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Title: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 22, 2010, 06:53:52 PM
The title for this should perhaps read: 'My Indoor Scale Nats Build - FAIL' ;:-\

I had hoped to get this model finished for the indoor scale nats - as you will see, I am still a long way off so I suppose I am starting this thread to 'vent my frustration'.

I have designed the model hoping that it will be light enough for indoor flying but suitable for outdoors too.

I have an old Airfix 1/72 kit for the Fw - I've always liked the 'texture' of the 'laddered' flying surfaces and wanted to get that same feel with this model. I have taken the route of 'lots of little bits' so the model is not as heavily built as it might first seem ( :P)

I'll start the thread with the bones almost all there. The model was primarily drawn from John Weal 3 view drawings with further help from the Bluebottle Squadron boys and the Bentley drawings. I later found that the drawings I scaled from were not quite 1/72 scale, so the model is 1/19.6 scale instead of the intended 1/20 scale. It's about 21" span anyway!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 22, 2010, 07:02:53 PM
The aircraft I am specifically modelling is the Fw-190A8 4.JG3 WNr681382 flown by Wilhelm Moritz Gruppenkommandeur.

I like the 'blinkered and bulges' look of this version - some of the bulges are quite hard to reproduce. Combined with the armored glass panels to the side of the canopy it looks reet aggressive!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 22, 2010, 07:15:23 PM
Still a fair way to go with the structure with fillets, peg retainers etc. etc. before I start covering.

The gap at the wing root is there so I am not doubling on weight when the water colour paper fillets are added. The formers radius into the wing root and will act as support for the fillets.

The surfaces are just taped on and out of alignment in places - still a fair bit of final sanding to do too.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 22, 2010, 07:29:05 PM
I have enlarged the tail surfaces as much as I think I can without getting 'nobbled' by the static judges (BMFA rules) - still a bit on the small side but if I have any problems I will enlarge them on the second version of the model - with the accent more on flying - that I hope to do.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Don McLellan on April 22, 2010, 10:39:21 PM
Beautiful work Russ. The detail is first class. Will this become a kit, or drawing for scratch build or..... ? Looking forward to a lot more pictures!! What is the weight so far?

Don


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: PeeTee on April 23, 2010, 02:36:42 AM
Russ

Very nicely done. I really do like the work on the ailerons, and it's a shame that you've run out of time for the Nats - next year perhaps.

It's craftmanship like this that confirms my need to stick to duration models ;D

Peter


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: malc on April 23, 2010, 03:22:46 AM
Coooor, that looks nice, keep us posted with updates!

M.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 23, 2010, 05:25:48 PM
Thanks all :)

Don,
I do have a lighter version in progress that would be perhaps more suited to kitting or a plan - not that I want to write this version off just yet! The weight is already up near my total target weight at about 35g - but to be fair that was based on less than 0.5g per sq. in. that I was hoping for but not really expecting.

Peter,
I have to admit that I have had thoughts myself of moving to duration models a little more. I've already been working on this for months and still not got there. I am thinking about doing a trial design and build from now 'til the FF Nats as a comparison of 'effort v return'. I still wouldn't give up the scale stuff but I might get my flying hours increased?


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Strat-O on April 25, 2010, 02:25:53 AM
I am speechless.

I have never before seen subtle features of the prototype's structure rendered in the model's framework like yours has. For example the peculiar angle of the wingtip-to-wing joint as seen from above and the triangular section on the fin, to name a couple.

Marlin


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: JetPlaneFlyer on April 25, 2010, 12:54:38 PM
Russ,

Superb craftsmanship! You have captured the full size plane just perfectly. Will you be bringing the model to Old Warden in May?

Steve


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 25, 2010, 05:38:48 PM
Thanks Steve - I think that the Mayfly is a bit too close now to get it finished. I'd be happy to get it done for Peterborough in September!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: JetPlaneFlyer on April 25, 2010, 06:04:55 PM
Russ,

I was hoping you might bring it along 'as is' I’d live to see it before you go and hide that beautiful structure under tissue.

Steve


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 25, 2010, 06:16:30 PM
Will do Steve - I did take it today to the indoor scale nats.

Talking of beautiful structures - at the nats today I got my first chance to see Robert Pajas's models in the flesh ... wow! Some great models there today - a little down in the open classes I thought, but a lot of overseas visitors. A good day!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Pit on April 26, 2010, 07:40:11 AM
I hope someone took LOTS of pictures and vids ;).


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 30, 2010, 06:35:32 PM
Pit,

I did take a few ... most of them have been posted over on SFA


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 30, 2010, 06:42:44 PM
I thought I would run through the process of moulding the canopy ... hopefully this might be of interest to some?

I wanted to carve the mould blank in situ but didn't want to run the risk of damaging the structure trying to carve a heavier mould material. With this in mind I went about it in what might seem like a long-winded method. It did seem to progress quite quickly though.

Stage ONE

I carved the shape of the canopy in situ using pink foam. Once carved and sanded I gave this a few coats of clear acrylic varnish just to protect the surface a little.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 30, 2010, 06:47:26 PM
I am recreating the process here with the components created at each stage .. this is not the actual progress.

I built up the pink foam with clay to a level base (not shown) and overlap for waste when vac-forming the canopy. This assembly was then covered with a 2 part silicone moulding material. This sets in not much more than 10 minutes.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 30, 2010, 06:49:31 PM
When fully set the female mould was removed from the foam male.

This was then set level on a block of wood using the same clay as I had used to level the foam male.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 30, 2010, 06:52:27 PM
I then poured hard plaster into the mould and allowed this to fully harden. (the photo shows a 'papier mache plaster' trial piece placed back in the mould if you wonder why the plaster does not appear to have flowed into the mould fully)


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 30, 2010, 06:54:44 PM
This photo shows the rough 'papier mache plaster' removed - the hard plaster was smoother but still need final finishing especially where there was the odd air bubble in the silicone mould.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 30, 2010, 06:56:07 PM
Here is the hard plaster mould finished and fixed onto a balsa base - this helps to stop the plaster cracking under pressure in the vacuum former.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 30, 2010, 06:58:52 PM
Here are all the parts together, including one of the earlier formed canopies.

You probably know already, but if you press the play button to the top right of the first image, the site software will give a slideshow of all the images.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Don McLellan on April 30, 2010, 07:32:51 PM
Very interesting Russ. Thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: thymekiller on April 30, 2010, 07:50:20 PM
Top shelf wood work.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: crashcaley on April 30, 2010, 07:56:39 PM
Gosh Russ, What a nice set of bones. I can't believe how detailed it is. I agree with Steve in that it is almost a shame to cover that gem.

Caley


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on January 31, 2012, 04:49:57 PM
I forgot to post this ... slight .... progress shot last month.

I was going to ask why have I stalled so much on this build ... but I do know the reasons. These are hopefully behind me now and my mind is running in all directions!
Now I am a bit 'rusty' (cue for another model on the go!) it is taking a while getting back into things. I need to get some covering and airbrush practice in elsewhere first.

I have eased back into things by adding my favourite radiused fillets! You can argue all you like against them ... they work for me!

 


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Sky9pilot on January 31, 2012, 05:08:16 PM
Thanks for bringing this back to the top...

Russ...

Great build, the "Butcher Bird" is one of my favorite WWII birds.  And you captured all the bumps so well.  Most models miss these features.  Well done!!!

Tom


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Laurence Marks on January 31, 2012, 05:12:10 PM
Nice model Russ.  This year perhaps? 


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on January 31, 2012, 05:16:20 PM
Tom,
Thanks ... it should really be finished off before it starts sliding down the list again .... nearly two years since my last post  :-[


Hopefully this year Laurence ... but I'm afraid you do perhaps know me by now  :-[


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: PeeTee on January 31, 2012, 05:41:32 PM
Russ

My how time flies when you are having fun (or not, as the case may be ;))

I still marvel at the workmanship, and like others feel that it looks too good to cover. Mind you, I'm sure it'll look even better with some tissue and airbrushing.

I'll continue to watch in awe.

Peter


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Don McLellan on January 31, 2012, 06:15:12 PM
Hi Russ,

Just for the record, I like radiused fillets.  Beautiful model.

Don


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on January 31, 2012, 06:22:09 PM
Peter,
Thanks ... firing in all directions at the moment ... just hope that I can keep the momentum going into actual builds.
The coupe drawing is still on the go BTW. What date is Viabon? (I don't mind wandering on threads - especially my 'own')

Don,
Thanks ... I think I remember you liking the fillets from times when 'Yad' was still posting.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: danmellor on February 01, 2012, 04:00:02 PM
Russ, that's gorgeous! You are what I call a serious scale modeller, as opposed to my bags of enthusiasm but sod all talent approach... I hope you can get it done for the Nats, I'd love to see it in the flesh and finished...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 01, 2012, 04:32:35 PM
'od all talent? .... you gotta be joking Dan.
There are those people that you always want to see what the've got in their model boxes ... for me, you are definitely one of those people.
That's what I like about the Nottingham meets though ... I was feeling pleased with myself there one night ... then I realised I was sat between Paul Briggs and Willard Wigan!
I thought that it doesn't matter how good or bad you think you might be ... there is always something to aim for! Pete wasn't there that night to provide further emphasis!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: OZPAF on February 01, 2012, 06:42:04 PM
Apart from the beautiful workmanship - you have really captured the shape well, and even duplicated some of the full size structural positions - in the Fin and the wing.
You did a very good job on your drawings.
Glad to see it up and progressing again.
John


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: TimH on February 01, 2012, 07:39:19 PM
Great to see you getting some building done again Russ; that 190  is a superb piece of workmanship. I'm glad that I saw it in it's uncovered state when you brought it to the Nats a while back, and It would be wonderful to see it done finally; she deserves to fly!

Tim


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: danmellor on February 03, 2012, 05:08:56 PM
Thanks for the kind words, Russ! It's nice to know someone likes what I do, even when I think it's not very good! As you say, we should all aspire to get better, otherwise what is the point?! That should apply to everything; not just playing with small aeroplanes.

See you on the 12th?

Dan.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 04, 2012, 10:16:29 AM
Weather permitting Dan .... should be working but nevermind! It used to be great with the 5.30pm start, as I could go straight from work.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: danmellor on February 04, 2012, 11:47:16 AM
Like I said, hope you can make it next time. It's a great venue. Don't trust Google as it sent me down a dead end to a fence with a gate in it where you could see the sports hall in the far distance...

If the Ryan or the Bird Dog aren't up to scratch, Knackers to it.  I will build what what I want to build and stuff the competition. We are supposed to be in this for fun, after all.

Cheers, Dan.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: PeeTee on February 05, 2012, 11:36:35 AM
Russ

There's no rush for the Jumping plan, and I'd rather see you make progress on the 190 ;). If however, you are sitting at the computer in a plans mood, I catch the late night ferry on Thursday 23rd Feb!

I hope you are not snowed in :o I escaped from Husbands Bosworth just before the snow arrived!

Peter


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 05, 2012, 03:03:06 PM
Peter,

Were I a connection to a computer, I would be a very slow parallel port rather than a fast serial port! I like to have a few things on the go all coming along very slowly.
I have a child-like attention span I'm afraid!
Besides, my shed is a bit snow covered at the minute for any building work!

Quick question ... would you make the wing for the Jumping in two parts?


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: PeeTee on February 05, 2012, 03:55:22 PM
I'm afraid that for me ADD rules OK ;D

I'm certain that Jumping 1 was a two piece shoulder mounted wing, but Jumping II is a single piece wing with a sheeted centre section. The 3 view isn't clear, but I've pored over the photo (which is at the start of More Vintage Coupes) and this definitely shows a one piece wing with parallel sheeting just slightly wider than the fuselage.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Peter


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on June 09, 2012, 03:20:23 PM
After all this time I have changed the specific aircraft that I am modelling ... I am now going for 'Blue 13' as flown by Walter Dahl.

I have just got a new batch of paints for pilot painting. I have used my favourite 'Games Workshop' paints ... though they have now been rebranded as 'Citadel'.

I have tried to give him a 'Walter Dahl' look with the moustache.  ::)
The figure is one of Dave Bank's superb pilots.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: danmellor on June 09, 2012, 04:35:36 PM
Yeah Russ! Nice to see some more progress on this outstanding build. Looking forward to seeing some more....

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: p40qmilj on June 10, 2012, 12:07:59 PM
 ;D nice looking model  who'se plan/kit arre you using.  what size/

jim


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: kittyfritters on June 10, 2012, 12:43:55 PM
The title for this should perhaps read: 'My Indoor Scale Nats Build - FAIL' ;:-\

I had hoped to get this model finished for the indoor scale nats - as you will see, I am still a long way off so I suppose I am starting this thread to 'vent my frustration'.

I have designed the model hoping that it will be light enough for indoor flying but suitable for outdoors too.

I have an old Airfix 1/72 kit for the Fw - I've always liked the 'texture' of the 'laddered' flying surfaces and wanted to get that same feel with this model. I have taken the route of 'lots of little bits' so the model is not as heavily built as it might first seem ( :P)

I'll start the thread with the bones almost all there. The model was primarily drawn from John Weal 3 view drawings with further help from the Bluebottle Squadron boys and the Bentley drawings. I later found that the drawings I scaled from were not quite 1/72 scale, so the model is 1/19.6 scale instead of the intended 1/20 scale. It's about 21" span anyway!

Russ,


Quite an effort!  What you have posted, in this thread, is a record of a stick and tissue modeling tour de force.  I can't wait to see a photo of it finished.

I have some familiarity with the problem you mentioned in scaling plans from drawings.  Scale drawings from well respected sources are sometimes not to the stated scale and sometimes don't match the stated dimensions.   I have even obtained scale drawings directly from the aircraft manufacturer that were inaccurate.  I admire your diligence!

Howard


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on June 10, 2012, 02:18:59 PM
Thanks all ... I feel as though I have really got to get going on the Fw this time!

Jim,
It's my own design and is just over 21" span

Howard,
I was a bit surprised that the initial drawings didn't quite match the stats for the aircraft when multiplied up ... but I was caught between going for anything between 1/20th and 1/16th scale so the slight size increase is welcome really.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: kittyfritters on June 12, 2012, 05:21:16 PM
Howard,
I was a bit surprised that the initial drawings didn't quite match the stats for the aircraft when multiplied up ... but I was caught between going for anything between 1/20th and 1/16th scale so the slight size increase is welcome really.

Since I fly, mostly, outdoors I have decided to standardize all my new scale designs at 1:16 scale.  This makes most subjects a nice size for outdoor flying and easy conversion to electric power.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 16, 2013, 07:03:22 PM
OK .... I'm ready for the collective groan!  ::)
Here is my yearly report on the Fw's progress.
Last year turned out to be a bit of a false dawn ... this year could be the same.

Fillets ... some of them anyway!
Watercolour paper .... and glue frosting in a shed that's not really warm enough yet.

Starboard side


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 16, 2013, 07:05:34 PM
Overall shot .... I noticed that there are about seven models at various stages in this shot (a couple of them are Bill Brown's)



Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 16, 2013, 07:06:51 PM
Port side rear fillet in place


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 16, 2013, 07:08:23 PM
This shot is purely to urge me on by getting myself to imagine the model with a bit of paint on!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Rich Moore on February 17, 2013, 09:29:15 AM
It's going to be worth the wait...


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Sky9pilot on February 17, 2013, 09:52:55 PM
Great progress....she's looking good.  I think we're all guilty of hanger flying and doing what stirs the imagination to see the end product.  Well done! 8)

Tom


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: OZPAF on February 22, 2013, 07:11:43 PM
Its good to see this project moving again. Although I can understand your reluctance to cover that beautiful structure.
I'm sure you will do it justice.
John


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 22, 2013, 07:31:47 PM
Thanks all ... I feel like I'm taking the mickey a bit with the time that has elapsed, but I am posting progress fairly well as it happens. I hope that one day it will look like a proper build thread.

I have made it a bit too complicated for my own good I think ... I've sort of lost my way with it in part. I still have two jam jars full of parts ... some duplicate, some 'obselete' and others still to be added (undercarriage, machine gun 'bumps' for the wings, prop blades etc. etc.)
One thing I do keep forgetting to show are the vac formed spinner and cooling fan that I made a long while ago ... I'll get some photos done soon.

My original plan was to make two ... one for rubber and one electric .... this one might be 'dual fuel', with a plug in electric module as an option to the rubber power I will initially set it up for.



Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: fred on March 22, 2013, 11:13:12 PM
It's looking like a Lovely model. I'm always seduced by intricate wooden structure scale models .
 IF you go 'lectric. I would suggest shear webs on the wing spars..  easy lite and very useful in cartwheels :-)
My electric (gasp!) RC efforts typically are 1:20 or 1:24 scale. Comprising a wee brushless motor ~10 grams, an esc 6 grams, 17 gram 2S 300 mah battery  a 4 gram Rx and 2 x 2 gram servos.. Under 40 grams total with wires etc.
 A bit porkier than FF admittedly. But that wee motor can hang a 3.5 /4 ounce model on it's propellor (helicopter style)... at will, indefinitely... and gives up to 8 mins of serious performance per charge from that miniscule battery.
 Not suggesting that this is to your liking, just what is easily/currently possible.. for very few $ in avionics ( $8 motor, $6 esc, $4 battery, $3 servo, Rx anywhere from $6 to $20)


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on March 23, 2013, 12:47:47 PM
Fred,
I think I am going to struggle to be under 40g if I remember the last time I weighed things up correctly!
I have a RTF micro RC model and plenty of micro RC gear that has not found it's way into anything yet .... I do like RC but something just keeps me drawn to free flight.
As much as I appreciate his reasons, it still 'upsets' me that Pete Iliffe has converted even some of his FF scale models to RC now  :(
I've said it before, I find FF more about the model and RC more about the pilot ... this was proved to me by the early trials for indoor scale at RAF Digby in the UK.
All of a sudden we were talking about the quality of 'descending turns' by the pilot etc. and not the model ... sent me cold to be honest.
 


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: fred on March 25, 2013, 12:01:11 PM
Lovely model.. Fabric covered control surface details are wonderful.
 Have No idea on the ossified opinion of rc though :-).
Been building Free flights since 1960.. started with Comet Kits...progressing quickly into scratch builds as result of those 'kits'
RC was .. (when it finally became small enough , affordable :-) and reliable enough to fit into rubber scale models) a Godsend imo.
IMO  Anything that extends either a mode's flight or lifespan is  to be gratefully embraced
 However RC piloting is a definite skill as well. All too often the cause of destruction in itself.
 IF one was doing RC primarily for the Walter Mitty flying of it.. a wee and laboriously crafted Scale model is not an ideal choice.
Small 'scale' and our Mr Reynolds don't often happily co exist. Although at 1:20 that's not ..that.. small a model
In theory one 'could' fit a wee RC setup  and perhaps: 'not turn it on' for free flight.  Dual function ?


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: mike j on March 27, 2013, 01:08:49 PM
wow, such a beautiful piece of work. i've had a few that took more than a few years to build ;)


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on March 27, 2013, 03:36:58 PM
Thanks Mike  :) ... I've still not been able to put my finger on the reason why some builds get finished whilst some that you really want to finish, do not!


Quote
In theory one 'could' fit a wee RC setup  and perhaps: 'not turn it on' for free flight.  Dual function ?
Fred,
I agree, there are at least a couple of modellers that take this route in the UK.
As I have said, I have nothing at all against RC and will probably move to it again for some types of model ... it is just that free flight captures my attention more.
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IMO  Anything that extends either a mode's flight or lifespan is  to be gratefully embraced
This is very true, but at the same time the expectation is that the model should survive  .... and so the sense of achievement I get when (if?!) I do get a free flight scale model to perform well is great.
I have captured this once when flying my pietenpol ... you can hear a little 'grunt' of satisfaction as the model circles over my head! This was probably a turning point for me in aeromodelling ... it got me set on free flight scale as my main interest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajwfRtEnbbA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajwfRtEnbbA)


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 01, 2014, 05:38:42 PM
OK, so it's time to give you the annual chuckle ... er ... progress report!

Following my recent success with my Sopwith Triplane, I seem to have lost my 'fear of failure' for a while so have dug out the FW190 again ... well, some of the bits anyway.

I got some park flyer wheels that had tyres fairly well in line with the Fw190 at 1:20 scale.
The Fw190 wheels are not that inspiring, but I have started making up some ply disks to represent them. I turned a mm or so off the park flyer rims to accommodate the disks.

In this photo you can also see the 'experimental' hub that I have made for the 3 blade prop ... this will have a 'sacrificial joint' to hopefully cut down on the blade carnage I have experienced with the Bluebottle Typhoon.

 


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 01, 2014, 05:42:49 PM
I turned the disks in 1/32" ply to start ... and added Vee grooves to represent wheel detail without going to town on them too much.
The 'bolts' are then represented by first drilling holes and then pushing the beveled ends of cocktail sticks until tight and then cutting and sanding to suit.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 01, 2014, 05:48:38 PM
The finished disk gives a good enough representation at 1:20 scale without putting too much work in .... I think if I get the UC sorted, the rest will start to follow. For some reason the UC has been a sticking point for me .... if I adopt a 'near enough is good enough' attitude it might move me along quicker!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: OZPAF on February 02, 2014, 06:06:26 PM
Very effective Russ.
John


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Don McLellan on February 02, 2014, 11:40:53 PM
Very nice work Russ!  But please note I'm not sure I can wait another year for the other wheel....... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Truly looking forward to more pics as you progress.  This is an exceptional model!!

Don


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 04, 2014, 02:56:40 PM
You know me too well Don  :) .... I have already done the bits for the other wheel too, but they are not assembled yet ......

Grateful for the comment Don, but I was again humbled by a visit to Pete Iliffe's house yesterday. I'm happy with my building .... until I see Pete's!

I will disrupt my thread for a while with his latest micro RC model!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: PeeTee on February 04, 2014, 04:25:21 PM
Russ

Keep at it - we are cheering you on!

Is the undercarriage retractable on Pete's model?

Peter


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 04, 2014, 04:34:30 PM
Thanks Peter  :)

The UC on Pete's model is a plug-in type .... for display and hopefully indoor flying if the model behaves indoors.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 04, 2014, 04:35:20 PM
..... and I would be happy with a slow hand clap to be honest .... no more than I deserve  ::)


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 15, 2014, 03:36:09 PM
Just as proof .... here's the pair!
The rear is shown on one wheel.

I have painted these since .... and must admit I made a fairly poor job. Hoping that once they are in place it might just look like 'weathering'



Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: OZPAF on February 15, 2014, 05:09:37 PM
Russ I would like to climb to your "near enough is godd enough" level  ;D Living near Mr Illife must be daunting I suppose.
Now how did you get produce those neat little slots(?) near the rim of the hubs on the back of the wheels?

John


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Don McLellan on February 15, 2014, 05:40:34 PM
The wheels are beautiful Russ, and well worth the wait.  :D :D :D :D

The detail is perfect!

Don


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 15, 2014, 05:48:15 PM
Thanks both  :)

John,
Here's a shot of my 'micro engineering corner' in the workshop.
I use the Proxxon micro-mill to the right .... I thought I might be wasting my money when I bought this, but I have spent many many more hours on it than I ever expected.
It's shown here with the dividing table set on it's side to do the hole drilling of the rims for the spoked wheels I am making.
For the Fw190 wheels the dividing table was set flat and each of the slots make with a 15 deg 'stroke' 


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 15, 2014, 05:52:35 PM
Not for the Fw190 quite obviously, but here is a shot of my current progress with the spoked wheels as I have just mentioned them ... I've almost got them looking like a 'product' now!  ::)



Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: OZPAF on February 16, 2014, 01:08:32 AM
Hmm! just a bit better than "near enough"  ;D Beautiful work Russ.
John


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 15, 2014, 05:29:23 PM
Forgive me for posting another bones shot on this incredulously slow thread, but I just love the menacing look of a Fw190 at this attitude.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 15, 2014, 05:32:15 PM
I must admit that one of the reasons I am reluctant to press on with this model, is that I want to make a larger version too .... and I'm struggling to remember how I put it together....

Here are the cowl parts for what will be about a 32" span version (one and a half size of the first)


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: OZPAF on September 15, 2014, 08:32:22 PM
It looks great from any angle Russ - but I would love to see it finished and flying.
The larger version would be impressive though.
John


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Don McLellan on September 15, 2014, 08:40:16 PM
Hi Russ,

I'm completely blown away by your work!!  I would not cover this model; it is waaaaaay to beautiful to cover.

Don


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: sparkle on September 16, 2014, 02:25:28 AM
 ;D A favourite aircraft. love to see it in either size!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Pat D on September 16, 2014, 04:57:40 AM
looks great Russ - you really have that menacing look down perfectly, well done.

I'm currently working on the bluebottle FW190 D and hope to tackle the Aerographics/Mike Midkiff FW190 F after this.

Watching with great interest

Pat


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: dosco on September 16, 2014, 08:12:07 AM
Russ:
That's a beaut ... one of my favorite airplanes.

Although the bones are outstanding in their own right, I'm hoping to see her covered and in the air!

:)

Cheers-
Dave



Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 20, 2016, 03:46:34 PM
I have been doing bits and bobs for this over time .... still cannot believe it's about 18 months since my last post again!  :-[
I have built models in between though, but didn't look at all likely to get the Sopwith Pup made for the upcoming Nats so out came the Fw190 again!

I've dithered that much trying to find suitable documentation that I am failing even with this again. I have changed the subject aircraft yet again to 'Red 1'.

UC is starting to come out of my mind ... just bolted in place for now while I finalise the assembly.
Power will now be electric (though I designed it to be 'modular' and will easily convert to other power)
Voodoo motor and Zombie timer.
Inner wing bulges added.
Spinner formed (falling off in this shot!)
I'd like to go for it to get it done, but I can't see me having enough time spare to throw at it.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Rich Moore on April 20, 2016, 03:49:04 PM
It doesn't matter how long it takes - it looks fantastic.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Ex Member on April 20, 2016, 03:59:04 PM
I've probably said this before, but that is super Russ.  I hope you can get it finished off soon.

Andrew


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 20, 2016, 04:01:21 PM
Thanks both .... after all this time I was gunning to get it flying this weekend (unpainted)
Can't see it happening now though ... behind on too many jobs for work.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 20, 2016, 04:04:01 PM
I've had the fan vac-formed for about five years and still not shown it yet. Only recently painted it though.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: OZPAF on April 20, 2016, 09:47:08 PM
Its great to see you back on this Russ.

John


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: skyraider on April 20, 2016, 11:23:24 PM
Very nice 190 Russ! Excellent workmanship. Wish my builds were that clean.

Skyraider


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Pete Fardell on April 21, 2016, 01:48:05 AM
Looks great, Russ. I love the way all the parts, wing fillets etc. all fit together so smoothly. Keep at it if you can as it will be a treat to see finished!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: ffscale on April 21, 2016, 07:53:48 AM
As somebody with a fair share of long term projects sitting in the cupboard, I know where you are coming from.  The structure looks great, and the whole thing looks spot on accuracy-wise.  Just keep it ticking over - half an hour here and there will keep the project moving until you reach the final push for the line.  It'll be worth waiting for, that's for sure.

Mike S


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 21, 2016, 06:38:54 PM
Thanks again all  :)

Thanks Mike, sound advice .... I've a feeling that this could well turn into the final push.
I'm not really trying to get it done for the Nats, but I must admit that settling on the latest colour scheme has given me a new drive.



Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: danmellor on April 21, 2016, 07:34:32 PM
Lovely to see this again, Russ!

Dan.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 21, 2016, 07:59:43 PM
Cheers Dan .... I've only started posting again because I have moved significantly on it. I will be disappointed if this is not run in to completion this time.



Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 22, 2016, 03:55:56 PM
The spiral on the spinner didn't go as well as planned .... not too bad from this angle.
Struggled with the masking ... any tips?

Speaking of angle ... I might have masked the canopy at slightly the wrong angle. I forgot that I had already cut pair of 'blinkers' for the original aircraft I was going to model. Will check it against these. (I find it strangely hard to check by holding the canopy over the drawing ... mainly me not coping with parallax error)


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 22, 2016, 03:59:42 PM
I'm going to cover the model with black Esaki .... mainly to see how mean it will look!
I'm one of those that keeps holding the structure up to the light when spraying .... I'm sure I put too much paint on because of this. The black tissue might also break this habit?

The rudder is a bit blurred .... but the ivy is in fine focus!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: strat-o on April 22, 2016, 05:27:03 PM
Starting to look like a proper butcher bird.  I like how the structure mimics the full scale plane like the open triangle in the fin and the rib spacing in the ailerons, etc.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: justwannafly on July 05, 2016, 12:45:15 PM
Wow... beautiful workmanship. Shame to cover it all up! Can't wait to see more pix.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on July 05, 2016, 04:30:08 PM
Thanks both .... yet another break I'm afraid. Not much modelling activity at all lately  :(


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Don McLellan on July 05, 2016, 08:53:07 PM
Hi Russ,

Somehow I missed your update pic.  Very, very nice work but management says your break is over............. ;D ;D

D


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on January 31, 2017, 05:40:56 PM
Yes, it's still moving!
I have rewound the clock to about 2011 ... including forum name in an attempt to capture something I felt I had more of then (mainly enthusiasm!)
Building now as a sport model ... it seems to be moving along so much better.
Debating the colour scheme ... I have a scheme in mind that might try 'on the way' to the proper one!

Only a phone camera pic in the half light.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on January 31, 2017, 07:21:50 PM
Shifting towards the colour scheme of a little known fighter bomber Ace .... Major I. Kilmeister of MH.1 gruppe.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: MKelly on January 31, 2017, 07:47:19 PM
Nice scheme - I like all the red trim.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 01, 2017, 04:32:45 PM
Thanks Mkelly ... part of it is imaginary, not sure if I will go with that part yet!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 01, 2017, 04:34:05 PM
Pilot suitably altered ....  ;)


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: OZPAF on February 01, 2017, 04:40:04 PM
Very impressive - I'm glad this is on the assembly line again.

John


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 01, 2017, 04:54:56 PM
Thanks John .. as soon as the weather picks up and the ground dries, this is going to fly! Just a glide with the prop replaced with weight for a start, but it is going to take to the air this year!
It's been laying around too long ... I'll finish it properly once flown.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 03, 2017, 07:51:13 PM
I had the airbrush out today and ... well ... as much as I wanted to finish the model in black tissue first, I had a 'waft' around in a couple of places just to see how it looked when the stringers started to disappear.
Glad I did really, because things were smoother than expected in most places ... will still just do a basic spray job before test glides though.
Still not covered the wings ... still fretting over whether or not to beef up inboard of the UC fixings towards the wing centre.
Will perhaps add a web and a couple of fillets or so?


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 04, 2017, 04:45:15 PM
Decided to infill the bay between the wing root and UC location, 'just in case'.

Four more main bits of tissue and then I'll give it a test glide ... gulp .. after all this time this moment has become a bit of a shock.
Will just tape some bits in place for now .... I just want to have it flown in some way.
Once I've broken this 'bogey', then I can get it finished up and start on the other 'long termer', the Zep Lindau CS-1


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: OZPAF on February 04, 2017, 05:52:35 PM
FF as it seems that you are going to fly with the UC I was wondering if you had considered a removeable one and flying with out it to save damage?

John


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 04, 2017, 06:07:18 PM
John ... yes, the UC is removable. I will try it first without the UC, but I am just thinking to the future when the UC will be in place.
I am trying a torsion tube arrangement with 'sacrificial' location plate ... I'm hoping that this plate will hold the UC in the right place under normal loads, but give way in a crash situation.

The plate is held in place with a retaining screw ... you can just see the  hole for the screw in this shot.



Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 04, 2017, 06:13:31 PM
An earlier shot with the basic UC in place .... I realise now that I have only posted one previous photo with the UC in clear view.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Yak 52 on February 05, 2017, 04:51:19 AM
Good to see this one coming on Russ - looks ace!  :)


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Balsa Ace on February 05, 2017, 07:05:48 AM
Top notch work. :)

Scott


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Pete Fardell on February 05, 2017, 08:19:00 AM
It's looking great, Russ. Looking forward to seeing it fly.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 05, 2017, 03:16:44 PM
Thanks all  :)

Now that I'm going 'straight to spray', the dark tissue overlaps are not such an issue.
This spurred me on to get the wings covered.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 05, 2017, 03:21:14 PM
Not shown the motor yet as I remember?
I'm hoping to form a slide in tray that will carry the Zombie and battery .... as I have seen Peter Smart do at least a few times.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 06, 2017, 01:50:46 PM
This happened sooner than expected ... the Fw190 took to the air today.
I wouldn't say that it flew, but it did take to the air.
Elevating myself to the Top Ten of Aeromodellers today ....... Top Ten of Idiot Aeromodellers I should say!  ::) (some would say I was there already  ;D )
It was too windy, the ground was too wet and the long grass was more like spiky thistle ... I had to give it a go though.
I put the equivalent in weight to the motor up front ... I just wanted to see how far off the CG was.
Couldn't really tell much at all in the conditions, but it was rolling in to the left ... more roll than tip stall I thought.
I tweaked the aileron slightly and it did land level ... too blustery to tell if it was stalling or diving, so I cut short the idiocy before I did any damage.
Just from that last little glide I would hazard a guess that it's not that far off balance-wise.
Weight inc. nose weight was 66g ... not the lightest but still below 1g per sq. inch.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: danmellor on February 07, 2017, 12:05:01 PM
Love the obscure colour scheme, Russ. He was definitely more of a "Bomber"...

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 07, 2017, 04:51:11 PM
Phew Dan ... I had my money on you or Rich getting the 'joke' much earlier!  ::)
I might bottle it and go for the proper one again .... my 'non-competitive mind' seems to get competitive again from time to time.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 07, 2017, 04:58:18 PM
With the conditions being less 'idiotic' today, I took the model out for a couple more test glides.
A proper glide this time ... surprisingly slow too. The CG does look to be about right, but I will tweak it once the paint has gone on.
The small adjustment of the aileron seems to have eliminated the roll.

More wafting of paint ... the underside has about the right density now.
The black tissue seems to help well with putting just the right amount of paint on ... all paint so far has only added just over a gram.
Cockpit area not detailed and sealed up yet ... so no paint around there.



Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Rich Moore on February 08, 2017, 02:54:58 AM
Oh dear - sorry Russ. Don't know how I missed that, must've not opened the enlarged view.

Things are looking really good and I love that first good glide feeling...


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: rgroener on February 08, 2017, 04:00:30 AM
Very nice Focke Wulf!

Good to know, that it looks promising in the air. I never try to fly my planes before finishing.... Maybe I should start with it.
What's the idea behind it? If your plane persistently refuse to fly, will you never finish it?
Roman


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: DHnut on February 08, 2017, 04:23:29 AM
Roman that is an interesting observation and one I debate a lot. I have now come to the conclusion that for me it is best to get to a basic finish level but not do markings and detail then start the trimming. My reasoning is the model is lighter and will bounce better. Also once the trim is established the effect of weight gain can be established. The weight gain of repairs can sometimes change flying characteristics usually not for the better. 
If any weak points show up the repairs are less difficult and vunerable detail is not knocked off or damaged. I have made on one occasion a new tailplane because there was too much weight added to the nose.
In the case of a CO2 powered Comper when I finished a dummy Pobjoy radial engine it really hut to add weight to the tail but I had establshed initial trim with a basic but lighter engine and when the detail was added I started from a known point making the first flights in the new state much less stressful. That in turn lead to changes to reduce engine weight.
Ricky


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 08, 2017, 05:38:35 AM
Roman,
The model is my own design and I'm trying something just slightly different with the flying surface incidences.
The main reason was to establish the centre of gravity.

Other than that ... all the reasoning that Ricky has outlined.
The model did land heavily on the first couple of attempts ...this would have been heavier with a fully finished model and a bit depressing if any damage had been sustained.

Plus ... it has been a long time in the making ... I just wanted the psychological boost of knowing that the model has done what it was intended to do .... fly! In that way  I feel that the model has been completed at last!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 08, 2017, 03:58:56 PM
I got carried away today and roughly outlined the camo on the wings etc.  .... needs smartening up with proper masks.
Only a dusting of colour again though, so nothing too bad.



Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Rich Moore on February 08, 2017, 04:12:45 PM
It's coming alive...


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: USch on February 08, 2017, 04:30:46 PM
It might take you some time to build such a model, but the result let's me without breath  ::)
and it is not yet finished...

Urs


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: DHnut on February 08, 2017, 08:19:28 PM
Russ this is just the kick I need to get on with the large 26" span FW190D. Main job is to carve the canopy plug. Hope to see yo at the Nats in may
Ricky


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: rgroener on February 09, 2017, 05:22:24 AM
Russ and Ricky, thanks for your explanations. As sad, I have never done it, but maybe I have to start it now ;D
Roman


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 09, 2017, 07:41:22 AM
Thanks all  :)
Look forward to it Ricky ... I've scaled my plan to 1:14 and 1:16 too.
I've started a 30" version but perhaps would have preferred the 26" one myself.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: tom arnold on February 09, 2017, 10:08:59 AM
Russ, I, too, am a FW-190 groupie (only at the 24"span size) and have it on my "To Do" list. Everybody always asks for plans but may I ask the source of your 3 views? I have found that the FW-190 is like the P-51 in that there are dozens of plans and 3 views and almost all have copied mistakes from each other. Yours seems very close to the photos and very authentic.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Super64 on February 09, 2017, 10:30:09 AM
That's just a lights-out model  :D

-Joe  8)


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: DHnut on February 09, 2017, 01:35:29 PM

Tom I have used the 3 views from Airframe and minature No 3 by Richard Franks from Valiant publications. It is for the Fw190D and Ta 152. This book has a lot of background and is intended for the plastic modeller. The 3 views are in 1/48 scale and have a good range of cross sections.
Ricky   


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 09, 2017, 01:57:04 PM
Hi Tom,
I started  with the Osprey publications drawings first (John Weale?)
Someone then kindly gave me a set of Bentley drawings.
Both sets matched quite well but the Bentley drawings were excellent for the cross sections.
Some of them featured in FSM not long after.

Thanks Joe!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 09, 2017, 02:17:42 PM
One compromise I have made that is slightly more noticeable than hoped.
I have 'drooped' the trailing edge slightly as the model has a flat bottomed section.
Hardly noticeable in 'three view' but can be seen from the rear quarter view more.
I can live with it though.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: tom arnold on February 09, 2017, 04:25:53 PM
Thank you both for the leads. I am familiar with the excellent Bentley drawings and they are, as my UK friends would say, "quite dear". The other source I am not but will pursue both at any rate. Many thanks again.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Copbait73 on February 09, 2017, 09:10:42 PM
Tom
I have a Flair FW-190 model kit that builds an excellent (I think) representation. Most of the guys on this site know it as Flair is UK based. I have found my local group of FAC modelers knew nothing of Flair and were impressed after viewing the kit at one of our meetings.
At 27 1/2" wingspan it's sized right for FAC events and with attention to typical reduction of wood on the plan it looks good. Details balsa construction vs. heavy dependence on plastic as it's closest competitor Guillows.
Contact me if interested.
Marty


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Balsa Ace on February 11, 2017, 07:18:23 AM
Great work on the camo paint.

Scott


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 11, 2017, 01:53:28 PM
Thanks Scott.

Sharpened up the edges a little today and worked on the fuselage more.
I think the black tissue works well ... it's easier to see when the coverage is sufficient. With the flash of the camera the black seems to show through a little more, but in the flesh the finish is more even.
(I think it's like those paparazzi photos where a black dress becomes see-thru' ?)
To back up this, the weight of the model has only gone up by about a gram so far.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 11, 2017, 01:58:09 PM
I laid some graphite from a 5B pencil very lightly around the edges of the aileron structure and then rubbed it in.
Pleased to see that the extra work I put into the structure has not been lost.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Balsa Ace on February 11, 2017, 02:07:16 PM
I laid some graphite from a 5B pencil very lightly around the edges of the aileron structure and then rubbed it in.
Pleased to see that the extra work I put into the structure has not been lost.


Those aileron details looks great.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Ex Member on February 11, 2017, 02:20:57 PM
Stunning work Russ, looks superb.

Andrew


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 14, 2017, 03:15:41 PM
Thanks again .... a little more dabbling today.

Upper wing markings masked and sprayed

A bit of over-spray on one wing that I wiped off and took a little paint with .... it really is just a fine mist over the black tissue.



Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 14, 2017, 03:19:21 PM
I cut out paper templates for the masking of the fuselage and then taped them for trial positioning.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 16, 2017, 01:48:22 PM
More masking for markings today.

A delicate mask for the 'Rauhbautz' .... got a bit of creep underneath, but nothing too bad.



Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: danmellor on February 16, 2017, 03:48:02 PM
Lovely, Russ!!

Dan.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: daveh on February 16, 2017, 03:48:47 PM
Beautiful work Russ, what is the masking material?

Dave


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: OZPAF on February 16, 2017, 04:39:50 PM
Really nice work.

John


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Rich Moore on February 16, 2017, 04:56:41 PM
Gorgeous model Russ!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Pete Fardell on February 16, 2017, 06:13:57 PM
It's looking very classy indeed, Russ.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 16, 2017, 06:52:55 PM
Thanks all  :)

Dave,

The 25mm masking tape is Duck Masking with 'paint block'
The 10mm masking tape is Tamiya.

The actual lettering is self adhesive vinyl cut on my cutter.
If you look closely, you can see that I have cut little windows all around the lettering.
This is to minimise the adhesion of the actual vinyl ... I dabbed my finger on the rest to kill a little of the adhesion.
The 10mm masking is stuck over these windows so that most of the mask is held in place by lo-tack of the masking tape rather than the excessive tack of the vinyl.
I managed to get the vinyl off without any damage, so I would say it was a success. Some of the vinyl did lift a little, but it doesn't leave much to touch up.

At first I was going to reverse cut the mask so that the vinyl didn't stick to the model at all .... this would have lifted though, so I'm happy with the route I took.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Rich Moore on February 16, 2017, 07:12:26 PM
Hi Russ. I like your use of a vinyl cutter for lettering. I know you haven't had too much of a problem, but have you tried stencil vinyl? A quick search for low-tack vinyl found the following. Don't know if it is any good, but may be worth a try in the future.
 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5MTR-OF-24-AIRBRUSH-STENCIL-VINYL-FOR-CUTTER-OR-ROBO-/200549453616 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5MTR-OF-24-AIRBRUSH-STENCIL-VINYL-FOR-CUTTER-OR-ROBO-/200549453616)


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 16, 2017, 07:31:45 PM
Yes, I've been on the 'look-out' for something like that, without much success (mainly because the supplier I use doesn't do it). Thanks for the link.
I've got a small roll of Frisk film somewhere, but I think it's past it's sell by date ... it didn't stick at all well last time I tried.
I've got rolls of 'normal vinyl' so I thought I'd give it a go with that.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 16, 2017, 07:34:51 PM
..... I've been looking for 'masking vinyl' .... airbrush stencil film seems to be the thing to search for then .... thanks again  :)


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 18, 2017, 08:10:38 PM
Just the 'red bar' on the 'red band' done today ... probably the thing that shows up least in the photo.
In the critical light of the late afternoon winter sun, the stringers etc. all show perhaps more than they do in the flesh ... but I'm still happy enough with how it's turning out.
Paint only seems to have added 3 grams so far ... but it is very thin and the underside particularly has rubbed away a bit. Kinda like the look though.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: DHnut on February 18, 2017, 09:57:32 PM
Russ,
         Looks good. Will it turn well enough to fly at Bushfield? I have carved the FW190D canopy plug and it there is enough time I hope to get some of the top camoflage on today. The weight gain for the paint is impressively low. I think with the airbrush the evenness of the coat takes out the thin spots that always appear when I brush a large area. The rubbed bits give the eimpression of weathering!
Ricky


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 19, 2017, 04:41:12 AM
Thanks Ricky .... I'm hoping that it will fly comfortably at Bushfield ... This reminds me that I am missing the meeting there today :(


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Pat D on February 19, 2017, 10:53:51 AM
Russ, that is fantastic !

Pat


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Sky9pilot on February 21, 2017, 02:23:46 AM
Russ...She's a beauty!  Love this build!
Tom


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 21, 2017, 06:02:01 PM
Thanks both.
Looking forward to getting it finished up, but I keep forgetting to start work on the cockpit interior.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 11, 2018, 07:14:32 PM
I know not why, but the Focke Wulf has turned into some kind of 'doodling pad' to try out techniques for weathering.
I keep the model at my 'work workshop' and every now and again I get it out for a few minutes.
Some bits have worked well ... some not so well.
As usual with me I go a bit freehand, so things are not the sharpest but looks quite atmospheric from the right angle.
The underside needs more repair and respraying after test glides, but I might try with the motor before I do that.



Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on June 21, 2019, 10:38:24 AM
I'm having a lazy day at work so took the Fw190 out for a few tests glides, balanced up with blu-tac.
On the last flight on the gentle slope near the lake, it was gliding steadily and then picked up towards the lake! Over 7 seconds for a hand launch and looking very steady.
I think I might revert to using rubber instead of electric power.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: OZPAF on June 21, 2019, 08:49:26 PM
It looks like this model could have a lot of potential. It's great to see it having a chance.

John


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on June 26, 2019, 11:22:17 AM
Thanks John :)

Glued the fan in place and then fired up the motor just with leads twisted together. I was surprised at just how much power seemed to come from the motor with just a small single cell Lipo. The motor is a Voodoo 45.
Wish I had time to fix it up for the weekend at Buckminster.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Pete Fardell on June 26, 2019, 12:27:51 PM
Wish I had time to fix it up for the weekend at Buckminster.
I'm sure you do, Russ. Wouldn't a late night or two do it?


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on June 26, 2019, 01:36:06 PM
Normally, yes Pete ..  but this is me!
I've started shifting all my modelling stuff back home but not set up shop yet ... zombie at home ... soldering iron and model at work etc. If I remember to get everything I need back to work I have a chance! ... but I'll only have tomorrow so it's a bit doubtful.
Once I get going at home again, I'm sure I'll be flying! .....


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Squirrelnet on June 26, 2019, 02:27:18 PM
Nice model Russ. it would be great to see it if you did get a chance  :D


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on June 26, 2019, 02:46:29 PM
I'll bring it for further glides down the slope at least.


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Squirrelnet on June 26, 2019, 02:56:13 PM
Excellent... just off to do a 'wind dropping' dance in the garden  ;D


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Pete Fardell on June 26, 2019, 03:18:44 PM
I've started shifting all my modelling stuff back home but not set up shop yet ... zombie at home ...  so it's a bit doubtful.
 
Yes, I can see it would be hard to get much done with a member of the living dead following you around, trying to eat your brains and leaving his limbs everywhere.  :)


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on June 26, 2019, 04:22:32 PM
..... sounds like my youngest after a night shift! ... 6 foot 7 inch, ravenous appetite and legs that lounge around both settees at the same time!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on June 26, 2019, 04:30:29 PM
Just to show that there has been no exaggeration... complete with comedy shorts hike!


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: Pete Fardell on June 26, 2019, 06:27:26 PM
Russ, he's clearly the wrong scale for your family. I'm not sure quite how you messed up, but can't you ask Dave Banks to redo him at about 75%?


Title: Re: Focke Wulf Fw190 A-8 - BUILD
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on June 27, 2019, 07:37:02 AM
Ha ha  :) .. I think that's still more expanded PU than even Dave can handle!