking of using the 9" prop shown, Too much? Too little?

Looking good Dan!  8) The prop size looks about right to me.

Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on January 23, 2021, 12:19:43 PM
Getting close with the Bellanca! At this point it just needs Krylon, windows, prop and final details. Might add an exhaust and a few sticks to simulate LG struts retracted partway into the wing. I'm uploading pictures now from my phone, will post in replies.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on January 23, 2021, 01:36:33 PM
Simulated dimer radial done with a compass and permanent pen.  ;D
I used 0.38 and 0.5mm MUJI pens for most of the graphics on this model, highly recommended.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on January 23, 2021, 01:45:19 PM
I was initially going to stencil with Design Master black, but consistent wind and sub-50F temperatures here in New York is not ideal for spraypainting. So, everything was done with pens in a 3-step process inspired by John Ernst.

1: Trace outlines over pattern with permanent pen
2: Fill in roughly with black Sharpie
3: Permanent pen to close small gaps between Sharpie and edges

Seems to work pretty well! And water tests confirm that bleeding shouldn't be an issue.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on January 23, 2021, 01:48:45 PM
Fuselage and nose block covering, stripes were done with 0.38mm pen and a ruler. I realized too late that I cut an extra window in the side of the fuse and misplaced the door, but I'm happy with my covering job and think I'll live with this kind of dimer-y error.



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on January 23, 2021, 01:56:26 PM
Final crop of pics - covered and ready for Krylon on a warmer day. I'm thinking I'll carve a balsa 6x7.5 prop, maybe finish it with black tissue and dope.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on January 23, 2021, 03:28:41 PM
Very nice Oliver! The black on yellow is very striking.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 23, 2021, 03:35:23 PM
Nice work, Oliver  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on January 23, 2021, 04:23:18 PM
Very nice work!!

Question for the experts. I'm using ink jet waterslide decal paper for the first time. Looking for clear coat recommendations that won't make the insignia bleeding all over the place.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on January 23, 2021, 06:35:19 PM
Very nice, Oliver. The graphics look excellent, I should give the method a shot.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on January 23, 2021, 06:37:26 PM
Very nice work!!

Question for the experts. I'm using ink jet waterslide decal paper for the first time. Looking for clear coat recommendations that won't make the insignia bleeding all over the place.

I use Krylon Crystal Clear matte on decals. 3--4 light coats with some drying time in between.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on January 23, 2021, 10:17:20 PM
Oliver - the Bellanca looks great - the lettering has worked well.

Marco the span of the drawing when I printed it was about 13.5 inch.

A very relaxing morning with my project doing sanding and clean up of the wings listening to the radio. A man and his PeaNOT (is this a new class now Yak52??).

I didn't bother reducing the plan to 13in. Here in OZ they fly Peanut at occasional comps in the other states, and at the Nats when there is indoor, but in South Australia our scale events have always been pretty informal in terms of rules. We used to have themes like WWI or Airliner etc - and if you brought along a model you qualified!  - Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on January 23, 2021, 11:03:55 PM
Bellanca is coming along nicely Oliver.

I spent some time today with the Beaver plan.  Scaled it up 125% and compared it to a couple three-view drawings.  The side view looks pretty close, but the fuselage is too narrow and the wing is smaller span and wider chord than shown on the three-views.  A quick bit of stretching and squeezing here and there seems to have things looking about right.  I'll take another look tomorrow and double-check the corrections I made to rib and former templates, then print it and start cutting wood.

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kenludd on January 25, 2021, 11:50:12 AM
Greetings All-
Just discovered this Cook-up, wish I would have seen it earlier. Big Nassise fan! (Built the PT-19, HellDiver & currently building MO-1) great plans, light structures ((cant say they fly well, cuz I've yet to throw them in the air!)) ...i will because Im building the MO-1 for the Stealth Squadron Postal Contest. I've never seen this list before of all his plans... wow! dang.  i've scoured the web for TailSpin back issue sources, Bay State Squadron Plans.. frustrating the lack there of - any of these?  Would be sad loss if these great plans just - vanished.
Does any one know of a source?
Does anyone happen to have the:
P-38 (Sept/Oct 99)
Morane Saulnier (Mar/Apr 98)

You've been at this for a bit - lots of great builds. is it late to join the fun??


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on January 25, 2021, 12:52:17 PM
Never too late kenludd. After all, MKelly hasn't started his project yet. Just let us know which model you are building and confirm it in this thread and we'll add you to the list.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: flyinryans on January 25, 2021, 02:00:34 PM
Just realized Im building from a Nassise plan. Helio Courier U-10B

I have never been able to get a scale plane to fly good. So I decided to go back to basics and try an easier plane. I think this one should do ok. The finish is horrible. I wanted to concentrate on a straight plane and then on trimming. Once I learn to get a model to fly I will focus on how to get a nice finish. Im tired of watching everyone else build beautiful planes  and having success. I want to be part of that too.

Joe


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: billdennis747 on January 25, 2021, 02:24:30 PM
It certainly looks nice and straight from here and is bound to go well. It's not horrible either. One suggestion next time is to get the tissue on a little tighter, then you won't have those wrinkles.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: flyinryans on January 25, 2021, 04:02:28 PM
Thanks for the comment. I was trying to stay away from tight skin because I always cause warps when I do that. Plus this is not the best tissue in the world. Didn't want to put the good stuff on a plane im probably going to break a few times. I would love to see in person someone doing all of the tissue work on a plane.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on January 25, 2021, 05:15:52 PM
Just realized Im building from a Nassise plan. Helio Courier U-10B

I have never been able to get a scale plane to fly good. So I decided to go back to basics and try an easier plane. I think this one should do ok. The finish is horrible. I wanted to concentrate on a straight plane and then on trimming. Once I learn to get a model to fly I will focus on how to get a nice finish. Im tired of watching everyone else build beautiful planes  and having success. I want to be part of that too.

Joe

Looks well built and straight, it looks like a flyer. What is the wingspan? It's usually easier to get larger models to fly well.

There are quite a few videos on tissue covering on Youtube, they may be helpful.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tissue+covering


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on January 25, 2021, 05:27:47 PM
Nice clean build Joe. The tissue covering looks fine, looking forward to seeing how it flies!

Thanks all for the Bellanca comments. In the process of carving a balsa prop and drill-lathing some wheel halves. Will probably try a turned cowl to get a beautiful finish like THB's next time, especially if I'm doing a non-dime scale.

Welcome Ken!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kenludd on January 25, 2021, 07:34:15 PM
Ok thanks! Sign me up. Building the Cessna AW-10


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on January 25, 2021, 08:37:37 PM
It's just Cessna AW. "10" goes with the term "10-center". As in "dime scale."


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on January 25, 2021, 10:57:17 PM
Two new builders entered in the cookup. Lists updated.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kenludd on January 26, 2021, 09:39:05 AM
OK - stop the presses. I was trying to pick something that WAS NOT being built - with all my "Cessna" confusion - it appears I have erred and am duplicating. SO - I dont believe anyone is building the P-47??
If this is correct - put me down for the Thunderbolt please. Thanks!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on January 26, 2021, 12:40:31 PM
OK Ken, revision made. Hope to see your progress in the near future.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 26, 2021, 04:00:13 PM
I considered the Thunderbolt ... interested to see how it builds  :)

I have actually started cutting balsa for the Caudron now!



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on January 27, 2021, 02:48:51 AM
My Nardi FN. 305 in Royal Hungarian Air Force colors is almost done. I have to glue the fin in place and tack glue the stab (to allow for minor incidence adjustments), carve a prop then wait for dry weather and tall grass.

As I expected, the model is grossly nose heavy with the 8.5" prop (7.5g) shown in the pictures. I need more like 4g in the prop to balance the model at the CofG I calculated. Right now it is a good 3/4" in front of that spot.

I ended up making the wing removable for ease of transportation. It's held in place by a locating pin in front, and three small neodymium magnets near the trailing edge.  

The nose block is a K&B unit, which I like to use in smaller models.

The model -less rubber and and prop- weighs just under 20g. I'm planning to fly it with a 8.5" prop (1.2-1.4 pitch) and 4 strands of 3/32" motor. Assuming I'll stay below 28g AUW, the wing loading will be around 0.37 g/sq in which I'm happy with. I made lots of rookie mistakes and a few mishaps while building this model but I enjoyed this build very much just the same. I tried and learned many new things. Some of those are, my first chalked tissue, my first tissue trim, a new pre/post shrinking method I tried -which I hope will give me my first non-pretzeling tail surfaces (so far so good, knock on wood  ;D).

I'll add the flight videos as soon as I get a chance to go out to fly.

Best,
--Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 27, 2021, 05:57:03 AM
That looks great, Ates  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on January 27, 2021, 06:40:20 AM
Great looking model Ates!!!!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kenludd on January 27, 2021, 07:44:20 AM
nice n clean... Great work!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on January 27, 2021, 12:24:22 PM
Absolutely! Hope this comes out right...what I like is that it looks like a very nicely executed model and not an attempt to replicate a miniature of a real plane, that way, folks can admire the construction skills without getting hung up on things that don't matter. Best of all, I bet it flys superbly too!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on January 27, 2021, 03:17:34 PM
Thank you for your nice words, fellows!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on January 27, 2021, 04:28:50 PM
That came out very nice Ates, and at that weight you're likely to see it fly away.  Well done!

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 27, 2021, 05:37:09 PM
That Nardi is a beauty, Ates! Just love those colours and crisp finish.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on January 28, 2021, 06:43:30 AM
Help!!!!!

Assistance desperately needed!!!

Okay, not really desperate but I'm completely confused.  I covered the fuselage of the MO-1 with some silver tissue I bought last year from Easy Built. I attached it in my usual fashion with a glue stick, gave it over night to dry then spritzed it with water. The result is clear in the picture. I swear that rather than shrink it got bigger!!

Oops! Forgot to say that when I first went to shrink it I grabbed the wrong bottle and hit it with 70% rubbing alcohol. Could that have screwed it up?

The tissue was shiny on one side, matte on the other. I attached it shiny side out.  Re-sprayed it with water then a heat gun on low. That pulled it sorta tight, but then as it cooled it went right back to wrinkled blue jeans.

I know I'll need to recover, but looking for advice/suggestions to prevent a repeat. I have enough to finish the model, but not if multiple attempts are needed.

Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on January 28, 2021, 09:51:51 AM
Lovely work Ates!


PT-19 bones shots...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on January 28, 2021, 12:59:59 PM
Dan, I feel your pain. I haven't a clue what happened, but I wouldn't use alcohol with that much water in it. See my story below.

Work progresses slowly. I covered the stabilizer and rudder components with the printed tissue. I had to reprint and recover the top of the stab because the first attempt messed up. The light tissue that I am using has only minimal shrinkage, so  the tissue has to go on tight.

  Originally, I used alcohol (99% isopropanol) on the tissue to shrink it on a frame. Then I ironed the tissue flat and attached it to a carrier sheet to run through the inkjet printer. Then I ironed it again and stuck it on with thinned glue around the edges. Then I sprayed it with a light water mist that did very little to shrink it. I might have to find another white tissue source if the wings don't work out.

  Also, I was concerned initially with the ink running when wet, but the HP ink that I am using is not affected by water at all! Hooray! Stab and rudder weigh in at 1.2 g covered.

ian

Nice looking bones Yak52!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on January 28, 2021, 01:33:04 PM
...I know I'll need to recover, but looking for advice/suggestions to prevent a repeat. I have enough to finish the model, but not if multiple attempts are needed.

You aren't alone in having problems with silver tissue. It can be a real hassle to work with particularly over contours.

Looking at your fuselage, did you apply adhesive to the vertical frames as well as the longerons and then cover the side in one piece? You might have better luck by covering with smaller panels with this tissue. Did you dope the frame first and then sand it smooth? I've had problems with tissue adhesion with glue sticks and now use a thinned white glue. I also put the tissue on "wet" and then try to work out the wrinkles as best I can. I let the tissue dry naturally, sometimes hurrying it with a hair dryer has caused the tissue to lift. Finally, you can work out wrinkles after the tissue has dried by wetting the frame and gently giving the tissue a tug or two. Thanks to MKelly for these tips. 


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on January 28, 2021, 01:40:28 PM
Also, I was concerned initially with the ink running when wet, but the HP ink that I am using is not affected by water at all!

ian

Which HP ink (cartridge) are you running?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: billdennis747 on January 28, 2021, 01:41:59 PM
The tissue was shiny on one side, matte on the other. I attached it shiny side out.  Re-sprayed it with water then a heat gun on low. That pulled it sorta tight, but then as it cooled it went right back to wrinkled blue jeans.
Wow, that's bad. It doesn't look the same as Esaki. On my one and never again attempt with Esaki I put it on shiny silver side out and it wouldn't shrink - water off a duck's back. Then I was told it had to go dull side out. Hopefully Mike Kelly will be along soon!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on January 28, 2021, 02:04:51 PM
...the HP ink that I am using is not affected by water at all!

I need some of that! What is the name of the HP ink?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on January 28, 2021, 02:18:37 PM
Dan,
As Bill said, if it's the same stuff as I got from Flitehook years ago, it does need  the silver to go to the inside.
Have you tried shrinking from the inside on the areas accessible? At least you would know where you are going with the stuff.

Jon,
That's looking great  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on January 28, 2021, 02:26:52 PM
I am using an HP 6700 deskjet printer with non-refillable cartridges 932(black)/933(colour) standard cartridges.
ian
https://www.staples.ca/products/108231-en-hp-932xl-black-high-yield-933-cyan-magenta-and-yellow-original-ink-cartridges-4pack-n9h62fn (https://www.staples.ca/products/108231-en-hp-932xl-black-high-yield-933-cyan-magenta-and-yellow-original-ink-cartridges-4pack-n9h62fn)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kenludd on January 28, 2021, 02:27:34 PM
Yuck- Im sorry that your misfortunes are helping me with my next step on the Martin Im building.  Ive read that Silver Tissue is a female dog. I would say using that high of an alcohol content afterwards loosened it? Does the tissue need pre-shrinking??
I will for sure be making a box frame mock-up and doing a 50/50 white glue adhesion test. dang...

Thunderbolt- my progress has been all behind a 'puter.  I learned with my first Nassise build (PT-19)  ...need to re-draw and measure everything (mine has the two size wings - havent flown it yet - guessing it will turn that way??)
Over all - this plan was pretty set; didnt realize it had a 20" wing span- noice..
Got a lot to cut!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on January 28, 2021, 02:57:13 PM
Ates, the Nardi is great. I am sure it will fly as well as it looks.
Dan, if only one side of the tissue is 'wettable' and you want to keep the shiny side out, you may try to wet the tissue before attaching it. It works with glue stick as well, there is a nice tutorial on youtube from a canadian guy, try to search for 'bern covering'.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Kevin M on January 28, 2021, 03:21:11 PM
Dan, sorry to see your problems. I have used silver Esaki quite a bit, but not the tissue that you are using, so I’m not sure how similar it is and whether the following will be relevant. However it may be worth a try. I hated the silver Esaki at first, but have grown to like it having got a bit of a feel for it.

As everyone is saying, put the shiny side in. I apply it with glue stick too, but then lock down the edges (small 1/16-ish overlap) with thinned white woodworking glue. Anywhere there is compound curvature I dampen the tissue when applying and then gently work it with my thumbs pretty much the whole time it is drying (at room temp). I just use plain water for shrinking.

My first attempt at silver tissue was the Fury in the pic; it took me three attempts to get one of the wing panels right, and more than one on some of the compound curved bits of the fuselage. Subsequently I have used it on several other models and things went more smoothly. As you can see, not perfect but acceptable.

It doesn’t look at all silver until you dope it, then the silver comes through (better in strong light).


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: billdennis747 on January 28, 2021, 03:44:07 PM
. As you can see, not perfect but acceptable.
No, I'd say perfect.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Crabby on January 28, 2021, 04:06:17 PM
Dan I have done a few silver models, my Mig -15 was the last one and the silver came out pretty well. First thing is to cover with black, then get a can of Krylon silver or design master floral. I made a spray box with a dowel going through it. The Mig fuse is round so with holes at each end so I was able to run the dowel straight through and out the other end of the spray box. You fix the fuse to the dowel so it can spin while you spray it. You will have to fig out how to do it with the MO-1 fuse, but its not rocket science. The thing is to keep the fuse spinning while you spray to get a uniform coat. Wings and tail surfaces are done the conventional way. I have heard too many similar stories to yours when it comes to silver tissue. BTW use 91% alcohol to shrink, but keep the cap tight or the alcohol will evaporate leaving you with an elevated water content. Sorry for the novel.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on January 28, 2021, 04:49:42 PM
Thanks for the info folks, will keep it in mind.  However after the unmitigated disaster of the first attempt, and not having enough of the silver for multiple attempts, I've decided to go with this color scheme. How accurate it is I have no idea, but I just want to get this model finished.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on January 28, 2021, 06:48:02 PM
Sorry to hear of your tissue issue Dan - sparked some good discussion about silver tissue covering and I like the scheme you're going with.
PT-19 bones look great Jon! And looking forward to hearing flight reports Ates.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on January 28, 2021, 07:45:22 PM
Sorry to see the tissue woes Dan.  I haven't worked with the EasyBuilt silver tissue, only the silver Esaki from Volare Products.  I've had good luck treating that like ordinary Esaki - cover damp (50/50 water/rubbing alcohol mist) with the shiny side out using UHU glue stick as the adhesive.  I've never had any luck using a heat gun to shrink tissue - for me it seems to pull the moisture out of the tissue before the fibers can contract, and the airflow over the tissue stretches it a bit when you're trying to get it to shrink.

My stock of silver Esaki is dwindling - I'm going to try the silver paint over black tissue on a future project.

Hope you get better results with the new color scheme.

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on January 29, 2021, 05:53:56 AM
Before I abandoned the silver color scheme I did a test. I made a test frame and attached 6 swatches of the silver, three shiny side out, 3 shiny side in.

#1 Water applied to shiny side and dull side - Result: Wrinkled blue jeans
#2 Lacquer applied to shiny and dull side - Result: Wrinkled blue jeans
#3 Nitrate dope applied to shiny and dull side - Result: slight amount of shrinkage, but not enough to convince me to use it on the model.

I'm giving consideration to trying the silver paint on black tissue.

Update:

Well dang, I went through my stash of tissue and discovered that while I have the yellow, I don't have any light blue. And now I'm very gun shy about ordering some. Who has recommendations for where to source tissue that they've had success with?

I did send Dave at Easy Built an email explaining my issue with the silver and asking for his advice, will let folks know what they say.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on January 29, 2021, 10:40:24 AM
Before I abandoned the silver color scheme I did a test. I made a test frame and attached 6 swatches of the silver, three shiny side out, 3 shiny side in.

Have you tried putting the silver tissue on "wet"?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on January 29, 2021, 04:35:43 PM
Got a reply from Ann at Easy Built, pointing me to their tips section. I always forget about that. Anyway a  very good article on using their metallic silver tissue. Might give it another go.

Question: difference between "damp" and "wet" ??? Tricks to get damp and not wet?

Thanks


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Sky9pilot on January 29, 2021, 05:03:31 PM
Here's a link to that "Tips article" on Easy Built Models:  Click Here  (https://easybuiltmodels.com/Using_Silver_Tissue.pdf)
I like Easy Built Tissue and have used it alot! Here's a link to my Veron F-86 build on S&T:  Click Here  (https://www.stickandtissue.com/forum/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1449792595/11)
Sky9pilot


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kenludd on January 29, 2021, 05:12:44 PM
like those clamps you made there - was thinking i need something like that for the P47 fuse - that little nail/pin - perfect?
you really got a nice finish with that silver!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on January 29, 2021, 05:31:30 PM
Question: difference between "damp" and "wet" ??? Tricks to get damp and not wet?

First, depends on how strong the tissue will be when "wet" ("wet" meaning only the opposite of "dry"). I use all kinds of tissue, from Esaki that handles water well to gift wrapping tissue that doesn't.

For Esaki type tissues, I lightly spray the tissue piece, just enough to relax any wrinkles but not so much as to soak it. If the structure isn't likely to warp as the tissue dries, I'll spray with water. If not, I'll use an alcohol/water mix, keeping in mind that excess alcohol may cause some adhesives to "unstick".  I use an atomizer mister for spraying that helps in not overwetting the tissue.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KJ795WJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

So, for silver tissue, I avoid large pieces especially when doing fuselages. I'll spray the backside (dull side) and apply tissue shiny side up using a glue stick or diluted white glue. I really like this stuff:

https://www.aleenes.com/aleenes-turbo-tacky-glue

Then position the tissue as best as possible and let dry overnight. Respray as needed for wrinkles. Sometimes works, sometimes not. Haven't tried steam yet, it's on my do list.

Here's a scratch-built Spartan Bomber modified to took like a pre-war Devastator where I used Esaki silver.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on January 30, 2021, 07:43:50 AM
Woo-Hoo! Success!!

First, mega-kudos to Dave and the customer service from Easy Built Models!!  Fantastic people!

I had asked Dave about the difference between "damp" and "wet".  He gave me a description  of how he uses the metallic silver. He lightly sprays both sides of the tissue, then wraps it in a towel to blot the excess while he applies adhesive to the frame. I followed his recommendations, and Damn, it worked!!

Picture #1 - The original photo from my first attempt, wrinkled blue jeans

Picture #2 - The results following Dave's instructions. I know, I know, it's not drum tight, and it needs a bit more work on the nose, but I'll take it at this point. I'll use this as a learning project.

Dave explained that the metallic silver is made by spraying a layer of silver ink on one side of the tissue. I can see where this would impede getting the liquid into the fibers. Spritzing both sides and letting it sit for a few minutes seems to be the secret.

So I'm back to the original color scheme.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 02, 2021, 09:46:15 AM
The bits are covered!  From a Minimum distance of 10' or more it looks reasonable! :) :) :)

Still need to add detail to the fuselage such as rear gunner, observer and pilot.  Also need to fasten the wheels to the axles and make the wing fairings.

This has been a model of firsts. First time using metallic silver tissue. Big Thank You to Dave at Easy Built Models for the technique of getting the tissue applied, and to Crabby for the tip of using Krylon Metallic Silver to even out the finish, it worked amazingly well!

First time making and applying my own waterslide decals. (And yes, the inkjet ink dissolves very quickly in warm water if not clear coated!)

Actually starting to look forward to getting this thing in the air!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on February 02, 2021, 11:36:04 AM
Looks great Dan  8)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Kevin M on February 02, 2021, 01:20:08 PM
Well done Dan, worth persevering with the silver, it opens up a lot of nice subjects and schemes.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Rich Moore on February 02, 2021, 02:47:58 PM
This looks like fun. I might try and join in...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on February 02, 2021, 04:42:36 PM
Good looking Dan!
Come on in Rich! The water is fine.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on February 02, 2021, 04:46:52 PM
Nicely done Dan! Hope to see this beauty at Waegell. OCD contest schedule is up on the web site at www.oaklandclouddusters.org.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Rich Moore on February 03, 2021, 04:39:52 PM
Still pondering. Ambrosini, Kawasaki K-61 or Fiat G.50? I'll sleep on it...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 03, 2021, 04:44:54 PM
Thanks ates, hope to make it out this year. Though  compared to the jewels you create mine are but rookie attempts.
By this time tomorrow I hope to label this model as finished. Only thing left is attaching tail feathers and deciding whether or not to make wing removable.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on February 04, 2021, 03:59:36 AM
Still pondering. Ambrosini, Kawasaki K-61 or Fiat G.50? I'll sleep on it...


Look forward to your decision  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Rich Moore on February 04, 2021, 06:49:45 AM
I've got to say - these FAC newsletters are great! There are some really nice plans in them, including the Nassise plans of course. Leaning towards the Fiat G.50. It is arguably quite ugly in a beautiful kind of way (my logic), which I like. Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think anyone is building it for this cook-up yet. I'm going to try and build it in the way I think Nassise intended these 'Dime-scalers' (?not sure about the terminology) to be built - quick! Except it'll have to wait for the weekend...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on February 04, 2021, 12:27:08 PM
No-one is doing the Fiat G-50 yet. So when you make a final decision, I'll add you to the list.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Rich Moore on February 04, 2021, 03:35:43 PM
Quote
No-one is doing the Fiat G-50 yet. So when you make a final decision, I'll add you to the list.
ian

Decision made - plans are now printed for the G-50. Please put me on the list!

I haven't scaled it. Just doing the 16" as published.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 04, 2021, 04:15:02 PM
I thought I was going to be able to call the MO-1 finished today, but was not to be.  After some thought I decided I really did not like te upper cowl as per plans. It looked horrible and flimsy, and in fact I had already broken one of the stringers just handling it.

So I cut out the stringers and carved a light weight balsa upper that I hollowed out to about 3/32" thick, then attached and re-covered the nose.

Will be complete, with pictures tomorrow for sure.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on February 04, 2021, 04:17:54 PM
Beautiful covering job Dan! The extra time invested in silver tissue and nose contour has paid off. I've left noses as-is that I was unsatisfied with, and what you've done is definitely worth the extra time.

Looking forward to seeing the finished product. Bellanca on hold until the cold and snow let up a bit and I can get some Krylon on the tissue.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 04, 2021, 08:16:35 PM
Being a newbie at rubber powered models I need some advice.

For this model I'm using a 9" propeller.  I made up a motor of 4 strands of 3/32" rubber. I put in 200 winds to test and I'm underwhelmed with how little power it seemed to have. I don't have any way measure RPM but it seemed slow to me.

Do I need 3/16" rubber instead?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on February 05, 2021, 12:26:26 AM
Update to List.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on February 05, 2021, 05:20:47 AM
Being a newbie at rubber powered models I need some advice.

For this model I'm using a 9" propeller.  I made up a motor of 4 strands of 3/32" rubber. I put in 200 winds to test and I'm underwhelmed with how little power it seemed to have. I don't have any way measure RPM but it seemed slow to me.

Do I need 3/16" rubber instead?

What's your wingspan and model weight Dan?
How long is the motor?
That sounds quite a big prop.
And 200 hundred turns isn't that many either. It depends on the motor size and length but 1000-1500 turns would be a ball park figure for a normal scale model.

Start off getting the right size prop and the right length of motor.
Then choose the motor thickness/strands.
Then use a calculator to work out the maximum turns it will take.

Jon


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 05, 2021, 05:27:40 AM
I am here by officially calling my poor rendition of Mike Nassie's designed Martin MO-1 to be finished!!

Specs: Wingspan 25"
           All up weight: 43.5 grams (w/4 7.5" strands of 3/32" rubber)
           Prop: 9" (Stolen from my Dumas 30" Beaver)

Deviations from plan:
1. Enlarged 150% to 25" span
2. Addition of sub-spars to wing.
3. Upper cowl carved from balsa block rather than using stringers.
4. Rear wing fairing made from light weight balsa block rather than card stock.
5. Added mid-wing observer details.

This was a fun, though at times frustrating, project. And I achieved another first!  I had calculated a 36% CG, or about 1/4" behind the main spar. And damned if the model didn't balance exactly there, WITHOUT adding nose or tail weight!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Rich Moore on February 05, 2021, 05:36:01 AM
Quote
rendition of Mike Nassie's designed Martin MO-1 to be finished!!

That looks good! And it looks like a flyer to me. Enlarging it makes it a nice size. Thanks for the inspiration...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 05, 2021, 05:46:52 AM
Hello Yak 52, see previous post for model specs.   I only put the 200 winds in to check that nothing was hitting or binding and to get an idea of power.  It turned out to be a lucky accident that I didn't add any more, as I managed to miss the hole for the rear peg on one side and managed to tear a hole in the covering. Any more and I might be rebuilding or recovering the fuselage!!

I do have an 8" (grey) prop I can try.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on February 05, 2021, 07:21:44 AM
The 9 incher is probably ok then - just slightly bigger than 1/3 of the span. Bigger is better for duration as long as you can trim the model ok.

I suspect you'll need more rubber though...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on February 05, 2021, 08:38:34 AM
Looks great Dan!  What's the weight without rubber?

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on February 05, 2021, 12:27:47 PM
Dan, looks very nice. The extra work in the nose paid off.

With the airframe specs you listed, 4x1/8" or even 6x 3/32" would be a good place to start, in my opinion.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 05, 2021, 12:29:46 PM
MKelly the weight sans motor is 41.7grams


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on February 05, 2021, 01:34:42 PM
Nice finish Dan, and always good when it balances in the right place without ballast. I agree with Ates, motor-prop matching varies widely with wing area, loading, and layout but 9" seems good with at least 2 loops 1/8".

In general, I like using a 7" prop with 3/16" (same as 2 loops 3/32") for 16-22" ws scale models, and going up to 8 or 9" with 4 strands 1/8" or a little more for mid-upper 20 inch span.

What's your hook-to-peg distance? If you're braiding the motor, you could probably go 3-4 times that length.

Lots of good articles on rubber motor length, braiding, etc (maybe too many) in the PFFT archives if you ctrl+F "motor":

http://flyingacesclub.com/wp/the-fac-library/the-pfft-archives/


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on February 05, 2021, 02:51:35 PM
MKelly the weight sans motor is 41.7grams

Two loops of 1/8" should do it.  If that seems anemic try one loop of 1/8" plus one loop of 3/16".  The model looks great and has a lot of wing - should fly nicely.

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on February 05, 2021, 03:52:59 PM
ESTIMATING RUBBER
CROSS-SECTION
REQUIREMENTS
by Don Srull
As published in the Jan/Feb 1994 issue of MaxFax, Tom Schmitt & Don Srull, Editors
One of the first questions to be answered before test flying that new rubber scale or sport job is: "How many strands should the rubber motor have? "Many experienced modelers have developed a 'feel', a sixth sense, for how much cross- section will likely be needed for any given model. For relative newcomers to our sport, however, a reasonable starting point may not be nearly that obvious. The "optimum" rubber cross- section, of course, will depend on many complicated variables, some predictable and others quite slippery, and is best determined by test flying. Nevertheless, a reasonable first guess could save much unnecessary effort and wasted trial and error; and if that first guess could be calculated simply and quickly it would be of use to the newcomer.
I have kept records of most of my models over the years, and looked to see if there was any pattern of rubber cross-section I had been using. For about fifty of my models (mostly scale and sport types, plus a few old timers) I plotted total model weight vs total rubber width. VOILA! A surprisingly consistent and simple relationship appeared:
MOTOR WIDTH IN INCHES = TOTAL MODEL WEIGHT IN GRAMS ÷ 90
Motor width as used above is equivalent to motor cross- section (for uniform rubber thickness), and it is much easier to calculate than actual cross-section. For example, a 4 strand motor of 1/8" rubber has a width of 4 x 1/8 = 1/2".
To use the above relationship, first estimate the total weight of your newly finished model by weighing the airframe( in grams) and adding about 25 % more for the rubber motor. Divide this number by 90, to get the rubber motor width in inches. Motors of this size will provide enough torque for scale-like flight, rather than hot contest model performance. For scorching fast climbs, increase the width by 20% or so. EXAMPLE: the airframe of your model weighs 75 grams - plus 25 % (19 grams) for a motor gives a 94 gram estimated total weight. Calculate a 94/90 = 1.04" motor width. In this case a 4 strand 1/4" rubber motor would do the trick. Easy, eh? Remember though, it's only a starting point. Keep test flying and adjusting motor width, length, and prop size to edge closer to that ethereal "perfect flyer".
 

SO, for your MO-1,  (1.25 x 41.7)/90=0.58"   which would be close to 2 strands of 1/8", and 2 strands of 3/16".  (Total cross section of 5/8".)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on February 05, 2021, 10:17:06 PM
Well done Dan - great looking model - and admire your tenacity in overcoming everything that got thrown at you and get it done. Inspired me to get back to the Bristol...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 06, 2021, 05:13:38 AM
Thanks for the kind words folks. This model gave me the inspiration to finally tackle a 30" model of a Grumman Guardian. I purchased the kit from Mike Midkiff well over a year ago, completed it to the point of covering, and stopped. The intimidation factor of covering a completely round fuselage was off the charts.

Well I can now say that everything except for one wing panel and the cowl is covered.  I've resurrected the build thread in the Free Flight Scale forum.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on February 06, 2021, 09:52:44 AM
Just about finished covering the PeaNot Fairchild.
Proper esaki and dope is such a joy to work with  :)

Steaming comes next. The yellow wing and tail tissue was preshunk on a frame, but there should be a little bit left to take up the wrinkles.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kenludd on February 06, 2021, 10:43:29 AM
P47 Update: Washout Question -
I've yet to include this in a model, and it seems like this is a perfect time (and model) to do this. 10" wing = 1/8" at the tip?
Do I have this right? 

I attached a schematic how Im thinking of building this.
Do I have this correct too??

Like this Jug to at least fly a bit - trying to build 'er lite and strong. (biggest plane ive yet build - other than the control line some 40 yrs ago!)
Thanks for all your insight and wisdon


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on February 06, 2021, 11:24:06 AM
Very pretty Jon, can already tell it’ll look good in the air.
Ken, seems like an appropriate washout setup for that size to me.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on February 06, 2021, 12:04:13 PM
Thanks Oliver  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 06, 2021, 07:53:10 PM
PB_guy, did you catch my post that the MO-1 has been completed?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on February 06, 2021, 09:30:50 PM
Congrats Dan, it looks beautiful! Silver is a tough tissue to get done right. And the rest of the finish is top notch too! Yellow wings fly better.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on February 07, 2021, 06:30:36 AM
Never a real fan of 'bond paper' coverings - thanks to Mike Nassise plans I'm now changing my viewpoint and starting to enjoy it. Did some reading of some of the other threads which helped - suggesting watercolour painting paper and other types. Used here is a piece of coloured copy paper that's close as I could get to 'balsa colour' so there is no bright white bond paper showing through the tissue. Anyway, the paper is done now and it's on to the tissue and struts etc etc...
Tim  


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dputt7 on February 07, 2021, 07:32:39 AM
  Nice to see some action happening Tim.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Rich Moore on February 08, 2021, 10:43:33 AM
Had fun on Saturday with the Fiat G.50. Got most of the big bits done. Didn't have much time to spare on Sunday but tried pulling in the front of the fuselage to meet F5. I wet the balsa to help it along, but the glue joints dissolved and it started disassembling itself! - so much for thinking the PVA I'm using is my usual exterior grade/ 'waterproof when dry' variety. Any way, quick re-build and an overnight to dry has allowed me to get to what is shown in the piccy.
The fuselage is currently wedged into a crude fixture to hold the front end onto the former whilst it dries (overnight).


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on February 09, 2021, 06:52:18 AM
Nice save Rich. Damn that PVA.
Just some covering progress. I know we all worry about getting the covering just right. But every close up I see of WW1 planes seem to show terrible covering jobs.
For the Bristol I pulled out a sheet of 'Earlybird Tissue'. Must have been in the box for 30 years...  The time has come!
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kenludd on February 09, 2021, 09:23:14 AM
that Bristol is looking real nice!
(on the list some day)

so many planes - so little time..


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on February 09, 2021, 11:10:41 AM
Rapid early progress, Rich  :)

I do like the look of the Scout, Tim  :)



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Rich Moore on February 09, 2021, 03:35:34 PM
Quote
But every close up I see of WW1 planes seem to show terrible covering jobs.

Wow - I've managed to recreate that level of finish many times!

There was something funny going on with the stringers around the cockpit on my G.50. The side view was looking good, but in plan view, the edges of the cockpit were splayed. I've had to make some adjustments to the notch positions to rectify, but otherwise, it has been a fun build so far. I just need to get the tail fin built and invest some time with my sanding blocks before I can do a proper bare bones shot.
I am a little worried about the top spar only wing, but I'm building to plan with this one.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on February 10, 2021, 10:43:28 AM
So many nice models !
Here the weather keeps changing for horrible to miserable and then back to horrible again...non chance for flight tests yet


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on February 10, 2021, 07:44:42 PM
I have really been working on this model. It just has taken some time to get things together. The wings and tail feathers are covered and doped. I did the nose block (not shown) and worked on the canopy. The canopy framework is bamboo. I split bamboo from dollar store coffee stir sticks. The 'hoops' were formed over a shaped block with a soldering iron and touched up with the same heat source to get the right curvature. The center hoop was made from two hoops glued together to get the right thickness. The weight of the bamboo is only about 0.25g.  I added some infill in a few places to take the load. Marco's canopy was the incentive for this. Thanks Marco.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on February 12, 2021, 04:37:09 AM
Nice bamboo work Ian, and the tissue/print is a good look.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Rich Moore on February 12, 2021, 08:53:39 AM
Fiat G.50

Basic bits finally built. I had hoped to build the whole frame last weekend, but didn't manage it. I have been stealing moments of time throughout the week to get it to the stage shown. Quickly cobbled a couple of engines on powerpoint, to which I might add some pushrods to give a bit of texture/ relief to make it a little less flat. I added the dihedral as shown on the plan. 1.1/2" looks a bit harsh, and if I were to build it again, I think I would make one deviation from the plan and reduce it.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on February 12, 2021, 12:46:44 PM
Thanks for the bones shot, Rich. Looks good with that 'engine'. Looking from afar, it does not seem that the dihedral is at all excessive.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on February 12, 2021, 02:31:51 PM
Great looking models, everyone.

I've been seeing MN plans for years in his excellent newsletter, but had not seen one built in real life or even in color pictures. I am fascinated by how approachable his designs are and how they look the part, when built.

--Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Crabby on February 12, 2021, 04:58:44 PM
I got a catalog of plans from him a few years back and there are a lot. I wish there was a way to make them all available like even with a booklet like the Golden Age book of plans. I wonder how approachable his family or should I say receptive to the idea of compiling his work. There’s too much good stuff there to have it go into a state of stagnation!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on February 12, 2021, 05:37:59 PM
Ates,
My MN Pa...flown for a number of yrs, recovered twice.  One of my best fliers indoors and out!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: DavidJP on February 13, 2021, 05:07:42 AM
I like that!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on February 13, 2021, 10:06:35 PM
Ates,
My MN Pa...flown for a number of yrs, recovered twice.  One of my best fliers indoors and out!

Looks excellent. You got some rubber in there


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 14, 2021, 06:24:11 AM
Hey PB_guy, if there is time, can you put me down for an M1521 Broussard?  Mr. Mike Kelly himself has sent me some plans, and I've decided to have it jump to the head of the queue and plan to start it today.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on February 14, 2021, 11:22:05 AM
"Looks excellent. You got some rubber in there "
I think it was the only rubber I had that day.  But I frequently only wind half the amt. necessary as I don't like walking so far at my age.  Generally, I fly planes like this on 1/8" rubber out doors and half that amt. indoors. 


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on February 14, 2021, 12:20:51 PM
Excellent choice Dan!
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on February 14, 2021, 05:27:49 PM
Hey PB_guy, if there is time, can you put me down for an M1521 Broussard?  Mr. Mike Kelly himself has sent me some plans, and I've decided to have it jump to the head of the queue and plan to start it today.

Aah, the Broussard! Great choice Dan.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on February 15, 2021, 09:13:09 PM
Got some short flights....needs some more rubber and weight in the tail.  But it flys!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dorme on February 15, 2021, 09:32:43 PM
Better shot by my wife in AZ.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on February 15, 2021, 09:57:06 PM
Congrats on the flights Dorme. Flight shots or video are marked in red.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on February 16, 2021, 02:24:45 AM
Beautiful shots, Dorme. Congrats!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on February 16, 2021, 04:51:32 AM
Very atmospheric shot - great model Dorme, and kudos to your wife's photography!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on February 17, 2021, 03:35:18 PM
Ian,
the bamboo work is great !
Dorme, the model looks very nice in the air - the pictures are great, congrats to your wife (for the photo skills and for the patience to go to the flying fields with you !)

Marco


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 18, 2021, 09:14:40 AM
Haven't cut any balsa yet on the Broussard, but finally have the plans ready to go.

I have decided to enlarge the plans 10% from the 22" wingspan, it just makes some of the smaller pieces easier to handle and makes me feel better about increasing stringer size from 1/16th to 3/32nd.

Plan for today is to laminate some 1/32" sheet cross grain to use for the formers, as well as a bit of 1/16" sheet for the front cowl pieces.

Mike Kelly I'm still trying to wrap my senior moment brain around the mods you made to the fuselage. I will get there, just taking some time. Think I'll start the wings and tail feathers first while I cogitate on it.



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on February 18, 2021, 01:29:54 PM
Dan,

No need change the fuselage like I did, I just enjoyed tweaking it for cosmetic reasons.  It'll look and fly great built per the plan.

I got sidetracked (again) and have yet to cut wood on the Beaver.

Hope all are staying warm, somebody here in Texas must have really ticked off Mother Nature...

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 18, 2021, 04:35:17 PM
Mkelly, I'll give myself the time it takes to build the wing and tail feathers to decide/understand the fuselage mods you did. Would kind of like to emulate a master builder as much as I can. I can look at the photos and sorta see what you did, I can read your description and sorta understand it, but when I try to put them together, plus add in the sketched up plan you sent I get this kink in my brain and start hearing the intro to the twilight zone playing over my shoulder. 


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 19, 2021, 07:07:18 AM
The first piece of the Broussard has been cut!!  Woohoo!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 19, 2021, 05:44:59 PM
Tail feathers have been roughed out.  Almost forgot it has twin rudders!  :o

Don't let the camera perspective fool you, the rudders really are the same size. :) :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on February 19, 2021, 08:11:58 PM
Coming along quite quickly Dan!

  Working on the cockpit for the Apache A-36. I put some printed paper with some plastic glued to the inside for the rear windows. I made a seat for Lucy van Pelt who is the pilot, continuing with my use of Peanuts characters for pilots. I pre-colored the fuselage frame with gray felt pen. I also ran off some pre-printed skins for the fuselage.

  The other pic shows some of our buddies who showed up the other day to drop off some fertilizer for the garden.

ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: vintagemike on February 20, 2021, 06:59:27 AM
I wish I had some friends like that in my garden, I would be there like a shot when he shed his antlers for my hand turned pens!!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on February 20, 2021, 12:23:25 PM
Alas, although the herd (and single males) runs through our property quite regularly, I have yet to find them dropping off an antler.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on February 21, 2021, 11:36:29 AM
I'm falling behind all the good work being done here.
I have been a bit diverted by my OD Reggiane Re2005, but realised that I have cut most of the parts for the Caudron.
I'll have to retrieve one of my building boards from the shed so that I can have both on the go.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 21, 2021, 07:02:42 PM
The wing has been roughed out. Guess I'm going to have to make a decision on the fuselage soon! :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on February 22, 2021, 05:42:17 AM
The classic Bristol Scout has RAF roundels and a Union Jack on the side...  but what happens when good Bristols go bad??

Some years ago I put together a Martinsyde S-1 as a build called: Martinsyde S.1 ANZAC Half-Flight Build - a model of one of the early Aussie-flown aircraft in the Dardanelles campaign: https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=18958.0

Above the other side of the Dardanelles trenches, the Turkish / Ottoman airforces were also gathering. The German airforce supplied the Ottomans with a large provision of aircraft. Mostly of German/Austrian build, but also comprising some captured aircraft, including a Bristol Scout or two...

Both the German and captured aircraft were delivered to the Ottomans with the current German Maltese Cross over a white square scenario - which conveniently covered the underlying RAF roundel of captured craft.

In an act of what seems in hindsight to be graphic design expedience - the Ottomans painted a black square over the Maltese Cross - leaving a thin white border surrounding.

Not the prettiest design solution maybe, but distinctive, and a nice partner to my existing Martinsyde.

(There was another option - but maybe George K has already done one of these??)

Model progress pics soon

Tim



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on February 22, 2021, 07:32:05 AM
Covering progress


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on February 22, 2021, 09:56:11 AM
Love your Martinsyde Tim - beautifully done and the Bristol Scout should be a great complement.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on February 22, 2021, 09:57:04 AM
Nice work on the canopy Ian. And great choice of pilot


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 24, 2021, 05:41:15 AM
Well, ...............

I "Think" I have figured how to replicate the fuselage Mike Kelly built for his rendition of the M1521 Broussard, time will tell.

I have the first fuselage side done about as far as I can flat on the board. Just need to add the rear peg plate, then will build the second side over the first.

Oh, and my rubber order from FAI arrived yesterday.  Need to go back in this thread and re-read the recommendations for a motor for the MO-1.

Ates- Are you planning to make the contest at Waegell Field this coming weekend?  Forecast looks windy for Saturday, 17mph gusts. Better for Sunday, 9 mph. Temp supposed to be in hi 60's to low 70's.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on February 24, 2021, 10:41:07 AM
Ates- Are you planning to make the contest at Waegell Field this coming weekend?  Forecast looks windy for Saturday, 17mph gusts. Better for Sunday, 9 mph. Temp supposed to be in hi 60's to low 70's.

Hi Dan, there is talk of moving the contest to Sunday, but a final decision has not been made yet. Keep an eye on the OCD website.

Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 25, 2021, 08:46:32 AM
Morning Ates - Been windier than a fart in a hurricane here in the valley since yesterday, and forecast is for the winds to remain high (higher) thru Saturday.  But if things calm down Sunday and you plan to be there I'll swing by to at least say hi and see what gems you have with you. I can bring the MO-1 to test, and the Guardian for show n tell. Don't have a prop yet for it. Problem is finding a nylon thrust bearing that will fit the hole that was laser cut in the nose plug. I've reached out to Dumas and Easy built to see what the dimensions are of the thrust bearings they have.

I have the fuselage sides sanded and ready to start joining them. I think I may dig out the mag board for this part of the project, otherwise I would need to grow a couple extra arms to hold things together.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kenludd on February 25, 2021, 09:34:42 AM
Like your box o' gussets Dan!

Project Update - Have all my framework complete. Now onto the sanding! (and a few more gussets)
Wings went together well - the laminated TE bend worked out easier than i feared, happy with my washout results.
Jug in a Jig! (just wanted to say that)  I got some small hair pin clamps; dremeled out the inside larger to allow the stringer to pass through. Allowed me to position and glue. I hate CA.
Right now before sanding im at 20gs. a bit heavier than i hoped for - but they dont call it a Jug for nothing!
hopefully i can stay around 25gs when complete.  Whats that wing load formula again?

Planning on doing a Checkertail Clan variant...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 25, 2021, 11:23:50 AM
SCORE!!!

In less than 3 hours I received a response from Doug at Dumas, and had so.e thrust bearing gs and props on order!! Woo-Hoo, now That is customer service!! As soon as they arrive I can finish making the prop for the Grumman Guardian.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on February 26, 2021, 03:28:18 PM
Morning Ates - Been windier than a fart in a hurricane here in the valley since yesterday, and forecast is for the winds to remain high (higher) thru Saturday.  But if things calm down Sunday and you plan to be there I'll swing by to at least say hi and see what gems you have with you. I can bring the MO-1 to test, and the Guardian for show n tell.

Hi Dan, the contest has officially been rescheduled for Sunday by the CD. I'm planning to be at the Waegell field from 8:30-9am on. I'm hoping to trim the Nassise-Nardi if the winds calm down for a while, as it is presently forecast. I'll see you there if you can make it.
--Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on February 27, 2021, 06:40:36 AM
I plan on being there Ates.

Will bring the MO-1, Guardian, and a couple others that I haven't tried to fly yet, as well as a couple that have flown.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on February 28, 2021, 08:09:42 AM
Glorious day again, so off to the field with the Comper Swift. Calm blue skies, woodpeckers pecking in the trees, dung heap quietly steaming in the sunshine, and the grass soft and not too wet. Perfect!

Nothing too ambitious today as it was my first flying for months and I was determined not to end it with the model in a tree. 300 turns gets it away. As you can see it slides off left a bit on launch (off-kilter tailplane perhaps) and then flies right. I added a bit of tail weight to tame the nosedivey glide, experimented with thrust settings a bit, gave it a few goes and then came home. I’ll try a less powerful, longer motor next time I think.
Couple of pics and videos...

https://youtu.be/RPAfFEMoq1M

https://youtu.be/Rb85wizQSYc

(I’ll let Ian decide if these little flights justify it being ‘redded in’ on the list!)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on February 28, 2021, 10:44:03 AM
Nice flights Pete, the Swift looks good up in the sky.

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on February 28, 2021, 12:22:53 PM
She's a real beauty Pete! Even in-flight photos get the red highlight, and you provided both.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on February 28, 2021, 02:25:50 PM
Enjoyed the initial flights ... it will be great when proper flying meetings can happen again  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on March 01, 2021, 12:17:02 AM
P51A Mustang:
 This shows the wing-mounted machine guns and landing lights. I glued on the pitot tube and the bomb mount pylons this afternoon. It took a few days to do the glazing, fitting individual windows. I formed some light plastic over the same mold I used for the bamboo canopy. I used steam and boiling water to form the plastic to shape. I just finished the last piece tonight - that picky little window just above and in front of the pilot. (held on with a piece of masking tape while the glue dries).
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on March 01, 2021, 05:20:44 AM
I apologize in advance for no flight pictures, just the aftermath. Two very short test flights on the MO-1 of 3-500 winds. Level flight, gentle right hand turn, but second landing sliced the landing gear of slicker than snot through a goose!!
Thanks to Ates for the advice on how to strengthen the fuse/gear joint.

Was a rough day at the field as I had taken 6 models with me in addition to the MO-1. Had one motor break and damage the tissue on one, and three others had motor issues. The Gizmo Geezer jammed up on another one.

It proved that I have a great deal to learn about motors. The motor issues where from motors made over a year ago when I knew even less than the zero I know now. All were too weak, except for the MO-1 which I made 2 days ago. So, I have some work before the next outing.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on March 01, 2021, 11:28:54 AM
Sorry to hear about the trouble with the MO-1. Good to hear that you are getting back in the saddle with your fleet of beauties. Hope to see a pic of it sailing through the air.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on March 02, 2021, 07:26:18 AM
Thanks PB_guy. I was very pleased with the initial test flight of the MO-1. Started work on building new motors yesterday using info gathered on this thread. But then when I had to pry a couple strands of motor that had stuck together, I remembered reading something in Ross's book about "lube".  Dug out the book and read the chapter on "Rubber". Except for no alcohol or petroleum product and boiling simple green, not really type or brand specific.

So I googled "Rubber Motor Lube".  Sigh, now even more confused than before. Got at least 6 different sources, as many formulations and even more brands.

HELP?!?!?!?!?!?!?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dosco on March 02, 2021, 08:37:52 AM
Thanks PB_guy. I was very pleased with the initial test flight of the MO-1. Started work on building new motors yesterday using info gathered on this thread. But then when I had to pry a couple strands of motor that had stuck together, I remembered reading something in Ross's book about "lube".  Dug out the book and read the chapter on "Rubber". Except for no alcohol or petroleum product and boiling simple green, not really type or brand specific.

So I googled "Rubber Motor Lube".  Sigh, now even more confused than before. Got at least 6 different sources, as many formulations and even more brands.

HELP?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Rubber lube is like snake oil. Everyone who cares a lot about it has their own version or "likes."

If you're into sport flying, you may want to follow one of the simpler formulations. I vaguely recall the Wakefield guys using some sort of commercially available, automotive silicone grease stuff ... they'd assemble the motor and put it in a plastic bag with this silicone sludge.

Have you used the "search" function on this board? Might be useful.

-Dave


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: billdennis747 on March 02, 2021, 08:43:41 AM
There seem to be at least two concurrent threads on this subject so we are saying all the same stuff again x2.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: BG on March 02, 2021, 11:04:55 AM
If you are just sport flying then go to the local automotive place and get some Armour All ... it is silicon based and does the job. Just spritz some in a baggie with your rubber motor in it, rub the motor in the bag to spread the lube everywhere, and then pat the motor down with a paper towel to remove excess. Done! go fly.

BG


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on March 02, 2021, 11:42:06 AM
I concur with Bernard. I have used the same bottle of Armor-all for years. After doing the baggie routine, I take off excess with a rag that has a bit of armor-all on it so it doesn't go dry.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Walt on March 02, 2021, 11:30:47 PM
Hi all- is it too late to join in?  I have started Mike’s Cessna Airmaster dimer.  I built a few of these in the past.  It has been a great flier.
Wally


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on March 03, 2021, 12:28:49 AM
Walt, you have been added to the list.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on March 03, 2021, 04:50:51 AM
Yup, I used the search function on this board. :)  First search using "lube" resulted  in almost zilch. Trying the next day with "rubber lube" resulted in the thread about eze wind. Thanks.

For some reason I was convinced that armor-all was petroleum or alcohol based and therefore anti-rubber. I have a bottle so will give it a try.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on March 04, 2021, 08:20:33 AM
Progress on the fuselage for the Broussard.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on March 04, 2021, 01:16:10 PM
Let's call this one done! The desert color scheme is a mixture of E and F model variations, mostly just what I liked. The tissue was printed on white Esake using a Canon ink jet with water soluble ink, and this made tissue shrinking difficult as the colors easily ran and got blotchy. After a couple of redo's, I put the tissue on dry and as taut as I could and then used butyrate dope to tighten things up a little (dope having no effect on the colors). This was minimally effective.

Looking forward to warmer weather and longer grass!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on March 04, 2021, 02:05:43 PM
That looks great, alfakilo  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on March 04, 2021, 04:08:25 PM
Beautiful finish Alfakilo!
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Walt on March 04, 2021, 11:13:00 PM
Looks great Alfakilo!
Wally


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on March 05, 2021, 04:34:03 AM
Amazing model Alfakilo!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: alfakilo on March 06, 2021, 05:36:59 PM
Thanks to all for your very kind comments! Stand far enough back, and the camera excuses all sorts of mistakes!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on March 07, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
Hey MKelly, Well Damn, it worked!!

After darn near scratching my head bald, I decided to just go for it, and I think I managed a reasonable facsimile of your mods to Nassise's design.

What do you think?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Walt on March 08, 2021, 12:03:54 AM
Here is my “bones” shot of the Airmaster.  Consider it my ante in to the cook-up.  I think it’s great that Bobson started this.  Mike was a great guy and prolific designer.  Ian, thanks for adding me to the list.
Wally


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Walt on March 08, 2021, 12:05:02 AM
And thanks to Ratz for help posting the photo
Wally


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on March 08, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
Hey MKelly, Well Damn, it worked!!

After darn near scratching my head bald, I decided to just go for it, and I think I managed a reasonable facsimile of your mods to Nassise's design.

What do you think?

Looks great Dan!  Have you picked colors for it yet?

Wally, the Cessna bones look great.

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on March 08, 2021, 03:24:18 PM
Hi all. Nice works all over !
I am claiming my place in the proof of flight column of the cook up table!
After a couple of premature and failed attempts (that caused some tissue replacement and some wing repair),  an unexpectedly calm and warm afternoon, with soft grass and no wind. Just a bit humid, but nothing excessive.
And off she flew ! The first video is one of the last trim flights, 500 turns. I opened the turn a bit and then I cranked in 750 turns. Unfortunately you shall twist your neck, I do not know what has happened with the phone.

Last flights were with something more than 1000 turns and a flight time slightly above 60s.
I was a bit concerned about the flight qualities of such a tapered wing, as a matter of fact the model has been a breeze to trim and glides very well with just a bit of wash out.

https://youtu.be/UcXimx-tAdM (https://youtu.be/UcXimx-tAdM)

https://youtu.be/u7FK9_s6Lgs (https://youtu.be/u7FK9_s6Lgs)

Nice flights to you all

Marco



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on March 08, 2021, 03:43:59 PM
Congrats Marco! Nice stable flights!
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dputt7 on March 08, 2021, 08:34:46 PM
  Really good Marco, looks so much better with the turn opened out.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Walt on March 08, 2021, 11:39:48 PM
Nice flights Marco!  I’ve been attracted to that plane but the tapered wing put me off.  It is reassuring  to hear (and see) it is such a good flier.  Congratulations!
Wally


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on March 09, 2021, 04:11:13 AM
Great flights Marco - it looks really stable. Did you use the dihedral specified on the plan?

Jon


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on March 09, 2021, 09:00:37 AM

Looks great Dan!  Have you picked colors for it yet?

Wally, the Cessna bones look great.

Mike
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Haven't settled on one yet. Research shows 95% military colors, don't really want that. Here's a few I'm considering. Front runners are the white with red tips or the white with blue strip.  Found a picture of one with a tie-dye hippy-esque scheme.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on March 09, 2021, 12:12:06 PM
Broussard and Airmaster look excellent!! Will be fun to see covered.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on March 09, 2021, 01:17:04 PM
I like that Portugese Broussard Dan.  Here's a few civilian schemes I had in my Broussard working file.  I like the F-BJLR scheme, and C-GJKG with the tundra tires.  For Dan Mellor we have the Venom-nosed scheme...

Mike Kelly


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on March 09, 2021, 02:25:33 PM
Great flights Marco - it looks really stable. Did you use the dihedral specified on the plan?

Jon
Hi Jon.
The wing is built as per the plan. Cg and decalage are not described in the plan - I placed  cg halfway between the two spars at wing tip. Stab trailing edge is raised accordingly. Right and down thrust, a bit of left rudder.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on March 09, 2021, 06:00:19 PM
Time for a little balsa porn!  The first time all the bits have been assembled.

I'm embarrassed to ask Mike, which is the white with blue stripe Portuguese? I like that one best


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on March 09, 2021, 07:08:08 PM

 which is the white with blue stripe Portuguese?


Portuguese Roundel



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on March 09, 2021, 08:37:57 PM
Dan,

You had a profile of the Portuguese Broussard (silver and blue) in your post.  Here's a picture of one of the Portuguese AF Broussards - this one has been preserved and there's a lot of pictures of it available on the web.

Bones look really good!

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on March 09, 2021, 09:14:17 PM
Lovely flights Marco, very stable and floaty. Congrats on a successful build.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on March 09, 2021, 09:23:11 PM
I was finally able to get some Krylon on the Bellanca with this warm weather in the northeast! Felt great to be working outside and making progress on this model.

It's fitted with my first block-carved prop; everything I've carved previously has been laminated fan. 6"x8" with an eyeballed and replicated blade shape, hub is reinforced with 1/64" ply inserted into a slot perpendicular to the shaft. Once the shape was done, I gave the prop a single generous coat of medium CA, sanded down with 320 grit, and covered with brown Esaki and Krylon. Feels pretty sturdy for its weight and size, and came in around 1.3 grams without F/W.

Windows, LG, and a few more details to follow, and then the Jr is finished. Shown in pic with another almost-finished dimer, Al B's Hemiptere.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on March 09, 2021, 09:48:23 PM
Nice bones Dan! I see that the F-GJLP now is an air ambulance. When I built my Broussard (non-Nassise), I had used the "Club 41" scheme of F-GJLP (first picture). My second choice was the military colors in the second picture.

Marco, nice flights, congratulations! I'm stunned by the vertical climb performance the model exhibits in the second video  ;D

Alfakilo, handsome Bf 109. Very nice finish.

Bobson, the Bellanca is coming along nicely, looking great.


I worked on trimming the Nardi for some time on this past Sunday. Apparently I got the CoG totally wrong, and had a rough time with trimming as a result. I believe I rectified the CoG issue and will continue on in Lost Hills this coming Sunday, winds permitting.

--Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kenludd on March 10, 2021, 04:54:09 PM
my bones update...

getting close to covering.  got some cowl work yet to do - took advantage of the nice weather here in Michigan to cut/sand out the canopy plug.  Every time I make one of these I go through so many trials and errors in getting my shape correct. 

What method do you guys use to test if you have the shape correct??

I'll wrap aluminum foil and tape around it. That almost helps - sometimes like here I'll make a paper template; that seems to help too.

I normally first make a milk jug vacuum form first before creating the real thing (and wasting plastic) ...and wasting time putting window frames.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on March 11, 2021, 01:42:43 AM
P51A Mustang/A-36 Apache
Wing glued to covered fuselage. Noseblock is in place. I made the top-mounted carb from balsa rather than foam. I am beginning work on the prop, a 3-blader to match the original. I'll deal with the under-part of the wing to fuselage fairings and the belly scoop before adding tail feathers, radio mast, decals ...
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: faif2d on March 11, 2021, 06:47:06 PM
This is where I am at with the build and I am sorry to say this is as far as I am going to go.  I have just ran out of enthusiasm.  The last few builds that I have done have all stalled at roughly the same spot. I just can not keep up with a build through completion.  I did enjoy the build to this point and have watched all of the other builds and seem to learn something from all of them but for this one I am done.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on March 11, 2021, 07:08:50 PM
Thanks for participating faif2d. Those bones (and they look great!) can hang around until you get your building motivation back again. I have a couple of unfinished projects that have been on the shelf for years awaiting a renewed interest.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on March 12, 2021, 06:33:19 AM
Good canopy progress Ken and Ian. Steve, no worries on not finishing. Bones look great and if the motivation is gone there's no reason to spend the extra hours getting to the "end."


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Crabby on March 12, 2021, 10:42:01 AM
Steve, no worries on the flagging mojo. I have several unskinned skeletons hanging from hooks in the wall. It almost looks like a medieval torture chamber if you let your imagination run. But like everything these things pass, its just a passing phase you are in. I go through it regularly. I am supposed be be building my Ambrosini right now, but I am stuck in a stall with my Reliant......the beat goes on!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: FLYACE1946 on March 15, 2021, 07:30:44 PM
I know all about loosing the mojo. My Gonzo project is on the shelf and now the Nocal F7F-1 Tigercat is on the get it done march.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on March 16, 2021, 04:01:36 AM
I know about flagging mojo. It has taken me over 18 months and I still haven't finished the Grumman Guardian from Mike Midkiff. Just need to build the prop and it's ready for trimming, but there it sits.
Was going great guns on the Broussard, and then a week ago my new CNC (a first for me) arrived and everything else went on the back burner! :) :) :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on March 21, 2021, 04:44:41 AM
I'm cracking on again with the Bristol Scout.
Hanging all the bits together on flimsy struts can be a bit daunting - and I think Mike N used the time-honoured dime scale method of butt-joining the struts straight to the tissue!
In the end I made sure they all pierced through and had some kind of mechanical hold. What Mike did do was have the main fuselage to wing struts going full depth to the bottom longeron which was a good idea - given that the decking is paper and doesn't afford much support.
All going well now and looking forward to seeing it fly once I get some more detail on board.
cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on March 21, 2021, 07:16:09 AM
Very much liking the Scout, Tim   :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on March 21, 2021, 11:57:43 PM
Apache A-36/Mustang P-51A: Wing and tail feathers attached. Radio mast made of bamboo with a little sliver left hanging out to glue into the top stringer. Decals are printer paper. Still finishing the fin bits and the fairings to the fuselage. I am not happy with the belly scoop and fairings to the wing, but I am not going to change it now. I made the pre-painting too dark before attaching the tissue. They are made of floral foam sanded to shape and firmed up with 2 layers of glue, then some acrylic paint. The exhaust stacks turned out great. All up weight right now is just over 20 grams. But a glide test over the couch looked fine.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on March 22, 2021, 04:20:48 AM
Nice work Ian - that last photo has a real stained glass feel to it - can hear the church choir singing!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on March 22, 2021, 02:42:25 PM
Great work Ian and Tim! 2 more almost ready to get in the air.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on March 22, 2021, 02:53:09 PM
I believe I can call the Bellanca finished!! Thanks again Ian for keeping a catalog of builds. I'll probably add in tail rigging, which isn't explicitly shown on the plan, after I set the final stab incidence.

Came out under 10 grams without rubber, which I'm pretty happy about. Windows are thin acetate (.004"?) Sobo'ed onto the covered frame. According to McCoombs/DeLoach CG calc -- available https://www.volareproducts.com/files/CGTVo.htm -- this guy should balance at 34%. Nose-heavy at the moment without motor so I may not need much ballast!

It's been fantastic seeing everyone's involvement in this cookup, and I'm excited to post flight videos and maybe another build in the near future.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on March 22, 2021, 02:54:03 PM
A few more detail pics.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on March 22, 2021, 03:23:41 PM
The Bellanca looks great Oliver!  Which domestic tissue did you use?  It's exactly the shade of yellow I need for a project I'm working on...  Thanks.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on March 22, 2021, 05:51:51 PM
Great work Oliver and Tim. Crisp lines and great covering work.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on March 23, 2021, 07:24:15 AM
Thanks Ian and Indoor. The tissue is Peck yellow, which I really like for color too, finished with a couple light coats of Krylon. I’ve found that it has extremely low wet strength, to the point of ripping over the frame from the force of a full water shrink. So, wing and fuse are shrunk with steam from a kettle, and rather than shrinking the tail surfaces at all with this tissue I cover and keep flat under a book for several days.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on March 26, 2021, 08:11:27 AM
Oliver - your Bellanca looks a treat.
Just some detail work going on here - Lewis gun and rigging.
Mike's plan shows the gun mounted on the top wing - but mine will have the mounting on the side of the fuse as many of them did.
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on March 26, 2021, 01:26:51 PM
Lovely work on the Scout. What materials did you use for the gun?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on March 26, 2021, 03:02:47 PM
Some great progress here  :) Scout, Bellanca and Mustang all looking well.
I really must get the Caudron built up, but I have been distracted by my Reggiane.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on March 27, 2021, 02:58:47 AM
I'm following the Reggiane too which has lots of interesting techniques and jigs etc!
Oliver - the gun was made of bits of balsa, bass and styrene rod (barrel) - the spade handle and strap on top are just thin card with balsa handle.
Acrylic paint - i will learn and improve for next time but will look ok at flying distance!
Pic also of the Lewis I copied, and aircraft attachment - this Bristol has a Lewis both sides - which I guess means it shoots splinters off the prop evenly from both blades...  :)
cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Marco on March 28, 2021, 10:09:06 AM
Hi all
Tim, the Scout is  simple yet so clean and pleasant - the execution is great


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: wyshynski on March 28, 2021, 06:00:46 PM
Hello

So last year before COVID hit, the Thermal Thumbers of Atlanta, wanted to do a cook-up as well to honor Mike. I dithered, thinking probably best to go with a high wing, but then found Caudron 714 in my stack of old FAC newsletters and couldn't resist. Test flights looked promising, but needed a large hunk o clay on the nose. Hoping once I get my second shot to be able to get to the sod farm again and see if I can get it trimmed out.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on March 29, 2021, 01:20:20 AM
The Caudron looks great, as well as the Bellanca, the Apache and the Scout.

I actually completed the Nardi a while back but I realize that I didn't post the finished pictures here. With some delay, they are attached to this post.

I've had great difficulties trimming the Nardi. At first, I got the CofG wrong and that costed me a lot of time and effort. After fixing that, I'm still having trouble getting consistent flights out of her. My current thinking is that I may have over-propped her. The plan specified a 7" prop and I used an 8" high pitch balsa prop. I'll try a 7" Peck prop next time. Hopefully I can then also make a video. By the way, the pictures show a plastic prop, which I replaced by a carved balsa prop later on.

--Ates


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on March 29, 2021, 02:15:46 AM
Congrats Ates, you are the 10th finisher! Lovely looking model!
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on March 30, 2021, 07:27:50 AM
Close to signing off on the Scout now. Here is a rogues gallery of WW1 Ottoman Airforce Young Turks from whom I have drawn inspiration for the Scout's pilot - and the Rohacel guy himself with paint still wet. Hope to have all the bits together for a photo tomorrow!
Tim  


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dputt7 on March 30, 2021, 07:53:47 AM
  Well he certainly looks the part. Well; done.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on March 30, 2021, 08:29:07 AM
Bellanca looks great, as does that super little Caudron. I really like the Turkish Scout too, Tim. You don’t see many of those! Good job on the pilot as well.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on March 31, 2021, 04:33:43 AM
Hi all
What a pleasure this build was - thanks Mike - here are some pics of the finished item. Please mark me up for a completion (with pilot). Flight videos pending.
We have a ScaleMasters F/F scale event in a few weeks - so I hope to have it flying for that.
cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on March 31, 2021, 12:31:03 PM
Beautiful job Tim! We breathlessly await the flight pics.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on March 31, 2021, 01:33:58 PM
Agree - it's a real gem of a Scout and I'm sure it'll fly well too.

Having watched the hawks circling in the blue over the garden earlier I thought I'd better take my Comper Swift to my field for a second trimming session. After all, why should the birds have all the fun?

As planned after last time, I reduced the motor from 4 strands of 1/8 to 2 of 3/16. Straight away it was much happier. It does tend to doff in as the power runs out though.
Here is a still and a 3 little vids. In the first one it loses its noseblock completely as it gets to its zenith and then floats down without it like a sycamore seed. I might be in trouble if it ever does that in longer grass! Launches are probably a bit dodgy due to trying to hold my phone at same time. Second video is same trim but with the noseblock wedged on better. In the third video, to try and stop it spiraling in at the end, I added a bit of left rudder. It sort of worked, but not such a nice fight otherwise. Anyway, a very enjoyable little session. Summer time* and the living is easy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw56ILanfEQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czg5plJBGnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czg5plJBGnk

*British Summer Time that is. Despite the weather I do know it's still only March. Sleet showers forecast here next week.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: TheLurker on March 31, 2021, 02:52:18 PM
Lovely.  Wish my rubber powered models flew that predictably.

Isn't it nice that just as the shackles are gradually being removed that large parts of the UK get a couple of almost perfect flying days?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on March 31, 2021, 04:16:24 PM
Looking forward to the flight reports, Tim  :)

That's looking great, Pete  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on March 31, 2021, 04:26:56 PM
Isn't it nice that just as the shackles are gradually being removed that large parts of the UK get a couple of almost perfect flying days?

Couldn't agree more .... good to see that some have taken advantage.
I've not managed it, but did manage to meet up at the estate where I work for a marvellous walk with the grandkids after work ..... I did point up at the sky and comment that it has been too long since I have seen one of my models up there.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on March 31, 2021, 08:16:05 PM
Wish my rubber powered models flew that predictably.
Predictably, but maybe not quite that predictably. As I'm sure you all noticed (but were much too polite to mention) that 'third video' link was the same as the second one, so here's the one where I added a little left rudder. I think I liked it better without the tweak though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjjca3JRQT8


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on April 01, 2021, 04:19:43 AM
Great work Pete - I note from 1st video that jettisoning the noseblock is an effective DT...  a very soft landing


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on April 01, 2021, 06:18:01 AM
Damn THB!!!! That is one gorgeous model.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on April 02, 2021, 04:14:28 AM
Dan - thank you. it was such a fun build I've decided to go again. Pete the Comper looks like a steady flyer - great to see the videos.
When this cook-up started the first plan that attracted me was an Embryo thing called 'Yellow Cab'. Then I got distracted by all those scale things.
Anyway - once the Bristol was done I had an empty desk again. i'm envious of the guys doing their own designs on other threads so I'm keen to do one of those again - but here I am sticking bits of a Yellow Cab together. Think it will be a fun model to fly at our upcoming event in a couple weeks.
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: DHnut on April 02, 2021, 05:42:34 AM
Tim,
       Another gem that is so atmospheric. All the more reason for a visit to Scalemasters when the allow us out. We have managed local flying and a North Island meeting is going ahead on the 16-18 April that I am looking forward to even if the drive to Carterton is a long one as it is just short of Wellington. All we need is some good weather.
Compers all seem to fly well I currently have 4 servicable including a Moorhouse peanut one and one CO2 one based on the Aerographics kit plus one that is being repaired after the Nationals after a stall that was self inflicted demolished the nose. Ol' Ironsides photos attached I realise it is off topic. 
Ricky


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on April 02, 2021, 04:26:31 PM
Flights are looking great Pete and beautiful finish on the Scout Tim!! Glad to see you've already got another one going, should be a relaxing build and good flyer.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on April 03, 2021, 05:13:08 AM
After allowing the new CNC to distract me for a couple weeks, I'm finally back to work on the Broussard. Created and mounted the air scoop, got the tail feathers and wing covered.  Also managed to make the radiator, was amazed at myself that I was able to sand the thing to shape from a solid block without breaking it. Except for the cross brace of course.

Gathering courage to start the fuselage now.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on April 04, 2021, 12:00:14 AM
Broussard looking great Dan - just a bit of Easter progress on the Yellow Cab. Yes a relaxing build!
And doesn't need to look like a real aeroplane like your Ironsides does Ricky!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on April 04, 2021, 04:56:35 AM
Hope you are all having a great Easter - mine has been a quiet one - so making good progress...And of course Yellow Cab will be yellow...
A bit late: but can anyone point me to a set of rules for Embryo?
cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on April 04, 2021, 01:08:35 PM
Nice work on the Cab. Here's a screenshot of the Embryo rules from the 2020-21 FAC rulebook, available at: http://flyingacesclub.com/wp/rules-forms/official-fac-rules/



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on April 04, 2021, 02:40:58 PM
Oops, forgot to add Tim's latest build to the list. This is number 3, and I am still stuck on #1

ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Ara Dedekian on April 07, 2021, 12:40:04 AM


        Been off Hip Pocket for a long time working on C/L and RC and discovered this cookup today. I flew control line and free flight with Mike when I lived in Massachusetts and shared a tent at Geneseo when we were there together. Here's my peanut version of his Bristol Scout.

        Ara


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on April 10, 2021, 02:01:39 AM
Hi Ara - thanks for the Bristol pics - your front end looks a bit tidier than mine! Nice finish. How did it fly?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on April 10, 2021, 02:09:35 AM
Thanks again Oliver for getting this cook-up going. Very enjoyable! Thanks too Ian for your work on the spreadsheets. Please mark me down as completed for the Yellow Cab.
I have a nice trio of Mike Nassise models now for a local event we have next weekend - so hopefully some flight reports/pics/video if the weather is kind!
Now time to get out the deckchair and cheer you guys on from the sidelines!
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on April 10, 2021, 03:42:17 AM
Nice trio Tim  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on April 10, 2021, 04:42:49 AM
The scout looks great, Ara  :)

Marvellous productivity again, Tim .... as Jon says, a nice trio of models  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Ara Dedekian on April 10, 2021, 08:34:20 AM

      Here's two more of Mike's designs.

        The P-51 is reduced to peanut and modified for a removable wing held on with two nylon 2-56 screws. I've flown it both indoors and outdoors. The Hellcat is a terrific flyer. With it, I was able to survive the first round in WW II combat at Geneseo for the first time. It was a traumatic flight. On my way to the flight line the too loose motor peg had fallen out. Had there not been a delay in the start, which gave me time to dash back for a new peg, I wouldn't have made the first launch. If the peg was found missing at the 'wind 'em up' command, there would have been a grown man in tears among the contestants!

      Tim,
       
        The Bristol showed promise on it's first outdoor flights. Needs more trimming but it's been a hangar queen for most of it life.

      Ara


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on April 10, 2021, 12:22:54 PM
Congratulations Tim on yet another masterpiece. The three amigos look good together. (Yellow Wings Fly Better)

ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: dputt7 on April 10, 2021, 08:51:33 PM
   Tim (IHB) dropped around the other night for a Show n Tell and a Coffee. All I can say is they look even better in real life than they do in the photos. Well done Tim.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on April 12, 2021, 04:41:29 AM
More progress on the Broussard. The covering is on, went better than expected. Next up is getting the clear coat and then the decals applied, as well as fabricating landing gear and wing struts.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on April 12, 2021, 05:02:22 AM
That’s looking lovely, Dan!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on April 12, 2021, 08:29:34 AM
Very nice, Dan  :)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on April 12, 2021, 12:10:34 PM
Coming together very nicely Dan.  Did you find sufficient pictures to do the Portuguese scheme?

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on April 14, 2021, 05:36:28 AM
Thank you for the kind words folks, I humbly appreciate it! :)
Mike,
I mostly followed the scheme I found, however it is a complete guess on the wing as I couldn't find any pictures of the top of the wing. There was one shot in those you sent me, thank you, that showed the red cross roundel on the underside of the right wing. So, what the hell, I'm going to put one on the top of the left wing as well and call it a day.

Once I get the windows installed I can attach wing, tail feathers and wing struts along with ventral antenna and it'll be ready, "Gulp!!", for flight testing.

P.S. - This might be the last time I try to use decals. They do NOT like to stick.  Next time I'm going to try printing on the tissue again.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on April 14, 2021, 09:52:02 AM
That looks great Dan!  A decal setting solution like Solvaset can help get the decals down tight.  That said, I've come to prefer printed tissue markings.

Good luck with the trimming - mine flew well on two loops of 3/32" rubber.

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: atesus on April 14, 2021, 01:19:13 PM
Looks great Dan!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on April 18, 2021, 09:37:06 AM
Got a video up on YouTube of a series of trim flights on the first day out with the Bellanca last month in Wawayanda, NY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKHvQCsSoUo

Surprisingly easy to trim -- I was worried with the relatively high-pitch balsa prop and short tail moments but Mike knows how to design models that fly. Hope to fly it again soon, this plane is so much fun to get in the air.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Pete Fardell on April 18, 2021, 10:06:50 AM
Wow! Lovely to watch those Bellanca flights, Oliver. It looks great in the air.  I’m jealous of all that treeless space. Thank you for explaining your trimming process as you went too.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on April 18, 2021, 12:31:59 PM
Looks Great Oliver! Yellow wings fly better.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on April 20, 2021, 04:41:13 AM
PB_guy, I'm calling the Broussard finished. But sadly, unless I can figure out a cure, it may never fly! :( :( :(

Why, you ask? Well, I guess I done screwed up. After getting it fully assembled including wing struts and making the motor, I decided to give it it's second coat of clear to seal everything. Only thing I can figure is it was too heavy a coat, as the wing warped badly. It ended up with major washout on the left wing and zero to maybe a touch of washin on the right. I'll dig out the steamer and give that a go, but not real optimistic.

Another reason is I didn't pay enough attention to weight during the build and it ended up a rather portly 52g.  :o gives a wing loading of about .74g/sq in.

But I am happy with how it turned out. It was fun to work through the challenge of modifying the fuselage and making small detail like the radiator, scoop, venturi and steps.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on April 20, 2021, 07:32:35 AM
Oliver - those Bellanca flights are just great to watch - each alteration you made makes sense and you can see the results. Nice work. Dan - congrats on the Broussard!

I can now add a flight video for the Bristol https://youtu.be/GTz4YE4AJ9Q (https://youtu.be/GTz4YE4AJ9Q).  it was a bit gusty. And we were a bit off trim for sure! I had some better flights - and some worse ones too - but this is the video I have thanks to son Hugo!

I do not have a video for the Yellow Cab. It flew really well straight off the board. Third flight on good winds it hooked a thermal and just kept going UP. Hopefully Mike was watching!

cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: bobson on April 20, 2021, 07:53:16 AM
Broussard looks really good Dan. I like the color scheme and hope you're able to work out the warps.
THB, the Yellow Cab already went OOS??! That's what Embryos tend to do but still... Bristol looks promising. Glad it didn't nose-dive too hard in the gusts.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on April 20, 2021, 12:39:37 PM
Sorry about the difficulty Dan. But congrats on the finish. Of course, you could remove the wing and recover and reassemble, or rebuild just the wing in entirety. But all that is in your ballpark, not mine. It is an attractive plane that I might like to attempt some day.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on April 20, 2021, 05:55:53 PM
Don't give up on the Broussard Dan! 

If you've got a Monokote heat gun you can heat the wing panels while gently twisting them back, then hold them for a minute or so after removing the heat.  I've successfully removed (and added) warps and washout on several models using this technique. 

Was the 52g with or without rubber?  If without, it should fly ok on two loops of 1/8", or maybe a loop of 1/8" plus a loop of 3/16".  Won't be a floater, but you can still have some fun with it.  It came out looking really nice - it'd be a shame not to see it in the air.

Mike



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on April 20, 2021, 07:06:11 PM
Thanks Mike, will give t he heat gun a try. The 52g is with motor. It is one I had made for another model I think 4 liops of 1/8th. Is that too much?


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on April 20, 2021, 10:28:38 PM
Assuming your empty weight is about 40g two loops of 1/8" should be fine.  Give it a shot!

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Crabby on April 20, 2021, 11:17:44 PM
That’s great advice Mike. Dan if your heat gun will stand straight up on its own, turn it to med high and hold the wing over it while twisting. You fingers will tell you how close. Don’t try directing the heat gun by hand instead hold the wing over the airflow and for Pete’s sake keep it moving! Good luck!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Yak 52 on April 21, 2021, 02:15:43 AM
Nice flights Oliver, thanks again for suggesting this cook up.


It ended up with major washout on the left wing and zero to maybe a touch of washin on the right. I'll dig out the steamer and give that a go, but not real optimistic.

Dan, definitely give it a go - you might find it flies in spite of the warps. In fact it sounds like all the warps you have will give left roll effect. Try flying it in tight-ish right circles with plenty of right rudder and the warps may just give you the correct 'hold off' aileron you would need anyway.


Jon


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on April 21, 2021, 04:48:59 AM
Holy Moly, Batman!!

About 20 seconds with the heat gun then holding the twist for another 20-30 seconds and the warp was GONE!! Hope to get it out for a trimming session this weekend! And the repaired MO-1 will be out as well.

Thank you Mike Kelly, Yak 52, Crabby, PB_guy for all the encouragement and advice. And to anyone I missed, Thank You as well.  I really enjoyed figuring out how to implement my version of Mike Kelly's design enhancements.

P.S. Mike, the weight without prop/motor is 37.4g The prop is 8"


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on April 21, 2021, 06:18:13 AM
THB, the Yellow Cab already went OOS??!
Yes - I followed it for a while - but was still going up when I lost sight. It was a great flyer!

Ian - Please mark me down for a flight video (Bristol) though I hope to post a better one later on!

Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on April 21, 2021, 12:37:04 PM
Congrats on the flight Tim. Sorry about the Cab.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on April 21, 2021, 08:31:23 PM
So sorry to hear about the OOS THB. I can honestly say that the last OOS I had was a Goldberg Ranger 30 almost 60 years ago. Flying with my Dad at Rogers Dry Lake in California. It had a Cox .020. I t was during a contest and the Air Force had one of their optical tracking rigs there for the contest. The Ranger was last seenin a thermal at approximately 2000 feet headed up and southwest!!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on April 22, 2021, 05:05:07 AM
Dan - Woah! - 2000 feet! I'd be excited by that. I reckon I'm happier to have an airplane disappear into the sky than rot in the shed where it ends its days because I dropped a box of rubber on it :-)
I've done that too.
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Walt on April 22, 2021, 10:04:23 PM
Hi all, here I hope is a picture of my completed Cessna Airmaster dimer.
Wally


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Walt on April 22, 2021, 10:09:07 PM
...and here is a launch shot taken by Dave Mitchell.  The Airmaster is a great flier.  Best flight so far has been 1:46.   Sorry there is so much glare on the previous photo.
    Thanks to Oliver for setting up this tribute to Mike, I was glad to be a part of it.  Thanks to Ian for all of his efforts as well.  I'm calling this one done.
Wally


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on April 23, 2021, 12:39:49 AM
Congrats Walt. A beautiful as well as a quick build. Looks good in the air.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Russ Lister on April 23, 2021, 03:14:34 AM
Really nice model, Walt  :)

I'm going to be bringing up the rear with this cookup .... determined to be a finisher though.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on April 23, 2021, 05:40:43 AM
Great Airmaster pics Wally - that's how it's done!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kkphantom on May 10, 2021, 06:14:53 AM
My late entry into the cook-up with his Comper Swift but reduced to peanut size. I didn't scale it down, the plan I downloaded a few years ago was already at this size so here goes...

1. Laminated outlines done.

2. Flying surfaces assembled.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on May 10, 2021, 09:53:57 PM
Looking good.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on May 11, 2021, 06:45:07 AM
Comper looks neat kkphantom - do you have a colour scheme you like?

Hi Ian: Dave sent me a pic of the YellowCab on maybe its last flight!! But at least you can mark it down as 'with video or flight pic' ?

cheers
Tim



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kkphantom on May 11, 2021, 08:33:21 AM
I'm basing this on 'G-ABWW' in the Prince of Wales colours. Red, blue and silver.

Today's effort,



Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on May 11, 2021, 11:51:27 AM
Thanks for the photo Tim!
Updated.

ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: FLYACE1946 on May 14, 2021, 05:04:09 PM
Guess I will get buzzy and build the Gonzo. Yes I will. Probably be all RED.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: kkphantom on May 20, 2021, 01:30:02 PM
Can anyone tell me which is blue and which is red in this photo?

Gary


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on May 20, 2021, 02:34:43 PM
See: https://jkmodel-pt.estranky.cz/clanky/comper-swift/podklady_-inspiracia___.html (https://jkmodel-pt.estranky.cz/clanky/comper-swift/podklady_-inspiracia___.html)


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: FLYACE1946 on May 20, 2021, 05:59:46 PM
I am happy to report the Gonzo is now finished and ready for flight testing. If you want an easy to build embryo then get a look at this one. The plan came from the Flying Aces Club and it is located on their site. Look it up if you are interested in building one.
I made a picture but haven't figured how to send it out. 
Have a nice day.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on May 20, 2021, 06:49:32 PM
Congrats FlyAce1946 Model completion noted.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on May 21, 2021, 06:19:01 AM
Hey FLYACE1946, Good Morning!

Where on the FAC website did you find the Gonzo plans?  I've been looking but searches say "no results found"


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Indoorflyer on May 21, 2021, 07:46:15 AM
You have to search the  "Index" that was created for the newsletter back issues.  The main site search function does not work for the FAC rulebook, or the contents of back issues...

Having said that, the Nassise Gonzo plan was in newsletter 255:

http://www.flyingacesclub.com/Newsletters/issue255.pdf


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: Dan Snow on May 21, 2021, 09:08:17 AM
Thanks, I found it!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: MKelly on May 21, 2021, 10:20:28 AM
Here's FlyAce1946's Gonzo.  Hope to see it fly this weekend at Hamilton.

Mike


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: FLYACE1946 on May 27, 2021, 07:26:43 PM
I was not able to fly Gonzo in Hamilton contest this last weekend. It has been glided  and is very stable in the glide.  Just to keep the info going, I have just began to build the F7F Tigercat that Mike Nassise designed. This is going to be real fun. My first twin Nocal.

Have a nice day.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on May 28, 2021, 12:22:17 AM
Do you want me to add the Tigercat to the Nassise Cookup list?
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: FLYACE1946 on May 28, 2021, 03:24:35 PM
Yes Please. Thank you very much.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on May 28, 2021, 03:42:37 PM
File Updated. Waiting to see the sticks cut.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: FLYACE1946 on May 28, 2021, 04:09:41 PM
Ok I will get back on that F7f Tigercat. Stay tuned...


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: rrfalcon on June 11, 2021, 02:19:07 PM
Ok, I'm very late to the party, but I've just started building a Farman F.400 that I believe is a Mike Nassise plan (in his Comet Bogus series). The build thread is at: https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=26079.0 .  I just started last week, and I'm not a fast builder (especially since I'm just getting back into this after a long layoff), so I don't know if I'll finish within the time limits for this cook-up, but I'll keep y'all posted.


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: PB_guy on June 11, 2021, 05:30:50 PM
OK rrfalcon. You have been added to the lists.
ian


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: rrfalcon on June 13, 2021, 02:22:08 PM
Both fuselage sides are assembled for the Farman F.400. I still need to trim away the glue residue from the joints, and improve my photography!


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: THB on June 13, 2021, 08:23:43 PM
Great find! If I knew there was a Farman I prob would have built it too. Look forward to your progress
Tim


Title: Re: Nassise Cookup
Post by: rrfalcon on June 17, 2021, 12:56:33 PM
Continuing on - the fuselage framing is in progress. I've re-done the nose former three times, and finally got something I could live with. Most of the fuselage bottom sticks are in, although the one at the nose is a bit short. I'll have to slot in a small filler piece, but since it's all glued up to the nose former I don't think there will be any strength issues. I'm not very good yet at getting the cross-pieces both lined up with the verticals on the fuselage side *and* level with the longerons. I'll have to think about that a bit.