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Title: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on May 04, 2008, 06:27:43 PM
Life around the Hermitage has been pretty quiet lately with no building or flying to speak of, but today seemed pretty nice, calm with only slight breezes every so often, and sun mixed with overcast. So energy was summoned, models put in a box and off I went. Now a couple of weeks back our local RC club had a mall show and after going down to say hello and brouse some of their stuff it was suggested that I bring down some of my FF stuff and so I did. The guys there were pretty impressed which came as quite a surprise (inflated the ego out of all proportion!) and told me of a site inside the city where they play with park flyers and such and asked to see some of mine fly some day, so today was the day. The box of models included my old worn out Wildcat, the Hip Pocket Rocket, the peanut Tiger Moth, and the Fairchild 71.

The Fairchild really hasn't flown yet since I was waiting for "best conditions" before I risked it, and even though the grass wasn't really very tall, or soft, thought what the heck and decided to start with it. This new site is a pretty good size with a hill right in the middle of it and that was one factor used in this determination as I figured a downhill launch might be a bit safer. Throughout the day I found this was a pretty good idea even if it did mean walking back up hill quite often. But that wasn't the lonely trip that my flight retrievals have been up to now since one of the club members showed up and we had some pretty nice discussions while watching, winding, and chasing. Seems a number of members would like to try smaller electrics, but none of them know anything about building these little guys, hence the interest. This was the first time, ever, that anyone remotely connected to flying model airplanes has seen my models go, so I'm still a little dazed by the reaction, and from an RC'er to boot! Anyway back to the Fairchild, it flies, not quite as nicely as the old FC-2W but pretty well all the same and I managed a few pics.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on May 04, 2008, 06:33:43 PM
The day continued, sure was nice to have someone to share with and he was describing the wind tendencies of the field while we watched the Rocket perform. It seemed to like the field as well and once I got the adjustments just right was circling merrily, a few times putting a scare into me when it didn't look like it was going to come down. Time to buy a watch. These pics should give all you spies out there a better idea of the beast and pretty soon I'll put up some close up shots. For now, I like these, definitely in her element!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on May 04, 2008, 06:38:49 PM
Next up was the peanut Moth. Amazing little plane that just won't die. Not so great in the scale speed area however at it zips around like there's no tomorrow, and that's with a single loop of 1/8. Pretty strange for me, usually my peanuts need a little boost, but not this one.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on May 04, 2008, 06:46:03 PM
One last pic, the Wildcat on it's final flight. When I first flew this plane it performed without a fault, but after a few mishaps and my inability to get it fixed right the flight performance has deteriorated to this final not so good landing. It's had a short but very important life, as it was the first WWII fighter that I ever got to fly at all, so has a place of honor in my memory, but it's time for a fitting funeral. Too many crooked and skewed pieces to get right.

So it was a very good day, new field, good conversation, some new possibilities, and a relatively intact Fairchild.

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dan G. on May 04, 2008, 06:48:28 PM
Way-ta-go-hermit.

How fortunate to have that audience ... and that you were in position to impress them.

Those are pretty shapely outlines on your Rocket.

Dan G.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on May 04, 2008, 06:54:14 PM
Thanks Dan, sexy little devil, ain't it! Couple of flights today were over 2 minutes as a guess. It really is a beautiful sight to see something cruise around so well, so high, and for so long, even if it was mixed in with panic!

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: BillB on May 04, 2008, 07:15:06 PM
Hey Doug,
Now you know. Two of you gets you three times the fun!
Impressive pics too, I especially liked the final one of the Fairchild.

Bill.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on May 04, 2008, 07:21:30 PM
Thanks Bill, it was alot of fun. I like the last one too if for no other reason than it CAME BACK! The camera was on maximum zoom, the plane was heading into the breeze and flying nice and slow up high, and my trigger finger is getting quicker.
Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: 11 blade on May 04, 2008, 07:48:08 PM
Hey Doug,

Great story and great photos. I'm with Bill on that last shot of the Fairchild - it shows the detail so well. The Rocket is still cloaked in mystery with the high altitude "spy" shots you tease us with (grin). We look forward to the full disclosure on that bird. Also a dramatic shot of the Wildcat- I'm sorry to see a CU squadron mate going down...  good stuff all.

Doug B


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on May 04, 2008, 08:21:48 PM
Doug
I love seeing your planes in the sky , they look like thier big namesakes in the air!! Thank you for the pictures guy!! I'm glad we both got to do some flying today!
George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on May 05, 2008, 01:38:14 AM
Hi Doug,

Great shots of your airplanes in flight. When did you build the Fairchild (or did I miss something again)?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on May 05, 2008, 08:47:22 AM
Hi Don; I guess it was just before I started on HP, done for a high wing cabin cookup on John's FFCU group. I'll post a couple of pics when it was coming off the board. Love those early Fairchilds!

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: 11 blade on May 05, 2008, 01:55:59 PM
Hey Doug,

Good Pix of the Fairchild in the prior post. That radial motor build-up is superb. In the last shot, I'm looking past the Fairchild, and I see the Jenny, a Tiger Moth and what I believe may be the new, Uber secret "Rocket" on the left of the picture. The suspense continues to build... (grin)

Doug B


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on May 05, 2008, 02:18:19 PM
Thanks Doug, but no that's not the "Mystery Ship" to borrow a phrase. It's a tow line glider I built many moons ago but have never gotten to fly. Kinda hard to launch a tow line ship when you're by yourself never mind not knowing how. This new flying site may have some extra opportunities though, nice big hill, run down the hill with the glider starting on the grass, trip, fall, find glasses, find plane! Sounds like it might be worth a try huh! I'll try to dig up an old pic.

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: albackstrom on May 05, 2008, 03:40:30 PM
That's a nice looking semiscale glider Doug. Is it Al Cleave's Wolf? Hope it flies well for you, I have never been able to tow a model glider by hand.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on May 05, 2008, 05:10:58 PM
Hi Al; It is a Wolf, but bad me, it's been too long ago since I built it to remember if the plan was his or not, and there is no name on the plan. I believe it came from Model Builder if that helps at all.

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: exupery on May 05, 2008, 07:50:15 PM
Great pictures, Doug. Particularly the Fairchild. Know what you mean about trying to fly a towline glider by yourself. I have had one stashed away for years (RC job). Keep waiting for the right time, place, and someone with an interest to give me a hand. It's amazing to see the little Moth peanut fly so well.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on May 05, 2008, 10:20:32 PM
Thanks Ed. With the size of this hill at the new flying site I may actually have a mini slope soaring site, and hey, it's only a couple of thousand miles, come on up and bring the glider. Heehee

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dan G. on May 05, 2008, 11:58:22 PM
That's no semi-scale glider -- looks like a scale job, with that airfoil. It would be a bugger to tow, too.

All you guys who are having so much difficulties with towing, should try larger ships -- there's no replacement for wing area. I cannot over-exaggerate the difference in ease between towing small and large towliners. It is such a mistake to start with a small plane. I can self-launch an A-2 just by paying out the line while running, as you would with a kite, whereas I can hardly keep an A-1 on the line with a launcher and all ... no kidding. It is the wing area that's making the difference. (I haven't read Applehoney's treatise on towing, so I do hope I'm not contradicting him in some way)

Hey Hermit ... nice Fairchild, lot's of detail around the nose. Looks really good and obviously flies. Pray tell -- where's that engine from?

Dan G.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on May 06, 2008, 12:25:56 AM
Dan;
Yup, it's a bugger to tow, tried a couple of times on my own but ran out of breath and glue. This new flying site is rekindling interest though, so I shall try again. Even one flight would be nice to see.

The fairchild engine was done from scratch with some hardwood dowel, balsa discs and sticks, and the pushrod tubes are aluminum. Wasn't too concerned about weight since the first one needed some ballast up there anyway, and a Fairchild 71 wouldn't be a Fairchild 71 without that big honkin motor out front.

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dan G. on May 06, 2008, 01:50:14 AM
Wow ... that's dedication to scale and it looks really good.

Something that's really important with towing ... is the location of the towhook. In its proper place, the plane should, upon initial towing, quickly assume a vertical position, offering the greatest towing resistance, the tightest towline, and the slowest towing speed. If the hook is too far rearward, the plane will resist really hard, no matter what you do, until it arcs into the ground hard ... as a kite would with its bridal attachment point too far back. With the hook too far forward -- and it need only be a half-inch too far forward -- and the plane will never go vertical, never offer towing resistance, and you'll never run fast enough to keep it on the line. The successful hook position will not vary by more than, say, an eighth or a quarter of an inch either way, and these measurements are for a large plane like an A-2. It's a challenge to find that position (likely around ten or fifteen degrees ahead of the cg at the wing) but there is no hope until it is found.

That scale glider ... I'd look to slope-soaring with that one, or possibly high-start. The elastic would supply the necessary line tension -- it may not have to be all that high a tension or that fast a speed, but it would have to be constant.

Dan G.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: exupery on May 06, 2008, 09:03:35 AM
DanG: What do you consider a large sailplane? Mine is a Sig Hi Riser and as I recall, has a 78 inch wingspan. The only flight I ever had with it was launching it from about a 20 foot rise in our local park. It responded beautifully to the transmitter and I turned it for a landing before getting into the trees.

Note from Ratz
A new topic regarding launching RC Sailplanes using a Hi-Start has been added here:

http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=440.msg2909#msg2909


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: albackstrom on May 06, 2008, 09:33:08 AM
Dan when you build a model of an AC that has no dihedral and add what looks like about 10 degrees of dihedral it looks semiscale to me. I am not a real purist on such matters but it does depend on how far our of scale it gets.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on May 06, 2008, 01:40:24 PM
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there's no replacement for wing area. I cannot over-exaggerate the difference in ease between towing small and large towliners.

Agree 100% The bigger the better; the old 9-10' lightweights were a delight to tow but, as with all towline gliders. the relation of the hook to CG is important. Adjustable hooks always recommended!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dan G. on May 07, 2008, 12:00:57 AM
Hi exupery ... my only meaningful experience has been with A-1s and A-2s. All my remarks are really extrapolations from those experiences. However, the huge difference in towing performance that I consistently experienced were enough to solidify my convictions.

Your ship sounds A-2 sized, if that the mean chord is at least six inches. If it doesn't weigh any more than, say, sixteen ounces or 450 grams, then try some tows. In the event that your tow-hook is too far back and the plane is in a death dive, try to dump it -- throw the winch at it if you must -- because anything is better than towing it into the ground. If the hook is too far forward, the plane will never rise -- frustrating but safe. Better safe than sorry.

Until you know what your plane feels like on the line, run on safe ground so that you can look at the plane while running, and be prepared to do vigorous changes in speed and even direction. Once you know that your plane tows consistently and you know what it feels like, you can then concentrate more on your surroundings, thermal hunting, plane placement, slow release or bunt, etc..

If you are not too quick on your feet, a stretchy line will help keep the plane on line but will only permit slow releases. Agile flyers would prefer non-stretch lines which provide a more sensitive feel and permit bunting (high speed launch) but require quick response to varying wind speeds to avoid the plane's dropping off the line or folding a wing in a gust.


Yah ... applehoney, my favourite hooks used to come from F.A.I. Supply but they don't make them anymore -- they were infinitely adjustable (sliding on a rail with a grub screw), and it's not been easy finding or creating a satisfactory substitute.

Dan G.

Dan G.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on May 07, 2008, 10:30:27 AM
At risk of moving off-topic, my glider fuselages are balsa boxes rather than tubes so adjustable hooks are simple to make. Both sides of the fuselage base are faced with ply, the hook and blind nuts epoxied to a short strip of hardwood free to slide fore and aft as required - internally the base is supported against owing stress with a former slotted to clear said strip Just a matter of loosening the bolts to re-adjust hook position.

A variant for a tube shouldn't be hard to whip up.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on May 07, 2008, 10:49:15 AM
No worries in going off topic Jim, I'm enjoying this too. 3 1/2 years ago, or whenever it was that I got the bug to start flying airplanes I went to an auction at Red Deer and bought a Sophisticated Lady for $30 and an almost new Hitec Laser 4. Since I was living in Calgary at the time also started going out to the flying field of a Calgary based soaring club. Great guys. It was just circumstances that I didn't get to go out more than a couple of times when the move back to BC came so never got the chance to fly the darn thing and it has sat in the closet ever since, till yesterday. This new flying field and all this talk has got me going on taking the Wolf and the Lady out for some learning experiences, so keep it coming guys. The Wolf will need a tow hook put on it and that should be it.

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: BillB on May 07, 2008, 01:27:30 PM
I've been known to toe launch some of my models with the end of my boot!

Bill.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dan G. on May 07, 2008, 07:28:01 PM
... doesn't sound like too refined a manner ... but what ever works ...

... sorta gives new meaning to flying boots.

Dan G.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on May 07, 2008, 07:34:10 PM
 "sorta gives new meaning to flying boots."

Ah, that's a good one! Still, I'd sure like to see a picture of this, that would be something! Opens up alkl kind of images in the mind.

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slopemeno on August 07, 2008, 10:26:08 AM
That glider is the Bowlus "Paperwing". I have plans for a version of it from MAN back in the 30's.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dave W on August 11, 2008, 11:26:13 AM
Went flying with the Marin Aero Club yesterday & made this video of Tom Whitworth flying his self-designed Ta152:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAqtPcASDB0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAqtPcASDB0)

http://MarinAero.blogspot.com (http://MarinAero.blogspot.com)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bigtom on August 11, 2008, 11:28:35 AM
VERY NICE VIDEO! 8)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Glenn (gravitywell) Reach on August 11, 2008, 01:44:19 PM
That was a very cool video.....I have one suggestion though, the cameraman should run after the ship so we can see it clearly! ;D That plane sure flies well....real nice.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dave W on August 12, 2008, 12:22:56 AM
I'm not much of a runner. I need a video camera with zoom. I'm using a digital camera with a tiny lens.

If you go to YouTube and select "watch in high quality" it helps a little.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: JetPlaneFlyer on August 12, 2008, 01:52:33 AM
That Ta152 goes great... very scale like flight pattern.

Just to prove I do occasionally fly models that are not jet/rocket power here is a flight of my Piper Cub built from the West Wings kit... Sorry about the noise; launch of the model coincided with a low flying full size aircraft passing overhead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtdrLF1dg3U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtdrLF1dg3U)

Steve


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: albackstrom on August 12, 2008, 09:12:07 AM
That is a great video of the Cub, I had pictured you as a true rocketeer, It is good to know of your other talents.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: exupery on August 12, 2008, 09:32:24 AM
I've got the West Wings Cub rubber powered and had some nice flights. It's one of my favorite planes although it mostly hangs from the ceiling. Always good to see yours in flight. Should probably think of building another for electric RC.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on August 12, 2008, 10:07:21 AM
I can see why it's one of your favorites, very nice flight.
Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: JetPlaneFlyer on August 12, 2008, 11:36:57 AM
Thanks guys.
The Cub in my video is powered by a Gasparin GM300 CO2 motor. It goes well, the GM300 is is well suited to the model but the motor does get a little tempermental in cold weather (a problem with CO2 motors in general i think). It makes a relaxing alternative to rocket power.

Steve


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on August 12, 2008, 12:29:16 PM
Very smooth and steady, Steve - nice to watch


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Mike Taylor on August 12, 2008, 12:32:21 PM
JPF,

One of the nicest things about your model in flight is how well it tracks through the turns - an perfect example of a well done coordinated turn. It looks like the one that used to fly out of Santa Paula,, my home airport.

Nice job.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bigtom on August 12, 2008, 12:54:34 PM
BEAUTIFUL!!!
I kind of liked the noise...

Sounded like a JATO takeoff ::)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on August 12, 2008, 05:25:39 PM
Very nice Steve. Didn't realize it was CO2 powered until I read your later note.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: exupery on August 12, 2008, 07:44:05 PM
Steve: Think the cub was RC, right? Must have been cause you made a right turn to land after circling left. What do you have for RC equipment onboard?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: JetPlaneFlyer on August 13, 2008, 01:31:03 AM
Steve: Think the cub was RC, right? Must have been cause you made a right turn to land after circling left. What do you have for RC equipment onboard?

No, it's free flight... The right turn to bring it into the perfect landing approach was a combination of luck and the model being trimmed for left turn under power and right glide.




Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: exupery on August 13, 2008, 09:34:25 AM
Very nice! Sure fooled me.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Black Arrow on August 15, 2008, 09:17:44 PM
really nice videos of a couple of great flights! I love it when they fly like that! Congratulations!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: tobgun on October 03, 2008, 07:09:36 PM
Hello all,

last Saturday I went for a very nice flying session in the evening.

The air was very calm and the planes behaved. Unfortunately it was the last time out for my Stahl Albatros, which did some nice flights on low power and a deadly dive from great altitude after rubber was added.

It is a few meg, you might need a fast connection.

http://www.schauggspace.de/Aircraft/movies/wfsep08.wmv (http://www.schauggspace.de/Aircraft/movies/wfsep08.wmv)

Best Regards

Tobias


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Mike Taylor on October 03, 2008, 09:16:27 PM
Tobias,

Too bad about the Albatros - it looked so nice in the video. The over-flight by the Fokker was great, and that red model (couldn't ID it) really gets with the program! BTW, nice evening sky and video work...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on October 03, 2008, 10:39:41 PM
Nice video. What was the little high winger at the end?

Too bad about the Albatross. You've had that thing for longer than I've had mine. Go build another. No one should be without a good Alby. The D.III's take less time to build since they are slab sided, and they look just as good.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: tobgun on October 04, 2008, 04:24:44 AM
The high winger was the Focke Wulf FW 43 Falke

here is a pic


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: exupery on October 04, 2008, 09:41:14 AM
Nice flights, Tobgun. Looks like a great field to fly from.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: albackstrom on October 04, 2008, 10:13:09 AM
Thanks for the nice Videos Tobias. Sorry to hear about the Albatross, it looked good in the vids anyway.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on October 04, 2008, 10:49:51 AM
Thanks for the videos Tobias. I haven't been out flying for over a month and I'm going through withdrawal, so it was extra nice to see.

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on October 04, 2008, 02:18:17 PM
Y'know, I didn't mention it, but the other day I went out to the farm to make some postal flights, and decided to make an entry for Jim's scale precision event. It was late afternoon, almost dead calm, beautiful cloudless blue sky and unlimited visibility. Just plain a beautiful day, and no sign of thermals. Based on this, I pulled out my Comp Air 7 pnut and made the first flight--85 seconds. Looked good, so time for the next flight. I launched and the model climbed strongly away in fine form. About 50 ft up, it shuddered violently and started up like a rocket. Oops! Well, I started after it, but 8 1/2 minutes later and a half mile away, I lost sight of it as it sank behind a belt of trees. A very wide belt of trees. Found my way around it, but discovered that there was far more open land behind those trees than expected, and no chance of finding the model in deep grass in a field that big. So I believe that's the worst score anyone has ever gotten in a precision event, and it's my second longest pnut scale flight ever. Guess I'll have to build another sometime. That critter cored into thermals better than any other high wing scale ship I've built.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on October 04, 2008, 05:19:16 PM
Sorry to hear of the loss of your airplane, Joshua .. but what a great final flight!

However ...

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Just plain a beautiful day, and no sign of thermals

No sign? Whaddya expect 'em to do, stand up and wave at ya? There are always thermals somewhere around, even at night .... no matter how calm or cool it might be. You should no better by now .... ;)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on October 04, 2008, 06:28:30 PM
All one can say is sorry about that guy but I'm getting jealous of you guys that are getting flying time because i can't get that or even time to finish the builds I started last fall and I'm starting to feel like Doug about the flying time !!
George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dan G. on October 04, 2008, 10:55:37 PM
I wonder if there are rogue thermals ... like there are rogue waves?

Dan G


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on October 04, 2008, 11:11:48 PM
It really was an odd event. The wind was pretty calm, not gusty, and that was an extremely strong thermal for 5:30 in the evening at this time of year. I don't think I've ever before seen a thermal of even half that strength anywhere near that late in the day.

Jim, yea, I would like them to stand up and identify themselves. Would make it much easier for me to stay out of the sink!

Anyhow, had a nice session tonight. 2:57 from ROG by my Gordon Light Zephyr and 4:16 from my LD2W3. both of these flights were after sunset, and based on their consistency from previous evenings, I don't think thermals are to blame for those flight times. Anyhow, LD2W3 has a 3 1/2 minute motor run. Gotta build a 2X upscale of that critter!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on October 05, 2008, 10:28:11 AM
8 1/2 minutes for a half mile is just slightly in excess of 3.5mph .. not exactly calm but a brisk walking pace - though the distance was an estimate of course and people tend to over-estimate such. Whatever .. .a great flight!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on October 05, 2008, 08:18:39 PM
8 1/2 minutes for a half mile is just slightly in excess of 3.5mph .. not exactly calm but a brisk walking pace

Jim, I am known for a very brisk walking pace, and I certainly wasn't keeping up with it even when I broke into a jog.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on October 05, 2008, 08:37:59 PM
So ... it was windier than 3.5 ? Even less calm !!

My average walking pace over measured, timed routes (4-5 miles daily) is 3.93mph. In some ways my heart attack got me much fitter than before I had it! ;D


Title: Re: Went flying/ Joshua
Post by: Jun on October 05, 2008, 11:45:51 PM
Anyhow, had a nice session tonight. 2:57 from ROG by my Gordon Light Zephyr

Hi Joshua,

Is that the model that appears as "Lightweight Zephyr" in the November 2001 Plan Page? Neither the article nor the plan mentions the designer, but it looks like a Gordon Light design.

Regards,

Jun


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on October 06, 2008, 06:58:02 AM
Jim, if felt calm on the ground...obviously wasn't so at altitude.

Jun, yes, that's the one. Now that I look at it, I can't figure out how I determined that it was a Light design. The Sam list backs up this conclusion, though, so that does make me feel a little better.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on October 06, 2008, 10:32:36 AM
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felt calm on the ground...obviously wasn't so at altitude.

Often so - I figured that must have been the situation

However, there are some inconsistencies .... 8.5 minutes and a half mile do not fit together. The time is 'given' subject to a second or two either way but distance an estimate. As a known 'walker' you likely exceed my near 4mph pace (hey, 50 years younger.. so you should!) and part of the time you were jogging so lets guess at - say - 5mph overall? The model was still departing you so we could give that at least another mile an hour over you, maybe more .. but let's say 6mph. Now that would indicate it traveled about 1.17 miles in the flight time .. from the launch point it would have been long out of sight to the eye but you were chasing so it was still visible and you saw it descending. There are still speed variables for you and the model but I would suggest that, distance being deceptive, it's still sitting out there waiting for you but at maybe twice the distance, or more, that you figured it would be. I'd go back and look ..... and the fresh air and exercise is good for you anyway!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on October 06, 2008, 11:20:51 AM
Jim,

 I dunno. There is a massive amount of territory to cover in search of that model, and it's possible that it could have even crossed the second field, in which case it's in a forested area or beyond. I reckon it was still a couple hundred feet up when my eyes refused to focus on it anymore, and it could have either stopped drifting (dropping below the fast moving air layer), or drifted even further. I may go looking for it just for the exercize, since it really is a beautiful place, but there's not much chance of finding a little bitty tan colored airplane in a freshly harvested cornfield.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on October 06, 2008, 05:22:51 PM
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a little bitty tan colored airplane in a freshly harvested cornfield.

Hmm.. not an obvious colour standout.... but at least the corn has been harvested; things could have been worse. if still in air when last seen then it could be even further away than expected.

Whatever the outcome, enjoy the walk..... :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on April 07, 2009, 05:08:59 PM
16c above freezing! Yahoo! Sunny, yahoo! Just a little wind, double Yahoo!! The wind is still causing me some grief, but at least this time I did better and I suppose the more I fly in it the better I'll get at figuring out when to launch, how to launch, and I really do need to start keeping a log book now. With a memory like mine sometimes you don't remember which way a model turns and it gets kinda important. That's from one flight to the next sometimes! ::) Pics from today starting with the Browne. Actually stayed pretty close, but this was also at the beginning when the wind would absolutely die for a few seconds.

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on April 07, 2009, 05:17:44 PM
Also manged to get the Harvard out on a decent enough day, with the camera and all pertinent bits and pieces. This one could be tough to get nice pictures of, it gets up quickly, likes to fly straight for awhile and gets farther away all the time very rarely liking to come back for as long. By this time the wind had picked up a little so those nice return flights were out of the question. Got a couple that are okay, and quite a few of a little yellow dot. Felt good to get out and fly something!

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: BG on April 07, 2009, 11:51:47 PM
Lookin great Hermit.....wish I had time to get out and fly!
B


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on April 08, 2009, 12:33:39 AM
what is that pioneer model that you have there Doug?? The feild you have looks a little unforgiving at the moment with all that dirt.. Nice flight pictures.

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on April 08, 2009, 09:22:11 AM
Matt- it's a fictional design, this little one was sort of a test bed for a bigger one, see Browne Monoplane thread in "Outdoor Free Flight Power Models". And yes the field is pretty dry right now, But there's NO PLANE EATING TREES!

Hey BG- heard you got some more snow recently so you're forgiven. Any more news on the get together? Anything you want me to do?

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on April 08, 2009, 05:11:53 PM
I haven't had chance to post much from the indoor flying meetings I have attended recently.
I thought I would post a couple of interesting flying shots - both of these models drew quite a lot of attention.

1) Rob Smith travelled with me to the Impington indoor meeting in the UK. He took this catapult rig with him to try launching only of the Hurricane shown. The model itself was really an outdoor model so Rob only gave it a few winds. The catapult worked a treat though and I look forward to seeing it work outdoors.

1) At the Nottingham Club indoor meeting Richard Granger brought this model along. It used a large 'Happy Birthday' helium balloon and the body was ballasted so that it was in a state of 'zero sink'. The CO2 motor was virtually idling, enabling the model to purr around the hall for ages - there was something really entrancing about this model.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on April 19, 2009, 06:28:56 PM
After a week of not so nice weather, this morning dawned beautifully with very little wind and a sky full of sunshine! Packed up a few models and headed to the "big field". The little Browne flew very well and got some serious altitude this time around, enough that once the prop quit it took a good 20 seconds to come down. I'm certainly not used to seeing that with any of my other ones. I didn't bother to take pics as it's tough to get much except sky with it flying away all the time.

The Fokker flew well, again, seems to always put up some decent flights even with the trim not quite right, think it's got too much right thrust so that will get looked at before it's next excursion. I'd recommend this plan to anybody!

Sorry for the shots showing such tiny little airplanes, still not used to all this Alberta air, including a constant breeze of some kind which means they tend to get farther away than they ever did in BC! Almost lost the Browne once, it got so far away, is a very small brown thing that hides very well in brown prairie grass.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on April 19, 2009, 06:36:06 PM
The other one I took pics of was "Fuzzy". I had reworked a little more dihedral into it, took all the tabs off including the big tail extension one and wanted to see how it behaved now. Much better! Easier to get a controlled turn, much better stability, so for anyone that builds one, now you know. Next I want to try a bigger 2 blade prop and see if the flight duration can break a minute.

Hermit


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on April 19, 2009, 06:38:16 PM
Nice work Hermit. Love that "head on" shot of the beaver. That field looks a little unforgiving for those unexpected hard landings.

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on April 19, 2009, 06:49:06 PM
It's not a nicely groomed sod farm for sure! Funny though, I've had a couple wing in pretty good with a sudden breeze, but with no or little damage, so it must have some give to it. There are a few pretty hard "stalks" sticking up that have skewered the odd one. Could be worse, haven't seen any cactus yet!

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on April 19, 2009, 09:34:35 PM
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Could be worse, haven't seen any cactus yet!

Cactus! imagine a plane plowing into a cactus!

We had to dodge Bicycle's yesterday when we went flying. They had some EVENT on for bikes. Meanwhile Dad, Craig and I were right in the middle of them flying our planes... Hoped they liked watching them.

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on April 25, 2009, 05:38:01 PM
I spent yesterday dragging a couple of old ones out of their shipping boxes and doing whatever repairs they needed from "box rash", the Thermal Chaser and the Fairchild 71. Both fared pretty well and not much was needed, so got them out to the big field after a few gentle trimming sessions in the little one. Both flew very well and seem to like the big field much better than the schoolyard in PG and next time out the Thermal Chaser especially will get a longer motor. Today the short one was just fine as a slight breeze was up and even walking 60 yards upwind to launch, it managed to over fly the stooge area by another 60 yards! Sure not used to this chase stuff but at least there's no trees! Didn't try much else with the breeze picking up, so trundled off home to grab something else that likes wind. That being the Soph Lady and headed for a gentle slope that's accessible. Of course the wind died down by the time I got there! Put in a few flights and managed a pretty good one (for a rookie) when the wind did pick up for a few minutes, but most ended in a jaunt down the hill to retrieve it, so packed that one up too. Good practice though and now I know a little more about how strong a wind it should be flown in. Pics of the Thermal Chaser.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: exupery on April 28, 2009, 10:42:04 AM
That's really up there, Doug. But those wires look pretty scary!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hermit on April 28, 2009, 09:51:21 PM
Hey Ed, good to hear from you! Not to worry about the wires too much, it's a HUGE field and they were still another 50 yards away. I just have to get used to the wind here and walk a little farther before launching this one. I have a feeling that on a hot,sunny day it would clear the wires without any trouble and then there's 2 miles of open prairie for a nice long hike.

Doug


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: glidermaster on August 20, 2009, 04:02:50 PM
No pictures just a bit of a story;

I went out on Monday night to a new field I get occasional access to, and flew a Coupe. A beautiful summer night, but the drift caught me by surprise, as it seemed to be to the North West when I launched, but by about 20' the model was off due North, about 45 degs off course - over a farm building, and dicing with a line of pine trees. It made it round the trees, gliding over a corn field the other side of the trees, and landing therein.

The corn is about 9' high, and I managed one pass through the field carefully picking my way through to avoid any damage to the corn (not that hard, really). No luck, and it was getting dark. Out again the next evening I applied a little science and came up with a Plan A search plan. Part way through my first pass through the field I made up my mind that Plan A was wrong, and made several fruitless passes through the field until dark came again. Wednesday night out again, and I lucked out, finding the model directly on my (Tuesday) Plan A search path.

Lessons;
a) Radio trackers would be nice.
b) Stick to Plan A.
c) Pick a more conservative launch point, even if it does mean more walking from the car.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: jhnwdwrd on August 22, 2009, 06:24:10 PM
Hi All,
A Guillows 500 series FW-190, #7 Grms, Two loops or 1/8 rubber eighteen inches long,7"Peck prop,800 turns.The plane took off like a bullit. Every time it tried to turn a light breeze. To make a long story longer (LOL) It clearerd 50 to 60 foot trees and kept going north.Didn't even get to take a picture of it! Man I love (hate) this hobby.

Thanks to everyone for all the info I have learned.

PS A lighter one is already in the works. Thanks Again


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on September 05, 2009, 06:35:15 AM
a few vids of the latest indoor session at brisbane. One is of my Peanut CII knoller, and the other is of dad and his Frog model.

knoller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc1RZTz0sM8

be careful what you say..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkQ3yL3yyDA

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on September 05, 2009, 08:15:34 AM
Great vids! Were you able to get it down? The CII did a nice strafing run on the cameraman - no damage, I hope.

Pete


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on September 05, 2009, 06:45:24 PM
Great vids! Were you able to get it down? The CII did a nice strafing run on the cameraman - no damage, I hope.

Pete

all the planes lived to fly another day...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ArneH on January 24, 2010, 03:17:06 PM
Went flying. And what happened??

This Weekend my boys and I went flying with the New Built Coupe. We had some very fine glide test after adding more weight in the nose. Model flying is a great hobby, but sometime a little frustrating. Here is what happened when my oldest son winded the motor up 250 rounds. SNAP!!!

I wonder why the rubber broke? A new, well silicone lubed motor 1/8 from Peck Polymer carefully winded by hand. Is it possible that the cold and damp weather has something to do with it? Or have I done something wrong? OK, we had some fine flights, and a lot of fresh air. And building and flying is a great father and son project. And I am sure that we can learn a lot in the art of rubber power as we struggle to get it right. ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: BG on January 24, 2010, 04:52:00 PM
Arne,

To evaluate the situation we need to know what rubber, how many strands, and the motor length. My suspicion is that the combination of not stretch winding and the cold is the culprit. If this is the cheaper chinese rubber then that is part of the problem too.

Bernard


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ArneH on January 24, 2010, 05:57:55 PM
Arne,
To evaluate the situation we need to know what rubber, how many strands, and the motor length. My suspicion is that the combination of not stretch winding and the cold is the culprit. If this is the cheaper chinese rubber then that is part of the problem too.

The motor was a 13" 8 strand Super Sport Rubber 1/8 Peck Polymer. PA082S Made in the USA. Bought from Tower Hobby in December. I have thought about it, and think not stretch winding was the problem. I must find a winder as soon as possible. Not easy here, so I have to go internet shopping again, and wait. Maybe I can use a hand drill while I am waiting? And with the next motor, I will perform stretch wind testing before we go to the field. It was not so cold here today -5 C, (23 F). Maybe too cold for my rubber. ???


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on January 24, 2010, 06:36:59 PM
Could be worse, haven't seen any cactus yet!

Doug, Nice looking airplane. BTW, I can arrange to send you some cactus to plant for your airplane to find. ;D

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on January 24, 2010, 06:47:11 PM
Again, a little late here. Matt, very nice looking bipe you flew indoors. I had a chuckle on the second viddie. Your father excited it had missed things, only to get back at him and find the net. Really looks like a lot of fun.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on January 24, 2010, 07:34:32 PM
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Maybe I can use a hand drill while I am waiting?

Arne, do NOT rely on the drill chuck to securely hold your winding hook. It won't ... and the airplane will suffer severely. The safest method is to remove the chuck entirely and drill the shaft to take a well secured hook.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Graiskye on January 24, 2010, 11:35:50 PM
Arne If you do as Jim suggests and drill through the chuck shaft, take the chuck right off the drill and set aside, if you are careful drilling, and don't mar the threads too badly you can still use your drill. Drill a hole right thru the shaft and string a piece of 1/16" or better music wire thru hole, and fashion a winding hook. The way that rubber broke tells me it was over wound too tight, it should never snap all the strands at once, your son must be very strong.

Get a winder and learn about gentle stretch winding and go from there, your coupe will be flying souper soon.
-G.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ArneH on January 25, 2010, 02:59:49 AM
Your son must be very strong. Get a winder and learn about gentle stretch winding and go from there, your coupe will be flying souper soon.
-G.

Thanks everybody. Yes, my boy is a big strong young man. ;D And I will order a winder today. Lot of things to learn, but that is what makes this sport so interesting.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Tapio Linkosalo on January 25, 2010, 03:21:01 AM
Here is what happened when my oldest son winded the motor up 250 rounds. SNAP!!!

I wonder why the rubber broke? A new, well silicone lubed motor 1/8 from Peck Polymer carefully winded by hand. Is it possible that the cold and damp weather has something to do with it?

I'm not quite sure that it is the cold. I went flying both Saturday and Sunday (sorry was too busy with my F1B's and F1A that I did not have any time to take pics). Yesterday (Sunday) it was -22C in the morning, and the temperature rose to a palmy -18C in the afternoon. Surprisingly I found myself winding my F1B motors to a full torque, the same as in the summer, with no ill effects. When I started the flying season a few weeks ago I broke one motor in a similar fashion, at about 2/3 of max turns and torque, and was a bit wary after that, but it seems that at least the 2009 batches of rubber (was using Jan09 yesterday) actually seem to take the cold pretty well, even the climb altitude was surprisingly good in such cold weather.

You seem to have quite modest amounts of snow in Norway? That would be good, considering that the Holiday on Ice -contest is quite soon now, six weeks or so....


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ArneH on January 25, 2010, 03:29:23 AM
Yes we have a real winter here in Norway now. Great outdoor life, and happy kids. And there are not so many Cactus damages here, Crash Caley ;D. But the ice can be very hard to a tough landing. The frozen sea and lakes are great air fields. Now it is time to look for a winder, and build a winding stooge that can be used in the snow and ice.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on January 25, 2010, 06:24:44 AM
Snow has come to my area of Germany again. The first time with this much since 1987 and it actually stayed for almost two weeks! Last Thursday, a thaw set in with the temp getting up to +5° C (41 F), melting almost all the snow, so I grabbed an hour to fly my electric sailplane and my Katzen gliders. Nothing spectacular, just one heck of a LOT of fun! The RC guiders who showed up were freezing, but I stayed comfy warm chasing my kitties ;D.

I was hoping to go out again Sunday, but as I was getting ready, I noticed that it had started to snow again ???. Checked the temp - 5° C MINUS (23F) :o. Discretion being the better part of valor ;), I stayed home and built a new catapult jet based on the Suchoi Su-24 "Fencer". As of this morning, we have 3 inches of new powder snow :P.

Pete


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Hepcat on January 25, 2010, 12:47:37 PM
ArneH

I agree with the earlier suggestions that lack of stretch winding was the major cause of the rubber failure, I think it is also probable that a bunch built up somewhere near the centre of the fuselage and probably locked up on the fuselage structure which means that turns are then added only to the front part of the motor.

However I mainly wanted to add a word about winders because you still seem inclined towards buying a special one. I have been flying rubber for over 70 years and have always used a hand drill as a winder and, looking around on the English flying fields, I would reckon that about 90% of the flyers do the same. There is a reason for this; a hand drill probably costs about five pounds in English money but to get a special winder that can do the job as well as a hand drill you probably have to pay at least ten times as much.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ArneH on January 25, 2010, 01:19:47 PM
Thank You John. Vise words from a man with long expression. I have looked at some hand drills. and see that there is possible to convert them to safe winders for rubber. But, when using a drill/winder, I must always have a flight assistant or a stooge. Now I am trying to find a safe way to wind when I am alone in the snow cowered fields. Any smart techniques or gems?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on January 25, 2010, 01:51:41 PM
A stooge can be very easily built from scrap plywood and a piece of particle board or any small block of wood. The first one that I made was overkill for the planes that I generally fly and is designed to be clamped onto any available flat surface. There are also two holes drilled into the base to take long pegs/nails to be driven into the ground, fencepost, or tree ::) if a table or car is not handy. There is also provision to slot onto the car window (rolled up to lock in place). Link to a pic below.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn194/staubkorb/SoFiA%20and%20Cloud%20Tramp/Bild006.jpg


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Tapio Linkosalo on January 25, 2010, 02:00:22 PM
However I mainly wanted to add a word about winders because you still seem inclined towards buying a special one. I have been flying rubber for over 70 years and have always used a hand drill as a winder and, looking around on the English flying fields, I would reckon that about 90% of the flyers do the same. There is a reason for this; a hand drill probably costs about five pounds in English money but to get a special winder that can do the job as well as a hand drill you probably have to pay at least ten times as much.

Hand drills often make good winders, but one should take a look at the bearing of the main axis. Some drills only have a push bearing (needed for the drill usage), and these do not work as well for rubber winding, where the force is pulling the chuck out.

Also, if using a drill, one should use a hook that cannot be pulled out of the chuck. A small bend at the end of the of the wire going into the chuck prevents the wire from being pulled out, or the hook can be made of a nail, inserted so that the flat part of the nail goes into the chuck behind the claws, thus making it sure that the hook is not pulled out even if the chuck gets little loose....


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ArneH on January 25, 2010, 02:03:27 PM
Thank You Pit and Tapio. Got some ideas now. ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on January 25, 2010, 02:47:04 PM
Arne, You are getting great advice. My experience with rubber is somewhat similar to what you've had, though I had started with stretch winding with a winder. But I never seemed to get the number of winds on a motor that others got. Reason wasn't my rubber or winder. It was improper lubrication first, and most importantly not stretching the motor fully before winding. You can ask the experts here on just how to stretch, wind and everything right here. I know my change in how I'm winding has made a lot of difference on how my models are flying now, very much better and longer. Look forward to hearing your adventures in rubber power.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ArneH on January 25, 2010, 05:12:12 PM
High Performance Rubber is quite new for me. You are right Caley it is an Adventure, and very exiting for me and my boys. ;D I have used this evening building a simple stooge. And I will fly again one of these days. And I think things will go better thanks to all the great advice. I think that I am nearly alone building and flying rubber here up North. ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on January 25, 2010, 07:15:00 PM
Arne, You'll find someone nearby that will catch the bug, if you fly enough, and encourage others to maybe launch a model of yours or two. Just seeing how well these rubber powered models fly can be a surprise to many, who thought of them as low tech, poor flying toys.

Glad you're building one of those tools you absolutely need to wind up a motor, a stooge. It is essential unless you have someone that really knows how to hold a model while you are winding. Jim (Applehoney) has his partner (Janet, his wife) hold a model on occasions while he winds. Holding one is an art unto itself.

Another thing you need to make or find, are what are called blast tubes. These are just tubes made from plastic, fiberglass, metal or whatever is strong that you slip into your model when winding your motor. It helps to protect your models fuselage from destruction, in case the motor should blow, as happened with you. In addition to that tube, you need some way of guiding that motor through the tube. A wire with a hook on one end and a loop for the winder to hook onto on the other end is what I see many flyer use. Again, Applehoney can show and describe it better than myself. He also can provide, or any other of those who've given you advice, other items that might be nice to have to aid you in getting your model ready to fly. I'll let their experience talk. They know a lot more than I do.

Ask lots of questions here. You'll find everyone here will provide wonderful advice to help you out.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ArneH on January 26, 2010, 04:12:09 AM
This Forum is a gold mine for us. Lot of experience and interesting topics. I tried to construct a blast tube, thinking hard to find out how to release it from a plane. My late Father who worked as a mechanic instructor in the Norwegian Air Force dealing with high-tech built some great rubber power in the golden days. They where truly advanced model planes, so maybe it is in the genes. ;D

We are also working with a little self constructed micro RC electric power model to my youngest boy, using the hardware from a rather disappointing small RTF Cub. This is a fun project we play with. To learn more about rubber power I have decided to invest in the book Rubber Power Airplanes, by Don Ross. Love to read, and I have heard that this book is a good one. Hope to post some flight reports in this topic, when I am finish with the repair job.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Tapio Linkosalo on March 01, 2010, 03:51:35 AM
We were supposed to have the second contest for the Finnish Champs on Saturday. After about 6 weeks of freezing conditions and lots of snow, it turned milder, with the thermometer slightly above 0°C. The day before the contest it even rained, which nicely compacted the snow, so conditions on the frozen lake were manageable. On skis, it was a breeze to move (retrieve), and a number of guys used snow scooters.

Unfortunately, the wet snow and mild conditions meant fog. Not too bad horizontally, but looking upwards the visibility was seriously reduced above some 60-70 meters. So if you got into thermal, you climbed into the fog. No go. After 1 1/2 days of waiting (and trimming) we had to cancel the contest.

On two test flights I put on the DV camera to my F1A. Also had the altitude logger on board. Unfortunately the visibility is not too good, and the camera is pointing a little too much downwards, so for most of the flight you can see only the smooth snow... A couple of highlights: Start at 1:10 into the video (you can see the flag of the line drop off the model). The bunt is not too good, as in the 4 to 5 m/s wind my towing is not yet that hot - the model bunts over, and from the altitude logging you can see that it climbs to 70 meters but then dives and settles to 65. Embarrassing. At 1:56 you can see the model fly over an area, where there is water on the ice, under the snow, and the snow scooter tracks are clearly visible. A few seconds later, the model flies first time into strong lift (the logger shows up to 2m/s climb), first the lift tilts the model to the left, but then it gets better into the lift, banking strongly to the right in a climbing turn. 15 seconds later the same thing again. Then the model was far enough, so I thought it was time to push the RDT button...

The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaKsjxeCWws


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Tapio Linkosalo on March 08, 2010, 01:25:00 PM
We had the Finnish World Cup, "Bear Cup" last Saturday, in perfect conditions as long as weather is concerned. Flat calm most of the day, starting at -15C in the morning but pretty soon getting to -5C. The snow, however, had a hard crust on it due to past weekends rain, and following frost, and this was not strong enough to walk on, but made towing a bit difficult.

Anyway, the same fine and sunny weather went on til Sunday, when I took the change to give my DV camera a flight aboard my still-weather F1B. The camera was at the back of the pylon, it seems to have moved the CG a little bit aft, which made the flight a bit on the sensitive side, even made the model stall slightly occasionally, and probably is the reason for the tight turn at times. Without the camera, with the same trims, the model had quite open glide turn. The camera also seems to drop the glide performance a little, as this flight was just slightly over 3 mins (DT*d at 3 min with less than 10 meters altitude), on the previous days contest I had made, with the same model 5'+ and 4'14" flights.

The vid is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEOMf3YexFg

The attached pic shows the camera on top of the pylon.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on March 08, 2010, 02:37:14 PM
Tapio, Wonderful that you and your friends had a chance to fly in nice calm conditions. Not sure I would be hardy enough in the temperatures that you endured. I really enjoy your videos. Never knew the camera was so bulky. Guess that causes some drag that you mentioned that made the tighter turns.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on March 18, 2010, 06:41:15 PM
Had a nice outing today - warm enough to not need a jacket. Even tho it was a bit breezy, I flew my Born Loser, "Let it Roll" and the standard "Kitty Katze" catapult gliders. I had planned on a major video production, but the batteries only lasted long enough for the one short test hop with the BL. The 2 follow-up flights on 300 and 450 winds were very pleasing - this time I remembered to un-double the rubber (now one loop, 22" long, 1/8th - good for 2000 turns). Quit flying the BL 'cause the wind was too tricky. Continued with the gliders till dark.

http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn194/staubkorb/Rubber%20powered%20Fun%20Planes/Embryo%20Class/?action=view&current=BornLoser_1.flv


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on March 31, 2010, 03:47:38 PM
The second trim session with the "Born Loser". Other than a few lousy launches on not enough winds, the final with 45% turns was a winner.

http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn194/staubkorb/Rubber%20powered%20Fun%20Planes/Embryo%20Class/?action=view&current=BornLoser_2.flv

The right turn tightens up as the turns run down, so there is probably a bit of right rudder or a small warp that I missed.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on April 10, 2010, 10:45:38 PM
Went flying a few weeks back and I took my favourite plane with me. This model is fantastic. It climbs really well and looks a treat in the air. A braided motor really does it a service, and I am only running a length of 1/4" for both motors. I need to get 2000 turns into it and then she will regularly fly for longer than 1 minute in no lift. Not much of a glide but that is fine with me. Those two big props add a little bit of drag.

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Tapio Linkosalo on April 19, 2010, 02:53:47 AM
We had an indoor session last night, and as a preparation for the F1D World Champs in August, took my first attempt of steering a model with a balloon. Out of curiosity I taped a keychain camera to the balloon to see how it looks from above. Unfortunately the camera was quite free to swivel, so the vid quality is not too good. Next time I need to tape the camera to the balloon itself, instead of the steering rod....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4odO3UyEEuE


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on April 19, 2010, 08:43:41 AM
Here are a couple of videos that I took this last weekend of test flights with the "Born Loser" (Tick Tock) and my version of Bill Brown's "Bug-Ami". Of note is the marked difference in performance between Sig 1/8th and 1/8th Tan II in the flight of the BL - the vid states that BOTH flights were with 400 turns, but the first one was 1000 (Sig rubber).

http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn194/staubkorb/Rubber%20powered%20Fun%20Planes/Embryo%20Class/?action=view&current=MoreBornLoser.flv

The rather large, wide bladed prop causes the model to tighten up the turn when it goes into the freewheel mode, that I partially alleviated with a rudder tab on following flights, but still needs a bit more adjustment.

The "Bug-Ami" needed a lot more downthrust than what I had built into it. The glide was good from the start. After a collision with my chest on Sunday, popping the nose block, the on-field repair provided the final flea's whisker of down and right to turn this very unusual model into a great flyer. The flight, where I lost it in the viewfinder, got up to about 50 meters and made it almost to the trees - thought it was gone.

http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn194/staubkorb/Rubber%20powered%20Fun%20Planes/?action=view&current=BugFlights.flv

The rather frustrating day (over 20 RC flyers showed up) was saved by the great weather and good flights of all the FF models I had brought with me (including the whole Katze family ;D)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on April 19, 2010, 08:54:35 AM
Nice work Pitman! It looks so good flying. Really reminds me of star trek! Haven't seen you on Skype lately?

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on April 19, 2010, 09:07:45 AM
Nice work Pitman! It looks so good flying. Really reminds me of star trek! Haven't seen you on Skype lately?
Not lately. Have had the 'puter on, but too busy with other activities - trying to complete two models for OPENSCALE and trying to figure out a means to afford the trip :-\.

I must have put at LEAST ten flights on the "Bug" yesterday once it was ironed out. I'm GOING to build all of Bill's weird ones as a result of this success! Hope to start the HOBBIT soon, for starters (it's HUGE :o).


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: thymekiller on April 19, 2010, 04:26:55 PM
Excellent !! You sure do good work. Looks like a great field to fly in.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on April 19, 2010, 05:48:50 PM
Number one grandson flying his Linnet. He has to work on his release, but not bad for a 3 year old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqMWHsN5Rb4


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on April 19, 2010, 05:57:21 PM
Don, I wish I could have been there. I would've been jumping up and down, and applauding. Way to go little guy!

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on April 19, 2010, 06:13:16 PM
Really great, Don! I hope someone got a shot of his face as the Linnet climbed up and away!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on April 19, 2010, 09:21:43 PM
Thanks Pete, Caley. He gets really excited when we go to the park to fly. We practiced in the back yard gliding his airplane before going to the park.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on April 19, 2010, 09:32:48 PM
Way to go Donny, he has a good arm!

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ArneH on April 20, 2010, 05:14:18 AM
Number one grandson flying his Linnet. He has to work on his release, but not bad for a 3 year old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqMWHsN5Rb4

It's nice that you provide for new recruits to our Hobby. Thank you for sharing this. ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: malc on April 20, 2010, 06:50:37 AM
A fetchermite in the making!

M.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on April 20, 2010, 11:42:28 AM
Thanks guys. He does have quite an interest in airplanes that fly so hopefully a future free flight recruit. You're right Matt, he does have a good arm. When we were practicing the glide in the back yard he almost got the toss right. When we got to the field, all he wanted to do was throw the 'heater'.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on April 21, 2010, 02:19:53 AM
Hi All,

One other vid of grandson throwing the 'heater'. I post this only to show that if you get the glide right, the model should fly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt2nOMAvEAI


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on April 21, 2010, 07:13:50 AM
Don, That film is a treasure, especially the last part with the kids running after the airplane. Thanks for sharing.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Olbill on April 26, 2010, 02:18:26 PM
Jeff Hood pictures from Kent. Lots of excellent photos here!

http://picasaweb.google.com/jeffrey.hood/Kent2010#


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on April 27, 2010, 07:13:27 PM
Don

That's great guy, let's hope he stays interested in the hobby when he gets older!!!!

Thank you for a great pick me up !!!!!!

george


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on April 29, 2010, 12:20:36 AM
Hi George,

I also hopes he stays interested in the hobby as he get older. Right now he'll 'fly' his Linnet all day, given the chance.

Don


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on April 29, 2010, 09:43:42 AM
Don, It sure looks like he's got the proper holding technique, as shown in the photo. He's a natural. What's next on the building schedule for him? Sure look forward to hearing about his building and flying.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on April 29, 2010, 01:37:25 PM
Hi Caley,

Probably a thermal dart or something like that. I've got some orange Esaki looking for a good airplane.

Don


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on April 29, 2010, 01:42:59 PM
That's a good model. Pretty easy for him to build with some help. Look forward to seeing him hunched over the building board.  :)

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on May 04, 2010, 04:55:57 PM
Caley

That hunched over stuff is not good for a persons back. I prefer to stand straight at a chest high or a little lower bench or sit on a chair and work at a normal desk height. Of course that is just my weird way of doing things I guess?

Back to the subject of the little guy. He does look like a natural rubber plane pitcher - oops launcher that is!

Any more pics of the day Don?

George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on May 04, 2010, 05:17:07 PM
Hi George, Twas a little figure of speech, not to be taken literally. Yes, sitting straight, or standing is the best way.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Sky9pilot on May 26, 2010, 05:25:40 PM
Great stuff on this site...

Don... your munchkin is doing great... got two of my own and they serve as retrieval team and launch their own $1 hand launched gliders in the front yard... hope to take them to the park to fly the cat launched Ohka gliders soon inspired by Marcelo and his cubs. Check their site.

Regards to all,
Sky9pilot
Tom


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hklam on June 09, 2010, 12:08:12 AM
This is my first post on this fine thread. Went flying lately in the late evenings flying my Peanuts A6M2 Zero and P51D Mustang. Following are some videos of them flying and also some still pictures of them flying below.

First are two videos of the Peanut Zero flying outdoor taken using my handphone without any zoom function. 1st flight was easily 50+ seconds and the second longer flight was timed at close to 1 minute mark. All these were taken in the late evening when the sun was about to set. With some early morning or midday thermals, the flights should be much longer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNLgctrRC_w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXQlxASOBdU

Next are 2 videos taken yesterday evening of the Peanut P51D Mustang using my new videocam.

The 1st video is a low flyby for the videocam (manned by wife), and you can see it zooming close by like a pylon racer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-1Fhs0K9sg

The 2nd video is a 50+ seconds flight high-up in the sky, and coincidentally you can see a bird flying after it, quite amusing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDt-lB7vW50

hklam


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on June 09, 2010, 12:15:09 AM
Great stuff Hklam, I am really jealous of your flight times.

regards
matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hklam on June 09, 2010, 01:27:13 AM
Thanks Matt for the thumbs up. I've seen your fine models flying very well outdoors. Not forgetting some of your smaller indoor scaled ones flying continuously as if they were on rails and not willing to land.

hklam


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: exupery on June 09, 2010, 09:28:49 AM
Hi All,

One other vid of grandson throwing the 'heater'. I post this only to show that if you get the glide right, the model should fly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt2nOMAvEAI

Hi Don. Been some time since I have posted anything but I just wanted to say how great your video was. Reminds me of my own grandson (about 12 years ago) and the time he said his first recognizable words to me. Had shown him the planes hanging overhead in my study and a few hours later when we were downstairs he took my hand (or finger) with a firm grasp and said, "ets go. uptairs. see panes".

Looks like it was a close call whether your plane would get airborne or just bite the grass. Must have great inherent stability cause the resultant flight was perfect!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Alvaro Sala on June 09, 2010, 11:38:32 AM
Two kids with their models (Fernando 33 yo and Alvaro 53 yo), past Sunday at Parque Villa-Lobos, São Paulo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c58amAbOMNA&playnext_from=TL&videos=T9ySZvYsbFw


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Mooney on June 09, 2010, 12:08:56 PM
Great stuff, Alvaro! I just subscribed.



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on June 09, 2010, 12:56:31 PM
Hi Ex,

Great to hear from you again! I suspect that wanting to go flying with grand dad's must be a universal thing for little guys and girls. The Linnet is quite a good flyer and seems to like recovering from unusual launches. About the only thing it doesn't like is too much wind.

Do you have anything on your building board?

Don


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: exupery on June 09, 2010, 03:50:23 PM
Hi Ex,

Great to hear from you again! I suspect that wanting to go flying with grand dad's must be a universal thing for little guys and girls. The Linnet is quite a good flyer and seems to like recovering from unusual launches. About the only thing it doesn't like is too much wind.

Do you have anything on your building board?

Don, I can't even see my building board! One of these days I will clear things out and get back down in the basement to spend a few quiet hours building. I have around 4 Dumas kits I bought at a great discount some time ago and should really start on one of them soon.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on June 09, 2010, 04:44:47 PM
hklam, Those are very nice looking models. Great flights.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hklam on June 09, 2010, 10:42:13 PM
hklam, Those are very nice looking models. Great flights.

Thanks Caley! These peanuts are real good fliers once trimmed. In fact I have started on a peanut sized Spitfire to keep them company, based on reduced Comet Spitfire plan.

hklam


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on June 09, 2010, 10:56:55 PM
hklam, I've always been awed by people who can build pistachio and peanut sized models. I sometimes wonder how you see all the little parts and how you can notch them so perfectly, and join all the wood in such tight joints. Do you just use your eyes, or do you use magnification when doing this work? I look forward to other models you build.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hklam on June 10, 2010, 12:14:07 AM
Caley, I build most of my models without any form of magnification. Not yet for the moment, but I could sense that my sights are slowly deteriorating as age is catching up although I'm only 40 this year. Nothing to worry though as long as the heart is willing anything is possible. My current peanuts are basic scale models with minimal detailing - k.i.s.s

I've seen even better craftsmanship as far as attention to details are concerned from a lot of talented modellers and masters here, something that I can only dream of achieving.

hklam


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on June 11, 2010, 04:45:40 PM
The first thing is get them to fly and along the way have fun! Great planes and flights!

George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Tapio Linkosalo on June 18, 2010, 03:19:35 AM
Had a glider session yesterday. We went to a local small airstrip, a tad too small, but it is about the only place where you can fly now, when the lakes are not frozen anymore (have not been that since April fools day...), and cereals are rising in the agricultural fields. Even this place had some fields around, so had to keep the DT times short. Yet a few flights went too far, please do not tell the farmer...

First took out my CLG. First launch, went up, flipped over and dived right in. Into the plowed field next to the airstrip, and the carbon rod at the LE of one wing tore away. Ouch. That did not prevent any further flying, but of course my model does not look so nice any more. Have to glue another strip on, and reinforce all the leading edges with a strip of polyspan going around the LE and locking the carbon in place. Anyway, I opened the incidence adjusting screw a bit, and got a safe, if a bit loopy launch next. On the following flights I ended up turning the screw almost all back in, so it seems that the adjustment between not-loopiness and sufficient stability is quite small. Best flights (with Tan SS rubber bungee) where around 40 secs, from maybe 15 to 20 m altitude. The model is still a bit loopy, going over at the top and diving sligthly before settling to glide, and it never did a single stall, so I think I have a bit too much nose weight for it. The glide was quite nice and flat, though. The attached pic shows the beaten LE of the model.

Inbetween the CLG flights I tested the towing of my F1H. The fuselage is old: it started flight as my first bunter, first with a mechanical timer. Since then, it has seen all the development of electronic timers, the current version is third I think, also it is sporting it's fifth wing now. All the time, the handling of the model has been improving, and now it seems that I can manage kiting this model. Yesterday the wind was a little too light for kiting, I had to pull in the towline a little while keeping the model upwing, then glide it trough a circle to feed out the towline again, and start all over. But most of all, the model is stable, it can veer quite far to either side, and it still turns upwind, so there is no need to make any panic circles. Yesterday I tried using thicker towlines, to make the kiting easier. While I normally use 40 to 60lb line for F1H, I now tried first 90lb light-wind F1A line, and then even 200lb medium F1A line. In the 4m/s wind, even the latter worked just fine, and probably helped to ease the handling of the model. It also probably robbed some launch altitude due to the added drag, but then again, in higher winds I gather that it is more important to have the model totally under control all times and be able to launch right at the core of the thermal, instead of gaining a few more meters of launch height, but in a sink. There is a video of one F1H flight at my YouTube page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unf6WKywRZo Not too fancy, but mostly shows how much tweaking and pulling the towing takes, even in the light winds towards the evening.

Finally I also took out my F1A (Baby AL designed by Lee Hines and built by Vasi B.). I have two of these models, one is working fine, the other is giving me head-aches: it tows OK, but when I accelerate for the launch, it veers sharp to the right. I had tried to fix some potentially broken riblets in the wing, but this did not help. My mate Petri suggested adding a stripe of uni-directional carbon along the top and bottom center section D-box to stiffen those, as it seems (and sounds) like the D-box is bucking under load, and possibly a stiffer D-box would prevent the wing from giving away. So I'll have to try that next. Hopefully I get the problem solved before the Swedish Glider Weekend just two weeks away. In Rinkaby, southern Sweden. Two World Cups in F1A, plus smaller contests in F1H and CLG. Should be fun!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: High Point on June 19, 2010, 10:05:28 PM
Very neat! Pretty windy up there. Thanks for the post.

Curtis Jarrett
Corpus Christi, Texas


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on June 30, 2010, 07:13:17 AM
We have had some excellent flying weather here in north Delaware. The days are stiflingly hot with wind, like convection in an oven, but the evenings have been flat calm. I got out every night and have been having a ball with my Miss America P-51 peanut. I had my Quick Build challenge Andresson peanut out too and had spectacular flights with that as well. I broke the 1/8 Tan motor, and had to settle for what I had in my flight box which was a 16 in loop of 3/16" tan. She handled the power quite well and I had some long quite high flights of about a minute. I was surprised she handled all that power as well as she did. She tore around in really nice wide circles, then cruised to about 60-70 feet in the dusk it was quite a pretty sight, and I had some soccer guys give up the ball and lay on their back just watching the flying. Fun nite!

I am quite grateful for it.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on July 02, 2010, 08:38:46 AM
I have flown plenty of low wingers but the P-51 has always been the most obstinate $%#@ pain in the "A" to deal with. I know Josh and the Guru and others talk about what a cream cake it is, but I have had nothing but bad times with it... till this past week. I couldn't get too many good shots of the BA-4 cuz it is a skyrocket. Too small in the frame to see. The Miss America just doesn't seem to want to stop flying. The last frame is a shot my daughter took as it made one of several shoe string low passes on its way to find a suitable landing strip. The plans for these two are available from Peck Polymers... I usually refrain from using kit wood. I like to build from scratch. This is my second BA-4 and about my 10th P-51. Both are good time planes, and I would suggest them to any beginner provided they don't have a psychotic head trip over the P-51!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on July 02, 2010, 11:17:41 AM
Crabby, Wonderful! Happy you've got some nice weather to fly in. The Mustang sure looks great in the air. Sure glad you finally tamed one. That is one of my favourite all time colour schemes for the Mustang.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on July 04, 2010, 05:33:09 PM
Here are a few photos from yesterday's flying session. Great weather, and I had a lot of help from friends. Thermals abounded...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on July 04, 2010, 05:38:05 PM
Joshua, Beautiful sky there. Glad you had some nice weather to have fun. Sure is an interesting looking bipe in the third piccie.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: DaddyO on July 11, 2010, 12:46:48 PM
Just back from a trimmin' session at Merryfield for once the weather and the planes all co-operated ;D

Sorted out the CO2 first it had been reluctant to climb so ADD MORE DOWNTHRUST. What I had missed until watching carefully was the model was just below a power stall; adding a 64th more down and up she went! A smidge more noseweight and a couple of check flights DTing well up at 1.30 - now all we need to do is the same 4 times when it comes to the comp. ::)

Coupe with it's new smaller wing - a few minor tweaks over a couple of flights and it's going as well as I could hope (A new prop would improve things, but it's just a bit of a fill in class for me)

Finally with the breeze starting to get up (was @ 6mph - now nearer 10) I unboxed one of the Senators I built earlier this year. I'd already done some short hops on hand turns so whacked on 300 turns and let her rip... Flattish first circle then climbed away nicely with a good glide.
A smidge less side thrust and a couple of hundred more turns and she climbs away ;D

Finally put on 750 turns (12 x 1/8 motor should take @ 1050) and watched as she chugged away up to a couple of hundred feet (obviously in lift) and DT'd down safely.

Decided to call it a day at that point. Kind of makes up for all those times when you keep fiddling with a model and come home with the darn thing no better than when you left.

Toodlepip
Paul

ps
I'll take the camera with me next time


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on July 11, 2010, 03:06:01 PM
Josh looks like you had some good flying weather down there. I think I'd like to try out your Corsair as soon as I finish up my Jungmeister. I forget which Corsair you did.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on July 11, 2010, 06:23:04 PM
Crabby,

Let me know when you get ready to build... I've got a laundry list of tricks to play to make it behave. Corsairs do not trim like normal low-wingers. Also bear in mind that you'll need a good bit of real estate. Mine starts out in a left turn, goes straight for a while, and then finally gets going to the right. Never could get it to go right during the burst; I reckon the nose is just too short for sidethrust to pull it through. It is an awesome flyer, though, and performs right up there with any other radial engined WWII model.

By the way, I built it from the Herr kit with a bunch of modifications. If you want a really good build, use the Midkiff plans and keep it nice and light. Even then, there is a set of modifications that need to be made if you want a serious model that will fly 100% of the time. Follow those tricks, though, and you'll be wishing for a DT. The Corsair has incredible glide performance.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on July 11, 2010, 09:22:06 PM
Hey Maxout.
That third bipe in the pics... that's not the Baxter XE-5?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on July 11, 2010, 09:47:08 PM
Hey Maxout.
That third bipe in the pics... that's not the Baxter XE-5?

Nope. Megow SE-5 dimescale. A good flyer, but kinda short coupled. The rudder is too small, so I had to put an extension on it.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on July 12, 2010, 02:50:46 PM
Corsairs, Warhawks and Spitfires - My top favorites! :D I have a number of plans for the Spit and Warhawk, but only the Comet Corsair plan. Where can I obtain the Midkiff plan (and the box fulla tricks ::))?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on July 12, 2010, 08:31:55 PM
Hi Daddy-O

I can commiserate with your trimming tribulations. I went out with my favorite thrill-maker the other nite, my pistachio Mig-17. I know this thing flys like a little finch. It is also about 14 years old. Launch after launch the "D" thing just kept on planting asparagus. No climb. Finally I added a major gob of clay to the "A" end and she decided to at least try and look like the little bird I loved so much, but after a short circuit she came down fast. It was then that I read some hieroglyphics I had written on my stooge concerning this little Mig. "no weight, wind 2400 turns, use 1/8" tan, and throw hard" HA HA HA I was getting 1:20-1:35 flights consistently. I forgot being so P-O'd last time out that I had wound the "S" out of her and threw her like a bleeping baseball. Well jets like to go fast... I somehow forgot the value of a good launch. I will post a movie soon it's worth it. She's a crazy little bird!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: malc on July 13, 2010, 03:50:00 AM
By the way, I built it from the Herr kit with a bunch of modifications. If you want a really good build, use the Midkiff plans and keep it nice and light. Even then, there is a set of modifications that need to be made if you want a serious model that will fly 100% of the time. Follow those tricks, though, and you'll be wishing for a DT. The Corsair has incredible glide performance.

That's a heck of a statement to make, then leave us all wondering what the mods are!!!! Care to enlighten us? Seriously I would be interested, I had this one started from the book Flying Scale Models of WW2 ages ago, but never got further than cutting a few parts out.

M.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on July 15, 2010, 10:09:06 PM
OK, nothing spectacular, but I finally got my FA Moth #1 up and flying. Flight times are running around 35-40 seconds. That's good for the field I use. Much more and the plane would likely drift off over one of the bordering roads. Here's a couple of grainy pics.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on July 15, 2010, 10:29:55 PM
Hi Bargle, Sure looks like a lot of wood surrounding your flying field; trees and more trees and bushes. The Moth is a great flyer. I flew mine yesterday in a club competition, and it flew pretty well, even with it warped and not wanting to glide well. Yours looks very happy in the air.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on July 16, 2010, 07:19:40 AM
Hi Bargle, Sure looks like a lot of wood surrounding your flying field; trees and more trees and bushes. The Moth is a great flyer. I flew mine yesterday in a club competition, and it flew pretty well, even with it warped and not wanting to glide well. Yours looks very happy in the air.

Yep, it was an undeveloped, wooded area until about 7-8 years ago. Bordered on the north end by youth soccer fields, which limits when I can fly there. I don't want a plane coming down on the field during a game.

I'm very pleased with the Moth. It also has a prop I made myself pulling it around. Very satisfying. Moth #2 is under construction and will, hopefully, be an even better flyer. Thanks for the comments.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on July 16, 2010, 08:38:32 AM
Great to have a prop you've carved powering your airplane. I've been told that they're better than the plastic ones. Can't remember why. Weight less, or maybe you can adjust the pitch to get it matched. Look forward to seeing Mothra #2. I'm also thinking of another Moth since this one has such a big twist in the fuselage. Why I called it a pretzel.  ;D

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on July 16, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
Great to have a prop you've carved powering your airplane. I've been told that they're better than the plastic ones. Can't remember why. Weight less, or maybe you can adjust the pitch to get it matched. Look forward to seeing Mothra #2. I'm also thinking of another Moth since this one has such a big twist in the fuselage. Why I called it a pretzel. ;D

For me, the balsa prop was because of nose heaviness. Yes, I built a short nosed Moth and managed to have it come out nose heavy. Some people got talent, I tell ya. :P Thanks to dumb luck, the balance was about dead on with the lighter balsa prop.

I'm thinking of making 2 props, with different pitches for Moth #2. I suspect #1 could tolerate a bit more aggressive pitch.

You should build a 2nd one. It's a great design.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on July 16, 2010, 04:53:13 PM
Bargle, There's no doubt I'll build another. I'm going to build smarter this time. Definitely have a D/T, as my first flight Wednesday was a fright as it got caught up in a thermal. Thank goodness a small one. Also going to choose my wood a bit better. I just used anything that fell in my hands on the first one. And, of course, this one won't have psychedelic covering.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on July 16, 2010, 04:58:04 PM
I liked the psychedelic covering. Your covering choices have been a definite influence on selections for my P-30. Wait'll you see it. Probably be finished within the next week.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on July 18, 2010, 06:53:35 AM
Went Flying Indoor last night,we have a small group of 6-10 that fly once a month in 9mtr high double court venue. Being new to this forum I thought I would post some in flight photos of our models. HA! I took 30 photos and not one of them any good. Ive borrowed some and added some still shots to show our stuff. First is my electric Macchi M5 that is so reliable, well usually, last night the trim altered and ended up hitting the wall, smashing the top wing. The 16'' Prest Baby Pursuit is also electric and had about 10 flights of around 45 secs. The 14 bis is 20'' and rubber powered. The "Baby Lightweight" is built from a 1943 Aeromodeller plan which states that an average time of 68 sec was achieved over 10 flights, my only timed flights were 68 secs and 64 secs, But I think I can still come down on the motor size. We fly all types of models and now that numbers have declined we no longer run many comps. There is an R/C smashathon from 5.00pm until 7.30pm then we fly freeflight until 10.00pm, we normally arrive an hour before we fly to talk, swap plans and info and I bet that happens everywhere.

Regards Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on July 18, 2010, 08:00:14 AM
Here are some of my mates at Indoor last night. First is brother Trev, he builds only scale and all around 20'', his Yellow Call-Air A4 an own design is seen en front of his Focke Wulfe A18. Next is Jack winding his biplane Pennyplane he builds mostly duration types as well as Ornithopters and was recently seen with a peanut. John is seen with part of his fine collection of great flyers. Finally Tims EZB, THB is the master of the group and builds anything his latest is a half size 80's Wakefield

Regards Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on July 18, 2010, 08:34:33 AM
Dave, Many thanks for sharing. I'm envious of those who've got indoor flying venues. The models shown are really nice. Wonderful detail.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on July 23, 2010, 09:15:23 PM
My Comet Cloud Buster #1.

Since I got a good pic, I'm gonna post it, but the session itself wasn't that good. I'd been having trouble with power stalls caused by rubber bunching at the rear peg. I put a bobbin at the rear of the motor and that seems to have fixed that, but now I've starting breaking motors. 3 so far. Still, I persevere, because I think I've got it sorted if I'll just stop overwinding.

Oh, it wouldn't hurt if the weather report would stop including the phrase, "near record high".


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on July 23, 2010, 10:39:35 PM
Bargle, Nice inflight photo. Yes, a bobbin, or a piece of aluminum tube that slips over the rear motor peg works wonders. I do that to all my models and it seems to allow the motor to unwinds evenly. Not sure how much experience you have winding a motor. I had plenty of problems for quite a while until I started properly lubing my motor and properly stretching it out, though I may still need to stretch a tad more to get those astronomic numbers others seem to achieve for turns. I know that Bob "DUCO GURU" posted somewhere on HPA a chart that gives you a ballpark figure on max winds for X number of strands of rubber per inch. Here's a link for the chart that I use.

http://www.modelflight.com/rubber.html

I understand your feelings about the durn hot weather. Three straight weeks of 100+F for us where I live. Probably won't quit until September. The hot weather makes it building season for us here.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on July 24, 2010, 07:15:05 AM
Thanks, Caley. Yeah, I've been lubing and stretching. The breaking is mainly just me going for too much. I did have one break in the middle at about half winds, but that was from an older batch of rubber I think may be suspect. Believe me, if I wasn't in the "Flight Test & Tune" cookup over at FF Cookup, I wouldn't be doing much flying right now.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on July 26, 2010, 11:34:06 PM
I made a Dash 8 recently. I took it out flying today and after determining that it was nose heavy after 3 flights, I took all the noseweight off and this happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tzBU-Teev4&videos=DvPYJuCu4fc

more power needed.

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: malc on July 27, 2010, 01:55:21 AM
Nice one Matt.

M.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on July 27, 2010, 01:59:42 AM
Great flight Matt. Congrats!!

How about a couple of pics of the finished model? Also, how much does it weight, what did you use for the rubber motors and where did the c of g end up?

I've sorta started building one of these.

Don


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on July 27, 2010, 02:43:31 AM
Great flight Matt. Congrats!!

How about a couple of pics of the finished model? Also, how much does it weight, what did you use for the rubber motors and where did the c of g end up?

I've sorta started building one of these.

Ahhh, the model is still as it was in this thread http://www.smallflyingartsforum.com/YaBB.pl?num=1239996021/449#449 as far as the CG goes I balanced it on the main spar which was to far forward. I then test glided it with nose weight and it seems to be almost at the 35% mark..???? weird. My rubber was 2x peg length braided 4mm rubber. I cut the props down since this video to see if I will get more thrust and greater height. Probably not my best decision but one I want to try. The props were cut back to 6", so they now have straight tips.

regards
matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: malc on July 28, 2010, 10:08:55 AM
Don,

As always I'm envious of your computer drawing skills, that's a colour scheme I looked at but couldn't figure a way to do it without spraying and lots of masking!

Looking forward to seeing your progress. On SFA Matt said his model weighed 35g complete with peck props but no rubber, its gotta be filled with Helium or have scales with 90% grams!!

Malc.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on July 28, 2010, 12:01:00 PM
Ya also got to take into consideration that Matt is "upside-down" and they drive on the "wrong" side of the road! Maybe they read the scales backwards too? ;D :D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on July 28, 2010, 07:01:18 PM
Ha ha! very funny dudes.... Even still, if we DO read things upside down, the model would still be only 53 grams.. Oh and our toilets flush the other way to.

I finished dolling her up I think she is done now. A little bit of exhaust burn courtesy of my wife's oil Pastel supplies Thanks babe! Can't wait to fly her next time..

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on July 28, 2010, 07:27:38 PM
Matt, All I can say is "Gee, That's nice!" I didn't catch if this is scratch built, or from a kit. If a kit, I surely wish to know where I can obtain one. I've never done a twin. Seen them fly, and always so impressed.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on July 28, 2010, 09:15:38 PM
That's a very, very nice model Matt, and a great flyer! Again, congrats!

I actually emailed Air Canada and they sent me the 'Jazz' and 'Maple Leaf' files, Malc. I race slot cars with an Air Canada pilot who flys these, so I've got some quite good detail pics from him as well.

I also looked at this one for a long time:


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on July 28, 2010, 09:33:38 PM
Make sure you post a build thread!! I saw the maple leaf air canada one's and ALMOST made one. I have started my next multi engine (already) I believe you know what it is to sir donny...

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on August 07, 2010, 07:47:31 PM
Hi there guys. I went flying yesterday with the Knoller CII Biplane and my savoia S65. I am so very pleased to say that the Savoia went better than ever (sorry no videos) and the Knoller as well!! The S65 got to the ceiling and flies in left hand circles. I don't think It beat 45 seconds but it certainly looked fantastic. i could probably try a different prop size or broader bladed prop but for now and next month's indoor peanut contest I will stick with this setup. My knoller came second last year in indoor peanut with only 8 second flights! I think the highest flight was 11 seconds. BUT, yesterday it was flying for at least 45 seconds every time! I have a good good feeling about next month's peanut comp...Maybe the god's will strike me down for being over confident? Anyway, here are some pics a friend took of my planes.

I also took the dash along for "show and tell"

I just remembered. You may notice the S65 has one prop. This was the only photo that Malcolm had I believe. The great flying it did was with 2 props..

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on August 07, 2010, 08:02:48 PM
Great stuff Matthew - the Knoller looks particularly good in the air.

Good luck next month!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on August 07, 2010, 08:23:28 PM
Matt, The Savoia is fantastic looking.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on August 07, 2010, 10:31:28 PM
Matt,

 Nice job on the Knoller. Those are good flight times. Any idea what the times were on the Savoia? It definitely looks great in the air! And I had to chuckle at the Dash 8 photo what with you wearing that jacket and all. Props to you, Mr. Cool. ;)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on August 08, 2010, 01:03:40 AM
About 30-35 seconds josh for the S65. I do look sort of drunk in that photo with the dash 8. Too much pepsi..

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on August 10, 2010, 03:51:51 AM
Forgot that I had this video of flying buddy Brian Taylor. His wright flyer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NIr6a8T3MQ

regards
matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: scrubs on August 11, 2010, 06:35:13 PM
We do a FA Moth mass launch at most every flying session. I've seen as many as a half dozen participating and as few as two. Here's this morning's action. Kemit on the left already has his out of the picture. Jim on the right is watching his blue and red Moth climb away. Yours truly in dork hat and beer gut is in the middle watching his red and white Moth. The field is not nearly as big as it looks, only about 40 acres. Fenced on all sides. If you lose a model to the north or west over the fence it's history.

Today was ideal as it's been most mornings lately. Calm but in the mid 80's.

bill


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on August 11, 2010, 07:28:29 PM
Bill, That's way kewl! Glad all of ya got a chance to fly and have some fun. Sure looks like fun. Next time you'all decided for a Mothra mass launch, let us know before hand. Maybe we can make this happen at more than one location.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: scrubs on August 12, 2010, 08:39:58 AM
Hi Caley,

We have a Wed. and Sat. schedule for flying. SO we do em twice a week ( a lot of mileage on those Moths ;D ). May do it any time during our sessions. Usually one of the two guys in the pic with me is the instigator. Usually hand launch but occasionally of the road. They also do a Beanbox mass launch occasionally. When the group was bigger I'm told they did FAC contests regularly but that was a few years back.

bill


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on August 12, 2010, 09:15:49 AM
Bill, Your group sounds like our club. They usually get together on Wednesday, with some coming out for either Saturday or Sunday. The big day is Wednesday.

It's sad that we continue to lose members of our groups. We've lost so many in our SCAMPS, and they continue to go to the big airplane patch in heaven. Just a note. I was notified that Sal Taibi is again not feeling too well. I think they said he was in the hospital. He's been a fixture in our hobby for a very long time. I sure hope he gets better and can again make it out to the field to visit.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: scrubs on August 12, 2010, 02:09:49 PM
Sal is a nice guy from talking to him. I met him at the AMA museum during SAM champs in 2008.

We have one guy that flies with us and he's on an oxygen tank. His wife helps with retrieving etc. He sits in a canvas chair to wind on charge his electric. Then she helps him up and steadies him while he launches. He's fun to talk to and still is a bundle of enthusiasm.

bill


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on August 12, 2010, 03:07:36 PM
Bill, Sal has been the driving force many of these past years to get a flying site for our club. He tries to make the annual contest in his honor, but health issues don't always allow. I've met him a few times, and he always takes time to chat.

Glad to hear that member is still enjoying his flying with the help of his wife and others. I think the nice thing about the gatherings is the enjoyment of meeting others and talking. Flying tops off the day.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hklam on August 14, 2010, 02:47:28 AM
Video of Peanut Supermarine Spitfire flying high

Here's a video of a 1 minute successful flight of the Supermarine Spitfire which I recorded with my handphone camera this morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-lMrZiscBw

hklam


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on August 14, 2010, 04:50:48 AM
WOW that thing really gets up there. If there are any thermals around you would definitely loose her. Did I spot some stalling hklam?

regards
matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: hklam on August 14, 2010, 11:22:20 AM
Thanks Matt! Great pics of your Knoller & Savoia. Think your Savoia will be hard to beat.

I saw your little twin airliner too, just superb! Will have to try one of those later when I have the guts.

Yeah, the Spitty does stall towards the end once the power runs out, and it stall glides for a reasonable touchdown. ;D

hklam


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on September 11, 2010, 06:13:53 PM
Or, "Black Star" (Estrella Negra) over Germany - Part 3!

Another day that turned out perfect for flying. I went out with the Estrella Negra and a Guillows Series 600 Cessna 180 for some more trim flights. Of course I also had my catagliders along.

First up was the Cessna, a 22", 28 gram (sans rubber) "lightweight" powered with two 15" x 2/32nd Tan SS loops. A 7" Peck provides the airwash. This model is a bit unusual, in that it is built totally stock (including the covering) with only the prop being replaced and the rear peg moved a bit forward. The unsual part was that it came out VERY NOSEHEAVY ??? I had to add 1.3 grams of lead to the tail! Another oddity was that the indicated CG (with 3° incidence) resulted in nose dives before I added the extra weight. I think I'll carve a balsa prop and make some balsa wheels.

The test flights with 200 and 500 turns indicated a need for less downthrust, but while winding in a planned 750 turns, the "O" ring broke at about 600 taking out a former and causing two tiny punctures - VERY lucky - the damage is already repaired (and I WON'T be using "O" rings of unknown origin again - and a blast tube ::)). The video clip of the flight with the 500 turns only showed about 1 or two seconds of the flight, so I haven't uploaded it. The plane flys remarkably well - I was very pleased and surprised.

The star of the day was the Estrella Negra. Only flew twice due to the increasing humidity with 650 and 850 turns. These were the first TRUE flights where the prop went into freewheel at altitude. The flights showed a definite need for a bit of nose ballast and maybe a tad less downthrust. The flight on 850 was about 50 seconds. To the Video (fullscreen modus recommended):

http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn194/staubkorb/Rubber%20powered%20Fun%20Planes/?action=view&current=Film_0003.mp4


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on September 11, 2010, 07:36:39 PM
We had another melt down of our processor so we had to by a new computer and now we can't view a lot of the moving pictures you guys put on the sites so I can't see your planes fly any more guys :'( >:( If I get my hands on any one that puts viruses on the forums I will end their fun permanently of course the chances of me finding them are about nill to 0 as things go !! >:(


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on September 11, 2010, 08:10:47 PM
George, I'm sure the forum is firewalled against viruses and other malicious stuff. You need to firewall your new computer and install anti-virus software. Forum members don't do things deliberately.

Pete, The Star is looking really good. You're almost there kiddo.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on September 11, 2010, 09:06:37 PM
Caley

I just get a little miffed when people do that stuff and I don't think it came from our forums? I think my grandson picked it up on one of his game sites because it happened last Saturday or on labor day when they were here for a cook out.

I am glad that we did as you said we should! We had them put a good anti every thing bug catcher and killer on this computer so maybe it will last a while?

I like the pics of planes and the fact that we seem to be helping Widdog to get his planes going better ! I like seeing every one do great planes just as much as doing them myself!!!!

George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dosco on September 14, 2010, 12:48:07 PM
We had another melt down of our processor so we had to by a new computer and now we can't view a lot of the moving pictures you guys put on the sites so I can't see your planes fly any more guys :'( >:( If I get my hands on any one that puts viruses on the forums I will end their fun permanently of course the chances of me finding them are about nill to 0 as things go !! >:(

May I respectfully suggest this link (http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=35407) to address your malware problems. The advice there is excellent. I had some problems a year or two ago, and their cleaning instructions kick butt. If you surf the "malware removal" forum they also have recommendations with regards to free and pay antivirus software.

I routinely scan my machine with Malware Bytes in Windows "safe mode," and have had very few problems with malware. I also update my malware definitions daily or weekly, which is a big help.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on September 14, 2010, 05:31:27 PM
So far it seems like the stuff they gave Pat on this puter is keeping it clean for her!

got to go put some groceries down my neck So TTFN!!

George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on September 27, 2010, 07:27:05 AM
I turned the big SIX OH the other day, so my wife asked about a party. I said I would rather go flying so she organized a FLY and BBQ at a friends property at Murray Bridge. Bacon and eggs for breakfast, steak and salad for lunch, half a dozen mates and perfect freeflight weather made for a memorable day. Photo 1. After 5 years of below average rainfall we've had a wet winter and the place looked a picture. Brother Trev turned up with a fleet of rubber models and flew all day. Photo 2. Tim brought part of his stable of scale models aided by a Senator and his "indoor" half size Wakefield. Photo 3 Ron mostly flew his Vic Smeed ''Pushy Cat'', now re engined with a MP Jet , He also had a rubber Wittman Big X and did some first flights with a new Senator. Photo 4. Steve is described as the all round aviation nut. He flies A380,s for a living, has just finished his second home built and flies with us mortals for fun. He had Stick and Tissue scale R/C models with him but also fly's freeflight. Photo 5. I managed quite a few flights with my electric Bv 222 and Dornier Do217 K-2 but was mostly keen to fly a couple of diesel models. First was a Vic Smeed "Airy Fairy" that I built about 18 months ago and not had the opportunity to fly, it surprisingly flew with only a bit of up elevator trim needed. Second was a Longster Wimpy built from Walt Mooney plans that had only had a couple of flights previously. Although very sensitive to rudder trim, it went from tight left to right with just a tweak, it ended up just a speck in a thermal from which it finally came out and presented a bit of a trek to retrieve. I wasn't so lucky with my F.A. Navy Pursuit which went OOS after about 5 minutes. I decided not to fly my Pinocchio as one offering to Hung was enough for the day. We started at 6-45 a.m. and finished at 4.00 p.m. What a great day. :) :) :) :) :)

Regards Dave :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PeeTee on September 27, 2010, 08:29:33 AM
Dave

you lucky s*d. If I suggested that to my wife, she would tell me to go forth and multiply :D - not that she'd ask me what I wanted to do!

Looks as though you had a great time, although I note that an R/C ARTF managed to sneak into one of the photos :o

Thanks for posting the pictures and keep up the good work

Cheers

Peter


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on September 27, 2010, 09:06:35 AM
Dave, I love the idea of a whole day fly. Sounds like the ultimate day. I need to ask about the pterodactyl. I have the 3 view for it but would love to make one in peanut scale. Good to hear that you gave one of your models to Hung, it can only mean good things for the future. I regularly offer planes to hung in the form of burnt offerings. I swear it works.

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on September 27, 2010, 09:27:28 AM
Dave, That was so nice of your wife and mates. Sounds like a perfect day with friends and family. Enjoy your second childhood. I did the same thing a few months ago, and am enjoying it.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on September 27, 2010, 09:28:56 AM
Here's some more photos from Sunday,Photo 1 is my Longster Wimpy. Photo 2 is Trevs Pterodactyl, he originally built the Aeromodeller No-Cal version, I think it may have been an Al Backstrom design, and it flew so well he drew some plans and made a 3-D version. Photo 3 is Tim's soon to be retired Vickers Vulcan. Photo 4 show the turns being applied for the final flight of my Flying Aces Navy Pursuit. Photo 5 shows Tim's "indoor" 1/2 wakefield really preforming.

Still Smiling
Dave :) :) :) :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on September 27, 2010, 09:31:17 AM
Here's the rest of the Photos


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on September 27, 2010, 09:37:13 AM
I have that plan from Al Backstrom. I actually think I have his Original drawing! I really need to make one, as I really love that plane.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on September 27, 2010, 03:04:26 PM
Matt, do you have that plan in electronic form?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on September 27, 2010, 05:08:22 PM
I would most likely have my second heart attack if the wife even ask me what I wanted for my birthday any more!!!! ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on September 27, 2010, 05:35:41 PM
Matt, do you have that plan in electronic form?>

The best I can do is scan it for you pitman... you keen for it? I have a scanner at home.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on September 28, 2010, 06:41:02 AM
Hi
This is my first attempt at the YouTube thing, First is a brief glimpse of my Blohm und Voss Bv 222 taken by my wife, it was her first go but you will get the idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HmEcBbvgSk

Next is my Dornier Do 217 K-2 taken by my mate Tim, also his first go with my camera, the timer is set for about 45 secs, that way I can get about 6 flights before recharging. To me the best part of any flight is the first circuit overhead, once they get to that point things seldom go wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95rmA3HbEw

I hope these are of interest and will try to do better next time.

Still Smiling
Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on September 28, 2010, 06:51:09 AM
Awesome dave. I love what you have done with those electrics. The twin, would that be able to be powered by rubber?

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on September 28, 2010, 07:19:25 AM
Thanks Matt
Not that particular model, its built to take advantage of brushless motors and Li-Po's so Ive put in a fair bit of detail and also sheeted a fair bit of it to try to make it more scale like and less stick and tissue so it would be too heavy. The model is 48" span and you could fit 10" long motors in the nacelles, swing 9'' props in the standard nacelle position so built as a rubber model it would be OK. The Germans built lovely aircraft!

Regards Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on September 28, 2010, 09:46:06 AM
Dave, Incredible looking in the air.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on September 28, 2010, 09:49:28 AM
I THINK I know Matt's next multi ::). Matt, a scan would be fine - can u save/send it as a .pdf?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Mark Braunlich on September 28, 2010, 11:24:32 AM
Hi Dave,
What engine is in the Wimpy?

Cheers,
Mark


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on September 28, 2010, 05:36:16 PM
I THINK I know Matt's next multi ::). Matt, a scan would be fine - can u save/send it as a .pdf?

Don't know how to do that sir pete. I have normal Jpeg files of it.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on September 28, 2010, 05:53:51 PM
Matt, Go to this addy and input your JPEG into the blank and it'll transform it into PDF. Just follow the instructions. Easy and simple.

http://www.pdfonline.com/

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on September 28, 2010, 06:26:45 PM
Caley Ann
I figured out how to get some of the plans to transfer to Jpeg and get them to tile for me, I know this is reverse of what you have just told Matt to do but I forgot to tell you about that on last post :-[

The thing is if the file is locked when transmitted you can't get it to tile.

Matt if I can remember the steps after saving to my pictures I will post you and see if we can get your plans to tile!!! Right now I am having a migraine headache so cant function too well!

George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on September 29, 2010, 01:13:27 AM
Matt, Go to this addy and input your JPEG into the blank and it'll transform it into PDF. Just follow the instructions. Easy and simple.

http://www.pdfonline.com/

Caley

thanks Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on September 29, 2010, 03:35:25 AM
Mark
The Wimpy is powered by an MP JET 040 Classic diesel. I don't know if your familiar with them but they are produced in the Czech Republic and are basically an improved Mills .75 although they are only .6 cc they produce more power yet retain all the good characteristics of the old engine, like easy starting and capability to swing a big prop. This is my third engine [although I now only have 2 because one went OOS in a 70% Golberg Zipper] and they all start and run superbly. Ill probably stir the ire of some, comparing them to a Mills but that's my experience.

Regards
Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on September 30, 2010, 04:27:00 PM
The truth is the truth guy. You sound like me, I-calls-m-like-I-sees-m !

That's why I'm always in trouble !!!!

George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: algy on September 30, 2010, 09:22:23 PM
Hi Dave,
I have been lurking around here and following this thread off and on ;D. Saw your comments on the MP Jet 040 classic diesel and heartily agree with you.

It is a lovely little diesel, very well made from the Czech Republic. They make good stufff. I have never had such an easy starting diesel motor before and it runs beautifully. Picked mine up from Owen Engines in Australia but not sure of their availability in other countries. It is a diesel engine I would recommend highly for some one thinking about buying one for the first time. Now that I've secured my supplies of Castor Oil and Ether for the fuel here in Tasmania (not an easy thing to do) I am set.

I also have one of the Russian copies of the Mills .75 but that was set up with so much cylinder head taper at the top that it was almost impossible to start and run and blew a con rod!! Fortunately a skilled friend of mine added a cylinder head spacer and made a new stronger con rod and it is now both easy to start and runs very well. But not one recommended because of the head problem unless you to also have a skilled friend.

Cheers

Algy


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on October 04, 2010, 02:46:34 AM
HI Algy
Good to here from a fellow Diesel enthusiast, have you had any problem with the clear tank expanding and falling off after a few flights. I lost one which Dave Owen replaced, so I now twitch a piece of copper wire around the tank and secure it to the venturi. Not sure if its the fuel I'm using or not. I know about tight pistons, I built the BOL-AERO 1.8 cc Diesel that was in A.M.I. about 18 months ago and thought it was a bit tight but by the time it ran for awhile it was too loose so one day I'll turn up another piston and lapp it more closely. Must make something to put it in.

Regards
Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: sparkle on October 04, 2010, 04:52:26 AM
 8) Neat looking engine Dave.

sparkle


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on October 04, 2010, 06:09:54 AM
You made that engine!!! geezus dave. That is amazing.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: algy on October 04, 2010, 07:29:57 AM
Hi Dave,

Gee your way ahead of me.! Actually making your own Diesel engine. Looks great in the photo and suitably "Vintage".

So far I have had no problems at all with the tank on the MP Jet Diesel. But to date have only spent a pleasant half hour running it in on the test stand and not used it in a model. I did just now check on it and it has unscrewed a little bit but is still a tight fit on the threads. My engine seems also to have also been supplied with a very nice metal tank of the same size. I cannot remember if that was an extra I bought or it came with package.

I am using the Russian version of the Mills .75 in a reduced size free flight model called "Shadow" I made from free plans in a 1980s Aeromodeller and it happily putters around the heavens

I do have an article somewhere on making your own replacement tank for the Mills .75. Where it is though and whether it would work also on the MP Jet I am not sure. I will keep my eye out for it.

Cheers

Algy


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on October 04, 2010, 07:58:33 AM
ALGY
It's not that the tanks unscrew, they actually expand and fall off those fine threads. The metal tank is a standard part but its very hard to tell the fuel level in them and that is very critical on those small engines. I like to run mine down to a predetermined level then launch, they can run for a long time. A good idea would be to drill a hole in the metal tank so it only holds enough for your chosen engine run. How about a photo of the Shadow, I"m not familiar with it.

Regards
Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: algy on October 04, 2010, 09:18:35 AM
Hi Dave,
Expanding plastic fuel tanks. I have never seen or heard of that before. The plastic does not feel or look like it would expand.

Just out of curiosity are you using a commercially bought diesel fuel or mixing your own? There was, or still is, a certain brand of diesel fuel on sale here in Australia that used very dodgy ingredients. I would not recommend using it in any diesel motor. I always mix my own. If you are mixing your own do you use an ignition improver as I do? It could be that. I use "Wynns Diesel Anti Knock" at 2% with no problems. Just a thought as I am no chemist or fuel/plastics expert.

There is an easy way to alter the capacity of your metal fuel tank without drilling holes in it. (Gulp!!) Go to the craft section of your nearest $2.00 store and buy some glass beads used for making fun jewelry. (You could try plastic beads but they might react with the fuel)  Put a few of said glass beads in your metal fuel tank, screw it back on and time the run. A few quick tests with a stop watch will tell you how many beads you need to put in to alter the tank capacity to get the engine run you're after. A nice calm day might be a five bead flight ;D A very windy day might be a ten bead flight;D

I will go into my studio tomorrow and takes some shots of the "Shadow". for you. It is a bit to windy here in Tasmania right now to risk getting any flying shots and these days I tend to start crying a bit when I have to run to far.

Cheers

Algy


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on October 04, 2010, 09:37:24 AM
Algy
Thanks for your reply, I have used the glass bead trick before, the hole in the tank was relayed to me by a friend that used it in Scrambles. I get my fuel from a mate that mixes his own, he is quite well known and reputable. Believe me those tanks do expand, perhaps after a session of flying you will find the tank is loose on the threads, then next day it will return to size. No joke, it happened to me again last weekend with my Wimpy, when I went to clean it after flying, the tank was held in place only by my safety wire [the tank is hidden under the cowling and is hard to see]

Regards Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: glidermaster on October 05, 2010, 11:40:48 PM
Greetings all,
A few of us got out to the field here near Vancouver last weekend. I flew my Vintage FAI Power model, Night Train, which has appeared in these pages a couple of times;

http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php/topic,928.30.html

Anyway, sad to say, it didn't go too well. After a few really promising flights, something went wrong, and the pictures show the result.

I'm not entirely sure what happened, but 'Operator Error' is a great coverall statement.

I'm going to put it back together, and will post a few pics along the way in the Power Models section.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: gossie on October 06, 2010, 12:32:59 AM
Oh dear JB.
Don't forget the old saying though. Man made, man can fix it.

Something must have moved????? Good luck with 'the fix'. (Say hi to 'the boss'.)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on October 06, 2010, 03:35:34 PM
John, big OUCH! I'm sure you'll have it smiling again, and ready to go into the stratosphere very soon.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on October 07, 2010, 09:56:37 AM
Hi
 Just been sent some links to video taken by Tim [THB] of my birthday FUN FLY.

First is the very first test flight of my Vic Smeed "Airy Fairy'', just needed a 1/16th packer under the tailplane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vik_lUct2nI

Next is Rons Vic Smeed "Pushy Cat" showing what sport flying is all about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrghlcZMI9Y

Finally is a complete flight of my Blohm und Voss Wiking coping with a bit of breeze.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xXdxLmpwjw

ThanksTim

Still smiling
Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on October 07, 2010, 10:16:43 AM
Dave, Great stuff. I especially like the sound of the B&V motors. Really neat sounding.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on October 07, 2010, 08:05:47 PM
Dave, they are some great vidz mate. I was on the net last night and saw these before you posted them. I also saw the Pterodactyl as well? I must make this plane...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on October 08, 2010, 01:40:58 AM
Matt
Brother Trev has just drawn the plan and I will post it soon with that video and some shots of his model.

Regards
Dave.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on October 08, 2010, 03:28:57 AM
Trev's model flys really well - it doesn't look like the sort of concept that would.... but it does.

Meanwhile, the good people at Aeroplane Monthly have provided a timely article in this September's edition:

http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/545/747/7450/1/50?dps=

Looking forward to the plan!
cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on October 08, 2010, 05:55:57 AM
Tim, I wish I could view the images in their full size. But I don't really want to fork out the 29 quid for the one article.. I can not wait for the plan! AAARGH.

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on October 08, 2010, 09:25:27 AM
Lots of info thru Google. Just type in Westland-Hill Pterodactyle.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on October 08, 2010, 06:47:09 PM
Hi Matthew - the subscription is 29 UK Pounds, but you can buy the September edition (out now) at newsagents for about AU$10

Tim


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on October 10, 2010, 06:24:38 AM
Hi
Went to Indoor last Night, it was a bit grim there were only 3 Freeflight flyers. That's OK we all had a good night but it doesn't pay for the hall. I had a try out with my new camera and managed to get a bit of video that is watchable.

First up is Tim with his tiny HLG, he was averaging around 20 secs under a 9mtr ceiling, He couldn't get it up to the roof so he put a bit of weight into it and it worked well, it just came down quicker to give the same time!
http://www.youtube.com/user/dputt7?feature=mhum#p/u/3/tH0RpvHJDoE

Next is my Baby Lightweight built from 1943 Aeromodeller plans,
http://www.youtube.com/user/dputt7?feature=mhum#p/u/0/BVqknTN8wv8

Brother Trev's Call-Air A4 is up next.
http://www.youtube.com/user/dputt7?feature=mhum#p/u/2/B4mw5MuJdto

Finally is my Curtiss Robin from a prewar plan in Flying Aces. Lost its glide trim on this flight.
http://www.youtube.com/user/dputt7?feature=mhum#p/u/1/18kuknM3YnA

Outdoors is so much more friendly

Regards Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on October 10, 2010, 07:17:03 AM
Nice work dave. That curtiss robin certainly came in a little hard. i think I know what that little glider is.

regards
Matthew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Mooney on October 10, 2010, 10:28:14 AM
Hi Dave
Not a thing wrong with that landing! Thanks for taking the time to post the vids.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on October 10, 2010, 07:53:30 PM
My Comet Cloud Buster #1.

Since I got a good pic, I'm gonna post it, but the session itself wasn't that good. I'd been having trouble with power stalls caused by rubber bunching at the rear peg. I put a bobbin at the rear of the motor and that seems to have fixed that, but now I've starting breaking motors. 3 so far. Still, I persevere, because I think I've got it sorted if I'll just stop overwinding.

Oh, it wouldn't hurt if the weather report would stop including the phrase, "near record high".

Ah, well. Addressing 2 things mentioned in the previous post. We either came within one day or tied the record for number of days with a high of 90 degrees or above. Sarcastic yay.
On the Cloud Buster #1: The power stalls weren't being caused by rubber bunching, but by good ole tail heaviness. Nothing like misdiagnosing a problem to waste your time. I lightened the tail, recovered and got it flying, but I spent so much time this summer fighting this one that I'm still annoyed with it. It's going to hangar queen status for a long while.

Still, today's flying session was the nicest weather-wise I've had this year. Plenty of sunshine. Breezes light to none. Just a lovely day.

Tried my Baysik Bahks P-30 using a 1/4" single loop motor. That just isn't enough power for its porky self, even for sport flying. I'll be using a double loop motor its next time out.

Now for the attached pic model: My 2nd Cloud Buster. After a few adjustments, I was getting good flights on 500-650 winds. Even caught a small bump of lift on one flight.

First time this year I ended a session because I was getting tired rather than heat or wind.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on October 10, 2010, 09:33:46 PM
Good show Bargle
Now just don't lose it oos it looks like it will try to go to hung!!

George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on October 10, 2010, 09:42:34 PM
Thanks, George. Really, it's my crappy camera that makes it look farther away than it was. I need one with a higher megapixel count.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on October 10, 2010, 09:49:00 PM
Bargle
I was going by the pic of it on the table, it looks like a great plane and if it flys like it looks you should have a DT on it !!

George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on October 10, 2010, 10:00:28 PM
Thank you again. It is one of my neater builds. You really do improve from practice.

Didn't we have a camera recommendation thread somewhere here or am I confused?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on October 11, 2010, 07:30:54 PM
Bargle
You will need to go look at the cameras that are available and compare the memory capacity between the different models and their focal settings or fstops they have set them up for guy !

That is about all I know about the topic so I am most likely not a lot of help on the subject, and I have seen a thread on one of the forums that deals with the subject but can't remember which one it was - I want to say either SFA or or one of the rc forums ?

Hope you can find one that will do what you need !

George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on October 11, 2010, 08:24:44 PM
Thanks, George. I did a bit of looking around and there's nothing I can afford that will do everything I want. Ah, well. On with making do with what I got.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on October 12, 2010, 09:58:05 AM
Sorry to hear that Bargle !

I find myself in that pickle every so often too.

Maybe you can catch them on sale for Christmas? Some of the chain stors put them out to clear them for the next batch of new ones, coming in for the new year and drop the price till some one buys them.

That's the way we got a half decent digital camera here at home.

Good luck guy!
George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on October 12, 2010, 08:16:48 PM
It's an idea. If I can just remember it when it gets close to Christmas. :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on October 12, 2010, 08:34:24 PM
Bargle, Don't know if you're married, but the trick is to make up a wish-list and just happen to leave it where it can be found. At the top of the list is that special camera you're dreaming of. ;D Maybe Santa will answer that wish. :)

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on October 12, 2010, 09:47:23 PM
No, not married and no one else with that much disposable income close to me.

Thanks for the thought, though. ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Zack on October 13, 2010, 09:02:16 AM
We have had good luck buying refurbished camera's from Adorama.

http://www.adorama.com/searchsite/default.aspx?searchinfo=refurb

This is great for buying an older model that doesn't have the "improvements" of the newer one.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on October 13, 2010, 03:59:02 PM
Zack and Bargle
Remember that most people toss the packing and software to new stuff as soon as they open the Package up !

So make sure they send the CD or DVD and Manuals to the camera if you buy a used one !!

just a reminder guys ! -You buy a pig in a poke if you can't hold it in your hand before you pay for it !!

George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on October 23, 2010, 09:42:01 AM
Tried my Baysik Bahks P-30 using a 1/4" single loop motor. That just isn't enough power for its porky self, even for sport flying. I'll be using a double loop motor its next time out.

I went to a double loop 1/4" motor. That worked fine, but I discovered I made a building error on the fuselage. I mismatched the longerons and the fuselage twists back and forth with changes in humidity. It's being set aside until I can build a new fuselage.

That does it. It's time for Gollywock build attempt #2. My stack laminate props are getting better, so I may try a folder. We'll see.

Well, I built one, sort of. I built a reduced scale, mostly sheet Gollywock. The reduced scale was to fit my local flying field better. It's about 24" span. The mostly sheet design was for building speed and I was intrigued by this thread over at SFA.
http://www.smallflyingartsforum.com/YaBB.pl?num=1181502176/all

The wing and tail group are 1/32" sheet. The wing and stab have a perimeter of 1/32" x 1/4" on the bottom side. The wing is made up of 3 flat sections with a raised entry. The stab is a Jedelsky shape. It glides nicely. Currently I'm flying it on a single loop of 1/4", but it can clearly stand more power. If I build another one, (and knowing me, I probably will) I'll go to a built up stab and rudder. Even though I incorporated a multiple position wing mount, I still ended up adding some nose weight to get it balanced right. It does fly very nicely, even on the lower power. Here's a couple of pics. I ended up using an 8" Peck prop. Just as well, since I needed nose weight anyway.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on October 23, 2010, 12:26:23 PM
That's a nice GollyWhat?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on October 23, 2010, 02:04:34 PM
That's a nice GollyWhat?

I've nicknamed it the GollyGeeWhiz. ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on October 23, 2010, 08:24:11 PM
Bargle
Nice plane guy. I'm glad someone is flying something. I can't seem to get any flying weather here!

George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bargle on October 23, 2010, 09:01:22 PM
Bargle
Nice plane guy, I'm glad someone is flying something I can't seem to get any flying weather here!

Sorry to hear about the weather, George. Today would actually been a good day here, but other things intervened.

After all the meltingly hot days this summer, I've been trying to get in as much flying as I can before it turns cold. It has been a year of extremes for weather around here.

Thanks for the compliment.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on October 27, 2010, 12:32:49 PM
Bargle, sorry it took a while to get back to the computer been trying to rebuild our fence in the front yard so the puppy can have a run with out the leash on and attached to the cable run in the back yard!

The weather here has been a pain for the better part of the last two or three years for some reason , maybe global warming - naw couldn't be? We used to get gentile rains in the evenings and easy breezes most of the day till after dark then a little stronger for a half hr. or so then the rain in the summer time , of course early spring was wet as well as late fall then winter would be mostly snow and very cold but not till the last two years did it get that cold here?

Well back to the topic at hand - I can't fly today too windy and still wet from the last rain! Am off today so wife could go to the Dr. in Pittsburg, I thought I was to take her and Mother-in-law up there but ended up taking them to the bus station instead and will go get them later?

Hope you were able to get some more flight time guy!

TTFN George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on November 15, 2010, 05:43:55 AM
Hi
Saturday night was our monthly Indoor fly. We all had a great time and a few extra flyers turned up so it was as much a social event as a flying night. Tim was testing his VP prop on his F1D and we got to see his Transport box, that's more complicated than most models. Someone got an F1L [I think] stuck in the roof, they managed to free it with the pole and it continued to fly for almost a minute. Brother Trev did some trim flights with his Douglas Skyshark, he has had this for awhile but doesn't seem to fly it much, though it was looking promising.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sPX1gLiUqs

As reported elsewhere I finished of my Born Loser and here's the last half of a flight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeRh30uyWqM

Need to trim a bit off the prop for those landings though. This is my electric 17" Prest Baby Pursuit. A bit fast but its reliable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt5VAJ904Zc

Here's a few photos of the night, got to remember to take more photo"s.

Regards Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on November 15, 2010, 07:17:56 AM
Hi Dave - here's a few more from the same night, including some of your new model - Jack's F1L - and Max's Manhattan

cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on November 15, 2010, 09:36:06 AM
Dputt7, Sure does look like lots of fun. Thanks for sharing.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on November 15, 2010, 11:40:54 AM
"Went flying" .. well, yes - back in September at the Great Grape Gathering, Geneseo from which I recently picked up these pics from a friend.

In sequence ... 1) 'Applehoney 320' departs in Diesel Duration - PAW 1.5cc  2) An exploratory hand launch of the original 'Night Owl' glider, designed and built in late 1978, following some renovations.  3) Start of an unofficial flight with the Heeb 'Wren'; unofficial for it was at this moment I noticed it had dropped an undercarriage leg on way to flightline .. the other dropped off in flight. Now have to replace same and remember the retaining band in future....  4/5) My 'Ellipsis' Mulvihill gets away, followed by it caught descending on d/t over five minutes later from a wonderful piece of air in which it recorded the four minute flight at a time when I could not only wander under but was actually ahead of it.  6) What else but a 'Senator'?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on November 15, 2010, 12:14:43 PM
Jim, Great stuff. I especially like the look of concentration on your face in pic #4.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on November 15, 2010, 12:24:06 PM
You just HAD to draw attention to that grimace, didn't ya???!!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Zack on November 15, 2010, 02:00:02 PM
I had great weather this weekend--so I went flying--twice!

Went to White's field in Durham, CT. Field was a bit wetter than I would have liked--no issues with using DT fuse on swamp land. Dennis, who was helping his friend fly RC DLG, noticed I was actually flying Free Flight--so he walked across the wet field to introduce himself and give me the run down on all the indoor/outdoor free flight opportunities in the area.

Learned a lot about the 24" TLG I built--the wing seems plenty strong--flew it until I broke the DT hinge, which just became unglued.

Also lost the stab on my Sampson CLG--caught my finger during a low power launch. Just as well--it had way to much spar urethane. I need build some more catapult launchers so I can always using them at full power.

After helping my wife clean the oven and doing a really good job--she suggested I go out flying again, so I did. ;D

Went out to the nearby park--with kids practicing soccer it was too small for CLG, so my Pathfinder stayed in the car. Did some TLG soft tossing—got some glides of a couple hundred feet. Crunched the hinge pretty bad on a hard toss, actually breaking the plywood. Put the TLG in the car and got the Maxwell, with a forward wing DT. After a bunch of test flights I tried out the DT--looks like the plane hits a brick wall and tumbles down.

Repaired the hinge last night on the TLG, so it is flight worthy again. Better than new, as I reduced the lateral movement by using a pivot tube of just the right width, and holding everything together with a machine screw and pattern nut.

Zack


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on November 16, 2010, 04:49:28 PM
Fantastic
Wish I could find a place close to home that I could fly indoors!

George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on November 16, 2010, 05:20:32 PM
Jim it's great to see you back in form with your planes guy!!!!

I wish I could get the time to do some flying before the nasty weather hits here!

And I am still trying to catch up to the bone pile of unfinished planes yet, don't know when I will find time for that?

My brother-in-law is helping me put a new hotwater boiler in my house at the present time when we can get together with my son who is instructing us on the ins-and-outs of boiler installing --since he's a trained H&A tech with over 5 years of work in the field !!!!!

I have told him I will show him how to build planes again if he shows me how to do this install and he said ok ! He is laid up with a broken ankle and fibula so he can't do the work but he can tell us how to do the work so I told him he should go back into the business on his own and train some techs to work with him !

Sorry about being so gabby will shut up and read more !!
 George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Zack on November 16, 2010, 08:47:49 PM
My wife got a shot of me throwing the Bo Weevil TLG.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on November 18, 2010, 06:15:00 AM
Zack
How did it go with the launch guy?

George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Zack on November 18, 2010, 12:25:42 PM
Hi George,

The launch report was a couple of posts previous to the picture. I'm still sorting out issues with the gliders, but I think I'm pretty close. But, there are an awful lot of leaves on the ground after rain and high winds, so I may not get to do any flying this weekend...

Zack


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on November 18, 2010, 05:02:04 PM
Zack
This weather is not the greatest for flying or for playing out doors but they say better days are coming so we can keep up the hope that they are right!

Keep trying the stuff these guys tell you about the planes and it will be easy to get them flying!!

Be well and stay safe Sir!!
George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ykleetx on November 19, 2010, 06:18:44 PM
Hi Dave - here's a few more from the same night, including some of your new model - Jack's F1L - and Max's Manhattan

Tim, Dave,

In the last picture, is that F1L built according to Bill Gowen's 2010 F1L plans?

Thanks,
-Kang


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Olbill on November 19, 2010, 10:54:52 PM
Probably not but it's a really nice looking F1L!!!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on January 09, 2011, 09:18:12 AM
Hi
Saturday night was the first of our monthly Indoor meets for 2011. This was the first outing for Tim's (THB) new F1D as reported in his build thread here
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=4553.msg45384

Fellow HPA member Jack (metcalf) also had a new model, an own-design biplane canard, here is one of his flights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zWYJ9WCKFI

John's lovely KPOO powered Tiger Moth is seen here on its first flight for the night before the batteries were warm and it could gain its normal height.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3pymjSrZAQ

Finally is my 20" Polikarpov TIS that hasn't flown for 10 years, just saved from my clean out, it still looks good in the air.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MekRu0M-1s

The photo's show Tim's F1D and Jacks Biplane canard, and yes by the way Kang his F1L is built from the Bill Gowen plan.

Finally our venue has just had the floor resurfaced so we have to be careful with the Cyno and the Rubber lube.

Regards Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on January 09, 2011, 02:11:47 PM
Great viddies Dave. I especially liked them all.  ;D Though the canard bipe is quite something. Matt will go bonkers when he sees it.

Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lemuel on January 09, 2011, 04:44:24 PM
Bonk Bonk Bonk!! Nice canard. I have a few odd balls of my own at the moment.

Dave I like all those vidz, keep em coming. The Polikarpov is on rails.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ykleetx on January 09, 2011, 04:47:13 PM
Dave,

Thanks for sharing the photos and videos with us. Seeing you guys fly "down under" makes it seem as though we're not far away. I'll be sure to post more videos from my future flying sessions, as should everybody.

I'm thinking that Tim was keeping his F1D away from you guys flying the "fast and heavy" ships.

Thanks for your reply about Jack's F1L that was built form olbill's plans.

Have fun.

-Kang


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on January 10, 2011, 04:41:26 AM
A closer shot of the TIS - Dave makes twin motor flying look easy. Last time he made a single engine it was a contraprop anyway... I think he's forgotten how to make single prop planes... :)

Apologies for the blurry pic - here's two pistachios: Dave's Jodel and my own Davis Da-2A. I didn't get any decent video of the Jodel... this is one FAST flyer. And aerobatic... Finally - the inspiration for my F1D tail fin...

Kang - would love to see some more of your flying sessions. What is the best site for EZBs... Lakehurst? Tustin? Kibbie? And what sort of site do you usually fly in for testing etc?

... I remember pics ages ago of flying sessions at West Baden (http://video.smithville.net/?p=325) - wouldn't it be great to fly there!

Tim


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Tapio Linkosalo on January 10, 2011, 08:51:33 AM
Tim,

Like this? Had the opportunity to fly there in 2004. A nice site!
(That's my F1M circling the ceiling...)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on January 10, 2011, 12:54:45 PM
Definitely nice! Don't you just LOVE those plane catchers? How many aircraft has that central light fixture swallowed?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on January 10, 2011, 07:06:09 PM
Nice photos Tapio. You've had some great flying experiences!
As for the 'plane catcher' in the middle... architects - ever since the Pantheon - have delighted in creating hazards for indoor flyers...
... I'm sure they do it on purpose!
 :D

Tim


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Tapio Linkosalo on January 11, 2011, 03:31:54 AM
Pete,

it does not show too well in the pic, but the light fixture has a similar plastic "skirt" as the main disk in the roof (from what I've been told it is a band stand than can be lowered or pulled back to the roof). This skirt should keep models from dropping into the "cup" of the light fixture. I had some bad luck on that August 2004 trip; it seems that there was some crevice or some tape sticking from the skirt, as my model stuck there for good, and eventually when I managed to pull it out, one wing tip remained there for good. Luckily I had managed to make my good flights in F1M by then, actually my all time best F1M flight is still flown at West Baden in that session.

Foto from the fishing session was taken my Fred Tellier, with whom I had the pleasure to travel from Windsor down to West Baden and back. The other two F1D fliers you all probably know...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on January 11, 2011, 06:11:10 AM
Thanks Tapio,
I WAS wondering what that white "fogging" was...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on May 08, 2011, 02:26:34 PM
Some pictures from the weekend flying....

Regards Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on May 08, 2011, 02:28:23 PM
some more...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: crashcaley on May 08, 2011, 02:50:04 PM
rgroener,  Wow, some nice inflight pics.  Glad you got some airtime.  I just love the looks of that model.  I like chunky fuselage models.  They look cute.   :)  Caley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Orangepeal on May 08, 2011, 11:31:27 PM
I swapped the stock peck prop on my short-nosed FA Moth for a Gizmo Geezer freewheeler.  This is the first time I've flown it in about 7 months.  I'm using 1 loop of 3/16 and 1 loop of 1/8 super sport, each about 20".  I had about 8 flights this afternoon, starting with trimming at about 250 winds up to about a 1000.  Getting between 35 and 45 seconds, which is about as much as this field can take.  Plane is 42 grams without rubber.  Here's my last flight (motor gave while winding for the next one) as well as a couple of shots, 1 in the stooge I made yesterday (so I can quit bugging my daughter to "Please hold the plane for daddy...") and one I took after the landing in the parking lot in the attached video, here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiRgBbS1Zhw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on May 09, 2011, 01:40:36 AM
Great plane ang great flight. It looks if your plane likes the paved runways more than the gras strips ;)

Regards Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RolandD6 on May 09, 2011, 01:52:06 AM
I agree, great plane and great flight but those trees looked very close.

Paul


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on May 09, 2011, 04:59:03 PM
If I did a flight there I would need a chainsaw to get my plane back cause I only build planes that want to go back to the trees !!
 George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Orangepeal on May 09, 2011, 05:15:57 PM
I got lucky--2 of my flights ended in trees, but it was within arm's reach each time.  Actually, it skimmed a tree top on one flight and you could actually hear the tips of pine needles scrapping the bottom of the plane as it cleared the tree--I thought it was a goner for a second, but it flew through without any apparent problem.  I will definitely try to find a bigger field though . . .


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on May 10, 2011, 04:21:00 PM
That sonds like a good idea guy !!
George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on June 30, 2013, 02:15:39 PM
Redwing approaching the field after a nice evening cruise. Just got the landing clearance from the controller ;D

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on June 30, 2013, 06:30:05 PM
That thing looks almost like a full size plane guy -you did a good job of it !!
George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dave Andreski on June 30, 2013, 08:15:25 PM
Redwing approaching the field after a nice evening cruise. Just got the landing clearance from the controller ;D

Roman
Best looking Redwing I've seen. Yours flies like it's 'on rails'.
Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on July 01, 2013, 01:25:11 AM
Dimeflyer, it is the real aircraft.... ;) You just cant see the pilot because he is bending down to grab the landing chart from his bag ;D ::)
Dave, thanks. I had the flaw-filter on the camera. Therefore it looks better than it is ;) But I am happy with it. Especially because I built it in the last quick build challenge on SFA :D

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on September 26, 2013, 10:54:34 AM
What my 14 y.o. son would call a 'complete fail'.
It's been really windy here the last week/year so that even if you sit around and wait patiently for a calm moment...   you feel like the Maxell Man.




Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on September 26, 2013, 11:05:41 AM
So I just finished a double-size version of The Fly and noticed that it was dead calm outside.
Well that's good, but its like midnight. Everyone's gone to bed, except for a 50-year-old bloke on the front lawn test flying his model plane.
To escalate matters, he's also got his video camera with him... no pressure...
Well the plane took off round the front tree and across the road, made a nice circle, came back, I lost it in the view finder...  then it's climbing over the house...
The scene closes with 'shoulda-known-better' gent rescuing model from a roof top...
http://youtu.be/ZezzyzF5xmY
I will learn from this and know better in the future....    :-[



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on September 26, 2013, 11:47:46 AM
I usually do things like that about 2 to 3 in the morning ::).

Pete


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on September 27, 2013, 01:01:34 AM
Midnight? And what about aircraft noise....  ::)

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on September 27, 2013, 06:50:56 AM
Deafening Roman ;D
Good one Tim.

I had a similar fright with a Hanger Rat around 1.00am but fortunately the house next door is 2 stories and the flight ended just shy of the roof and it slid down the wall for a simple recovery.

Serious modellers test fly at night :D Best time for chuckies.

Though if you try testing errant untrained CHLG's in the twilight you may be faced with long recovery times. I spent 40 mins the other night finding my CHLG after a 15sec flight.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on September 27, 2013, 08:12:46 AM
Thanks for your support - I suspected I might not be the only nocturnal test pilot...   cheers Tim


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dimeflyer on September 28, 2013, 07:56:30 PM
Most of the guys won't fess up to it but I will  :-[ 1:am to 3:am is the only time I get a no wind stretch for the most times !
 my wife gets angry with me for being yup so late but at least the wind and road traffic is nil around 3:am so
   if I need to test I need to test right ?
George


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on September 29, 2013, 01:22:49 PM
No night flight... just in the middle of the saturday afternoon.
Took the Redwing and the Staggerwing to the field. Due the windy conditions, I didn't crank in too much winds. But the flying was fun anyway. Brought the two planes back in one piece :)
Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on September 29, 2013, 09:04:53 PM
Really evocative pics - both really nice looking aeroplanes and beautifully photographed.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FLYACE1946 on September 29, 2013, 10:46:59 PM
While out flying recently someone had a camera and took several pictures which have been put on  a disk and mailed to me. Please tell me how to transfer from the disk into the pc and on to HPA. I also have a set of pictures that were printed from the disk. Help me Please as I  hope to send these out for your review and discussion. We had a good time in San Antonio,Texas


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on September 30, 2013, 02:48:27 AM
Antonio
Looking  forward to your pics.

You probably have to resize the pictures before you can upload them to HPA.
Look here for some more information about it.  http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?board=85.0 (http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?board=85.0)

If they are small enough (<400k), you can browse and select them when writing your reply.
Look under the text window at "Attach: Browse..." there you can select the pictures to upload.

Hope that helps.

Roman




Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Widdog on September 30, 2013, 08:46:53 AM
Guillow's kit 509 with 1/16 " thick rubber x 4 loops or 8 strands x 2 length 6 inch PP Prop. http://youtu.be/aUMBwxJsBCo


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dave Andreski on September 30, 2013, 07:43:04 PM
WIDDOG,
You're having too much fun.
Flying experience is most helpful.
Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on October 08, 2013, 05:41:10 AM
Is there a name for that condition of anxiety that has you looking out of the window all afternoon to see if it's calm and to see if you are missing out on some good flying weather?

Tomorrow evening I am going to stand out in the middle of the field - I don't care if there's a hurricane forecast - and with the wind blowing the sunglasses off the top of my head - I'm going to launch an aeroplane no matter what...



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on October 08, 2013, 08:18:18 AM
Tim, you missed it, about 6.00pm tonight, it was dead calm and I was in the middle of some house painting, I was just waiting for your call so I had an excuse to stop. :(


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Penflex on October 09, 2013, 04:34:17 AM
At the recent 2013 Oudtshoorn scale event some Pilatus Porter models that was done as a group build

Regards
Mikkie


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Penflex on October 09, 2013, 04:41:50 AM
And the mass launch of the Porters and the Sparky


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on October 09, 2013, 05:09:40 AM
Great pics - looks like you had a lot of fun.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on October 09, 2013, 05:19:19 AM
Looks like a lot of fun with all that nice planes. The Pilatus Porter look very nice. What is the span and from what plan did you build?

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: marcin_pl on October 09, 2013, 06:49:52 AM
Penflex,

Your Pilatus looks really great! Could you show some more detailed photos of it?

Marcin


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on October 09, 2013, 03:06:31 PM
Flew my Norseman, p40 q and corsair in a firm breeze. All planes flew but the p40 got the worst of it cracking at the wing fillets.  My Norseman and corsair flew well at 300 turns and launched across the wind.  Flights lasted about ten. To fifteen seconds and flew about 200 feet.  No record breakers to be sure but hey, they flew

Jim


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on October 10, 2013, 02:31:27 AM
Jim, great to hear that you have a new flyer. Not every plane hase to be a record breaker ;)
Have fun   Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FLYACE1946 on October 12, 2013, 11:13:48 AM
Is there a name for that condition of anxiety that has you looking out of the window all afternoon to see if it's calm and to see if you are missing out on some good flying weather?

Tomorrow evening I am going to stand out in the middle of the field - I don't care if there's a hurricane forecast - and with the wind blowing the sunglasses off the top of my head - I'm going to launch an aeroplane no matter what...


I think the term may be REALITY..AT least it is for me


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on October 14, 2013, 02:16:28 PM
I used the calm afternoon for some more trimmflights with my Yak-3.
So here are the first pictures of the Yak in its element. Please ignore the red clay on the nose ;)

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on October 14, 2013, 02:19:31 PM
Some more...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Sky9pilot on October 15, 2013, 11:36:51 AM
Great pics Roman!  As always!  You're flying pictures are always inspiring and make me want to get out there and get something in the air.  Thanks again for sharing.  Looks like the horizontal stab is covered on the top only?  Is that a weight consideration?

Tom


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on October 15, 2013, 12:53:39 PM
Tom, thanks.
No, the stab is covered on both sides. In the picture the wood is shining through the white tissue ;)

Roman
Any cool project on your work bench?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slowfly55 on October 16, 2013, 02:41:14 PM
My Pilatus PC-6 1:60 finally got airborne: indoor, as it is too light for the windy weather
outdoor. It is mainly made from paper 50g/m2, has a span of 25,5 cm and a motor 20cm/0,65g/m. I am a little crazy about the Pilatus Turbo Porter and plan to do some
more paper models of this classic in different colour schemes and scales.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xvX_R6AeWA

Enjoy, slowfly55


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on October 17, 2013, 04:03:04 AM
Slowfly55, good to hear from you again. Your paper planes are amazing. The Porter in the movie seems to be a real flyer. Looking forward to your next project.
Did you finish your Balsa project? (Not sure, was it a Buecker you were building)

Best regards Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slowfly55 on October 17, 2013, 08:00:40 AM
Hi Roman
Nice to hear again from you. Yes, it is a good flyer and will be an even better one, when I change the pitch from 1:1,2 to 1:1,5. Some new and lighter Porters (40g/m2 paper) are already in the hangar.

The Bücker Jungman is not finished and will probably never be. I was not so busy as you with the balsa Flyers,
but I finished a P-20, a dime scale Nieuport and ..... as you ...... a YAK 3, also a favorite of mine. So your very well made YAK 3 has got a little brother , "ein Brüderrchen". It is not yet flying as yours and still needs some serious trimming.
Perhaps we should fly them together some day.
Best regards, slowfly55


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slowfly55 on October 17, 2013, 08:08:00 AM
Roman
Something went wrong with the pictures. Here the rest.
slowfly55


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on October 18, 2013, 03:26:31 AM
Slowfly55, very nice models. Your Yak looks very clean... Printed tissue looks great, but I dont have a colour printer :( You did also the 16" version?
Would be great to fly them together. We would need a calm nice day :) In what area do you live?

Here is a video of my last trim flight. I am lucky that the Yak is now circling nicely. In the beginning of the trimming, I had some nice flights, but nearly no turn. So my field was to small to give some more turns. Now I like it more. I had some head scratching while trimming mine. The glide was quite steep but glide tests showed that the CG is right. At the end, I even had to add a bit of clay to the nose. I assume that the glide is that deep due to the three blade propeller and its drag.

Do you have some pictures from the building process of your paper Porter? I would be interested in seeing how you can build a stiff structure with light paper to withstand the rubber power.

http://s340.photobucket.com/user/rgroener/media/Yak-3.mp4.html (http://s340.photobucket.com/user/rgroener/media/Yak-3.mp4.html)


Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slowfly55 on October 18, 2013, 09:22:24 AM
Hi Roman

Great video of your YAK 3. Regular circling and quite stable behaviour. I am far away from such fantastic flying
and already thought my YAK as hopeless. Now I see it is possible.

As to the Pilatus paperplanes: this is a long story. 4 years of experimenting with various papers, structures, glues and and ........ This PC-6 Red Cross is about the 50th paper plane and not the last one. I plan to do an article in the German magazine "Thermiksense" or the French magazine CERVIA about the building method and then also open an separate thread in this forum. But as you know, this is much more work than building a plane.Please be patient.
Best regards, slowfly55

Below some more Paper PC-6 pictures:


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on October 18, 2013, 01:48:13 PM
Slowfly55, they look very good. Looking forward to your thread. There are so many different techniques to build rubber powered planes... That's one of the great things of this hobby.
Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: jmetcalf on October 19, 2013, 07:36:17 PM
Tim... I think your problem is called 'obsessive compulsive disorder'... and I reckon I must have caught from you


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: atesus on October 19, 2013, 09:44:56 PM
Very nice Roman, that Yak-3 is both looking and flying great!

Slowfly55, I'm truly impressed by your paper models that fly, wow! I too will be looking forward to your thread.

--Ates


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on October 23, 2013, 05:35:06 PM
Hallo Slowfly55
Your Paper PC6 stayed 45 secs indoor !! Amazing & crazy Performance.
Your paper tiger has much more to offer than all these common paper tigers!!
Will your next PC6 beat this one ?

Dalat


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: yagua on October 31, 2013, 12:30:32 PM
Hello Slowfly55!
Please, you MUST start a thread about your flying paper planes!!!
How do you build them? where do you put reinforcements? what kind/size of rubber? Anxious people wanna know!!! (ok. Maybe it´s just me!!  ;D)
I think this might open a HUGE door for many people how likes aeromodeling, and have very dificult acces to balsa or tissue paper, or just looking for something diferent  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slowfly55 on November 01, 2013, 12:12:50 PM
Hello yagua,

Oops..... I talked about a building thread .... what a foolishness! But be ascertained, I'll do it. Some preparations have yet to be made. So please be patient.

I want to encourage everybody to build paper planes. But to be honest I must also tell you, that these
paperplanes are extremely light indoor models (the 1:60 PC-6 brings 2,1 -2,5g to the balance). Very thin paper in the 40 - 60g/m range is needed and rubber motors of 0,6 - 0,8g/m, otherwise they'll not fly or the light paper structure will crash. For me it was much more difficult to find such light paper - also producing good printing results - than to buy balsa. Perhaps you are lucky or the situation in your country is better. If you also have access to a rubber stripper, then I encourage you to give it a try. I hope the thread will give rise to many new ideas for better looking and better flying paper models.

Best regards, slowfly55


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on November 01, 2013, 02:34:00 PM
Hallo Slowfly55

For Modelers with reduced Access to high Quality paper 40 to 50 gr/m2, and not having precisions rubber stripper, in any case,
i suggest to try this gut flying Paper models " l'avion qui ne coùte rien ". Perhaps, Slowfly55, you still have the links to get a plan of this one.
Anyway, this model needs only common photocopy paper and already cut rubberband around 1/16" or even "chaining together" common rubber ring as we used to have in Office will do the Job... Low tech building materials with high flylng fun potential...Or else ?
Later on the Newcomer will have more required skill to build your paper PC6.

Regards

Dalat


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on December 13, 2013, 06:06:33 AM
Hi All
Have you ever seen a 6 inches Wingspan scale rubber drived ducted fan in flight ?  :D
And to this a F104G Starfighter ?  ;D

let us  :D  ;D  :o  together


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FLYACE1946 on December 13, 2013, 01:06:08 PM
Dalat no but now I have and boy I am impressed by your dedication to the project.

Wow it even looks like it is going straight up and do you know it was able to go as fast during it's climb as it could while flying straight and level? Remember it was called the rocket with a man inside. 8) 8) 8) 8)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on December 13, 2013, 05:07:04 PM
Flyace1946 no unfortunatly it did'nt continue to go straight up, but leveled 2 secs later ! it likes to Imitate his big brother and realised that his energy source ist only Rubber band FAITAN.   :'(


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on January 13, 2014, 03:33:34 AM
Nothing really news.... just some pictures of a yellow airplane in front of blue sky....
My worn our Bostonian Porter just flew great yesterday.

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slowfly55 on January 13, 2014, 12:12:27 PM
What a plane Roman, what a day, what a sky!!!
Did you really fly in Switzerland? Here in the north Sunday was foggy and all shades of grey.
Nobody would have come up with the idea of flying.

Best regards
slowfly55


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on January 14, 2014, 01:25:38 AM
Slowfly55, yes, in the area of lake zuerich it was beautiful and nearly calm. But you are right, I saw the clouds in your direction. This time I was on the lucky side. Next time it will be your turn ;)

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on June 09, 2014, 04:24:34 AM
Public Holiday Monday here in South Australia - went down to the local park with dputt7. An hour or so of calm air before the breeze got up..
In the video is: Dave's UFAG C1, Smeed glider, Alibass & THB's Sundancer & Potez.
In its wisdom, the local council has proposed converting this flying spot into a combo play equipment park, wetland, more carpark bays, etc etc... which will make future days like this a bit tricky.
This was a fun morning, though. Both Dave & I had technology issues with our cameras - so I tried to grab a few snippets on the phone camera.
cheers
Tim
http://youtu.be/AWDgcv8VkC8


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on June 09, 2014, 04:31:55 AM
That really is a zero-drift field! But it is an open space and so must be filled with something,
I would like to know more about the UFAG


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on June 09, 2014, 04:35:34 AM
Hi Bill - I hope I have the right aeroplane now...  Dave has a few from this era...   but I think it's the one he described here: http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=12544.0
cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on June 09, 2014, 06:36:02 AM
Tim rang me the day before to organise a fly that afternoon, however when the time came the wind was blowing so we called it off only for it to go calm again just before dark.  We were determined to have some flying over the weekend and managed an hour this morning before the wind picked up. I often think I should try and get into R/C so I could fly in weather unsuited to Free Flight, then you get an hour or so of good conditions an you soon realise that nothing compares to Free Flight. As Tim said I had trouble seeing the screen on my camera and all I managed were a few vids of Tim winding then flying out of camera, not very entertaining!  I read on here a couple of years ago about using a frame mounted to the camera to use as an aiming device, must give it a try. Thanks for the call Tim it made my weekend.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PeeTee on June 09, 2014, 06:46:23 AM
Well done chaps, and I echo Bill's comment about the apparent field size - the Ailbas flight was positively scary for the viewer as I felt sure it would end up in the trees.

Cheers

Peter


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on June 09, 2014, 07:37:59 AM
Looks like a good flying day. Very enjoyable little video. Thanks. I like the exotic sounding birdsong in the background too.(Exotic for us Brits that is!)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on June 09, 2014, 09:37:44 PM
That looked like a lot of fun Tim and Dave. I often use a local Wetland area for a bit of small RC and FF. Rarely has as little drift as seen in your video, and then I need to be tehre before the soccemites take over.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: korale on June 16, 2014, 01:01:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAEU4Ku4SYM

Bristol scout pistachio test flight.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on June 16, 2014, 01:45:37 AM
Beautiful flight Korale.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Richard Ewing on August 31, 2014, 01:53:09 AM
Early morning at wheat farm near Altamura.

I finally made flight with near max turns on my big greared P-30.  It climbs right, and also glides right.

Luigi let me try one of his many tip launch gliders.  I may be hooked.

Sorry, but no shots of Luigi's A1, (F1H?) and tip launch flights.  But we made some video that he may post.

 


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on August 31, 2014, 07:58:57 PM
A geared P30 sounds interesting Richard. What size motor and and what gears are you using?
john


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Richard Ewing on September 01, 2014, 11:43:00 AM
Motor is the same as my coupes, 22 or 24 strands of 1/16th, (about 9 inshes long I think).  Gears are from lego in a home made box, 3:1 ratio.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on September 01, 2014, 07:44:47 PM
Thanks Richard.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: nosedive100 on September 07, 2014, 08:31:02 AM
Nothing really news.... just some pictures of a yellow airplane in front of blue sky....
My worn our Bostonian Porter just flew great yesterday.

Roman
   Nice looking plane and the fly arounds really take to the sky imaging  :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: bcarter1234 on December 15, 2014, 09:51:55 AM
Resurrected a new old plane. This is a Pistachio M20b that I finished about 4-1/2 years ago and never actually flew under power. There is a build thread in the Pistachio forum. It is a great little plan, highly recommended if you want to build a Pistachio. They are incredibly fun to watch in flight.

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/bcarter1234/Cover6_zpsb8543cf9.jpg)

Sorry for the video quality but at least you can see it does fly pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL54QVAsVps   


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: bcarter1234 on December 15, 2014, 10:24:55 AM
We had great conditions here yesterday afternoon so I was able to test glide and do some trim flights on a Skylake Nieuport 11 Dime Scale. So far it does about 20 seconds on 400 winds in a 12 loop of 1/8" rubber. It need more down thrust so I'll make a new nose button before I fly again. Some black clay would help too.  :D

On the ground
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/bcarter1234/Skylakefinished_zps0197d4ac.jpg)
 
In flight
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/bcarter1234/Skylakeflying_zpse71e8eeb.jpg)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on December 15, 2014, 12:18:18 PM
bcarter,

 That pistachio looks really nice in flight (not surprised--you did a great job on it!)

 For your Nieuport, 20 seconds on 400 turns is great. That motor should take 1000 turns with ease, and 1200 should still be safe (with a blast tube). Should be quite a competitive model. Looks beautiful, too! Consider using lead instead of clay--more dense, and therefore easier to hide. ;)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: bcarter1234 on December 15, 2014, 02:29:10 PM
Maxout,

Thanks for the kind comments.

I was amazed out how easily the M20b flew. It literally flew a nice gently climbing circle on the first try. I'll ultimately have to build a new wing or recover this one as the tissue is continuing to shrink. I can only fly it when there is some moisture in the air. I'm inspired to revive some old threads as in the

Thanks for the tip on the lead. I'll probably carve a new prop for the Nieuport and then balance it, I'll go with lead at that point. I was pleased that the lead on the prop didn't seem to have terrible effects. 

Any suggestions on prop pitch and diameter?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: bcarter1234 on December 27, 2014, 10:27:17 AM
The smile induced by watching the Pistachio M20b finally flying inspired me to get another old project from 2010 to the test flight stage. I hope this is a trend for me as I have a lot of unfinished planes around. ;) 

I started several pink foam airplanes back then. A Napier Heston, Navy Wright Racer, GeeBee R1 and this Peanut scale Ju-52. Here was the status when I stopped building.

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/bcarter1234/Parts4_zps192aa79d.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/bcarter1234/Mock2_zps682ab41a.jpg)

Here is the flight video. The nacelles have been removed for test flights. Best flight so far is about 30 seconds on 1000 winds wih 4 strands of some really small rubber that Art356 sent me years ago. A single loop of 1/16" seems to be more than it needs. I need to buy a stripper and try something around .040-.050".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvbeZZ7cERc

I still need to decide how I'm going to finish it. I'd like to get some appearance of the corrugation. I may just end up painting it silver but I'm also considering printed tissue.



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on December 27, 2014, 05:59:29 PM
Really nice!  Could you post a pic of the prop you used?  I haven't been able to get any sort of powered flight out of my pistachio-sized, but with a models yet.  They glide ok but with a prop spinning they just flounder around...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: bcarter1234 on December 27, 2014, 09:36:54 PM
Pit,

I'm no expert but this seems to fly it very well. The blades and hub are balsa. Looking at it now there is very little twist in the blade from hub to tip. I'm guessing I formed them on a small cylinder. The outside diameter is 9cm/3.55".

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/bcarter1234/FrontPropeller_zpse0284b71.jpg)

I did the initial trim glides with no propeller. Once I established the correct CG using low speed and then fast glides I installed the prop and rubber. I recall it has 3deg down and 3deg right drilled into the nose block. It flew well on the first try. I had to decrease the down thrust very slightly with additional winds but it is a joy to see hovering around. I'm tempted to do the same plane as a Peanut.

Let me know if there is other information that would be useful to you.



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on December 28, 2014, 10:04:50 AM
OK, thanks!  I was trying to get away with a "normal" looking prop, but it seems these micro jobs work best with a Clemm (Sp?) style.  My diameter is the same @ 90mm, but may have too much area and are set at 45°.  Blades were formed on a 35mm film can.  Rubber is a loop of 1mm (0.039") of unknown origin about 2x HtP.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Hawkeye on December 28, 2014, 07:26:13 PM
This morning, I noticed the winds were fairly calm so I went to a nearby park to test my Easy Built Imp.   Weather was a bit cool here in Eastern Iowa, 26 degrees, but had a couple of good flights before my hands got to cold.   Next time I'll bring my gloves...

In the afternoon, I drove over to a high school gym that a group uses for indoor flying every Sunday.   Met a great group of guys and got some advice on trimming my plane.

Mark


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: bcarter1234 on February 12, 2015, 09:50:01 AM
I was able to take a bad picture from my phone while trimming the blue foam F4. I'll be adding a propeller to the front soon. I'm really thrilled as most evenings give about an hour of dead calm just before sunset. It lets me fly stuff that might be better suited to indoor. 
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/bcarter1234/20150211_173557_zps9qctptlm.jpg)

As I was preparing to launch a Dimescale Nieuport 11 I saw this rocket launch in from Kennedy space center.
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s307/bcarter1234/20150211_180619_zpss1btncwd.jpg)

I've got some grainy video of the Nieuport flight. I'll try to add a link later.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on February 12, 2015, 10:39:08 AM
I've seen some bad flying sites - all it needs is an alligator!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: bcarter1234 on February 23, 2015, 10:05:14 AM
Finally got a video from my phone of one of the foam F4's early trim flights. This was 1000 turns on an 18" loop of 3/32". It is very well behaved. It is interesting that it slows noticeably and the nose comes up at about 7 seconds into the video as the power drops. All up weight in this video was about 19 grams. 13" wingspan, 20" nose to tail. Now to make the spinner and canopy. I switched to a 18" loop of 1/8" later and got close to 30 seconds at about 30' maximum altitude. It just goes up and flies nice stable circles.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZWrqr5-zvE


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: IndoorFlyer on February 23, 2015, 10:29:29 AM
Very impressively well-behaved!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dosco on February 23, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
That F-4 flight was great!

-Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on February 23, 2015, 06:54:58 PM
Very nice flight BC. Very smooth.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: village boy on February 28, 2015, 02:31:41 AM
hmm... the first plane i ever tried to construct


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: village boy on February 28, 2015, 02:42:14 AM
the air frame


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dosco on February 28, 2015, 09:46:44 AM
hmm... the first plane i ever tried to construct

That's kind of neat! How does she fly?

-Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on March 01, 2015, 02:32:23 AM
Very good first effort VB. Do you have any one to help you?

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: village boy on March 02, 2015, 11:33:43 AM
no i have no one to help me, i only came across a rat on youtube and tried to do it, i was at trimming i come to know this forum. thanks


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: village boy on March 02, 2015, 12:03:51 PM
she flies 3sec, iam building a cockpit on her after i finished the covering i will send the pics


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: village boy on March 02, 2015, 12:12:18 PM
iam constructing a cockpit on the rat, i will send her pic in flight after covering. VB


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: bcarter1234 on March 15, 2015, 01:09:27 PM
Peanut Gee Bee from pink insulation foam. My regular high quality video process. Put the phone on the grass, start recording, launch plane, reach for phone, locate plane in flight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPIzmlximuA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPIzmlximuA)

I got in a half dozen flights of 12-13 seconds on 350 turns with a short loop of 3/32". The best flight times were 15 seconds on 500 turns. It still needs a good deal of trim work. More details are in the Foam Free Flight Builds thread. Current project is a Pistachio Spitfire. 


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on March 16, 2015, 08:13:22 AM
There was some flying yesterday, beautiful day, but a bit windy....

Here are the pics...

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on March 16, 2015, 08:14:40 AM
some more...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PeeTee on March 16, 2015, 09:30:47 AM
Roman

Are they all yours  ;) ?

Perfect photos as usual!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on March 16, 2015, 11:09:44 AM

Quote
Are they all yours  ?
PeeTee, you mean planes or pictures?
It's "No" for both possbilities ;D 
There was quite some wind. At least for us, maybe this wind would be normal for you ;)
I chickened out since most of my planes would fly like leaves in the wind on such a day.
My planes are closest to the photographer in the group picture.

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: village boy on March 16, 2015, 04:04:31 PM
nice pics... and the planes are great , well done....VB


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: zeebee on March 17, 2015, 10:35:26 AM
There was some flying yesterday, beautiful day, but a bit windy....

Here are the pics...

Roman

What is the name of the plane with the stick fuse and elliptical wings?

ZB


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on March 17, 2015, 01:47:19 PM
You mean the 'Banana Fritter' ?




Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: zeebee on March 17, 2015, 05:28:45 PM
Fourth pic on post 393 by rgroener


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: zeebee on March 17, 2015, 05:31:33 PM
This 'un ...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on March 18, 2015, 02:16:07 AM
ZB, It's a VFM Motte, a swiss model from 1943:
http://www.ig-albatros.ch/index.php/bauberichte-und-projekte/gummimotor-modelle/vfm-motte (http://www.ig-albatros.ch/index.php/bauberichte-und-projekte/gummimotor-modelle/vfm-motte)


Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: zeebee on March 18, 2015, 03:26:57 AM
Thank you so much!

Nice group of photos too.

zb


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: zeebee on March 18, 2015, 10:14:52 AM
What is the correct term for wings that curve upwards?

zb


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on March 18, 2015, 11:06:14 AM
What is the correct term for wings that curve upwards?

zb
Elliptical dihedral? Or Tomboy


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on March 20, 2015, 03:17:29 PM
I do like that Motte photo of Roman's. That characterful little model somehow looks like it's got a mind of its own, which is surprising for such a simple design.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: bcarter1234 on March 22, 2015, 03:27:41 PM
The evening was perfect for some video of the Peanut Gee Bee from insulation foam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-r-ancIIJQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-r-ancIIJQ)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: bcarter1234 on March 22, 2015, 04:24:06 PM
Also got some video of the foam prop powered F4. Time for a spinner, canopy and some paint.
https://youtu.be/sxSEluBMuhg (https://youtu.be/sxSEluBMuhg)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on March 23, 2015, 01:33:40 PM
Also got some video of the foam prop powered F4. Time for a spinner, canopy and some paint.
https://youtu.be/sxSEluBMuhg (https://youtu.be/sxSEluBMuhg)

Some nice flying! You're brave, though. Those trees look hungry, and is that a pond downwind of you? :o


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: bcarter1234 on March 23, 2015, 01:49:36 PM
Maxout,

The trees are a concern though of course the zoom on the phone camera compresses things a bit. It is why my "best" flights are around 30 seconds. Generally the models can do that amount of time while staying relatively close and low, even if a stray puff blows through. I've had to pluck at least two models, including the F4 out of the big tree in the video. Why do puffs always seem to disrupt a turn just in time to get the model headed to the worst obstacle in the area? You can see the F4 in the second flight get bumped twice keeping it headed toward the pond. At least with a foam plane a water landing would just entail waiting for it to come to the edge of the pond. My best "Footy" RC racing sailboats were made of the same material.

The advantage is the fact that this field is a one minute walk from my garage. For two more minutes walking I have a location that is roughly twice as wide and long. Maybe I can shoot for a whole minute there. :)

I'm still a novice when it comes to trimming so 30 seconds provides a great deal of satisfaction. I have to admit at this stage I'm also addicted to slower rather than faster flight. They just look so magical when they seem to be going too slow to provide adequate lift. That may change over time, I guess it better if I ever hope to fly in wind.   


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on March 24, 2015, 08:52:50 PM
Finally had a day where the wind was below gale force so I went flying. One of the longest flying days I've ever had - flew 6 planes in 6 hours - no one was in the field so it was hard to leave. Can't take photos while flying, but I did get a pre-flight shot of my Island Flyer (with RC rudder) next to some of the remaining snow. Glide looked good. 50 hand winds was a thrill, nice and level! Put in a little right thrust in the gizmogeezer, 200 hand winds was great, nice gentle turn, looks real stable! Was going to do one more with about 350 hand winds, then go to the winder, but ... the motor blew! I couldn't believe it, I've never had a motor blow on hand winds, always with the winder, and this motor can take about 1000 turns. Was dying to see how it would fly with 350 winds so, even with the fuse rips, I put in another motor and ... that motor also blew on slightly over 300 hand winds! I'm starting to think that letting the motors sit for about 2 hours in 25 F weather might not have been a good idea! I haven't had problems when it's in the 30's but I guess maybe going too much below freezing makes the rubber brittle? The coupe motors seemed OK, but they weren't sitting as long.

Fortunately, the IF is already in the repair shop, the structure was not damaged, so it's an easy patch job. I hope it's a little warmer the next calm day!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on April 21, 2015, 09:18:53 AM
It's Bills fault. His "I'm off to the flying field" comment spurred me into action, and so now my Storch has no wings! (Or rather it does, but they're no longer attached to its body)
Fresh from its stunning 19th place in Indoor Kit Scale, the plan was to see if I could get it to do anywhere near 30 seconds outside, ready for Outdoor Kit Scale in May. First couple of flights were quite promising- no dramas and circling left as expected to land on about 18 seconds. The only change I made to its indoor trim was just a tad of nose-weight on flight 2 (my models always seem to fly in a stallier way outdoors than indoors). For flight three, I upped the turns a bit more (to 780) and got the ipad out to film it. Spotting me do this, the wind gleefully picked up a bit! Here is the flight::
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRJjQbP7AyE

Actually, I was not at all surprised that the wings came off. They don't really have much area to hold on to and I feared that might happen out of doors. There is no damage really as they came away cleanly at the glue joints but I think I will make them deliberately knock-off before trying again. I'll check the rules again but I don't think this mod will cost me in Outdoor Kit Scale, and if I ever put it in an indoor KS contest again I will happily take the penalty.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on April 21, 2015, 09:51:15 AM
Ouch - why did it do that? Was it just the wind?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on April 21, 2015, 10:46:37 AM
I think so. It wasn't very windy really, but probably a bit gusty up there. The other two flights were not quite so high, but went off fine with no tendency to twitch or change direction.
The wing is sort of a one-piece, in that there is a piece of wire running along the spar between them and for a couple of rib bays on each side. The top glazing covers this, but I think if I make the top glazing part of the wing as well, and also firm it all up a bit, then I can make the whole caboodle plug in from the top and it can then be held down by the struts.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on April 21, 2015, 11:46:24 AM
Ouch - why did it do that? Was it just the wind?

It has too much washin in the left wing. Bump it far enough right to get the nose down, and the speed builds up and rolls it in. You can see that the left rudder trim is fighting to right it, but there's not enough dihedral effect to overcome the wing wash.

For what it's worth, F1D's exhibit the same behavior after ceiling bumps when they have too much wing wash.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on April 21, 2015, 12:00:53 PM
It's actually got a big (down) trim tab on the left wing. I can soon bend that up a bit and with a much wider circle possible outdoors perhaps all will be well. Thanks!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: daveh on April 21, 2015, 04:19:50 PM
Pete,

Nearly joined your club today when I went flying for the first time this year (because of my foot problems) with my Frog Goblin. Lovely calm conditions with just a slight breeze but soon after launch at about fifty feet it encountered some surprising turbulence resulting in a nearly upside-down model. But...... luckily it is one of my electric radio assist modified models so with a few panicky bits of stick waggling I got it back to earth without your Storch modification. Saved what was shaping up to be an otherwise unexciting day I suppose. As you say, probably all Bill's fault. 


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on April 21, 2015, 05:08:30 PM
Definitely Bill's fault, but I think he's done me a favour really as it will be a more robust model once it's got proper detachable wings, and easier to fit in a box too.

(It was good to meet you on Sunday, by the way)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on May 11, 2015, 02:33:17 PM
Today I used the calm and nice evening for some more trim flights with the Nakajima Ki-84 and the Chub.
The Chub did not agree with me about the new down thrust settings therefore I did not take any pictures of it :(

The Nakajima flew beautifully. The four blade prop was no real problem. Trimming this bird was very easy. The flight pattern is always stunning for me. Like on rails, scale like circling...
With the nice evening sun, it would have been a shame not to take any pictures. So here they are, I hope you like them.

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on May 11, 2015, 02:35:44 PM
some more...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: BitBucket on May 11, 2015, 03:05:47 PM
Roman,

Those pictures are beautiful. Perfect combination of plane, lighting and camera work.

Well done.

Paul


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: IndoorFlyer on May 11, 2015, 03:25:56 PM
Wow Roman,

That is superb!  I'm a sucker for lots of prop blades!  Glad to hear it flies so nicely.  Well done.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on May 11, 2015, 03:51:07 PM
Great model, great photos and that prop looks wonderful! Fantastic!

Sorry to hear you're still having Chub trouble though.


(Or should that be 'chubble'?  ::))


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Mooney on May 11, 2015, 04:00:41 PM
Really great flying photos.  And I'm not sure, are you photoshopping in that incredible weather?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Rich Moore on May 11, 2015, 04:01:07 PM
Beautiful photos.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on May 11, 2015, 07:14:51 PM
Great photos of a beautiful model Roman ... better luck next time out with the Chub  :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dosco on May 11, 2015, 11:04:15 PM
Those pictures are simply stunning. Well done and thanks for sharing.

-Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on May 12, 2015, 01:42:41 AM
Thanks all. Yesterday it was a lucky day ;D

Pete, no Problem, the Chub will be right in the end. I just saw that the new thrust setting wont work. So I stopped after two short flights to avoid any damage to the little chubby bird. I dont blame the plane, its more the pilot... ::)

Quote
  ...And I'm not sure, are you photoshopping in that incredible weather?
Mooney, No photoshopping, it was realy a beautiful day.. We had rain for more than two weeks :P I think there is no water left for any more rain ;)
It's good to have some sunny days now. And if the evening is calm to fly, its even better :D Should hold untin thursday...

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on May 13, 2015, 08:13:03 AM
Took my RUTANGO and Cloud Tramp and a couple of catagliders out on May 8th for the first FF outing this year.  Weather had been too lousy, or I was otherwise busy (those days were, naturally, perfect >:().

Light breezes with rather stiff gusts made me choose the CT for the first airings, and I got three fair flights (no video, unfortunately).  The gusts died down by about 17:30, so I prepped the RUTANGO with 500 turns on each motor and readied the camera.

The 'tango has (had?) a light left turn tendency so I launched, pointing toward the left edge of the raspberry thicket - about 150 meters from launch...  Flight was nearly perfect!  Very stable climb to about 8 meters and a PERFECT  :o >:( beeline toward the thicket!

You can guess the rest...

http://youtu.be/VrZxdFF39Ew


No damage!  Except what I did extricating the model from the middle of the dam*** bush - punching a hole and breaking a longeron in the fuselage.  The foreplane detached (as it is designed to do) and had to spend the night amongst the brambles, but I was able to fish (literally!) them out with a magnet tied to a line of a fishing pole - after hacking my way into the thicket.

First photo is the 'tango ready to go with 500 turns, and the others, the relatively minor damage to the fuselage


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on May 13, 2015, 12:16:33 PM
Exceptionally bad luck Pete.  It is amazing how trees and bushes seem to have exceptional magical powers that override any previous flight tendencies.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on May 13, 2015, 08:07:09 PM
That's lousy luck Pete. Better wave a chainsaw in the face of the bramble bush next time  ;D

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on May 14, 2015, 08:06:36 AM
Pete, looks promosing without the bush. Hope that it is an easy repair.
Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on May 14, 2015, 09:37:14 AM
Longeron is already fixed, with just a bit of tissue patching/replacement to do.  The break was clean, and as there is no load in that area (no rubber tension to worry about) it was a very simple fix.

I've added my pruning shears to my field kit ;).  Cutting a path to the canard bits with them was not difficult, taking about 40 minutes with no thorn to body or part(s) damage.  If I had chosen to take my neighbor's chain saw, I would have run into problems with the people who "harvest" the bush (even I grab about two buckets of berries every season ;D).

Reviewing the vid, I noticed that the plane HAD gone left shortly after launch (I release right-handed).  The wind had quartered with a gust/increased wind strength diverting the flight.  A rudder Gurney flap should provide added turn security.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on May 25, 2015, 02:26:07 PM
Had a nice Memorial day flying, not too windy. Here's the Bob White Coupe, really nice flyer, did over 3 minutes every flight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUwIUq37L2Y

Here's my Hell's Kitchen P30, really stable nice flyer, will make some comments in the P30 section:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdtXlUn5LDk

My own fault I hit the tree at the end!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on May 26, 2015, 01:08:45 AM
Flyguy, nice vids.
Do I understand it right, that your planes are RC?
It would be very brave to fly that high freeflight between those high buildings :)

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: John Boy Paddy on May 26, 2015, 03:13:15 AM
Longeron is already fixed, with just a bit of tissue patching/replacement to do.  The break was clean, and as there is no load in that area (no rubber tension to worry about) it was a very simple fix.

I've added my pruning shears to my field kit ;).  Cutting a path to the canard bits with them was not difficult, taking about 40 minutes with no thorn to body or part(s) damage.  If I had chosen to take my neighbor's chain saw, I would have run into problems with the people who "harvest" the bush (even I grab about two buckets of berries every season ;D).

Reviewing the vid, I noticed that the plane HAD gone left shortly after launch (I release right-handed).  The wind had quartered with a gust/increased wind strength diverting the flight.  A rudder Gurney flap should provide added turn security.


I have an Uncle in Southern Ireland and he uses a couple of goats to control bushes and brambles in his field, no one can complain if goats eat the berries first :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on May 26, 2015, 11:24:16 AM
Flyguy, nice vids.
Do I understand it right, that your planes are RC?
It would be very brave to fly that high freeflight between those high buildings :)

Roman

Thanks Roman. Yes, they have rudder-only RC, otherwise I can't even fly peanuts in this field, it's too small, can't DT either without ending up on a building or in the trees. In the P30 video, for ex, I don't touch the RC for the first 30 secs and you can see that it's already way out of the field and would end up far away over one of the buildings even if I DT'd, so I begin to make some turns to bring it back. Plus, instead of DT'ing, you get to enjoy long fun flights, as the videos show. My main interest is flying rubber power, I don't mind a little RC assist!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on May 27, 2015, 04:17:09 AM
Flyguy are you flying the P30 on a 10gm motor or larger? I'm impressed with the penetration - it seems adequate for light breezes. I enjoyed your videos and am still amazed that you fly so high amongst the Skyscrapers, with the possibility of the wind being much stronger above them.
John



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on May 27, 2015, 05:10:28 AM
Flyguy, thanks for the clarification. I thought it to be the only possibility to fly at your location.
Good to see that it works that nice!

roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on May 27, 2015, 12:16:34 PM
Flyguy are you flying the P30 on a 10gm motor or larger? I'm impressed with the penetration - it seems adequate for light breezes. I enjoyed your videos and am still amazed that you fly so high amongst the Skyscrapers, with the possibility of the wind being much stronger above them.
John

Thanks John. Yes, I'm using a 10 gram motor. Actually in this field the wind is lighter once you get up above about 100 feet; below that there are all sorts of cross-currents and it tends to be windier and harder to handle. In the flight in the video I had some problems getting into the right landing pattern, you have to come in just right to avoid the fence or trees. Nice part about the P30 though is that it's so light that it didn't get any damage when it hit the hungry tree!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Art356A on May 27, 2015, 01:02:06 PM
Larry, have you got a tutorial or a video posted anywhere that describes the radio installation?

art.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on May 27, 2015, 01:44:46 PM
Hi Art - I don't have any videos just about the radio installation, sorry about that, it pops up in other videos. So, if you go into the P30 video at about 8 minutes, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwc3eGVWm-o  , then that shows the equipment and installation, you can also see the installation in the Island Flyer video at about 10:11   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KE4UVgpc_U  I discuss the equipment I'm using in this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V-bxTQrTdQ

There's really not much to it - I just use 5 minute epoxy to glue-in the servo, then I just stuff the receiver and the battery in the pylon, it's usually tight enough where that's all you have to do, if it's loose then I stuff in a little foam or put a rubber band around the pylon. So nothing fancy, just glue in the servo, stuff in the equip and you're ready to go!



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: kukailimoku on May 28, 2015, 01:55:23 PM
Just a quick flyby of a heavily modified Oly 650 on a beautiful Hawaiian day (heavily, as in a 3.7 lb beast!).

https://youtu.be/2N2XgpOZ-iI (https://youtu.be/2N2XgpOZ-iI)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Mike Thomas on May 28, 2015, 07:28:37 PM
Was that a beautiful Hawaiian day at Makapu'u?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: kukailimoku on May 29, 2015, 01:25:41 PM
Was that a beautiful Hawaiian day at Makapu'u?

Yup, my favorite sailplane playground. I built that Oly specifically for it, upper surface fully sheeted, everything overbuilt, control surfaces 30% larger than the plan and extra throw in them both. Weighs in at a svelte 3.7 pounds.

That bowl can get booming enough to soar it upside down and there's nice soft naupaka to stuff into for a landing. I'm sure not going to try to CATCH that beast.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FLYACE1946 on May 29, 2015, 01:28:33 PM
Is that located on the North Shore of Oahua?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PeeTee on June 05, 2015, 10:14:23 AM
Roman

I note that you are starring in the latest issue of the Sticks & Tissue e-magazine. Winding your SE5A at a mid March session (I think), also with the Chub in a group photo. I was most impressed with what looked like 'proper' liquid refreshment after the session.

More please ;)

Peter


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: kukailimoku on June 05, 2015, 02:53:56 PM
Is that located on the North Shore of Oahua?

Windward side, faces about 060. I fly above Makapu'u beach, the light house is out on the point to my right. The hang gliders and paragliders soar the whole ridge.

https://vimeo.com/72574161 (https://vimeo.com/72574161)

Note the blastoff launch!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on June 14, 2015, 09:52:50 PM
Got a chance to do some flying in the back yard this evening after church. What beautiful weather at the Finn Aerodrome!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dosco on June 15, 2015, 02:26:20 PM
That's pretty sick.

The landings look a bit ... energetic.

Thanks for sharing, very cool indeed.

-Dave



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on June 15, 2015, 08:39:03 PM
That looks ideal Maxout. Great time to fly.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on June 16, 2015, 01:46:55 AM
Eveningtherapy, looks great!

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ILM Tarheel on June 21, 2015, 03:58:20 PM
Yesterday was the first chance I've had to fly my new Sand Box P-30. Sand Box is one of John Oldenkamp's  early P-30 designs and is a predecessor to his Hot Box design. Sand Box is said to be the first P-30 design published but only as a 3-view. I drafted the plan, a first for me, and built the model from the 3-view as a tribute to John.

My 13 year old grandson Matthew and I got to the sod farm near Raeford, NC about 08:30 am. We arrived early to try and beat the heat and the wind. Weather forecast was for 95 degrees and winds 15-20 mph by mid-day. The test glides went very smoothly requiring only a small nose weight reduction and a thin shim under the stab trailing edge. The 100 turns first launch indicated that I needed to take a little of the built in right thrust out so I shimmed the nose block. 200 turns produced a nice climbing turn that looked promising. Progressed through 300 and 400 turns on the motor and the only difference noted were progressively higher climbs. The 400 turns, about 1/2 power for the motor, gave a flight of over one minute. It was now 11:00 am and the sweat dripping off my nose and chin had become a hazard to the model. The wind had also increased along with the temperature so we thought it was best to quit while we were ahead.

A very satisfying and promising first test session. Hopefully higher power tests will go just as well. The Sand Box is nearly a forty year old design and with it's cracked rib wing design may not be competitive with newer models but it was a fun build. It looks like she will be fun to fly so what more could I ask for? Contests are only an excuse to go flying anyway! 

The photos were taken by Matthew. 


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on June 21, 2015, 04:08:17 PM
Sounds good.   400 turns is nowhere near half power for a P30 motor so it promises to be able to hold its own with most anything once trimmed to full torque


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dave Andreski on June 21, 2015, 05:48:25 PM
Yesterday was the first chance I've had to fly my new Sand Box P-30. Sand Box is one of John Oldenkamp's  early P-30 designs and is a predecessor to his Hot Box design. Sand Box is said to be the first P-30 design published but only as a 3-view. I drafted the plan, a first for me, and built the model from the 3-view as a tribute to John.

A very satisfying and promising first test session. Hopefully higher power tests will go just as well. The Sand Box is nearly a forty year old design and with it's cracked rib wing design may not be competitive with newer models but it was a fun build. It looks like she will be fun to fly so what more could I ask for? Contests are only an excuse to go flying anyway! 

The photos were taken by Matthew. 

Nice goin' Jimmy J.
Looked like a great day of flying.
Are you using the motor called out for on the plan/ 3-view, i.e. 4 strands of 3/16?
The 800 turns recommended may be less than what today's rubber can take.
Your Sandbox seems to have a lot more potential.
I hope you don't lose it in a thermal. Any plans for a DT before going on with trimming/flying?
Thanks,
Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on June 21, 2015, 07:49:50 PM
Sounds like a great morning JLM. its interesting to see how well these early designs performed.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ILM Tarheel on June 21, 2015, 08:21:58 PM
Dave,

I used 8 strands of 3/32 (same cross section as 4 X 3/16). Over time that has become my favorite 10g P-30 motor. With the batch of rubber I am using this motor breaks at 1030 to 1050 turns, so my 400 turns flight was a little less than 40% of maximum turns available. As we all know turn count is not a measure of power, torque is. With this motor torque is still relatively low at 400 turns and is not nearly half the power available. My use of the term half power is an old habit developed from the type of flying I do. My home field is a very marginal 2 minute site, more like a good 90 second site so winding to maximum is usually not necessary or a good idea. Winding to a conservative turn count is good enough because winding to maximum just to DT early is unnecessary wear and tear on the motor. If I were flying the King Orange on their big field I would most definitely us my torque meter. Even being conservative I will occasionally loose a model to the surrounding "deep woods". So to answer your question, DT is installed and used.

One thing I have already noticed is that the 8 strand 3/32 motor is a little short for the as built hook to peg length. I'm using the simple ramp style free wheeler and run down tension is a little more than I like. I may have to move the peg location forward or go to a longer 6 strand 1/8 motor. Of course there is the GizmoGeezer front end that would work well with the tension. Time will tell.

New toys are fun!  

Jimmy J


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dave Andreski on June 22, 2015, 06:03:07 PM
Thanks again Jimmy J.
Keep up the good work and try not to lose this fine flying machine.
Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ILM Tarheel on July 19, 2015, 05:36:39 PM
I had the chance to go back to my club's flying site (2 hour drive) and continue testing my newly built Sandbox II P-30 (see post 454). Flying conditions were much better than last time so full power tests were possible. Beautiful high climb and nice smooth floating glide. I've never had a new model fly as well as this one has right off the building board. To be safe the DT was set at 90 seconds and both flights DTed while still at altitude. Would easily have maxed at two minutes if the DT had been set longer but that would really push the limits of our field. After only two flights she was carefully packed into her box and for safe keeping until our next contest. I hope your next build is as much fun as this one has been for me!

Sorry, no pictures this time. My grandson is usually the photographer but he is attending Boy Scout summer camp.

Jimmy J   


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dave Andreski on July 19, 2015, 05:44:00 PM
Thanks Jimmy!
Nice report.
Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on July 19, 2015, 08:07:10 PM
Thanks for the report Jimmy. It makes me more than a bit curious about John's early designs.
happy flying.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FLYACE1946 on July 21, 2015, 12:52:27 PM
Got a chance to do some flying in the back yard this evening after church. What beautiful weather at the Finn Aerodrome!
What models are you flying in the attached photo's?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on July 21, 2015, 09:38:08 PM
What models are you flying in the attached photo's?
In order: Garami Indoor Moth, Peanut scale TNCA Microplano, and Maxout IX embryo.

Wish I could have flown this evening, but there was a bit of a breeze, same as last night...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FLYACE1946 on July 21, 2015, 10:21:42 PM
Thanks for the information. I wanted to go out this evening but was just too breezy.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on August 09, 2015, 01:11:21 PM
I've been getting a fair amount of flight time on my Mott lately, and decided to pull out Hodson's PEG 54 this evening so we could video both of them. Naturally the Mott decided to misbehave, but it still looks cool in the air. For those of you who haven't seen a twin pusher in flight before, enjoy!

Mott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZOe8OvGjXw

PEG 54: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocLEXJgUdoU


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on August 10, 2015, 09:13:28 PM
Thanks for that Joshua. They almost seem to have a mind of their own. Do you set up the power turn with different torque settings on the motors or change the side thrust?

The canards look small on these old A frame models.

cheers
John



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on August 11, 2015, 07:30:42 AM
Thanks for that Joshua. They almost seem to have a mind of their own. Do you set up the power turn with different torque settings on the motors or change the side thrust?

I just wind them to the same number of winds. Their turning circles are pretty reliable, set with warps and such. They never spiral in, though, so there's only so much that can go wrong. I need to remove some incidence on the Mott, though, and adjust the wing warps...that left turn under power is a bit too tight, and I could get a lot more altitude without it. I need to get it out to our R/C club's field and wind it up a bit more...should be quite entertaining on 1200 turns/motor.

The canards look small on these old A frame models.

The PEG 54 does have a rather small canard, offset by how long the model is. Mott's canard is pretty healthy in size. Some are of course much larger, such as the Simmers design. Mott is by far the easiest to build, and provided you're in light winds, the easiest to fly.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on August 12, 2015, 02:58:52 AM
Thanks for that.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: outofbalance on August 12, 2015, 09:28:44 AM
Hi Hermit,

I enjoyed your May 2008 post of the Fairchild 71. In 2012, a Saudi Aramco pilot working for Saudi Aramco (obviously) contacted me because I have a website related to ARAMCO, Arabian American Oil Company. His supervisor tasked him with a collateral duty of redefining the early years of ARAMCO aviation. And, the Fairchild 71 was the first airplane ARAMCO owned. In the 1930s, this airplane was bought at Hagerstown, MD, sent to New York, and shipped to Jabail, Saudi Arabia. Three men put the airplane together and began flying the F 71 on photo/mapping sorties to fix exact positions of the new petroleum concession awarded to ARAMCO. The following year, a new engine was swapped out, and eventually the airplane came to Dhahran. ARAMCO added other airplanes, smaller four place models. Since 2012, most of the facts of early ARAMCO airplanes have surfaced in this fact-finding venture, BUT one, the whereabout of the old F 71. Some folks think they know, but the evidence is sketchy. Nice, that you built the F 71 model (nice photos by the way); where did you get the plans? I finished an Interstate Cadet last year and I would like to build an F 71 for old time sake since I grew up in Dhahran and used to play in the skeletal fuselage which may have been the old Fairchild Seventy One.

Outofbalance


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on August 12, 2015, 11:24:03 AM
Hi Hermit,

......

Outofbalance

Some very cool history there.

Sad news is I don't think Hermit is active here anymore. I don't remember seeing any posts from him on any of the model aircraft forums in the past several years.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: daveh on August 16, 2015, 03:33:16 PM
The last two evenings here have been flat calm and about 65 degrees F (or about 17 degrees Napoleon) with clear blue skies so I took my little electric R/C modified KK Eaglet and Frog Tomtit to the local park for a few flights. As a bonus, the grass has just been cut and is so smooth that even with their little 1" wheels the models were able to ROG - all in all total bliss. No pictures I'm afraid as I haven't mastered flying with one hand and using the camera with the other but I thought I'd share the all too rare experience of this summer in England.

Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on August 17, 2015, 08:53:09 PM
I hope you get a few more chances before the end of summer Dave. It's 18deg c here today - 20 yesterday. Way too much wind though.

john


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on August 18, 2015, 11:40:08 AM
Had a blast flying this critter last night. A 1942 Farthing Lightweight. Weighs next to nothing. Right now it's a piece of true heresy what with that Peck 9.5 up front, but I'll get the 16" single blade on there eventually. Flight times were over 90 seconds in the back yard thanks to it being light enough to stay within the bounds.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: daveh on August 18, 2015, 04:07:25 PM
I hope you get a few more chances before the end of summer Dave. It's 18deg c here today - 20 yesterday. Way too much wind though.

john

Thanks John. I hope that you get a more flyable summer when it comes round than we've had so far. Mind you, there's still the possibility of one of the good old Indian summers that we keep promising ourselves. Whereabouts in Oz are you?

Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on August 18, 2015, 11:18:49 PM
Sydney Dave. A suburb called Rockdale very close to Kingsford Smith Airport.

Cheers
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slowfly55 on September 14, 2015, 02:14:03 PM
I profited of the calm weather we had for some days and made some flights with two older models getting dusty in the box:

- a Peck-Polymer P-51 Mustang with Swiss colours, that I had retrimmed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCpzcp2IdzE

-a half-size Gollywock with a new 7" prop (plans AeroModeller).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf0UyqGiSQ0

Enjoy, Peter


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on September 14, 2015, 03:12:31 PM
I profited of the calm weather we had for some days and made some flights with two older models getting dusty in the box:

- a Peck-Polymer P-51 Mustang with Swiss colours, that I had retrimmed:
-a half-size Gollywock with a new 7" prop (plans AeroModeller).

Enjoy, Peter

Two nice flights.  Was there a freewheel on the P51 prop?  What size (weight and strands) of rubber?  I always use a rubber band to hold the nose-block in if the rubber can hang out of the front of the fuselage although I suppose you can save weight on a D/T.
Ralph


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on September 15, 2015, 03:05:45 AM
Peter, very nice flights. I am sure you were nervous when your 1/2 Gollywook came that close to the building ;)
Hope to see them soon in Frauenfeld ;D

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slowfly55 on September 15, 2015, 08:05:16 AM
Thanks Ralph and Roman,

To answer your questions:
Yes, both have a freewheeling device. On the Mustang the prop-block must also have fallen out, otherwise it should have done some more seconds when the motor hat run out. On the Gollywock it worked in a earlier flight, as can
be seen in another video on my channel, because the nose block didn't fall out. So it was really big luck, that it got loose exactly in this thermal flight. So much luck doesn't happen twice, so I left the field immediately. I'don't intend to further rely on this dethermalizer method and 'll fix the noseblock next time with a rubber band.
The motor used in the P-51 was 1,95g/m 300mm TAN, 1600 turns.

Roman, I was strangely enough not nervous, but fatalistic and had my Gollywock already written off, as there was no chance to find it in this industrial zone.

Peter


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on September 15, 2015, 02:58:17 PM
Hallo Peter

Your both flying sessions suggest me to do the same with my 30 years old Peanut P39 D Airacobra.
This one is still whole, just the green camo stays not that intensive like way back in the 80' in Flemalle (Belgium)
Congratulations for your good landings.

Dalat


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: marcin_pl on September 16, 2015, 04:13:20 AM
Yesterday we had almost 30 degrees Celsius and absolutely calm weather, so I decided to take my 25 years old plane for a flight. It's my own design with a CO2 engine. Despite it's old age it flies great and is still in continous use. During it's long service it survived many crashes and even spent a week on a roof of the house in the vicinity of my old flying field.

Marcin


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slowfly55 on September 16, 2015, 04:40:26 AM
Well done, Marcin, nice pictures.

Yes Dalat, absorbed by our new projects we often tend to forget our old birds. And forget too, that we are building for flying. Such warm and calm days, as Marcin and I had recently, are a wonderful opportunity to give our museum pieces a new life.

Peter


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on September 16, 2015, 09:10:35 AM
You say it Peter, These planes are made for flying.
My P39D was repaired last night and updated with These Trimmings tips, i've learnt since 30 Years.
This Morning in windless conditions,The first test fly with 1.7gm FaiTan, Hand wound 300 t, Shows
a slow rising stable fly path (many times better than for 30 years.), very similar to your last Mustang
trimming session, perhaps a little bit slower. with his huge wing area (scale) reaching 2 dm2 !
I hope that we can in the future do a Formation fly P51D + P39D Peanut together.
The followings Fotos Shows this restored 30 years or more old P39D.

Dalat


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on September 17, 2015, 03:30:10 AM
Marcin, great pics, seems that you picked a very nice day on the field.

Dalat, nice looking P39D. Hope to see it flying with Peters Mustang. Looking forward to see more of your old birds flying again.

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on September 17, 2015, 05:24:42 AM
Hallo Roman

NIce to hear/read from you...I hope to see soon and enjoy this in advance , in Frauenfeld, with accordingly weather, all These cool poeples like Alfred, Dieter, Peter, You and perhaps otherones, with their beautiful flying machines.
When the weather conditions will allow, I would like to do some P20 and Scale (Mustang,Airacobra perhaps your Yak3 and others) Formation Flying not exactly like FAC Masslaunch Event. We have once done this indoor scale in Uni-Zürich with Dieter, René, Alfred, Wener and Peter in
the 80' !

Dalat


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on September 21, 2015, 06:50:39 AM
The Timperley MFC runs a variety of contests on a two weekly basis through the year from March to December (with a 4 week pause at the annual horticultural show in June/July).  Last week was "Up to 55" Glider".  My choice for the contest was the Kiel Kraft CAPRICE and sadly I snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by just 1 second - beaten by another CAPRICE.  For a bit of diversion I took my BREVITY tailless glider (or flying wing) in case I had time to get it in the air.  I completed it some time ago but apart from a few hand launches hadn't tried it on 50m line.  Much to my surprise it was a steady performer on the line and flew nicely in our typical gusty and turbulent conditions.  If I had used it as my third competition flight I would have won the competition by about 12 seconds!

The BREVITY was designed by John Chinn and was published in the Model Aircraft magazine in 1949.  John Chinn also reviewed the constant stream of model engines at that time in, I think, the same magazine.

I haven't seen many tailless designs on this site, so I thought I would share this.  Just think no fuselage or tailplane to make. 

Apologies for the cluttered photo - just the normal chaos in the pits at our contests. 


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: faif2d on September 21, 2015, 09:59:33 AM
I like the looks of the brevity glider.  Is that plan on the web anywhere??


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on September 21, 2015, 11:52:35 AM
John Chinn also reviewed the constant stream of model engines at that time in, I think, the same magazine.

Had second thoughts and realised that the engine reviewer was Peter Chinn - well it was a long time ago.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on September 21, 2015, 12:14:11 PM
I like the looks of the brevity glider.  Is that plan on the web anywhere??

I can't see it in the Builder's Plan Gallery here or Outerzone.  The Model Aircraft magazine was the official Journal of the Society of Model Aeronautical Engineers known as the SMAE which has become the BMFA - dumbed down!  I don't know about copyright and I doubt that the plan would be available from the BMFA.  Someone may be able to help.




Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: faif2d on September 21, 2015, 05:35:59 PM
After I asked I went and looked at both of those places.  I may go ask on the RC groups old time plans group thread.  They have come up with some great stuff.  Thanks for the input!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dosco on September 22, 2015, 08:21:32 PM
I can't see it in the Builder's Plan Gallery here or Outerzone.  The Model Aircraft magazine was the official Journal of the Society of Model Aeronautical Engineers known as the SMAE which has become the BMFA - dumbed down!  I don't know about copyright and I doubt that the plan would be available from the BMFA.  Someone may be able to help.


Why don't you scan the plans?

-Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on September 23, 2015, 05:20:04 AM
I can't see it in the Builder's Plan Gallery here or Outerzone.  The Model Aircraft magazine was the official Journal of the Society of Model Aeronautical Engineers known as the SMAE which has become the BMFA - dumbed down!  I don't know about copyright and I doubt that the plan would be available from the BMFA.  Someone may be able to help.


Why don't you scan the plans?

-Dave


What file format is needed for uploading?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dosco on September 23, 2015, 05:45:01 AM

What file format is needed for uploading?


PDF. If you can't do PDF, perhaps Ratz can help you convert any file(s).

-Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on September 23, 2015, 10:42:07 AM
 ;D  JOY! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)  I NOW HAVE 6 FLIGHTS FOR THE WESTFAC POSTAL.  The ME109 flew for 17 and 18 seconds in completely dead air and it was perfectly trimmed.  a very gentle breeze might get another 5 sec or so. but these flights were level and completely under control so i am very happy with this plane.  i have tried flying under windier conditions; the plane is much too sensitive, it will get bounced around before being driven into the ground. just a puff of air could get it higher for a competitive flight as it is it circles at about 12 to 15ft altitude and motors around.  a slow flier it is not!

jim ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: faif2d on September 23, 2015, 11:42:19 AM
Thanks to VERY nice folks over on RC groups old time plans group thread.  The plans of the Brevity glider are now available as a PDF.  It should be on the last or next to last page #971 reply 14564.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on September 23, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
 ;D  the wind came up this afternoon to a moderate breeze, a bit gusty at times. the result is that i did get some decent flights, the best being 18 seconds.  the plane did use most of a football field as it circled about.  it did fly level under most circumstances.  it did climb a bit higher as the wind caught under it but with the wind behind it it moved like a rocket and when the band ran out down she came like a brick.  launching it into the wind is a bad idea, it will climb then stall immediately and crash. the best plan is to launch at 45 to 90 degrees into the wing and let the wind lift it on the downleg as it turns into the wind the plane will be lifted up some more and turned. finally as power is removed down she comes.  the tail broke up but is not damaged.  i just have to put it together again  ::)

jim ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on September 23, 2015, 03:32:50 PM
Thanks to VERY nice folks over on RC groups old time plans group thread.  The plans of the Brevity glider are now available as a PDF.  It should be on the last or next to last page #971 reply 14564.

Thanks for this post.  I did get a scanned file of the plan and submitted it for the Plan Gallery.  The RC groups thread however, includes the write up that I hadn't seen but I agree with the comments about glide angle and towing speed.  Thanks faif2d


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on September 24, 2015, 07:18:40 AM
Brevity plan now in the Builder's Plan gallery in outdoor gliders.  Scan courtesy of http://www.aeroplans.webspace.virginmedia.com/  -  loads of scale documentation.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on October 03, 2015, 10:33:44 AM
During a lovely patch of Indian summer - warm and still - we have had another competition day at our flying field.  This week we had competitions for Open Power and Hand and Catapult launched gliders.  We are all retired and sadly there are dwindling numbers but we still have a great time.  I have never flown power models apart from a scale model and R/C models so know nothing about them.  Check the video and you will see that I am not on my own in this regard.  The CLG contest was better supported and I managed to scrape home the winner again with my Hoosier Kittens.  The video shows problems with power, first powered flight of a 25" Senator, a bit of distraction that came along and general shots of our beautiful site.  This is the first "edited" video that I have tried so don't be too severe in comments.  Also my first time with y..t.be.  Hope it works.

Ralph

https://youtu.be/wos7uezbmDM     


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PeeTee on October 03, 2015, 12:58:51 PM
Pretty good Ralph. Offer it to the Beeb as a mix of "Last of the Summer Wine" and "Men Behaving badly"  ::) ;D

It's the Coupe Europa at MW tomorrow where I'll be airing your excellent prop hub............having just rescued it from a tree in the local park  :(

Peter


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on October 03, 2015, 01:39:33 PM
Pretty good Ralph. Offer it to the Beeb as a mix of "Last of the Summer Wine" and "Men Behaving badly"  ::) ;D

It's the Coupe Europa at MW tomorrow where I'll be airing your excellent prop hub............having just rescued it from a tree in the local park  :(

Peter

 ;D          Best of luck at the Coupe Europa - remember to stretch the VIT time - always worked for me.  Get some pictures.

Ralph


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PeeTee on October 03, 2015, 02:25:12 PM
VIT wossat? Sorta PGI for moi, none of this technical stuff with gadgets.

Having resued the model once I waited for the footballers to depart and went back at dusk - I'd added a bit more right thrust. This time, with no apparent drift, I managed to stick it in another Horse Chestnut, about 30 feet up and was reconciled to not flying it tomorrow. I walked home, got my 30ish foot fishing pole, and in the dark somehow managed to dislodge the model without damage. I just wonder what fate awaits me tomorrow ::)

Peter


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 04, 2015, 04:17:13 AM
That was an entertaining video Ralph. It looked great flying weather – a bit breezy perhaps and with lots of white robed small spectators.
I loved the power flight with a tight loop at ground level.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on October 04, 2015, 04:44:48 AM
That was an entertaining video Ralph. It looked great flying weather – a bit breezy perhaps and with lots of white robed small spectators.
I loved the power flight with a tight loop at ground level.
John


Thanks John,  That wasn't breezy, that was near flat calm for us!  As well as the grass nibblers there are herds of big red deer and the smaller bambi type.  I always hope that I don't DT onto a red deer's horns.
Ralph


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on October 16, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
Here is another video showing the Timperley MFC at play. Autumn has arrived and it was cold with winds of between 12 and 14 mph with gusts up to 15 - 16 mph.  We have 16 comps through the season and the Coupe comp is the last of the official events.  Although this is supposed to be a wet part of the UK we have held all the scheduled contests on the appointed day - so it can't be that bad.

We were restricted in the distance we could go upwind because the red deer were there first.  It is rutting time and there are several notices warning the public to keep away from them.  At times they made awful noises and the clash of horns could be heard.

The usual mix of models were flying. We decided to stick with the 2 minute max and fliers had to make a judgement on their D/T time - no RDT here!

I kept my carbon coupes in the box and relied on my Vintage LE JUMP - bis using old Tan 2 rubber that had high torque on fewer turns than my preferred Super Sport.  Another LE JUMP (red wing) was flown for the first time and improved with each flight. A bitsa, using a Senator wing illustrates the danger of left hand turn on high power.  Some models nearly reached the distant trees at about 2 minutes.  A couple of flights went over the trees into clear grass (although mine was within 10' of a large lake) and my last flight ended 25' up a small tree and was retrieved with no damage using aluminium plug-together poles. My model is the yellow winged LE JUMP - bis.  It flew very well.  ;)  Video on youtube here   https://youtu.be/CMY6AyyDyxA  


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 16, 2015, 08:36:17 PM
Thanks for the video Ralph. Nice large site.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on October 17, 2015, 05:55:25 AM
Thanks for the video Ralph. Nice large site.
John

Thanks John.  We fly on what is known as the Flying Field which was constructed by Maurice, Lord Egerton.  He knew the Wright brothers and learned to fly on Short made aircraft about 1909.  His detailed diaries/flight log are here -
 http://www.eastchurchpc.kentparishes.gov.uk/userfiles/File/The_Pilots_Log_Book_of_Maurice_Egerton_2.pdf       

The Flying Field is only a small part of the estate.  He was a complex character who never married and hence the end of the line.  He died in 1958 and I have met people who came across him on the estate.  They all say that they thought he was one of the estate workers.  During his life the only outsiders allowed in the park were Boy Scouts and model fliers.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 18, 2015, 06:53:59 PM
That's a fascinating bit of history Ralph. I hope you fellows can always fly there.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on October 19, 2015, 05:47:27 AM
It was our comp for the Selby Trophy yesterday at North Luffenham. Good conditions, seven turned up - the usual supporters. Some excellent flying, here is Ray Hall's BA Swallow before the engine picked up and it started looping at 300 feet!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on October 19, 2015, 06:46:04 AM
Ray Hall's BA Swallow before the engine picked up and it started looping at 300 feet!

Was the original cleared for that sort of flight?  If so I hope Ray got extra points.  Who won the contest?

Ralph



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on October 19, 2015, 08:55:41 AM
Ralph, Andrew Hewitt won both Kit Scale (Veron D8) and the Selby (Aeromodeller Camel) but it was all very close. My favourite was Billy Hanshaw's Stosser - great flyer


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on October 19, 2015, 02:07:06 PM
Really disappointed not to make it on Sunday .... North Luffenham is the closest venue for me, so no excuses travel wise.
I should be at work on a Sunday so the pressure is always there ... I need to increase my work output so it makes it even harder for me :(

Good to hear that it did go ahead though, even if with smaller numbers.

With the Indoor Scale RC Nats this coming weekend and Impington the next, I'm still not sure that I can get to both.
It's great that there is this number of events in October, but choices are having to be made more often than I would like lately.




Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on October 19, 2015, 03:08:54 PM
For future reference, is there rubber scale at N Luffenham, apart from the Kit Scale comp I mean?
It fell on our wedding anniversary this year so couldn't have come this time, especially as I'm planning on Shawbury next Sunday, the Velodrome the weekend after and Nijmegen two weeks after that!
(Been to 8 outdoor events this summer as well. Maybe I'm overdoing it!  ;D)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on October 19, 2015, 04:00:57 PM
Pete, are you getting the scale emails? The Selby is for all classes combined, plus Kit Scale. We don't get enough support to run separate events.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on October 19, 2015, 04:47:53 PM
I do usually get them, though haven't noticed one recently. All in together's fine by me, just so long as I can fly.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on October 19, 2015, 04:53:51 PM
I just seem to be locked in a 'one indoor scale model per year' cycle ... at best. I hope to break that without sacrificing the indoor stuff, so that I can support the outdoor events more.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on October 19, 2015, 06:31:41 PM
Forecast was for near-freezing temperatures this morning, so that's a good day for flying because it's unlikely any teams will show up to use the field! Got in 4 hours (sore as heck now) and flew 4 planes - Pacific Ace, Black Bullet, Island Flyer, Winterhawk 4 Coupe. First two are close to trimmed, I'm impressed with the climb on the BB, it really is a bullet; too windy for Island Flyer. BB ended up in the trees, but I got it down with my extending pole. Once the wind really picked up, I went to my 2 year old W4 Coupe, first photo - it's a little heavier so I like to fly it when it's windy. It's already been through hell and back anyway (e.g., 3 days in a tree)!

Two new things -. I was using my Andriukov wake winder for the coupes, but was blowing motors like crazy; Tmat has mentioned exactly the same problem in another thread, so I finally broke down and bought the Blazhevych F1G winder, right photo. Wow, I was surprised at how smooth the gears are, didn't blow any motors this time!

Since I rarely get to make flying videos (need both hands) I tried using a head-mounted camera. Not comfortable but it works! Finally got a video of my old W4 in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBAs-aAt_Mw

Distracting to fly with the head cam on, but at least I finally got a video of the W4! Also, although it was windy and only about 38 degrees F, there are clearly thermals around, I actually had to steer out of one when the flight seemed long enough! Good day flying!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on October 19, 2015, 06:48:41 PM
I guess I missed something elsewhere but I'm curious as to why one specific winder should be considered more prone to blowing motors than an alternative make?     


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Tmat on October 19, 2015, 07:22:41 PM
It's not an issue with the winder Make Jim. It's that an F1B winder is geared to handle motors that can develop 140 in/oz of torque. A coupe motor could see 40 in/oz. Thus when winding with a Wakefield winder the "feel" for the smaller motor is not always there. You can wind it, but you can also easily "overwind" it if you know what I mean.
A smaller winder that is suited for Coupe and smaller models gives you a far better feel for when the motor is approaching the max torque.

Tmat


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on October 19, 2015, 08:13:08 PM
Thanks, Tony.  I had a suspicion that something like gear ratios might effect the feel of the motor and you've nicely resolved the question that intrigued me.  Obliged! 


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on October 19, 2015, 08:21:24 PM
Exactly, the Wake winder is way too powerful for Coupe. Although I'm only sport flying, I do every flight at max winds (that's the altimeter data that I want), and the feel is too poor with the Wake winder, thus lots of pre-flight broken motors (they're always broken post flight!). I'm impressed with the Blazhevych, really nice feel so I could pretty much tell when the motor was about to blow - 4 flights and no broken motors! So it was definitely worth the money.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 20, 2015, 02:38:39 AM
thanks for the vid FG - again very interesting.

However you're a braver man than me .Small area and strong thermals perhaps with only rudder control to escape them. Admittedly this would be quite powerful with the FF dihedral, but I would have been concerned at the height you were at and the strength of the thermal.

I have had to spin for up to 5 mins to escape some thermals.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on October 20, 2015, 04:42:01 AM
Great flight again Larry. I don't know how you do it!

Ralph


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on October 20, 2015, 11:14:27 AM
Thanks Ralph. Flying year round I'm getting a lot of practice, actually learning things!

OZPAF - it is a little nerve wracking in a thermal like that, according to my altimeter it was at 290 feet and still going up before I got it out. Some speculation - I think with rudder only it's a little different from the usual situation with a stab or wing dethermalizer. Usually, you are in the thermal when you dethermalize, so that makes it hard to come down, even leaves go up in thermals. But with rudder only, you're not trying to come down in the thermal, you're trying to fly away from the region where the thermal is, or where it's moving. So you're not fighting the thermal, you're running away from it! I think that makes it much easier to deal with thermals.

The most worrisome part for me is hitting that damn small field, you have to bring it in just right. I put my Black Bullet in the trees yesterday, also video'd getting it down with the pole (with no damage!), will put that up sooner or later it's kind of interesting.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on October 28, 2015, 01:14:24 PM
Thanks. Got out again yesterday, balmy weather in the 40s, flew the Island Flyer (first photo), the Pacific Ace, and the Black Bullet. Island Flyer appears to be better in calmer weather, it gets knocked around a lot in the wind, PA and BB are rock stable, even in the wind. Put some test flights with the BB in the end of this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B_aMhf74JA   Hoping to get out again next week, three weeks in a row!



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: IndoorFlyer on October 28, 2015, 03:34:56 PM
Flyguy, that's a great video!  The BB looks to be a super flyer.  I'm very impressed with your ability to fly and video record your sessions, in a challenging field/park.  Well done!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on October 28, 2015, 07:53:08 PM
Thanks. I used a head cam for those videos, not comfortable but it keeps your hands free. The BB is a great flyer, I have a great flight that approached 2 minutes, but it hit the goal post at the end, so I'm debating about posting it, but it really shows what the BB can do when you get more winds in!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on October 28, 2015, 08:02:04 PM
Not watched all of the video yet, but certainly enjoyed what I have seen  :) ... a great flyer!




Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 29, 2015, 07:19:53 PM
Another very enjoyable video FG - thanks. That's a great climb and it glides nicely but I would still worry about penetrating back against any sort of a breeze without elevator control.
You are certainly making the best use of your Park area.
How does it compare to the Pacific Ace in general flying ability?

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on October 29, 2015, 09:18:45 PM
Thanks John. It's a fun plane to fly, really enjoying it, the whole day was like - increase winds, better flight! I just put up the (painful) last flight video where I got up to 800 winds and it just shot right up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wbwj_D3fx8  Looking forward to getting into the 900s next time.

The wind gusts were picking up in the last video, yet the BB penetrates nicely, although slowly in parts, and makes it back to the field, so rudder only can do the trick even in wind. It's also tricky over the trees because there always seems to be sinking air over the trees, and a lot of crosswinds at lower altitudes.

I can't say anything about general flying ability yet compared to the PA because I've only flown the BB on two flying sessions, and the PA on only about 4. I'm still working on the PA (I've had some problems with the gizmo), but it also climbs nicely (though not as steep as the BB). They both flew really nice right off the board, I almost feel guilty that I haven't had to do much trimming, just slightly increased the down and right thrust, that's it! So I think either one is a good choice. It was really windy in one session, but the PA was still pretty damn stable, as was the BB, both are great oldtime designs!



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 30, 2015, 08:28:28 PM
That is a very impressive climb FG. It's a great flying model. They must have lost a few of those in contests!
Thanks for the video.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on October 30, 2015, 11:23:38 PM
Yes, if they were showing up with planes like this, those oldtime contests must have been intense!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Starduster on October 31, 2015, 06:00:49 PM
Good All Hallows Eve, one and all!

I went out flying this morning at Rocky Hill, CT. It was a glorious morning to fly. No wind and no drift to speak of. Started out about 9:00 am and it was about 38 degrees F. A bit cool, but it warmed up pretty quickly and by the time I was done flying at 11:30, it was about 50 F.

I took three airplanes, all electrics, the Starduster E-36, the Starduster 350 and the Pimenoff #18.

I first flew the E-36, and after a short test flight, I put in just a touch of left thrust. the airplanes was climbing almost straight up, and the Stardusters need to climb in a left spiral, to get that glide transition without any loss of altitude. I put one thin washer under the two left mounting lugs, and that did the trick. The E-36 now climbs in a beautiful left spiral and then just plops into a floating glide. I flew the airplane a few more times, with a 10 second motor run and a 45 second DT. The airplane is definitely ready for it's first contest.

I then flew the 350, and it did not need any trimming. It is a fun and consistent flyer. Next year, I will fly this in AMA 'A' and F1Q. I figure with a 16 second motor run, the airplane will do 4 - 5 minutes.

I then flew my trusty # 18, and this is such a fun airplane to fly. Though it is a bit sensitive to how it's launched. It needs a good "push" and slightly to the left.

I had a great morning flying. Too bad there wasn't anyone else out there...

A few pictures of the two Stardusters and the field.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: IndoorFlyer on October 31, 2015, 06:47:53 PM
Beautiful!  Looks like the 170 would be right at home there, too!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Starduster on November 01, 2015, 11:50:28 AM
Here's an aerodynamic question for you all to ponder:

The Starduster 350 is trimmed for glide at just above stall speed. It must be very close because:

After motor shut down, the prop will wind-mill for about 5-10 seconds. During that time, the airplane shows a very slight stalling tendency. Not much, mind you, but just a bit.

As soon as the prop stops, the airplane shows no sign of stall whatsoever.

My theory is that a stopped prop has less drag than a wind-milling prop.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on November 01, 2015, 12:52:25 PM
Lock the freewheel on a rubber model prop and note the substantial deterioration in glide trim


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Starduster on November 01, 2015, 06:42:17 PM
Lock the freewheel on a rubber model prop and note the substantial deterioration in glide trim

I wonder if it's because when an electric prop is free-wheeling, there is a significant amount of (torsional) drag from the motor, whereas with a rubber prop, at least if it's a decent free-wheeling device, there is very little drag.

The change in the flight path is actually pretty obvious when the prop stops.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Twinchicky on November 01, 2015, 07:26:49 PM
Here's an aerodynamic question for you all to ponder:

The Starduster 350 is trimmed for glide at just above stall speed. It must be very close because:

After motor shut down, the prop will wind-mill for about 5-10 seconds. During that time, the airplane shows a very slight stalling tendency. Not much, mind you, but just a bit.

As soon as the prop stops, the airplane shows no sign of stall whatsoever.

My theory is that a stopped prop has less drag than a wind-milling prop.

When a high-ceiling F1D goes dead-stick on the way down, there's a short period where the prop keeps turning and the model continues to turn left as it should. But then once the motor is back-wound enough that the prop stops, the flight path straightens out and sometimes the model even starts turning right. (Then you lose the plane and have to go clambering around the bowels of the hangar to retrieve it...) I think this is a related phenomenon, and I can't quite remember the way that it was explained to me at Lakehurst.

My theory w.r.t. freewhell stallling is that the stopped prop actually causes more drag to be applied frontally than the freewheeling prop - since the thrust bearing (at least on models I'm used to) is typically below the CG, frontal drag on the prop causes a certain torque being applied around the CG that noses the model down somewhat and, if large enough, can prevent stalls and dives. Logic follows that, if the plane is stalling, this moment is small (e.g. when the prop is freewheeling) while if the model is flying smoothly, this moment is somewhat larger (e.g. when the prop is locked). Just a theory though, and probably two-thirds wrong.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: lincoln on November 01, 2015, 09:27:10 PM
As I recall, which mode causes more drag depends partly on propeller pitch. However, I'm not sure that implies anything about a prop that spins against resistance.

My own guess is that the resistance from the motor slows the prop down enough to get a significant negative angle of attack on the prop blades. While they are spinning, the blades will experience a much higher airspeed than the airspeed from the model's motion forward. So, due to the increased airspeed on the blades, they can generate more force than they can when stopped. If the pitch is relatively flat, most of that will be drag (or at least act like drag). A stopped prop wouldn't have as much airspeed, so forces would be lower. (There are some other variables, but I'm feeling lazy right now.)
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Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on November 02, 2015, 01:34:15 AM
Starduster, beautiful models. Nice colour contrast to the grass. Must be easy to find in the grass :D

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: USch on November 02, 2015, 09:33:49 AM
Starduster 56, new name.... new life  ;D  but why 56 ??? shouldn't it be 386 (350+36=386)

There's one thing I cannot understand in your description of prop behaving at the end of the motor run. Normally, I suppose, in such a model the ESC's brake is engaged. On all ESC the brake (shortening the motors windings) acts only for a few seconds and then disables automatically. So the behaving should be contrary as you described, stop of the prop and later windmilling.

In either way I would fit a folder prop to improve the glide.

Urs


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on November 02, 2015, 11:25:52 AM
Hope and I went flying with some students from Mercer University and got some nice footage of a couple of our models. Enjoy:
http://jhaerospace.com/mercer-university-flight-demos/


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Starduster on November 03, 2015, 12:49:34 PM
Another beautiful "Indian Summer" (Is that term PC?) here in Connecticut. I just had to take advantage of it, so I loaded up my three Stardusters and my #18 and headed out. It was a little cool (45 F) when I got there, but it warmed up to about 65 by the time I left. A little more wind than last time, so I kept the DT's set at 30 - 45 seconds.

Everything is flying great. No trim changes at all for any if the airplanes. I flew each one several times and spent about 2 1/2 hours at the field.

A few pictures. 1, 2 and 3 are three Stardusters (small, medium and Large, eh?)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on November 03, 2015, 02:49:26 PM
Looks like you had a good time  :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PeeTee on November 03, 2015, 03:20:33 PM
I didn't  :'(


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on November 03, 2015, 03:33:32 PM
I didn't  :'(

Had a job to see it.  It'll probably blow out when the gales come.

Ralph


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on November 03, 2015, 03:53:25 PM
Hope that you got it/get it back Peter  :(


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PeeTee on November 03, 2015, 05:20:35 PM
Thanks chaps.

It was an E36, the second I'd tried to trim that day that day (Ralph, it's a lovely class despite what your clubmates might think ;))

Picture if you will, a 3 sec motor run and a 5 sec DT. A nice climb & transition, but no DT after 5 secs - pas de probleme thought I, it wasn't launched into good air and it'll glide in after 30 secs or so like t'others - wrongI It gradually gained height & drifted downwind. No stopwatch but the bins felt might heavy and my wristwatch indicated that it was around 10 mins before it glided in behind the trees.

I still had a tracker signal & thus it was in a tree, so I followed the bearing with my GPS which led me to the tank factory (as was). It's now a film studios (obviously plenty of money in entertainment) and I was told to come back the next day to get permission to enter the grounds.

I went back on the Monday and met our esteemed club chairman who had kindly come along with the club's retrieval poles - 40+ feet long. He spotted the model 70 odd feet up in a tree on the edge of the studio grounds and despite lashing several sections of my fishing pole to the biggun - supported by a plank we'd found & held together with gaffer tape, it was still a few feet short. I might add the the tree was also overhanging a Surrey wildlife compound occupied by goats  ::)

To cut a long story short (phew I hear you say), the torrential rains & 25 mph gusting to 35 winds brought down the wing and pylon. The rest is firmly ensconsed in the tree. I have the wing, timer & servo in my grubby mitts, but the tracker, (no longer pinging) is in the undergrowth somewhere - c'est la vie.

After a decade or so of arboreal free flying (more or less) I have managed to stuff several models into trees this year - oh dear! I suppose it's character building ::)

Nighty night

Peter


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on November 03, 2015, 06:27:45 PM
Bad luck PT. Nice collection IM and an enjoyable day.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: HoveToo on November 04, 2015, 04:14:30 AM
Peter,  Hope this one cheers you up....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF5rEMasubY


Ian


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PeeTee on November 04, 2015, 06:47:31 AM
Ian

It most certainly did, many thanks  ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on November 05, 2015, 05:09:11 AM
Ralph, it's a lovely class despite what your clubmates might think

 but the tracker, (no longer pinging) is in the undergrowth somewhere

You can often rely on the wind to get models, or bits of models, out of tall trees  -  and then it depends on who picks the pieces up.

Timperley Club, in the main, think model development stopped somewhere in the '60's  ::)

Re the tracker - how about a metal detector?  If the tracker was in the model when it went into the tree it can't be too far away.  You never know, you may find some Saxon gold as well.   ;D

Ralph



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PeeTee on November 05, 2015, 10:28:58 AM
Quote
Timperley Club, in the main, think model development stopped somewhere in the '60's

Ralph, your coupes are obviously the exception to the rule.

Anyway, Ian's youtube link did the trick - thanks. The resultant belly laugh caused earth tremors that travelled 30 miles and resulted in the remains of the model sliding down the tree by 30 feet or so. My 9m poles were still a few feet short, but the club's esteemed chairman came out with the bigguns and we got the fuselage & tail down in no time at all. I now have everything back except the lipo and bug which are either in the ivy climbing up the tree, or in the undergrowth (which is pretty dense with loadsa leaves on the ground).

Thanks for the suggestion of a metal detector. From memory a clubmate has one those security metal detecting wands, but I'm not sure that I want to go around on my hands & knees trying to locate the bug (think of the looks I'd get ::))

After an overnight spell in the airing cupboard, both the motor and ESC appear to be operating correctly. Now for a new pylon & refurbishing.

Now back to some successful flying with nice photos of models in the air from the rest of you.

Peter


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pat D on November 06, 2015, 03:08:33 PM
I took out my completed peck Polymers one Nite 28 for some trimming flights the weekend

Very promising but conditions were perfect

so far so good...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmoz8Mi4uZo


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on November 06, 2015, 07:08:03 PM
Very nice Pat. It reminds of one I made for some young cousins in Limerick around 1992. It had a couple of successful flights before I left back for Aus.
Finding dope was a problem - I think I used clear nail lacquer from memory.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on November 09, 2015, 05:07:06 PM
Beautiful day for flying here on the east coast, temperature went from 40s to comfortable 50s and wind was generally under 10 mph, which is rare in this field; wish I could have stayed longer but my back was sore after 4 hours, which indicates that it's time to stop, if I was younger I would have been out all day! Flew the Pacific Ace (first two photos), Black Bullet, and Island Flyer (last two). Only flew one flight with the bullet, just to get altimeter data: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W85aZb03mNs

Both the PA and BB fly nice, but the BB in particular is an amazing flyer. The IF is kind of fast and doesn't handle the wind as well, part of that could be due to the higher percentage of weight of the equipment for smaller jobs (around 24"), in general they seem to be trickier, at least for RC rubber.



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on November 15, 2015, 11:56:11 AM
With Ideal Weather on Sunday 8.11.15 /Frauenfeld/Switzerland, the 30 years old Peanut (13 inches span) Bell P39D was happy to be on/in air ( reachs 43secs on a conservative 2/3 wound) .
The usual indoor Pistachio (8 inches span) Pilatus PC-9 seems to do the same in this quiet environment.
Peter did 6.25 min and many dethermalised/Maxies with a P-20; 1.25 min with 1/2 scale FF Gollywoch; 55 secs with Peanut P51D
and 1.13 min with a paper CLG... I don't have photos of theses.
Roman was amused with a peanut size GeeBee, which get trimmed only after 2 hairraised tries without any repairs! Together with
Yak3 and many others well trimmed powerful models...
Just a very short Impression of this beautiful day.
Roman did not only beautiful models & flies but Photos too as These from PC9 (resized).
Dalat


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on November 15, 2015, 12:41:27 PM
With These well done photos  from Roman of P39D at landing Approach & PC9: Any imperfektions can't be hided!
For example, the naked truth the cabins are unoccupied. Where are the Pilots, too shy ?

 Dalat


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: atesus on November 15, 2015, 02:45:03 PM
Great looking Airacobra, not to take anything away from the others  :). Is the Pilatus made out of foam?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on November 15, 2015, 03:39:08 PM
yes only the fuselage...wings & control surfaces are of thin Balsa Sheets...the whole weight 2.4 gr.
and the Propeller ist nearly 1/2 lenght of the span...Pitching 3 (yes three)...averaging  1100 RPM.
with max more than 2000 t one can imagine his fly time...he Needs a high Roof to use These turns...
in our gym with merely 20 feet he does 50 secs at 55 % of max turns.
Pratically indestructible ist this work horse..No stress, since 20 years he flies out of the box, ist becoming
nearly boring...we can see the trace of fingers "grease Weathering " on his fuse, saying the many times
of start during all These years...  Funny Thing  :-))


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on November 15, 2015, 08:12:30 PM
 ;D  initiated indoor flying. the planes do trim differently indoor to out.  flew comet SBD, CORSAIR AND SPITFIRE, GUILLOWS BEAVER AND COMET HELLCAT. ALL WADDLED THROUGH THE AIR.

jim ::) ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on November 16, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
I try to reduce this game to it simplest equation with two main factors WINDS/SPACE, the rest is a matter of Patient observations
+ many tries n' Errors! the air stays anyways the same for in- as well outdoor. Just to get enough fun to get passioned with These Things.
I have the same fun going across the Doors to continue to Play with These machines...Just a Little more Power and avoid " big=tai wind=fun" or taifun ::)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Starduster on December 07, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
I went out to Rocky Hill both Saturday and Sunday this past weekend. The weather is simply amazing for December. Saturday it was dead calm all day, and the temperature was in the mid 50's (F) I finally couldn't take it any longer, so I packed up the three Stardusters and the # 18. The field is only a 10-15 minute drive, so I got there about 3:15.

I was only able to fly the E-36 and the 350 Stardusters, but it was so calm that I was able to set a 15 second motor run and a 2 minute DT. The airplanes were landing no more than 50 yards from the launch point. I flew until it got dark. At the end, it was so dark I could see the blue timer indicator light as the airplane glided overhead. Both airplanes are flying very well, but I am thinking about upping the power on the 350. It has a nice climb and the glide is fantastic, but a 5 second run does not get it very high.

Sunday the temps were about the same, but just a bit of a breeze. I only flew the Starduster 600 and the #18. I have to say that the #18 is my favorite airplane in a long, long time. It is a blast to fly. I probably have more flights on this airplane than any other single Freeflight I've ever built/flown.

I flew for a couple of hours Sunday and had a great time.

Can't wait for next Spring.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on December 07, 2015, 10:34:26 AM
We went to the Coupe de Birmingham at Luffenham yesterday. The wind dropped from an overnight 40mph to a more reasonable 15 - 20mph plus occasional rain. Learned a lot, didn't come last, had a great time, nothing broken (models or ankles). Why doesn't everyone do this? It was flat calm as we emerged from the feast in the golf club at 4.30.
Thanks to the organisers.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on December 07, 2015, 11:24:58 PM
Beautiful day for flying here in NYC, fairly comfortable in the 40s, relatively calm, of course this also enticed several teams to come out. Nevertheless, I got in a bunch of flights with the Island Flyer (first photo shows takeoff, with an interesting illusion!) and they are encouraging. Originally, it would just barrel roll into the ground once I got up to more than a few hundred winds, but now that's under control and at least it's going up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsd7NkhOoSM  Still need to work on it, but it is fun to fly.

Pacific Ace is a rock, second photo shows takeoff for a flight I got in in-between ball games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldqc-C1Y3g0

Seemed relevant that I was flying planes named "Pacific" Ace and "Island" Flyer on Pearl Harbor Day! There were some oldtimer softball players there today (up to 84 in age) - they've "co-flown" with me many times over the years - and they like talking to me about the planes and things like Pearl Harbor so it was fun!





Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on December 08, 2015, 01:46:47 AM
Nice flights FG. The Pacific Ace looks very impressive. I would consider a wee bit more side thrust perhaps on your Island flyer to kill the torque induced stall halfway through the climb.

Magic.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on December 08, 2015, 01:38:34 PM
Thanks John! It's a great hobby. I really like flying the PA, every flight is beautiful, windy or not, really speaks to the quality of the design.

The Island Flyer, on the other hand, has been tricky, I've tried all sorts of things in a bunch of flying sessions (good learning experience!). Had to re-build the nose twice because of barrel-rolling. It currently has about 8 degrees downthrust and 4 degrees right, which is a lot compared to my other planes, but I'll keep tweeking in a little right as you say, would be nice to get rid of that damn torque stall!

One problem I've had is that it seems to be really sensitive - I put in like a 1/4 turn thrust change on the Gizmo, and whammo, it rolls into the ground (really hate that sound). Another problem is that if I get in enough thrust for a smooth climb and nice flight with say 600 winds, the dreaded roll comes back when I increase the number of winds, arrggh. If I had a big field, I think I'd just go for the longer motor and long run approach, that would get rid of the rolling problem and it should be a nice flyer. But the field is too small and the air below 100 feet stinks, so I have to go for the fast climb approach. Maybe I can eventually hit a sweet spot thrust-wise, I'll keep working on it - I've noticed by the way that I spend more time flying the lousy-flying planes than the good-flying planes!

The fact that the rolling problem also occurs with the two other around 24" planes that I have makes me think that it's probably due in part to the high percentage of weight that the RC adds to these small planes, they just don't have the wing area to deal with the dead weight, and they end up flying faster and being less stable. I've also been thinking that it was a mistake to mount the equipment right under the wing, I think that might make it more difficult for the plane to recover, seems like it would have been better to put the dead weight on the bottom of the fuselage, to lower the CG, that should help to increase the stability. I might give that a try, maybe if I have a major crash!




Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on December 08, 2015, 06:19:49 PM
Good luck and thanks for the inspiring videos.
Merry Christmas
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on December 08, 2015, 07:30:04 PM
Thanks for the support John, happy holidays to you as well. I'm looking forward to getting building again!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Hepcat on December 08, 2015, 09:37:38 PM
Flyguy,
Thank you for all your posts.  I thought they were a joke at first but now I realize they are a guide to the future.  I won’t say more now except on your concern about the left roll half way up the climb.
I think you trimmed under low power and used enough downthrust to give a smooth climb.  Under more power the model climbed well at first but as the first burst died away so did the effect of the large amount of downthrust.  It could no longer hold down the nose enough to keep the speed up in the steep climb and I think what we see is more a stall from loss of speed than a torque roll.  The solution is easy, move the CG back and retrim with less longitudinal dihedral.  The problem is whether your pretty little aeroplanes have big enough tailplanes or long enough moment arms to stand a more rearward CG.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: randoloid on December 08, 2015, 10:42:48 PM
Beautiful day here in Atlanta and for once work wasn't too crazy and I was able to take a lunch break... There's a good sized field (with long soft grass) that's used for special events in our complex and I was able to get the first flights of my Victory Stick... I modified the design slightly, mostly because I hate bending wire so I made a pylon design.  Also changed the way the tail structure attaches -- I created a plug with a beam that attaches to the stab...

Since I made some alterations to the original I named this the little Miss Stick (my wife is Melissa and I call her Miss-- thought it was a cute play on words)  One of pic attached attached of the fuse and pylon during the build.



Such a nice relaxing break and got to see the bird in the air for the first time.  My only regret is that I didn't get a video of the best flight but here is a snippet of one of the earlier runs.

https://youtu.be/JXQwI6DqwMI


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on December 09, 2015, 07:55:06 AM
Wow you really are in downtown Atlanta! Flies just as nice as I'd expect...

Come down and fly with us in Warner Robins sometime.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on December 09, 2015, 10:37:46 AM
Flyguy,
Thank you for all your posts.  I thought they were a joke at first but now I realize they are a guide to the future.  I won’t say more now except on your concern about the left roll half way up the climb.
I think you trimmed under low power and used enough downthrust to give a smooth climb.  Under more power the model climbed well at first but as the first burst died away so did the effect of the large amount of downthrust.  It could no longer hold down the nose enough to keep the speed up in the steep climb and I think what we see is more a stall from loss of speed than a torque roll.  The solution is easy, move the CG back and retrim with less longitudinal dihedral.  The problem is whether your pretty little aeroplanes have big enough tailplanes or long enough moment arms to stand a more rearward CG.
John

Nice analysis! So you're saying that a problem with the small jobs is the short tail moment and/or small stabs, makes sense. I thought that the fairly forward CGs shown on the plans was kind of strange, all of my planes have the CG further back. So if I understand correctly, I should try moving the CG a bit further back, say with some tail weight, then reduce the wing incidence. I'll give it a try, hoping to get out a few more times before it gets too cold, last year I made it to about mid January. Thanks for the suggestion John! its interesting to try to figure these things out.






Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Starduster on December 09, 2015, 02:22:24 PM
Flyguy,
Thank you for all your posts.  I thought they were a joke at first but now I realize they are a guide to the future. 

I've said it (too) many times on this forum, but if there is a way to "save Freeflight" the future does indeed lay with what Flyguy is doing.

I would like to see a "Freeflight" contest where the competitor sets the transmitter on a table in sight of the timer. He/she flys the airplane, and the time stops when he/she (or anyone else) picks up the transmitter. I don't see this as being significantly different than RCDT.

Can you imagine having a complete Freeflight contest on a field the size of a Soccer (Football) pitch? Just think of how much better public exposure the sport/hobby would have if you can have a contest at the local softball field? (Or the local college athletic field in the middle of NYC?)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Hepcat on December 09, 2015, 04:47:55 PM
Flyguy,
Just a little more attempt at explanation.  Moving back the Cg and reducing the incidence difference should enable you to trim with less downthrust.  Thrust offsets, down or side, can cause odd effects because they can vary so much with the number of turns, particularly if you are in the part of the power curve where the initial burst is dying away.

John
 


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on December 09, 2015, 04:58:53 PM
Yup, got it, I already reduced the incidence on one of my planes, added some tail weight, and reduced the downthrust, I'm going to give it a try next time I get out and see what happens, thanks!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: randoloid on December 10, 2015, 12:24:07 PM
Wow you really are in downtown Atlanta! Flies just as nice as I'd expect...

Come down and fly with us in Warner Robins sometime.

I am in Atlanta... Top end perimeter at the King and Queen buildings.

We've chatted some on YouTube earlier about your smoothie... I'd love to come down and fly with you-- just let me know when, I'd love to meet you in person and have the chance to not fly by myself...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on December 27, 2015, 03:02:45 PM
Some pictured from my christmas flying during the last three days... Normaly there should be snow on the field....



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: randoloid on December 27, 2015, 03:04:55 PM
Those are some of the best in flight photos I've seen, kudos!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on December 27, 2015, 06:01:07 PM
The Chubb looks charismatic in front of the tree. Thanks for the as usual great flying shots.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on December 28, 2015, 03:25:30 AM
Thanks everybody. It seems that the second batch of pics disapeared in the net... So here is the second part of the pics. Maybe it's better so send them in small dosage ;)

OZPAF, I like the Chub too. It's no record beater, makes arround 30sec with rog. But looks great in the air.

Roman




Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: USch on December 28, 2015, 01:20:29 PM
Roman, looks as if you stayed all day long on the flying field during Christmas, did the "Santiklaus" (Santa Claus) bring you the gifts to the field ???

Marvellous photo's as usual! Personally I got caught by the Gee Bee pic's and I am glad to see it flying nicely for two reasons, first for you to have it tamed so well, secondly because it shows me that even a model with low wing, low dihedral and a fat fuselage above the wing is able to fly well. So even my Hughes might do well some day in the future. Or did you just capture the one moment it flew nicely?

Happy New Year and have fun,

Urs


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on December 28, 2015, 03:31:34 PM
Great pics as always, Roman!

(and 30 seconds from RoG is almost certainly a record for a Chub, taking all known examples into account. ;D)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on December 28, 2015, 06:06:30 PM
Great pics Roman!  I trust you flew over tall grass with the 3 blade prop on your Yak?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on December 29, 2015, 01:26:12 PM
Urs, I did not spend the whole christmas holidays on the field ;D But we had maybe five sunny and calm days in a row. So I just could not resist to go to the field whenever I found time for it. I dont know how long I have to wait for the next nice days :)
I am happy with the GeeBee at the moment. It was not easy to trim, but it seems that I found a working setting. She is very senistive to CG adjustments. At the moment she flies with a rather small propeller. So she flies fast and the rubbe dont last very long. But the flight ist stable and she looks like a real racer in the air. I took a camera (for filming) with me the second day, but at the first landing it knocked off one of the elevators... So I have to wait for the next opportunity.
By the way, I am working on the counter for the winder. I will open a threadhere as soon as it is ripe for it ;)

Pete, you shouldn't count 30 secs for the record. I normaly dont time my flights. I recorded one video with a 23 or 25 sec flight. I have the feeling that it was not the longest flight, therefore I assumed that my Chub will make arround 30 secs. So its not official, I had no attesting notary with me ;D

Don, mostly grass with a concreted path. But it's not that bad if the Yak is landing on the path. The front part isn't plunged very deep into the fuselage. If the propeller hits the ground, the whole front part with propeller is folded under the fuselage. (sorry, this sounds awkward... I somehow cant find a better way to say it... :-[)

Best regards from sunny switzerland   Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: USch on December 29, 2015, 01:47:02 PM

.....By the way, I am working on the counter for the winder. I will open a thread here as soon as it is ripe for it ;)


Roman, that's similar to a Christmas gift, and a big one too  ;D
I did not want to put my finger in the open wound, so I did not have the courage to ask about your work in progress  ;)

Urs


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on December 29, 2015, 01:52:51 PM
Hi Roman,

Thanks and your response makes perfect sense. 

Don


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slowfly55 on December 30, 2015, 03:41:41 PM
Roman,

when I see your fantastic fotos of Christmas flying I am sorry to have let pass by these sunny days without flying outdoor. Splendid!
I can hardly await to fly my YAK-3 against yours, it is ready.
Spent the foggy day in the gym with dalat flying pistachio and paper PC-6.

 Many happy flights and best wishes for 2016, Peter


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on January 02, 2016, 06:53:56 AM
Quote
I can hardly await to fly my YAK-3 against yours, it is ready.
Peter, does this mean that you sorted out the trimming troubles with your Yak?! Would be great, looking forward to the formation flying.
When I took my Yak from the shelf for this flight, I saw that the elevator had a quite bad warp. But I wanted to try it and it flew just as ever... These little beast will never stop to surprise me. Sometimes you cant get this darn thing to fly and on other occasions, planes will fly with warps and misaligned parts.....

Happy new year and until soon    Roman


 


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on January 07, 2016, 08:39:53 PM
First flying in 2016! Was a little chilly early in the day, low to mid 30s, but it got to the comfortable 40s by noon. Day started bad with things breaking. I wanted to work on the Island Flyer, but the prop got dinged on the fence and broke, interesting that sometimes one can smack the ground and the plastic prop is fine, other times it seems like it just got dinged yet a blade flies off. After that I focused on getting altimeter data for the Pacific Ace and Black Bullet, first photo. Nice flights as usual and got some data, I'm interested in comparing the two. Second photo shows PA on climb, third on landing.

On the third flight the gizmo broke - the plastic screw gets broken at the base and so the freewheel doesn't work, I have to fix it at home - this has happened about 5 times now on various planes, but it seems it occurs the most when using the max recommended - 8 strands of 1/8. At full winds I've had several cases where the screw broke (I even have some videos where that happened). I thought that maybe it was because it was partially engaged and so the force of the pull broke it, but now I'm doubting that because I've been careful to not have it engaged (i.e., locked). Now I'm thinking that maybe the high torque is, over flights, weakening the plastic till it breaks? curious if this has happened to anyone else, it's happened with all three sizes of props

Temperature was around freezing early in the day, so I tried something new - I've had problems in the past blowing motors on freezing days. I saw these hand warmers, last photo, in the drug store recently. Once at the field, I opened one up and put it in my receiver box (nice and lined) along with all the motors. Kept them nice and warm, my hands were freezing but the rubber felt good!




Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on January 07, 2016, 10:57:11 PM
FlyGuy  - contact Orville Olm .... the Gizmo Guy-  and advise him of your problems and thoughts.     He'll check it out and needs to know if there's any problem with his product. Tell him I sent ya!

Jim Moseley


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Bigbandito on January 08, 2016, 02:00:45 PM

Quote
randoloid:

I am in Atlanta... Top end perimeter at the King and Queen buildings.

We've chatted some on YouTube earlier about your smoothie... I'd love to come down and fly with you-- just let me know when, I'd love to meet you in person and have the chance to not fly by myself...

...and if you haven't already, you should check out the Thermal Thumbers of Metro Atlanta (http://www.thermalthumbers.com/contest-dates.html (http://www.thermalthumbers.com/contest-dates.html) and https://www.facebook.com/Thermal-Thumbers-of-Metro-Atlanta-330599677073732/ (https://www.facebook.com/Thermal-Thumbers-of-Metro-Atlanta-330599677073732/)).  Great bunch of guys.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on January 08, 2016, 03:42:35 PM
FlyGuy  - contact Orville Olm .... the Gizmo Guy-  and advise him of your problems and thoughts.     He'll check it out and needs to know if there's any problem with his product. Tell him I sent ya!

Jim Moseley

Thanks Jim. I need more info first, like if anyone else has had this problem. Here's my history with it - the first few times it happened it was on gizmo's that I've repaired. It was hard to get the screw off the wire shaft even after soaking it in debonder for about an hour or so, and I realized that when I was pushing the wire out it might have very slightly bent/stressed where the screw was and therefore weakened the plastic. So, I started soaking the screw in debonder for at least 3 hours, then the shaft easily slides out without putting any stress on anything. That definitely made a difference because none of the repaired ones have broken since then, so this most likely was my fault.

However, the gizmo on the PA was new, not repaired. The photo shows the typical problem where the screw broke at the base. It occurred when I was using the max recommended number of strands, 8, wound to the maximum, but it hasn't happened on the B Bullet so far. However, now that I think about it, the prop shaft got bent one flight and, when straightening it out, I probably put some slight bending stress on the plastic screw, so this again was probably my fault. I think that's the problem - you have to make sure that you never bend the shaft even slightly where the screw is because that will weaken the plastic. I'll repair it and see what happens next session, though usually by mid January in NY flying is over until March, that's why I made sure I got out yesterday!



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on January 08, 2016, 09:13:20 PM
FkyGuy -  I took the liberty of copying the posts to the GizmoGeezer and his reply follows.  Suggest you get in touch?     Jim


"This break hasn’t happened very often but when it does it is usually caused by the modeller. I’ve flown thousands of flights in the past 13 years and haven’t had this happen to me. When the motor is wound and the Gizmo locked in the glide mode, if you inadvertently turn the prop in the wrong direction (counter-clockwise when viewed from the front) to unlock the device, you will shear off the helix (screw) as shown in the photo. To unlock the Gizmo, you must turn the prop clockwise (when viewed from the front) and in the same direction as when you wind.

It takes quite a force to break this tough nylon part which will elongate up to 30% before fracturing.

Now, there is always the remote possibility that there was a molding flaw but I inspect these parts carefully as I assemble the units. If this only happened once, I could buy this argument but having it happen 5 times just doesn’t compute… it has to be operator error.

But saying that, we stand behind our products and will replace the unit at no charge no matter who was responsible within reason of course. This does not include crash damage.

If FlyGuy had contacted us the first time this happened, we could have helped him avoid the later problems he had. We would have even replaced the broken unit at no charge… we are only an email away.

Have him contact us. We will send him a rebuild kit for all the broken units at no charge.

Orv. "



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on January 08, 2016, 10:12:37 PM
Thanks, I can forward this reply. I completely agree with Orv, if you read my post, you'll see that I basically attributed all of the breaks to "operator error". I think it's still useful to suggest that one be careful when removing the shaft from the screw (e.g., to replace a broken prop) to not bend it even slightly, unless I'm the only idiot who would do that! That accounts for 3 of the 5 breaks before I figured out what was happening, which by the way is a rare occurrence because I easily got in over 500 flights with Gizmo's this year alone.

I think the other 2 occurred because things got bent slightly from fence incidences. The screw won't feed into the button properly unless it's straight, so when I bent it a little to straighten it out I think it again weakened the joint and that led to the break under full power, so another lesson learned. Again, these reflect my faults, not the Gizmo, as was clear in my post, I thought it might nevertheless be useful info for others.

I'm using all three sizes of Gizmo's, 7", 8" and 9.5" on various oldtimers and P30's and they are great, my favorite prop. Shows the integrity of Orv to offer replacements, but I'm not interested in that, I'm happy to buy new ones, just keep making them! PS - the only suggestion I'd have is to offer a rebuild kit with the screw in it, that would cover all possible "accidents"  :)



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Starduster on January 10, 2016, 08:34:48 PM
Had a fun morning/afternoon flying my first indoor (Larry Coslick's Penney Plane) with the Glastonbury Aeromodelers. Go there about 9:00 and left about 1:30.Took a few pictures. The first one is my Penney Plane cruising overhead. I was able to finally able to get almost 4 minutes, not that great, but I had fun.

The other pictures are a few airplanes. I didn't get names of airplanes or flyers. I just liked the airplanes.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on January 11, 2016, 12:56:16 AM
Great indoor fleet. Looks like you had fun.
Not building the very light ones, 6 min sound like magic ;)


Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on January 11, 2016, 01:00:55 AM
Great way to spend a morning SD. Nice looking Penny Plane.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 20, 2016, 08:42:13 AM
Calm and sunny here in Hull this morning (almost like one of those glorious Swiss days that Roman always gets! ;D) so I did something I've been thinking about for a while....
tried my indoor gliders in the field.

I envisaged towing them up on a nice long line to get a lot more height than is possible in a hall, and then watching them glide down slowly with the sunlight streaming through the covering.
The reality was somewhat different. It is much harder to do a running tow in a field than it is in a sports hall. So, after a few attempts which entailed lolloping over the bumpy turf in my wellies, trying to look over my shoulder, falling on my arse and regularly getting the line tangled in the wet grass, I gave it up as a bad job. Also, the untreated tissue on the models was getting baggier and damper by the minute.

I did at least get a couple of photos from hand launches though and it was nice to be out there again. I'll try again later in the year in drier conditions, maybe with a helper to hold the model and line up off the ground.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: USch on January 20, 2016, 10:17:18 AM
Real Swiss conditions, Pete. I always thought it would either rain or hail up north  ;)
And the look of your glider over a green field is much more realistic than over the floor of a indoor site.

Urs


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on January 20, 2016, 06:47:17 PM
Nice shots Pete. They look very realistic.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: USch on January 21, 2016, 02:40:41 PM
Yesterday evening we had finally some time allocated at the school gym. We had called for a clg competition, mainly to have some fun together and a  good reason to trink some prosecco  ;D

Just a few pic's, the first two some models present, third one is the winner with best flight of 35 sec., the prizegiving and as usual the finish with prosecco and "cenci" a local sweet.

Urs


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dephela on January 21, 2016, 03:20:40 PM
Planes look nice, good flight time too but I think I'd like the cenci!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on January 26, 2016, 03:41:35 AM
Pete, I am not that fast at the moment...
When I saw your pictures, I thought that you have been to switzerland for holidays ;D
Great pictures from a great model!
As I understand, you did fly and take the pictures all together?! Great!

Hope to be on the field again soon...

Urs, also good to see that you had an indoor meeting. Proseco? drink and fly?!  ;D ;)


Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: USch on January 26, 2016, 06:12:26 AM
Roman, NO !!! It's fly and trink. Quite a difference.

Urs


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on January 26, 2016, 07:23:28 AM
Urs, I see... :D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Tommy Wee on January 29, 2016, 11:34:03 AM
Sounds fine either way ;)
Good ideas here.

Tommy


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on February 02, 2016, 02:40:37 PM
Very rare for me to get out flying in February, it's usually too cold, but the two feet of snow has largely melted, the forecast was above freezing, and the wind was predicted to be low, so that's enough to get me out. First photo shows the Island Flyer in a climb, second shows it heading back to the non-snowy section of the field, third shows a flight that ended with a bumpy snow landing (but it handled it OK!). Next I pulled out my P30 for a quickie, fourth photo shows launch. Was much windier than expected, so I got in two final flights with the Pacific Ace, fifth photo shows usual nice climb, last shows struggle to get back to field - the wind was just blowing the planes right into those damn trees, P30 barely cleared them, then I nearly hit the light post, then the PA got too close for comfort, those are signs to call it a day. The bonus Feb flying session should at least help to hold me over until March, back to building!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jastafuhrer 13 on February 04, 2016, 01:58:10 PM
Flying Aces Moth flying last fall at the park.

-The Colonel


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on March 08, 2016, 04:23:23 PM
Nice day so I got out for a little while, had to wait an hour for soccer guys, then I squeezed in about 90 mins of flying before the wind started really picking up. First photo is the Lanzo Cabin ready for action, next two photos are it flying. First time out with it and I'm amazed, flies really nice! Next two photos are the Pacific Ace doing it's usual rock-stable thing. Wound outside the plane but of course a motor broke just as I launched the Lanzo, so it needs some minor repairs. Got some video of the Lanzo, will post the link when it's up in my Lanzo thread.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PB_guy on April 11, 2016, 12:21:16 PM
Took my modified Frog Linnet out for some test flights yesterday afternoon when the winds died down, I put in some flights in the park below my house. About 600 winds on a mix of one loop of 1/8 plus one loop of 1/16" rubber. I used a still camera that also does video. I used the youtube anti-shake, but it reduced the resolution. I think that I will try a smaller prop, and some down elevator.
For video see: https://youtu.be/yCV6cwMz1IQ
Build thread: http://www.stickandtissue.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1455301349/5#5
ian


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on April 25, 2016, 02:58:10 PM
The Timperley club competitions for 2016 has started.  I didn't take a camera for the first two events so this was the first video of the year.  A bit of drift and a bit chilly but the sun was shining.  A poor turnout but that didn't stop a couple of models ending in the trees.  It can only get better. 
See   https://youtu.be/LZxSlBoD8m8


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on April 26, 2016, 04:19:49 AM
looks like you all had fun Ralph - even though it was chilly. That was a master full bit of retrieving from that tree. Obviously lots of experience there.

PB have you sorted your Linnet yet/ It looked like it has lots of promise?

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: USch on April 30, 2016, 01:42:43 PM
What a day  ;D ;D ;D
A nice day got me out to the flying field at Altopascio in company with a F1B flyer from nearby.

I finally had the time to start to trim my '60 Coupe d'Hiver Auntie Frezz, a Dave Linstrum design for Mark Braunlich's Postal Event. Only problem was getting out of bed at 5.30 to be there at 7 o'clock, not my usual hour to wake up  :(

The model has a really good glide but I am stuck with some problem in climb. Actually I plainly forgot how to trim a fixed model, age is taking his toll I'm afraid. Will have to post a help cry in the rubber section. I am particularly happy with the single bladed prop, no shaking and a good pull for about 40 seconds with 80% of full turns.

But still a beautiful morning without wind and temperatures just right to feel well and not sweating during recovery. Nevertheless I will have to do some physical exercise to better my recovery times  :) Some pic's to show I was really there and it did fly !!!

Urs


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: atesus on April 30, 2016, 02:14:59 PM
At the 27th Northern California Free Flight Championship hosted by Oakland Cloud Dusters and with Bill Vanderbeek's support, participants were treated to two beautiful days of flying, delicious lunch on site and great camaraderie.

Cameraman's bias towards rubber models shows...  :-[

https://youtu.be/Wnmcnuy8D9U

--Ates


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FLYACE1946 on April 30, 2016, 02:53:21 PM
Looks like you had many thermal's out there. Good time watching the various types. Wish I could find a site that big . Thanks for sharing the experience.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on April 30, 2016, 08:40:29 PM
  Thanks Ates, very moving tribute to Marty.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Hepcat on May 20, 2016, 11:12:28 AM
Apparently I went flying in August 1984 and a couple of days ago my daughter gave me a photograph, taken on Baildon Moor, to prove it.  You young man is her son, Peter and the old man is me.  The picture has me very puzzled. I must have made the glider but I have no memory of doing so.  I remember having a catapult glider in the late 1930s which was obtained by sending off box tops (Quaker Oats I think) but I don't recollect any other glider flying with a catapult until the English rules for CLG were written in 2000.  Chuck Gliders (HLGs) were  for throwing and it would have been considered very bad form to launch them childishly with a catapult.  If there were catapulters in other parts of the country who thumbed their noses at 'good form' I  would be interested to hear of their doings.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on May 20, 2016, 10:27:41 PM
That's an interesting bit of history John. I will assume that as you would have always been an innovator that Catapult gliders had to be investigated and won't hold you to task for doing it before it was acceptable :)

It looks like you were both having fun - which is far more to the point.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: BillE on September 17, 2016, 04:22:37 PM
Really good slope soaring conditions in Dorset yesterday, 20mph wind plus lots of lift so gave my PSS Jet Provost and Horton a run out and got some pictures. The Horton is not easy to fly with no fin but it looks rather special in the air.

Bill


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on September 17, 2016, 06:17:56 PM
The Horton is not easy to fly with no fin but it looks rather special in the air.

Bill

It sure does, But the Provost photo is just amazing. Thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Mooney on September 17, 2016, 06:47:03 PM
Wow! The Provost photo looks like box art painting to sell the model!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on September 17, 2016, 07:57:23 PM
Beautiful photos Bill. I agree with Dave - you really captured the moment with the provost photo.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: BillE on September 18, 2016, 09:10:53 AM
Thanks for the kind comments on the Provost photo chaps, it was taken by my flying pal Pete Carpenter of www.rc-airplane-world fame. It has the look of an air-to-air photo. My father worked on the design of the Jet Provost for Hunting aircraft in the 50's and 60s so it has significance for me.

I took one of Pete's BAe Hawk in Red Arrows livery which was really pretty in flight.

Happy Landings
Bill


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: pedwards2932 on September 18, 2016, 11:08:52 AM
This was a quick build that I got off Outerzone called Springtime Special ROG.  I used my craft cutter to cut it out and built it in about an hour.  I wanted something that would stay in the field I was in.  Seems like it did pretty good.  I broke the pylon that the wing is mounted on because I didn't use hard enough balsa. I was also experimenting with a clip that holds my cell phone on my hat to take the video.  I have a Samsung s7 and it takes pretty good videos.  I think I paid about 15$ for the clip seems to work pretty good.  Anyway it was great fun to fly in the small field.

https://youtu.be/P8hYNqPml-E
https://youtu.be/ATSOikl4dDs


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on September 18, 2016, 02:02:24 PM
I went flying today at Lodge Farm; a delightful site where we can fly FF anytime. We are very, very lucky to have it. I fly duration and scale there, mostly rubber but I also like to fly small diesel  scale models, pottering around quietly and slowly. Now I find that all power flying is banned on most of the weekend and every evening. Why? Because of an entirely understandable complaint about the noise from screaming power duration models. We bemoan the lack of sites, usually through circumstances beyond our control, but here the limitations imposed on all of us through the selfish actions of a few are entirely self-inflicted and galling, made worse because they were totally predictable. I can't help thinking we deserve what we get.
I'm not looking for comments or a row. I am just seriously cheesed off.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 18, 2016, 03:57:40 PM
That is a real shame, Bill. Can you at least still fly them there in the daytime during the week though?

Also went flying today, in my usual field, to test my new Fairchild 24. Saw no one at all for the couple of hours I was there. Hardly any wind, but lots of warm sunsine. Since I was last at the field the long grass 'trimming corner' has been cut to match the rest, but the large dung heap is still there. Certainly not complaining though!

A few pics already on my build thread, but here's one more...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on September 18, 2016, 04:08:24 PM
That is a real shame, Bill. Can you at least still fly them there in the daytime during the week though?
Pete, yes. Thank goodness for retirement.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 18, 2016, 05:06:25 PM
In his retirement my dad played golf in the week .... 'millionaire's golf' he and his friends called it.
Sorry to hear of yet another restriction on our hobby.
These high powered models are loud but the motor run short .... no more instrusive than a neighbour mowing and strimming for an hour?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on September 18, 2016, 07:25:50 PM
I can understand that Bill.
Here in Sydney every form of model flying is banned in most parks. I used to ignore this and fly quiet electric RC early (8.00 am) and late in daylight saving, until warned by a council contractor of the $1550 fine and loss of equipment.
My nearest legal flying site is approx. 40mins away, and is much smaller!!.
The park I used is quite large 250mx 400m and I still fly Cat gliders and small rubber there.
Flying was actually allowed for a while until I believe some electric ducted fan RC flyers annoyed the locals.
Ah well not the right place to start a discussion on this.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on September 25, 2016, 12:59:12 PM
Hello all

Surely this Video is too late to reach Youtube and you. ;D
but it worths a klick to see this peanut P39 Airacobra moving around with happy landing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcDLGH25Fik

yours

Dalat


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on September 25, 2016, 06:49:43 PM
Very nice flight - very smooth.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on September 29, 2016, 05:48:40 AM
Dalat, great to hear from you.
Was this video taken at our last meeting in Frauenfeld? It looks so to me...
I hope that I will see you and Peter in Olten on October the 22th?
First time on the new field. Lets hope for good weather...

Beatiful flight, hope that you will take your P39 with you.

Best regards Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on September 29, 2016, 02:33:00 PM
Hallo Roman

very glad to read from you again.
Yes this Video was from last year meeting in Frauenfeld.
Peter and I will be in Olten, I am Optimist with the weather
and it will be a happy Party. I'm trying to Keep my airplanes
whole until then. Peter risks more.
Do you plan to fly November in Netherland this year ?

Happy to be together again in Olten

Thanh



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on October 02, 2016, 06:24:20 AM
Thanh
Good news that we will meet in Olten. :)
I am sure, if the weather is nice, it will be great.
I started a OV-10 Bronco, but I dont think that I will make it until the 22.  :-[ (even if I have holidays now...)
Anyway, I have plenty of planes to choose from. I also changed some adjustments on the GeeBee and hope that I am able to retrimm it.

I dont think that I can go to Nijmegen this year. There is to much work planed in this time frame. Small hope is still there, but we will see.

Do you have any news about the rubber ducted fan Starfighter? Did you start a new one. I would love to see it in Olten.

Best regards and until soon Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on October 03, 2016, 04:37:26 PM
Roman
The OV-10 Bronco, always a hit in every aspects, many times it burns me to build one. Now you
get to do this, congratulations for this choice. I am sure that this Project is now in good Hands.
Nijmegen is also another hot challenge for me: To go there i have to produce something unusual !
For me This F104G RDF ist another hot spot! Some unusual reasons prevent me to reproduce the total
burned prototype again.
This sunny, warm and zero-wind weather for the 22.10.2016 in Olten is booked  :)

Regards and very soon in Olten

Thanh



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on October 25, 2016, 11:05:24 AM
Hi all of you

For this meet in Olten 22.10.2016, the weather ist exactly as booked !
there are more Fotos of it on this thread
   http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=21306.msg195930#msg195930
Many thanks Roman for your Report.

Thanh


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on October 27, 2016, 07:00:19 PM
Hallo,

Its my first went flying here. I did fly my unfinished peanut keith rider jackrabbit last weekend. The glide is broken now, hope to get it fixed with diferent trim setup and get some decent times. Also the prop is too high pitch, I think lower will kick it higher and with fixed glide it can get more interesting. It did a bit over minute already but unfortunately not caught on the vid ;(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccn0eas-OIg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccn0eas-OIg)

regards


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 27, 2016, 07:57:31 PM
Nice flying peanut FN. I like it's good climb and the shallow stable turn - very well trimmed. It does have a beast of a prop :)

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on October 28, 2016, 01:38:33 AM
Wow, flying very good. Do you compete with it in Nijmegen this year?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on October 28, 2016, 07:47:58 AM
OZPAF

Thank you, good to hear it is trimmed ok. Yeah, its 6", I used it cause of a lot of wing area and big model in general as for peanut. Not sure if it was good idea. Maybe 5" would get it higher in the sky?

rgroener

Thank you too :) I never have competed yet I am very new to this flying thing, but I might think about going to Nijmegen some time in the future. Also for indoor.

I look for some answers not sure if not offtopic, but it connects to go flying, so maybe I could get some from you guys :)

I have a small field to fly. What method of trim works better for a small area for low wingers? L Koutny is having washin on a right wing, left wing 0 wash. He uses a bit of a left rudder and standard touch of right and down thrust. Is it left or right pattern? Too little right thrust and rudder left says it would be left?But washin on the right wing suggests it would be right:o Or is it used for increasing left turn? That would be insane :D Bill Henn suggests having stab straight and control the turn only with thrust after achieving good glide obviously. Do you think one method has advantage over another for a small field? Esp washin is interesting here. Btw I use about 1/8 washout on my models, am I doing correct thing? I still have to correct it with Gurneys most of the times, but I read that washout on both wing increases wing performance here. I thought having washin on left wing and washout on right should work better, but I never see this on the scale models plans. I am completely lost. Any suggestions ?

regards



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 28, 2016, 06:26:36 PM
FN, I'm not an expert either but have flown small sports models . I have some 12" span models flying with 51/2" plastic (SIG) props on 1/8" rubber(old) and I fly these right climb/right glide. I aim for a fast climb and a slow but steep glide(Due to the drag of the prop).
I use Right wash in/a bit of washout on the left, right side thrust and sometimes also a bit of right rudder. Differential wash out would probably be better - that is more wash out on the left and less on the right. This should give better stall resistance but haven't noticed any problems with wash in yet.
I agree that Koutny's trim set up appears to be for a right climb but I find using left rudder a bit strange as although it will help keep the inside wing up - it will also open up the glide turn. Perhaps this is what he is trying to do?
In this Henn method - what does he do for glide trim - rudder? I suspect he may resort to weight on the right wing tip for glide perhaps? I'm not sure but would also suspect he uses differential washout on his wings as well.
As for which is better in a small field - I think your large propeller approach with your present trim will help to bring it down quickly and you can adjust the length of the flight by changing the length/size of the motor.
Hope some of this helps - but there are more experienced flyers here.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on October 28, 2016, 07:10:17 PM
John, thank you for the answer. Yeah, right climb is beautifull, but I will stick still with a left trim for low wing. When I will learn this and feel this better, I will go flying right. Rudder on Koutny might be indeed for the left glide, but maybe for left turn, since I heard rudder works in the begining stage the most. Not sure about it though. As for the Bill Henn glide turn, in few articles of his I have read, I recall only one sentence about it. He says that the turn will likely occur anyways, and if it does not, then he adds a touch of a rudder. As for the prop, actually I think it might be an overkill a bit, so I will still try to trim it against 5.2"1.1P/D. Just finishing carving :D I will still experiment with washin/out. I know one thing from my indoor sticks, that the small circle they have used crazy amount of washout and washin. Like 1/2". Example flight in such a small circle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3F2EZ3wCps (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3F2EZ3wCps)

regards


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: atesus on October 28, 2016, 08:47:17 PM
These are not exactly "my birds in flight" but are a joy to see in the air. They were built and flown by SF Bay Area artist Gail Wagner. The videos are from last Saturday, when we held our last contest of the year at the Waegell field in Elk Grove, CA. Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/vahF2_gY_C8
https://youtu.be/XOcPxZUE5So

--Ates


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on October 30, 2016, 04:29:30 PM
Wow, some nice flights Atesus. I think I would go bankrupt flying those biggies knowing how many motors I break ;) I wonder if the car in the second flight would be more damaged or an airplane haha. Some impresive winding equipment btw. I had good weather in the weekend so ... I went flying again. I have used smaller prop, 5.2" with simple freewheel and times improved. I made simple garami fw, but that looks maybe good on models like Senator etc, but I dont find it very attractive for scale models. Especially thread looks ugly. Can you guys suggest me some freewheeler, possible to make using normal human tools? Next model I want to make will have a spinner, so I wonder what kind of freewheel should I use for a balsa carved prop? I heard about nason clutch, I am not sure if this is the best option. You should know, that japanese tissue and gluestick works very well as a adhesive bandage, I hope its correct name..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUvIjNgCdsc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUvIjNgCdsc)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on October 30, 2016, 04:38:45 PM
Very nice model and flights! I really like the self-contained stooge on a bike idea too (although I think it would end in disaster if I tried it myself).


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on October 30, 2016, 04:58:02 PM
thank you! haha stooge, bike bags are very helpfull here, make that thing more stable:)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 30, 2016, 07:26:15 PM
The smaller prop certainly seems to work well with good height and a consistent power pattern. I noticed that the glide turn seemed to be tighter than the earlier flights with the larger prop.
Nifty emergency bandage!
Your indoor stick model flights were interesting - perhaps you should name that model - "Stubborn' as it refuses to stop flying - walls regardless.
I'll think you'll find quite a lot of info on clutches on HPA in the work shop area. Try a search. However one option may be to just use a small ramp style clutch filed into a length of brass tubing forming the bearing for your prop.
Check out model aces's recent FF rubber builds.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 30, 2016, 07:27:14 PM
Beautiful flights Ates! It sounds like it was a busy day on your field.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on October 31, 2016, 11:17:44 AM
John, thank you for the directions. I think I need still to play with the rudder to get the glide corrected, but at least it glides to the left now in place of spiral down right. I found Nason solutions on volare website. http://www.volareproducts.com/PFFT/FreeWheel,Nason,More.pdf so I will give it a try, since it hides itself nicely below the spinner.
Hah, the indoor mini-sticks at certain weights don't mind such a small obstacles like walls etc ;)

regards


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: mike on October 31, 2016, 07:33:15 PM
Built in October 1988, this rubber powered rogallo wing model had its annual outing tonight....


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 31, 2016, 08:11:09 PM
Where's the black cat?
john


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: mike on November 01, 2016, 03:43:07 AM
Where's the black cat?
john

She's asleep by the fire as usual....


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on November 01, 2016, 05:33:59 PM
Winds were finally below gale force for the first time in a month, so I went flying. Put up some quick flights with several planes because the wind starting picking up pretty early. First up - Comet Pepper, it's only my second time out with it, wind direction was unusual and so it kept getting blown right towards the lights, first snapshot, but it still got up 173 feet. At this point I can tell it's a nice flying plane.

Next, Hurricane shot up 206 feet, second snap, just a nice plane, but I've barely flown it yet. Last, good ole Lanzo Cabin rockets up to 231 feet and does an easy 2+ min., incredible as usual, even with wind. I was tempted to stay because the field was empty, but it really started getting windy so I had to reluctantly leave. I also got video, but the autofocus on my new camera kept going in and out, really annoying, turned off all autofocus functions and set focus to infinity, but that seemed to actually make it worse, frustrated with this camera! Got nice altimeter data though   :)



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on November 01, 2016, 05:42:15 PM
You are certainly proving the worth of RC assisted FF FG.
john


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on December 05, 2016, 08:10:48 AM
Noone is going flying anymore? That must not be the case. I found back my mig-3 peanut after few months it spent in the bushes. It was there all that time with raining and lying on the ground, but the issue was tight and shining :-) The only thing was increased washout on one wing but was easy to fix without recovering the wing. Plus small patch on the nose. It also got new nose block, since the old one was not that well done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkQOmD_D2ls

regards,
fitnezz


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Mefot on December 05, 2016, 08:43:14 AM
Happy to see it survived almost unscathed and that it still flies so well. Is it your design or a commercially available plan ?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on December 05, 2016, 12:22:40 PM
Indeed, pretty funny esp with dutch weather with raining and a lot of moisture in the air.  http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=1443, scaled down to 13' and made more peanut way with less wood etc.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Mefot on December 05, 2016, 03:09:48 PM
Thank you for the link  :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on December 20, 2016, 12:21:15 PM
More winterflying yo, this time arado from comet :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkVicW1Xnd0


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dosco on December 20, 2016, 12:33:16 PM
More winterflying yo, this time arado from comet :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkVicW1Xnd0

Nice. That thing goes and goes, doesn't it!

-Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on December 20, 2016, 05:22:55 PM
Very nice flying model FN.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on December 20, 2016, 06:08:04 PM
Thanks!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on January 17, 2017, 01:50:31 PM
I picked up my first Gollywock from the late Don Brown's estate. I was somewhat skeptical about it given that not one single panel of the flying surfaces is flat, but hey, why not try it out. Assembled it, loaded in 16 strands x 30 g, and gave it a test glide. And it glided nicely. So I wound it up a little, and it flew away just fine. Well then...

None of the surfaces were properly keyed, so I keyed them, added a Gurney flap under the right wingtip to widen the circle, took out some right thrust, and tweaked the stab incidence a little. The drive dog for the prop uses a set screw. I found out there was no flat ground on the shaft, so whenever the prop locked, it would slip a touch, and then the fold became inconsistent and the glide went nuts. No bueno. I tried fighting with it for a while and finally had enough and just bent the shaft over and eliminated the drive dog. Voila, end of problems. I did also add rubber bands to close the blades firmly against the fuselage, because that's an OCD requirement for me.

Anyway, now it's at my personal comfort level for a contest plane, except that it'll be years before it does the slightest bit of competing. But in the meantime, it's waaay fun for sport flying. Does over a minute on something like 350 turns or something ridiculous like that. I can see how these do over 3 minutes in dead air. Quite an airplane.

Bottom line, if you don't have a Gollywock, build yourself one, or see if someone in your club has an old one they want to unload. You won't regret it.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: cbaker65 on January 17, 2017, 05:47:40 PM
I picked up my first Gollywock from the late Don Brown's estate. I was somewhat skeptical about it given that not one single panel of the flying surfaces is flat, but hey, why not try it out. Assembled it, loaded in 16 strands x 30 g, and gave it a test glide. And it glided nicely. So I wound it up a little, and it flew away just fine. Well then...

None of the surfaces were properly keyed, so I keyed them, added a Gurney flap under the right wingtip to widen the circle, took out some right thrust, and tweaked the stab incidence a little. The drive dog for the prop uses a set screw. I found out there was no flat ground on the shaft, so whenever the prop locked, it would slip a touch, and then the fold became inconsistent and the glide went nuts. No bueno. I tried fighting with it for a while and finally had enough and just bent the shaft over and eliminated the drive dog. Voila, end of problems. I did also add rubber bands to close the blades firmly against the fuselage, because that's an OCD requirement for me.

Anyway, now it's at my personal comfort level for a contest plane, except that it'll be years before it does the slightest bit of competing. But in the meantime, it's waaay fun for sport flying. Does over a minute on something like 350 turns or something ridiculous like that. I can see how these do over 3 minutes in dead air. Quite an airplane.

Bottom line, if you don't have a Gollywock, build yourself one, or see if someone in your club has an old one they want to unload. You won't regret it.

Gollywock....Lol ...What a name!

Nice ,it looks like it will stay airborn forever!.... ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: calgoddard on January 17, 2017, 06:31:35 PM
Joshua -

It's hard for me to believe this is your first Gollywock.

I have a breezy conditions Gollywock that weighs about 75 grams and climbs like crazy on 16 x 1/8 - 25 grams of rubber.  It has a fixed prop so I can fly it in FAC contests. I know you can rubber band a folder to keep it open, but I like the nice fixed Superior prop on this model.  I can swap the wings and tail feathers of this Gollywock onto a Jabberwock fuselage. The Gollywock was the first OTR model I built.  I put diagonals on the fuselage, worried about the torque of a huge motor.  They were unnecessary.  

I have a calm weather Gollywock that weighs about 45 grams and climbs very slowly on 8 x 1/8 - 25 grams of rubber.  It has about a two minute motor run. It has a folding prop.

Both models carry an RF locator - they can go a long, long way, even with a DT.

Everyone should build a Gollywock at some point if they fly outdoor rubber powered free flight models.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on January 18, 2017, 03:44:50 PM
Gollywock....Lol ...What a name!

Nice ,it looks like it will stay airborn forever!.... ;D

It's an old design...1938 or so. One of the best and most popular rubber endurance designs in all of history. It has stood the test of time, and yes, they do stay airborne forever.

Joshua -

It's hard for me to believe this is your first Gollywock.

I don't tend to build what everyone else has. Like I said, I didn't even build this one, though I did make a few changes to it. It's a good airplane and I really like it. Honestly, I should have built one a long time ago, but giving this one a new home is more fulfilling at this point.

I have a calm weather Gollywock that weighs about 45 grams and climbs very slowly on 8 x 1/8 - 25 grams of rubber.  It has about a two minute motor run. It has a folding prop.

That's an impressive weight, even lighter than Don Deloach's. I can image it is very, very competitive in the dawn flyoffs out at Lost Hills.

Everyone should build a Gollywock at some point if they fly outdoor rubber powered free flight models.

Agreed. I recently started recommending them anytime someone asks me what should be their first rubber model. I'm even more adamant now. If you've built something before, your first rubber model should be a Wock.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: cbaker65 on January 19, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
Well ,its not in flight yet ,but I fired up the engine ,needs some tune ,it had quite a bit of thrust & pull!
Here's a quick vid of test running the engine!So far I'm impressed with the power & thrust ,even out of tune!... ;D

https://youtu.be/u-WeDEyOJ5Y


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Tapio Linkosalo on January 22, 2017, 04:07:44 AM

I had the maiden flights of my new F1A Nordic glider yesterday. Nice day for winter flying on a frozen lake, with temperature a few degrees below freezing and moderate winds - good conditions for test flying. Spiked shoes are needed for running on the slippery surface. The model is short semi-LDA, with Verbitsky airfoil. Tows like a conventional model but launches almost as high as LDA's. Good compromise of the two worlds!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on January 22, 2017, 05:24:37 PM
Nice looking model Tapio. It looks very picturesque on the lake - just after sunrise?

john


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on January 22, 2017, 08:20:33 PM
 ;D flew in the gym tonite. all and all satisfactory results.
1) p40   almost there, needs a wee bit o weight in the nose.  spinner successful and rudder and wing broke. they are now fixed
2) p37 by comet flies nice  well balanced, i miss my black rubber as prop /motor lacked guts.
3) guillows Jetstream  Great Flyer when you increase wing dihedral
4) LA 5 by D diels  RIP crashed and nose caved in.  I think wing needed more dihedral than Dave Provided.
5) Guillows Dauntless (20 inch W/S ) flies Great.

Guillows planes fly nice at 20 to 24 inch w/s I have yet to see a loser in this range.  Keep it light and use wood throughout and you've a winner.

jim ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on January 22, 2017, 08:29:05 PM
Hard to trim in this cold but since it was shining, I have spent half an hour outside with unfinished yet hawker hurricane dimer from comet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o21evLOtnYA


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on January 23, 2017, 01:08:21 AM
Fitnezz, great trimflight. It seems to have potential ;D
Jim, you took quite a fleet to the gym. Good to hear that they all behaved nicely.
Tapio, your nordic glider looks very elegant. I am always amazeb by the aspect ratio of these gliders.



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on January 23, 2017, 03:07:40 AM
Fitnezz your Hurricane certainly looks nice cruising around. It looks like it has just a tad too much decalage and possibly may fly well to the right?
Anyway just my uninformed guess. it looks great up there above the tress.
Hey Jim were those walls picking on you again? :)

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on January 23, 2017, 04:42:15 AM
Yes indeed, its not trimmed yet, I think decalage is fine 2deg wing, -1stab, it needs just a touch more downthrust. I dont think I will try to trim it to fly to the right, since it has very strong climb to the left, surprised. Part 2 will come when the weather will warm up a bit:D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on February 19, 2017, 11:05:09 AM
Some flight pictures from my Mystery Ship Travel Air.
She flies nicely, but still dont want to take-off easily from ground...
Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: MKelly on February 19, 2017, 11:33:56 AM
Very nice Mystery Ship, and really nice flight photos!  Looks a little naked without a pilot though...  How big is it?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on February 19, 2017, 01:28:01 PM
I know, i know... i should carve one
Span is 24" ( short kit from Mike Midkiff)

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: MKelly on February 19, 2017, 03:44:13 PM
Roman,

Thanks - I've looked at that kit on Mike's website a few times and thought about picking it up.  Sure looks nice...

Mike


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: jbfly on February 19, 2017, 04:17:39 PM
It needs a pilot.
jbfly


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ironmike on February 19, 2017, 06:37:06 PM
Thanks rgroe--
For the nice in flight shots of old #13
Last time I had mine flying was around -84.
My gawd over 30 yrs ago.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on February 20, 2017, 01:02:00 AM
Mike, then it was time to have an other Mystery Ship in the air, even it is on the other side of the globe ;D
She flies well but struggles a bit with the take-off. Maybe it would help to lower the tail wheel a bit to get a better angle during the take-off run.
Did try take-offs from the ground back in 1984?

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on February 20, 2017, 07:09:39 AM
I went to the first Area meeting (UK) yesterday at Luffenham. I knew it was at Luffenham because a friend found it out at a club meeting in a pub in Birmingham. I should have asked the other twenty people there how they found out where it was. It was a good day, not as windy as forecast and not too chilly. I managed four F1G maxes  with my 60's My Coupe by dint of Ivan finding lift for me with bubbles.
After the comp, Ivan and I had some good flights with his FW190 (0.5cc Mills) my Stahl Curtiss showing promise and my Halberstadt also going well. Thanks to Paul Fynn for CD'ing


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ironmike on February 20, 2017, 09:56:43 AM
Hi Roman
Mostly I hand launched by grasping the left wheel spat.
She was a good competitor in the Thompson mass launches.
Maybe a prop with less pitch, ROGs may improve.
Actually Ive changed the design (cad) so maybe need to do another.
Sure did appreciate those pics Roman.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on February 22, 2017, 12:41:39 AM
Mike, thanks for your advise. I will try it.
Looking forward to your new one.
Glad that you like the pictures. I also fly a lot your Se5a (18").
Looking forward to build the P40 waiting on the shelf.

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on February 22, 2017, 06:01:12 AM
  Hi Bill
             Really like the FW190, is it built from the H.F. Palmer plan or is it an own design, would like some details if possible.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on February 22, 2017, 03:54:30 PM
I went to the first Area meeting (UK) yesterday at Luffenham. I knew it was at Luffenham because a friend found it out at a club meeting in a pub in Birmingham. I should have asked the other twenty people there how they found out where it was.
Bill, Well done with the coupe.  I suppose the above comments were done with tongue in cheek.............   Area events are now not "Centralised Areas".  By arrangement with the FFTC you can apparently fly anywhere as long as 2 BMFA members are present.  So you could sneak onto a golf course or Morecombe bay or Newmarket heath, etc., and make an entry.  It will be interesting to see what effect this has on Area events.  Ralph.  (Now retired from FF comps as I can't be bothered to do cross-country trips since we lost Church Fenton)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: applehoney on February 22, 2017, 08:00:22 PM
Shame on you, Ralph - giving up FF competition because of a few measly miles to drive.  About 230 miles to my field.. and back again; you just have to leave home a little earlier in the morning   :o

I have many fond memories of Church Fenton.  Sherburn, Rufforth, Elvington and Topcliffe too.    Good times.

.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on February 22, 2017, 09:39:50 PM
Roman, what camera are you using to get those great in flight shots?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on February 24, 2017, 01:05:21 AM
Crabby, I have a Pentax K-5 camera. For this pictures I used a 300mm zoom. But the camera brand is not important.
Every DSL should give similar pictures.
If your lens has a fast aperture, it's easier to get sharp pictures with a moving object.
And ofcourse, the light should be nice when taking the pictures.

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ironmike on March 10, 2017, 01:04:21 PM
Roman
You've done it.
Over the past 2years Ive taken some of my old designs
and reworked them in CAD. One of these has been the Texaco.
The original drawing (drafting board, pencil) was done in the
early 80s and the resulting laser cuts were a crap shoot at best.
Last year I reworked the drawing in CAD specifically the fuselage
formers to reflect my build on a square stick method.
Roman, your neat pics of the Texaco flying kicked me where the sun
don't shine, resulting in new laser cut files and parts.
So here are a cpl of shots of the completed 21 century Texaco.

I wanted a quick build to make sure of the parts and do some
tissue printing combined with tissuecals and decals to render
a easy to do color scheme. Dug out an old balsa carved prop
(not finished yet) that looks about right
All your fault Roman.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: tross on March 10, 2017, 02:49:14 PM
It's really nice Mike.
Very clean. :)
Tony



PS. (Quick, someone else kick him before he catches his breath) ;D :) :D ;D ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: MKelly on March 11, 2017, 07:29:26 PM
Mike, that looks really great!  Are you bringing it to Gainesville the end of this month?

Mike


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ironmike on March 11, 2017, 08:46:16 PM
See ya there Mike, Probably, maybe.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FLYACE1946 on March 13, 2017, 06:49:26 AM
IronMike we want to see you in action of course


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Duane on March 17, 2017, 03:05:03 AM
Thats a nice plane IronMike ! Lots of nice planes here as a matter of fact !
I went out the other evening and put the maiden on my Orion. Flew pretty good. Even exercised the dog.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on March 17, 2017, 03:37:47 AM
Thats a nice plane IronMike ! Lots of nice planes here as a matter of fact !

   
Looks like you will fit in just fine.   Nice photos!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ironmike on March 18, 2017, 03:39:05 PM
Thanks Duane for the great flying shots.
Just got back from the field myself.
Hilites of a near perfect day here in N TX.
Happens about 3 x /yr.

Enough whining self.

No. 13 is flying great. It required some tail weight and a little
down and right thrust.True to form from 30 yrs ago, best launch technique
was done holding the left wheel spat. Since I used a short motor for trimming
tail weight is a non issue as longer motors are used the CG will shift rearward
allowing some clay be removed from tail.

In flying both #13 and the P-39 some suprises occurred.
I added the 2 outer wing gun pylons (as shown in pic) to the P-39 to try and change the flight
pattern from a year ago that continued to be erratic. Flights today were vastly improved?

#13, despite what I would have assumed was inadequate dihedral, she performed very nicely
without a hint of any stability issues.

Begs the question:
P-39: What effect would the gun pylons under the wings now have on the flight profile?
#13: Is there more than just a lowering of the vertical CG effect? Is there
a forward rudder effect on this model that is an asset?

Pls chime in guys.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: USch on March 18, 2017, 05:57:22 PM
« It's been a hard day's night,
And I've been working like a dog,
It's been a hard day's night,
I should be sleeping like a log. »

Wake up at 5.30, flying Coupe and E-36 till 12.00. One and half hour to find the lost Coupe walking around the swamp, but a perfect morning for flying. E-36 is going quite well, Aunty Frezz' is still suffering from a bad transition from burst to normal climb.

In the afternoon drive to the new gym and flying HLG Cat. 1. Not bad the gym, a bit low at 7m and a lot of people passing trough to reach the second gym just behind but at least an occasion to fly! The models are still ok and in trim after 15 years, but the arm and shoulder is definitely no more the same. 28" was the best without even reaching the ceiling.

Going to sleep all night  ;D

Urs


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on March 18, 2017, 06:12:12 PM
Well some one has to do it Urs. :) Nice models and it certainly sounds like you made the best of the day.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on March 20, 2017, 02:58:57 AM
Mike, I am late to respond, sorry :-\
I am not sorry about what I have done to you ;D The "new" Texaco looks great and definitely derserved a rework. But I have to say, that I dont remember any bad fitting parts in my laser cutted kit... It went together nicely.
I still have your P-40 Kit and looking forward to build it.

Urs, looks like great free flight action. Good to see that you have some outdoor models ready. Maybe I see them next saturday?
Looking forward to it and hope for nice and calm weather.

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Prosper on April 01, 2017, 12:12:22 PM
A couple of weeks ago I hoiked this 16" span rubber-powered 109G off the shelf and repaired the broken-off wing it sustained last year. After a few short hops I gave it new prop blades, then a temporary rudder (bigger) to accompany the temporary tailplane - both to help with trimming 'issues'. A few flights later I gave it a 3/16" motor instead of 5/32" and coarsened the blade pitch to 40° near the tips. A few flights later I gave it some more lead in the spinner cap.

Today, with improving weather, it had its first full turns flight (https://youtu.be/7c4mGBOkNOE). That's 1200 turns on the 20" long motor and "she cannae take much moor, Captain".

The crate is heavy now with repairs and noseweight. The branch that got in the way is quite high and there were a few turns left on landing. I'll be shooting for a slightly longer duration and try to get a clearer vid and flight photos - perhaps without a transparent tailplane :).

Stephen.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on April 01, 2017, 04:22:01 PM
Those durn trees are always jumping in the way of our air-o-planes!  There oughta be an executive order prohibiting such dastardly deeds ::)!

NICE flight!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on April 01, 2017, 07:53:24 PM
The little Me109 looked very convincing up there Stephen. Your mods certainly seemed to help and it's good to see it back in action.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on April 03, 2017, 05:36:54 PM
Been 3 months, but I finally got in some 2017 flying, hurray! My goal this year is to spend some time doing flying comparisons with my four most outstanding oldtimers - the Sky Gull, the 1933 Lanzo Cabin, Early Stahl's Hurricane, and the Comet Pepper. Did the Sky Gull and Hurricane today, first up was the Sky Gull. Had to dust off the planes at the field, and it's been so long I was looking at them like 'do these things really fly?', maybe it was just a dream!

First two photos show the Sky Gull today, sitting on an apparent new patch of astroturf. Still looks great even though I've been flying the pants off of it, so to speak, you can also see some Dow 33 splatter on the windshield, seems unavoidable after lots of flights with full winds!

I've been using a 14 strand (1/8") motor, 22" long and getting fantastic flights, but I've been thinking of trying both a 12 strand 22" (I've gotten better climbs sometimes with fewer strands) and a 14 strand 24" motor. Some soccer and baseball people were there early when it was calmer (frustrating), so I had to wait, but I had almost a 2 hour window when they left (though windier), until a whole bunch of teams showed up and ended my day. Got in two full flights with the Sky Gull with the 12 strand motor. Conclusion: the climb just wasn't as good, even though it still did 2+ minutes (it's an amazing plane). So I think the 14 strand 24" motor is the way to go, that was the next flight. Got it fully wound, but when I attached the prop it buzzed out, I didn't know what was happening, but later saw that the superior freewheel front end aluminum piece broke. I've been using them for years for hundreds of flights and that's never happened, so it must have just been a defective piece. A cross piece got knocked out of the fuselage, trivial repair but I decided to call it a day for the Sky Gull. I'll try the 24" motor next time.

On to the Hurricane. In this case I've been using a 12 strand 22" motor, but I thought the climb looked slightly anemic so I tried a 14 strand 24" motor (same as for the Sky Gull). All I can say is WOW! Apparently the Hurricane has been waiting for this motor. It took off like a bat out of hell and roared up to 254 feet, really nice climb. Did two 2+ minute flights in a row, and it was windy. I posted some comments on my Hurricane thread and a link to a video of the second flight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAuWFgSi5X4

So they do fly! Always nice to get out and get a reminder of why this hobby is so much fun  :)  Should really finish up that latest build...





Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on April 08, 2017, 03:14:34 AM
  Hi all,
               This year at Scalemasters we are going to have an Ebenezer Mass Launch as a bit of fun.

           I've just finished mine, I decided on Messernezer for a name. It's powered by 2 1811 10gram brushless motors and uses a KP Aero Timer. It needed a bit of nose weight so I used a 2S500mah li-po, should be good for a few flights! The ESC's are Turnigy 6amp.
   

     I got a chance to try it out this afternoon, though it was a bit breezy, just check out the trees in the video.  All it needed was a slight increase in power and this is it's second flight.  Glides like a true Ebenezer though, I might have to work on that.        https://youtu.be/kTVE1Z31LbM

                                                                                                                                                                            Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on April 08, 2017, 03:24:11 AM
  Here's the Photo's.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Glenn (gravitywell) Reach on April 08, 2017, 06:14:44 PM
I have got to build me an Ebenezer!  That looks like good fun.  Beautiful little ship you have there.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on April 08, 2017, 06:49:41 PM
Good choice for an Ebenezer Dave and it seems to fly quite well.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on April 10, 2017, 03:11:19 AM
     Thanks Fellas
                         I got a bit of stick from a mate who thought the curved wing was a bit too extravagant for an Ebenezer, but I only did that to try and prevent the wide wing warping.    It's been a long time since I've had the opportunity to fly outdoors due to the council turning my flying field into a wetlands combined with unsuitable weather and other commitments.  I have a few unflown models I need to try and the "new" flying field I found looks suitable.
                                                                                                                                                                      regards Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slowfly55 on April 14, 2017, 02:23:18 PM
"Balsa is good, Paper is better"
What happened this morning. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjY0UkuOTsI

Peter



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on April 14, 2017, 03:32:33 PM
 ;D flew the hurricane in the back yard flies great i will lengthen the motor to entertain the grand kids

jim ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: kittyfritters on April 14, 2017, 04:18:05 PM
Sorry, post in wrong thread.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on April 14, 2017, 07:54:11 PM
What a thermal flight Slowfly. You were very lucky to get it back. nice flight.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slowfly55 on April 15, 2017, 03:52:15 AM
Many thanks OZPAF
I still cannot belief my luck, for it was a little windy, not much, but coming from all directions.

Peter


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on April 16, 2017, 07:18:24 PM
Quote
for it was a little windy, not much, but coming from all directions.

A very good indication of thermal activity. I'm always a bit wary when I notice this.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on April 17, 2017, 06:18:12 AM
Great one Peter!
Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: slowfly55 on April 17, 2017, 08:27:20 AM
Roman,

For me sort of RC. Hovering around well outside the boundaries of the very small flying field,the plane found the way back to me. Miraculous!

Peter


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on April 20, 2017, 01:19:41 AM
Peter, maybe you are just magnetic for your models.

Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: kittyfritters on April 27, 2017, 05:10:12 PM
The problem I've had lately is trying to go flying.  Usually, I go to a regular Sunday morning flying session at the "Grassy Knoll" (Sepulveda Basin Recreation Area), but this winter we had rain.  Thankfully, the long California drought is over.  There were some good flying weather Sundays but social engagements and a few too late Saturday nights (At my age you don't tell your wife you have to go flying in the morning when she wants to stay up late on a Saturday night!)  interfered.  Now we have winds.  (As I type this 30 miles per hour with gusts to 50.)

Is it going to be a good flying day?  Just check the tree.  Every morning, when I go out to pick up the newspaper, (Yes, I still read the newspaper.) I look to the west and check the top of my neighbor's palm tree.  If the palm fronds are not moving it's worth driving to the Basin for some flying.  If the palm fronds are moving...Building day!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on May 03, 2017, 04:33:24 PM
 ;D  at last my hiekel is starting to behave  a wee bit o weight in the nose is getting good results.

jim ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on May 10, 2017, 06:35:41 PM
Some more simple rubber powered flying, first flights this season for me:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfJ-eWhut8w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4cBw-Omza8


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on May 10, 2017, 06:48:54 PM
Nice flights - both models look like they have potential. Even the birds apparently like your Chipmunk.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on May 10, 2017, 06:57:44 PM
Thanks. Chipmunk went OOS, after about 100secs disappeared :(, the other needs fixes on the falling off noseblock to repair the glide plus some more trimming.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on May 11, 2017, 03:29:27 AM
Bad luck with the Chipmunk, 2 great models and flights. Kudos, Shame about the music  ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: fitnezz on May 11, 2017, 03:50:14 AM
Thanks! I lost my model because I made 2 adjustments at the same time, lesson learned the hard way:) Music, haha yeah I need to use it since I merge few vids into one file :O


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: BG on May 11, 2017, 12:47:09 PM
Fitness, you lost your model because it caught a thermal. This would have occurred regardless of whether you made one or two adjustments. Making two adjustments at the same time although generally ill advised because you can't determine which is the correct adjustment, does not result in automatic flyaway. In fact, your fly away suggests that your two adjustments were good ones and that the model was a thermal worthy ship. What you actually need is a DT.

BG


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on May 19, 2017, 03:28:46 PM
 ;D the grandkids dropped by so I flew the heinkel and the hurricane.  sadly Kier crushed my elevators on the heinkel so i get to rebuild them.  it was windy today so flying was limited anyway. Keir is not quite two and is competitive with the older brother so OB will have to show him how its done if he wants to fly with us.
JIM ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: USch on June 02, 2017, 08:02:55 AM
Yesterday evening I found finally some time to go to fly my Pearl 202, E-36. There was a bit to much wind for good trim flight's, but still very enjoyable without all the noise from town.

Some pic's of our field, not a FF site but RC. With low winds big enough to trim small class models. I managed to have the model DT into one of the gardens downwind, so I quit and stayed some time to listen to the silence  :)

Urs


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on June 02, 2017, 08:45:11 PM
Looks very relaxing Urs. reminds of a club house in Austria which had it's own bar :)

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: gossie on June 02, 2017, 10:15:27 PM
Oh how things have changed from F1C days for us. :'(


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on June 13, 2017, 07:57:09 PM
 ;D  i just finished my pre-production BUFFALO  by Dave Diels.  it went together almost flawlessly there were  couple of minor issues which i will be discussing with D D  the plane flies almost off the board. i added a wee bit o'weight to the nose and some downthrust and now ir should be fine. i'll shake it down larter

THE TROUT ARE BITING

JIM ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on June 25, 2017, 03:36:23 PM
 ;D  WELL  the grandkids struck again JONAH ASKED TO FLY MY AIRPLANES (NO PROMPTING)  so me Chris (DAD) and J WENT INTO THE BACKYARD AND FLEW cloudtramp jr, the P37 and swoose.  The P37 flew great and wound up in the trees a couple of times and cloud Tramp Jr did great doing circles.

afterward Jonah discovered a new book of mine.  He really enjoyed seeing the P40s with their TEETH.  For him that was fun

JIM   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on June 28, 2017, 02:54:16 PM
the buffalo is now undergoing flight testing, the p40 has been balanced and is working nice and finally swoose is back in action.
jim  ;D my builds do last longer now ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Skymon on June 29, 2017, 04:48:05 AM
Lovely Buffalo in Finnish colours.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on July 03, 2017, 03:46:40 AM
A lovely day on Port Meadow for the Oxford club's Dreaming Spires Gala. Many thanks to Charlie and Laurence for running it, and Laurence and Mike for judging. Well worth the long drive down for me. What a perfect spot it is on a sunny day like this. Winds were fairly light (if unpredictable), grass long, cows abundant, wild flowers blooming, bees buzzing, cowpats soft and fresh.


A couple of blurry snaps (maybe Russ has some better ones?) Second pic shows most of the scale entry. Not quite as many participants as this makes it look, as most of us entered two models each.

It was really great to see Derek Knight back in action again.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on July 03, 2017, 04:34:28 AM
Enjoyed the day, if only as a spectator.

Yes, I think I have some half decent shots ... Hard to tell just on the camera screen.
Will post as soon as I get chance to upload and convert them.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on July 03, 2017, 04:43:02 AM
Cheers, Russ. I'll look forward to those.
Here are the scale results. I took a sneaky photo because I always like to see them, but sometimes don't like to ask in case someone thinks I'm querying something or taking it too seriously.
I only realised half way through the afternoon that you needed two of your three flights to count. Till then I was merrily proceeding on the premise that I not only had four goes, but also that I only needed one good flight. Never hurts to check the rules before you fly I suppose!  ;D So, very pleased to get enough decent(ish) flights in to register a proper score. The static mark (no docs, but models still assessed) was also more significant than I had realised despite flying at this event a few times now. The combination of best two flights plus static mark gives a similar scoring system to indoor kit Scale.

Anyway, congrats to the winners!

(Sorry, don't remember what happened in the non-scale categories; there were some good looking gliders and other strange models floating around though)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on July 03, 2017, 07:49:50 AM
I agree with all Pete says, except I felt there were far fewer cowpats.
Superb site, good organisation, good weather (as predicted), poor support. Inexpilcable. Those who turned up - the usual suspects who always travel to this meeting - had a great time. We talk a lot about lack of flying sites, but it's lack of participation that is the real problem.
Some photos:


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on July 03, 2017, 07:52:34 AM
Two more.
Pete, I've been going since 1985 and never knew what the rules were. Thanks! Can you explain how the static score works?!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on July 03, 2017, 08:10:31 AM
I agree with all Pete says, except I felt there were far fewer cowpats.
True, but I still found one to tread in on the way back to the car park.
Pete, I've been going since 1985 and never knew what the rules were. Thanks! Can you explain how the static score works?!
I've no idea how the static scoring works. As far as I can see just put them in a heap on the grass and the judges potter round quickly with a little bit of paper. Unfortunately for me though, whatever their system it still seems to favour the more accurate, properly detailed models!  :D

Here's a link to some more nice photos and a bit of a write up by Danny Fenton on another forum...

https://www.aeromodellers.co.uk/forum/modelflying-events-news/32924-dreaming-spires-port-meadow-2017

Incidentally, I'm not sure why his nicely flying, enlarged KK Piper Family Cruiser (Gasparin 300 powered) doesn't feature on the score sheet I posted.



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on July 03, 2017, 08:31:03 AM
I agree with all Pete says, except I felt there were far fewer cowpats.
True, but I still found one to tread in on the way back to the car park.

 I landed my Avro 504K in a newly-laid one a few years back and stupidly let it dry. It's still on the wheels. You could build a house with it



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on July 03, 2017, 02:23:43 PM
Starting to get my photos sorted .... I went for a fast shutter speed that cuts down the depth of field, so some shots are still a bit out of focus. Those models will keep moving though ....

Start with a sharp one ... of a very sharp model and builder. Ivan Taylor's Hornet.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on July 03, 2017, 02:25:58 PM
The hornet at launch.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on July 03, 2017, 02:30:34 PM
Bill awaits the arrival of the flight judges.

The flying shot is from an earlier flight


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on July 03, 2017, 02:36:28 PM
Mike Smith primes his magnificent Snipe.

The Snipe at launch.

The model back around from it's first circuit.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on July 03, 2017, 02:39:56 PM
A man enjoying his flying!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on July 03, 2017, 02:43:33 PM
Pete's Libel was flying well.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on July 03, 2017, 02:48:03 PM
I've taken lots of photos of Peter Smart's Beriev in the past ... but a couple more won't do any harm!

Flight judge, Laurence looks on in the first.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on July 03, 2017, 02:51:03 PM
Great to see Derek back in the field  :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on July 03, 2017, 02:59:13 PM
Bryan Lea with his Citabria.

There was duration model activity too, but it did seem to be down in numbers to me.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on July 03, 2017, 03:00:16 PM
To finish .... the Snipe has you in it's sights!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on July 03, 2017, 03:05:29 PM
Great photos Russ, and the Snipe is a magnificent model.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on July 03, 2017, 03:39:22 PM
Terrific shots, Russ- thanks for taking and sharing them! You have a great photographer's eye I reckon.  
(And that first portrait of Ivan is so sharp I nearly cut my eyeballs looking at it.)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on July 03, 2017, 03:48:11 PM
Looks like a great day.  Too far for me to go.  I have flown Coupe there a few times - landed next to the pub, over the railway line, on one occasion.   ;D

What is the Derek Knight Auster - plan or kit?  

Ralph


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on July 03, 2017, 08:33:37 PM
Thanks for those great flying shots Russ.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on July 04, 2017, 03:54:15 AM
What is the Derek Knight Auster - plan or kit?

I'm sure he said he originally intended it for the AM/MA designs comp, so presumably it's a plan from one or other of those sources. It's an Auster Taylorcraft V I think.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on July 09, 2017, 03:58:55 PM
 ;D  hi everybody I went flying with my dad, baby brudder and grandpaw this weekend twice!  it was fun  grandpaw brought a box of planes and when he or dad launched them we would chase them and carefully bring them back.  there were lots of neat flights.  afterwards we played on the swings and went down the secret bumpy trail.  we also flew a kite the day it was windy.  the planes got wrecked but grandpaw doesn't care. they served honorably, entertaining grandkids.

love jonah and kier


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on July 10, 2017, 09:31:43 PM
That was fun I bet. Good on you kids - you will have to start building planes for Grand Pa soon.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on July 11, 2017, 03:42:28 AM
Here's a link to some more nice photos and a bit of a write up by Danny Fenton on another forum...

https://www.aeromodellers.co.uk/forum/modelflying-events-news/32924-dreaming-spires-port-meadow-2017

Incidentally, I'm not sure why his nicely flying, enlarged KK Piper Family Cruiser (Gasparin 300 powered) doesn't feature on the score sheet I posted.

CORRECTION: Not Danny Fenton, but Chris Brainwood. I talked to Chris at Oxford and all the time thought he was Danny. Not sure how that happened in my head. Apologies to both!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on August 05, 2017, 01:06:45 PM
 ;D  Instead of being at the Airshow at OWL's Head Maine (where i wanted to be but nor at $200 us a nite!  I held my own air show.
 Flying were the Following

Cloud Tramp  .. three x 15 sec flight on 200 turns in a stiff breeze,
easybilt avanger  got kicked around.  is too light in this breeze
swoosix   wing snapped.  time to rise from the ashes!
j mc h p40  underpowered for the breeze flew a short distance though and should be fine indoors.
X-13  got good flights . on last one went straight down  propeller stopped at former 3  time to rebuild.
miss ashley  still flies after all these years.

had fun despite the destruction.

now those of you who live in Atlantic Canada look for me at the Greenwood NS air show on aug 26.  i shall be wearing an airplane tee shirt.  say hi if you want


jimk ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on August 07, 2017, 10:26:35 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D  i went flying with dad and grandpaw today.  it was windy so our airplanes did tricks like flying into trees, flying back and forth across the yard and crashing.  We flew Ginger Plane (she MEOWED!) (SIG TIGER) the silver plane (P37) and the red Plane (miss ashley mustang racer)  they flew great till I smushed Miss ashlety (by accident).  Then Kier showed up and he smushed Miss Ashley too.  that plane was totaled BUT K tossed it around and it flew anyway.  My grandpaw's planes are unstoppable! ;D ;D ;D ;D


Luv JONAH ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on August 10, 2017, 08:10:20 PM
Long morning flying - 4 1/2 hours - I was actually hoping the ball guys would show up (for once they didn't) so I flew to exhaustion! First up was the Hurricane, first two photos. I've been using a 12" Hurricane prop with it and it flies nice, I wanted to try the 12 3/4" prop I'm using on the Sky Gull because it gets a noticeably longer run. Motor run was indeed longer, but altitude was about the same as usual and sink rate might have been a little higher (always a tradeoff), not sure about that though because there seemed to be a lot of sinking air in general today. In short, it didn't appear to increase performance. Interesting part is that, with the same prop, same motor, same number of winds, the motor run for the Sky Gull is still noticeably longer! So I guess plane/flying characteristics also affect the length of the motor run?

Next up was the Pepper. Really like flying this plane, just a nice performer. Prop even has a distinctive sound, almost like its purring on the way up, you can hear it in this earlier video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urK66XB6dGM

Last up was my Hell's Kitchen P30, haven't flown it this year. 3 years old now and it's taken a beating, but still looks good and flies nice! Some clouds rolled in, which means my better camera has something to focus on, so I put up a quick flight, stayed in focus the whole flight! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG1luctvUEQ

I'll confess I'm sore all over and flat on my back at this point, but it was fun! Motivates me to get my next new plane out.



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on August 11, 2017, 04:08:10 AM
The clouds certainly helped Larry. Your flight with Pepper was particular clear - included the pilot rotating to keep the model in view. There didn't seem to be a lot of difference between the climb rate of the Pepper and your Hell's Kitchen P30 - possibly the Pepper had the edge?
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So I guess plane/flying characteristics also affect the length of the motor run?

I wonder if the Sky Gull is able to hang on to a AOA closer to the stall and perhaps load the prop a fraction than with the Hurricane. In my limited Indoor experience trimming closer to the stall for the cruise seems to slow the prop RPM's.

However for the burst you'd think you would need a lower AOA - so it seems that you may have hit the sweet spot with the Sky Gull's trim and stability - allowing it to nose up on the cruise?

Ah well it's a theory for some interesting thought.

Thanks for the vids.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on August 11, 2017, 06:00:08 AM
Larry, have you ever lost one to the tall buildings? I would love to know more about your RC set up. It is very sensible. I want to keep my P-30s close by also. I fly in a huge area where when one decides to take off on you as my Sparky has been threatening, it's really gone.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on August 11, 2017, 11:04:02 AM
The clouds certainly helped Larry. Your flight with Pepper was particular clear - included the pilot rotating to keep the model in view. There didn't seem to be a lot of difference between the climb rate of the Pepper and your Hell's Kitchen P30 - possibly the Pepper had the edge?

Yes, they both have about the same climb, the P30 has the edge with a slightly better glide.

I wonder if the Sky Gull is able to hang on to a AOA closer to the stall and perhaps load the prop a fraction than with the Hurricane. In my limited Indoor experience trimming closer to the stall for the cruise seems to slow the prop RPM's.

However for the burst you'd think you would need a lower AOA - so it seems that you may have hit the sweet spot with the Sky Gull's trim and stability - allowing it to nose up on the cruise?

Ah well it's a theory for some interesting thought.

Thanks for the vids.

John

It is interesting, thanks John. Could be the AOA, also the Hurricane flies faster and is 10 grams heavier so I guess the prop ends up running a little faster. Never really thought about it before (and without the altimeter it would be hard to see these small differences). I might try one more session with the larger prop on the Hurricane, but I'm leaning towards going back to the 12" prop.



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on August 11, 2017, 11:14:30 AM
Larry, have you ever lost one to the tall buildings? I would love to know more about your RC set up. It is very sensible. I want to keep my P-30s close by also. I fly in a huge area where when one decides to take off on you as my Sparky has been threatening, it's really gone.

My Bob White Coupe ended up on a building roof a few years back, actually got it back from the building supervisor who found it on the roof!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpHlnPBr4eE   In hindsight, I think the battery went dead, too many flights!

The RC set up is shown in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V-bxTQrTdQ
Typical setup (receiver/servo/switch) is about 6.5-8 grams, and, including battery, total price is less than $20! For the P30, I put the equipment in the pylon, as shown in the building video.

I should make the Sparky, I have the short kit, and given how well the very similar Pepper flies I'm sure it's a performer. Add a little rudder and you can fly it full blast, my field is just a little over an acre so you'll have plenty of room!



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on August 16, 2017, 06:38:54 PM
I only recently figured out how to wring out the Sparky. It's a 30 year old model, and I never flew with someone who knew the plane. Now I just load up 4 stands of 3/16" and launch straight up. What a flyer! So much fun! Climbs to a stop and drops the nose and starts cruising, you are gonna love this plane. Great plans too.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on August 17, 2017, 03:16:10 PM
You've convinced me to move the Sparky up a few notches on the building queue! I'm sure it's a great flyer, Pepper has slightly more streamlined fuselage so it would be interesting to compare the data.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: cman on August 17, 2017, 04:38:32 PM
Hey Flyguy, the comet pepper looks great and flies real nice too.

Chris


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on August 17, 2017, 05:21:34 PM
I have heard but not confirmed that the Sparky out performs the Pepper. They are stable mates. I can't wait to see your interpretation!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on August 17, 2017, 09:51:29 PM
I don't know about the outperforming part, we'll see! Of course my bias is towards the Pepper, considering all the rewarding flights it's given! Or equal performance. But that would be an interesting comparison, you have me looking at the Sparky plans now, I also did a side by side comparison in the first minute of my Pepper building video way back, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgYevWT6zWo

I also just got the VMC Senator kit, been staring at the plan for an hour, thinking that's next!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on August 18, 2017, 01:14:38 PM
Larry. We are not talking about compromising loyalties here. It's not like your Pepper is gonna go hang itself just because you enjoyed an outing with a Sparky. There's always Paris for lovers, you and your Pepper will always have that. But do go cha cha with its buxom stablemate once. You may love the Pepper more for it! ::)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FLYACE1946 on August 18, 2017, 02:19:53 PM
The Pepper is just a simplified Sparky. The Sparky is a more challenging build but the extra performance is really a good pay off. The fact is that more designs for the Sparky exist so that shows a real contest model. At least 4 different Sparky designs but only the one for the Pepper. Great to see the Pepper  and Sparky flying .


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on August 18, 2017, 07:49:50 PM
Larry. We are not talking about compromising loyalties here. It's not like your Pepper is gonna go hang itself just because you enjoyed an outing with a Sparky. There's always Paris for lovers, you and your Pepper will always have that. But do go cha cha with its buxom stablemate once. You may love the Pepper more for it! ::)

Of course, I was just teasing a little there! Might be awhile, but I'm looking forward to building and flying the Sparky, even moreso now that I've build the Pepper. Once I get some altimeter data, I'll report back my impressions, should be fun!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on August 18, 2017, 11:05:19 PM
Jeez take your time. No rush on anything, just hurry up.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on August 19, 2017, 02:35:43 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: pedwards2932 on August 19, 2017, 08:05:36 PM
Got a chance to fly my latest Cloudbuster.... this is with about 800 winds......decided to push it to 1000 and lost it but I didn't get that flight videoed.  I have another one built that needs to be covered that is the second one of these I have lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0MB3gVdX_0


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on August 20, 2017, 05:32:29 PM
I can't say enough about the Cloudbuster. I had been off the bench since I was 10, and was now on vacation at the beach in Rehoboth Bch DE with my wife and 12 month old, and the in laws. I bought the kit in a kite shop and secretly built the thing during kid naps and happy hours. Nobody paid much attention to what I was up to. Almost suddenly I have this thing built and am standing on the beach hand winding, and some heads turned just as I launched...it flew immaculately, making me look like a wizard. It disappeared to the landward, at about 200' and that was it. Back to grilling salmon on the Barbie and drinking Millers. That days flight has been brought up a few times since. Great plane the Cloud buster, simple model but great memories!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: pedwards2932 on August 20, 2017, 08:05:34 PM
This is about 4th I have built to try to improve my building and covering skills.  Also with this one I was experimenting with printing tissue.  Since I lost this one I already have the next one ready to cover.  I have added magnetic wing hold downs and am going to experiment with multicolor tissue.  I cut these out with a laser engraver that I put together.  I also just recently assembled a 3D printer and want to try to make an adjustable prop bezel.  The Cloudbuster is pretty easy to build and it does really fly great......I just need to limit the winds in that field......there is a river on the other side of the houses and I suspect that's where it ended up.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on August 23, 2017, 04:30:50 PM
I like what flyguy is doing with the old time duration models... RC assist. Just the rudder to keep the plane in the same zip code... you ought to check him out. He flys down town NYC... in and amongst the concrete jungle. He has a very practical approach.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: BG on August 28, 2017, 08:38:48 AM
Craig Limber took a great photo of my Harvard II climbing out. Model is a fantastic flyer and needs a DT before I fly it again.

It is 24" and weighs about 50g

BG


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on August 28, 2017, 06:16:59 PM
 ;D I went to the Atlantic Canada Int'l airshow over the weekend and took 210 pics of the AS and three museums of planes in the province (NOVA SCOTIA)  It was a super long day for me I will post some pics tomorrow  and if there is any specific plane you want ask and i will send pics.  these are mainly patrol aircraft, stunt planes and planes used by the RCN  in the 40's and 50's.  also had a wing walker there.  i asked her if she was a little crazy and she said that it wasn't necessary but it helped ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  all in all a great weekend. next year it's in HALIFAX, NS.  THE BEST FOR ME WAS THE CORSAIR AND THE CF-18 DECKED OUT IN A CANADA 150 PAINT SCHEME.

JIM ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on August 30, 2017, 03:45:48 AM
 ;D told ya to watch this space   here are some recognizable planes.
couresy og greenwood air show/museum, shearwater museum and Atlantic Canada air museum all in NS
jim


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on August 30, 2017, 03:46:42 AM
 ;D  more, more!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ZK-AUD on September 04, 2017, 08:40:57 PM
Craig Limber took a great photo of my Harvard II climbing out. Model is a fantastic flyer and needs a DT before I fly it again.

It is 24" and weighs about 50g

BG
  So, is this what they call a PC9 / Texan in Canada?  Looks great and I would love to see the plan....


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 17, 2017, 03:36:22 PM
A really lovely day's flying at North Luffenham today. Many thanks, Bill for running the two contests.
Gareth Tilston cleaned up in both the Selby and Kit Scale, the latter after an entertaining fly-off against the not quite invincible Hewitt Camel (which later had a minor altercation with Bill's car after a fatal "just one more flight" decision.)

Here are a few poor quality iPad snaps from the day...

The fine DH Moth is Chris Brainwood's of course.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 17, 2017, 04:01:00 PM
For my part, I intended to fly my enlarged Guillow's Fairchild in both events, but after a decent trimming flight and a couple of perfectly good ones in the Selby itself, it suddenly zonked in on its wing and did itself some damage. Sometimes it just does this and, annoyingly, I don't know why. Luckily I'd bunged my older Fairchild in the car at the last moment so still had something to fly in Kit Scale (and I broke that one too, but some copious Sellotape sorted it out).

In the afternoon, the sun came out and we were blessed with near perfect conditions. Jumpers were blatantly removed, pleasure was expressed and the grass even dried out. Earlier, I'd realised that I'd accidentally brought my wife's wellies instead of my own so my feet were dry but may never be the same again.  (Actually it later turned out they were my son's wellies, whose feet are smaller still!)

Andrew Hewitt bravely tried this old Caproni monster that he inherited a while back (flew as well as expected).
I got some good flights in with my Malmstrom Hollandair. This is not one of those good flights (it goes a bit doollally in the middle) but it's the only one I filmed and I do like the way it obligingly flew back to the camera.
https://youtu.be/qn_4HC03LP8
No damage to this one, except a loose wheel strut- is my on site grass fix an example of a literal field repair?

(Finally, not sure if I'm meant to say so yet, but many congrats to Bill!)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 18, 2017, 05:48:06 AM
There's a far better report of this event (with much better pictures too) by Chris Brainwood, added to a rival forum here...
https://www.aeromodellers.co.uk/forum/modelflying-events-news/33012-the-selby-trophy-for-free-flight-scale


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on October 01, 2017, 05:56:29 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  ME AND BRUDDER WENT FLYING WITH DAD AND GRANDPAW.  I got to chase jets and the SHARK airplane it was fun

luv  jonah


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 06, 2018, 07:21:10 PM
A very enjoyable indoor session and a good turnout at Bushfield today. Good to see you all there and thank you to the Peterborough Club once again. Plenty of flying, but sorry no pics from me. I'm off to Rochdale tomorrow where the Norwind (formerly Clayton) Flyers are having a peanut and kit scale comp so I'll try and get a few snaps there. A bit of an OTT weekend of indoor flying for me then. Wonder if I should go to Nottingham next Saturday too. You can't have too much of a good thing can you?

(And thanks again for the plastic, Russ. I think a vac form box might be in the the making soon.)



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on January 06, 2018, 08:43:54 PM
An enjoyable few hours, Pete.
Here's the video I took of your SE5 at the end of the session.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnIgiqaphkY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnIgiqaphkY)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Andrew Darby on January 07, 2018, 05:01:22 AM
Nice flight Pete!

I missed this, I was on the way back from "Cottonopolis" as Derby had a FA cup game the night before...

I hope to see you at Nottingham, but just a correction for your Diary.  It is next Sunday, not Saturday...

Only five people turned up at the last one and our Hangar Rat, so the more the better!

I will be there hopefully maiden-ing the bird dog, so long as I can get it covered between now and then.

Andrew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on January 07, 2018, 07:35:31 AM
Lovely to see your SE5a strutting its stuff again Pete - looked like a near perfect flight  :D

I had Bushfields in my diary and my Camel to be flight-tested after repairs, but my son came back from the ex- with a severe flu last Tuesday, so we've been housebound since then.  :(

Jon


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 07, 2018, 03:07:45 PM
Thanks chaps! Sunday date at Nottingham duly noted, Andrew. Good job you told me and apologies for spreading confusion.

Many thanks for shooting and uploading that vid, Russ. I got some more flights in at Rochdale today, but after consistently avoiding the walls for many sorties at Alfreton, Nijmegen and Bushfield my pilot got cocky and flew straight into one this morning. I'd opened out the turn slightly which meant it stopped circling as the power came off. It's a very robust design though so no long term damage. True, both bottom wings came loose as did the centre section and a couple of rigging wires, plus a cabane strut was knocked out altogether, but it all went back together quite tidily to fly again with no evident detriment to the trim. Derek Knight, eat your heart out!

They had both Peanut and Kit Scale comps today. The flying part of KS was run to interesting new 'judge each other' rules devised by Dave Whitehouse. He let us enter multiple models so I was able to fly my Fairchild too.
Some blurry iPad photos of some the kitscale field (twelve entries in total) will follow in a minute.
Really liked the hall at Rochdale. Similar size to Bushfield, light and airy with a high ceiling.
A very enjoyable day as Ralph, John 'Hepcat' Barker and all present would hopefully agree. As Arnie said, "I'll be back!"


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on January 07, 2018, 03:12:02 PM
What are the details for Nottingham Pete?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 07, 2018, 03:23:04 PM
As threatened, some iffy snaps of some of the kit scale entries at Rochdale today...
Sorry they're so blurry and I'm not going to add all the names, although the first pair are Ralph Sparrow's (Many thanks, Ralph, for flight judging my own entries. I liked the new system and it meant no one person had to sit judging all the time, but it did mean some of us had to concentrate harder than we usually do!)

Static judging (to the kit plan) was done by Dave Whitehouse and Tom Crompton. Big thanks to them too!

Mark Brill's Rothmans Pitts was flying very nicely. Lovely model.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: danmellor on January 07, 2018, 03:31:30 PM
Bill, It is 3.30-630 at the HH again. As it's a bit later, I'm not sure I can make it now, as I'm out for a meal that night. Bugger. I thought it was 2-5 again.

Dan.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 07, 2018, 03:32:43 PM
Can't you just eat later, Dan? We need to see your models in action!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on January 07, 2018, 03:37:41 PM
Thanks Dan. So it´s the place where I slipped in the mud and fell arse-first into my model box.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: danmellor on January 07, 2018, 03:49:27 PM
That's the one, Bill. Sadly, the meal is already booked by Jane's boss, so I'm stuck with a 7pm curry. The usual 5pm finish would have been perfect! On the plus side, it gives me an extra few weeks to finish the Farman before the next Alfreton do; which I WILL make it to.

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ZK-AUD on January 07, 2018, 04:33:50 PM
As threatened, some iffy snaps of some of the kit scale entries at Rochdale today...
Sorry they're so blurry and I'm not going to add all the names, although the first pair are Ralph Sparrow's (Many thanks, Ralph, for flight judging my own entries. I liked the new system and it meant no one person had to sit judging all the time, but it did mean some of us had to concentrate harder than we usually do!)

Static judging (to the kit plan) was done by Dave Whitehouse and Tom Crompton. Big thanks to them too!

Mark Brill's Rothmans Pitts was flying very nicely. Lovely model.

I trust the bags or whatever in photo 6 were well attached!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: MKelly on January 07, 2018, 05:17:18 PM
Got the Navion out for a second trim session yesterday.  This thing likes to fly!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwuRm74fB1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwuRm74fB1s)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 07, 2018, 06:30:25 PM
but my son came back from the ex- with a severe flu last Tuesday, so we've been housebound since then.  :(

Severe flu is no joke. Really hope he's feeling better, Jon.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on January 08, 2018, 03:43:21 AM
Thanks Pete.  It took a week of total rest.  Sometimes he seemed fine - watching TV or reading - then suddenly he'd deteriorate and would just wimper and need holding.  Yesterday he finally appeared better and we both needed a change of scene, so I took him out to our local country pub for a hearty Sunday lunch!   :D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 14, 2018, 05:05:40 PM
A warm welcome from the Notts boys and a very pleasant 3 hours of flying at the Harvey Hadden today. Well worth the hour and a half drive for me.
A few indifferent iPad snaps...

1 & 2: Briggs and Darby Elves respectively. Both going very nicely. Should have got a shot of Richard Granger's all sheet version too.
3. Paul Briggs's box of tricks. The little Spit went really well. Photo doesn't do any of them justice.
4. A couple of John Churchill's fine models.
5. Andrew Darby Cessnas- old and new.
6. The models wot I brought myself (Boxy Lady's new Pied Piper colour scheme is due it being misguidedly entered in a very windy Rubber Bowden at Old Warden. I repaired all the resulting broken red tissue panels with yellow instead, which I think improves its appreance a bit. Eventually it will turn into a YHWM!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Andrew Darby on January 14, 2018, 05:36:40 PM
Petes models in action.  You've got to love the Chub.  Big, yellow and fun to watch, a real grinner...

His Boxy lady was going well too.

https://youtu.be/Rd5F7xC37kIe

https://youtu.be/79f1CyFXCYo

Andrew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: danmellor on January 14, 2018, 05:37:46 PM
Nice pics, Pete! Really peeved I couldn't get today. The curry was cancelled, as so many folk are ill, but I didn't fancy the drive up the M1 whilst coughing violently every 5 minutes...

Nice to see your "Chub" is alive and well. It's still on my "to do" list!

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on January 14, 2018, 05:42:46 PM
Sorry to miss this today too, but at least I can see a bit of what went on. Thanks Pete and Andrew :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: danmellor on January 14, 2018, 07:07:12 PM
Is that a Demoiselle from the Mooney plan amongst Paul's stuff? Another one I want to do again after an abortive attempt as a teen.

Cheers,

Dan.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Andrew Darby on January 14, 2018, 07:08:12 PM
Pete's SE5A..

https://youtu.be/ChtN2pAvdpA

Andrew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on January 14, 2018, 07:20:03 PM
 ;D ;D went flying for the first time this year. manage to crash 2 planes an old piper cub and the p60 shark. the shark wanted to dive and flip over so i wasn't interested in wasting time fixing it.  it was an expt not a labour of love.  the p40 was wobbly and minnow flew great as always. its great to get back in the saddle.

jim ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on January 14, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
Is that a Demoiselle from the Mooney plan amongst Paul's stuff?
He said Bill Hannan, but probably just meant it's the plan in one of the Hannan books, which is indeed the Mooney one I think. It's not finished but looks very tidy and he says he's also planning a more scale one, of the Mag Men version. He had with him the little French pilot already carved in foam.
I love the Demoiselle and must do one too!

And many thanks for the flight vids, Andrew.

Pete


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on February 06, 2018, 02:59:20 PM
I've got Jim Walston's Pacific Ace and I nursed it back to health. Check it out: https://youtu.be/fHlVCJ1jiUw


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PB_guy on February 06, 2018, 05:02:29 PM
Great flights. Nice to see the youngster's enthusiasm.
ian


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: danmellor on February 06, 2018, 07:18:20 PM
https://youtu.be/pVfFw7uNm-o

West Wings 36" Cub with GM300 for Kit Scale at this year's UK Indoor Scale Nats. 2nd Indoor session and calling it trimmed!

Dan.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on March 04, 2018, 07:36:29 PM
  ;D  flew the italiaN JOB AND IT IS NOT TOO SHABBY.  I NEED TO SOFTEN THE RUBBER A BIT SO I CAN GET MORE TURNS AT LEAST SHE FLEW WITHOUT TOO MANY VICCES. A GPOOD ONE FOR OUTDOORS.

F8B  NEEDS WEIGHT IN THE NOSE, DITTO WITH THE TBM.
THE PIPER CUB FLEW GREAT

jim  ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: raggedflyer on March 18, 2018, 05:58:00 AM
Second dump of snow overnight in Southern England so even Indoor Flying was out. We have other viable options though.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on March 18, 2018, 08:03:29 PM
Wild looking beast RF. Hope the weather picks up for you soon.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on March 29, 2018, 10:13:47 PM
AIR CAMPER 18" Dumas kit # 231  Flight Report Mar 18 2018

     Well boys, I think I just had my best all around flying day yet, ever - no endurance records - just all perfect flights ( after it sat all winter! ).   The wind earlier in the day was 14 mph gusting to 22 mph, so I waited til an hour before sundown hoping that the wind would die down.  And die down it did - 7 mph gusting to 11 mph and 57 deg F, and still sunny.
My photographer wanted to film a video earlier in the day, but then had other things to do.  I had about 25 flights and I got 24 pics right into after sunset, when it started to cool off and I could tell the rubber was getting cold.   All of the flights were on about 60 turns of my 15:1 winder = 900 turns.  I never got greedy and never broke the rubber motor that was there from last year ( I had spares made up with me though ).     Two strands of  3/16" rubber, each strand is  12"  long,  and the prop hook to rear motor peg is 6.5".    ( This is a heavy motor - it also runs just fine, and longer flights,  on  1/8" rubber ).
LASTWOODSMAN
Sorry - I put this in the wrong spot by accident.  Moderator, would you please remove this post?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on March 29, 2018, 10:57:33 PM
LWM -What a nice flying model on a beautiful evening.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on April 07, 2018, 08:04:53 PM
   Had a phone call from Tim (THB) last night, just back from West Baden, "did you want to go flying in the morning". Couldn't resist that so I scrounged around an found a couple of models, our destination was Victoria Park where the Adelaide 500 Super Car race had been held several weeks ago. Some of the temporary  Grandstands were still being dismantled so it reduced the available space a bit.
   Perfect conditions NO BREEZE, I flew my coupe on about 150 turns and got some great flights walking about 10 mtrs to retrieve. The Aviatic had developed a warp leading to a tight turn so I only managed a few short flights.
   As usual all Tims models flew great with no dramas, after about 1 1/2 hours we called it quits with no damage.
   
Of course there was the usual spectator, an R/C flier,  "howmuch did they cost to buy"  " you could probably put in a small servo and then you could steer them''   To be fair he was interested and appreciated the simplicity.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on April 07, 2018, 08:55:24 PM
     Perfect launch and pose on the second pic Dave.  Looks like a nice field to fly in.  Thanks for the pics and inspiration.  Still very cold here in Windsor/Detroit area -  high temps around 35 - 40  deg F - the low this AM was 21 deg F.  :(   I can't wait to get back out there and try my  30"  Rearwin Speedster - can't stand looking at it on the shelf any longer (exactly 3 yrs now) - wish I had a buddy who could go flying at the drop of a hat!   8)   8)

LASTWOODSMAN


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on April 08, 2018, 07:46:35 PM
What a nice morning Dave. Spectators? - what about the 2 magpies picking up pointers from the FF specialists :)

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on April 08, 2018, 07:51:54 PM
 ;D  gym night
flew my useless penny plane SABENA!
p40Q broke up  its crying rebuild me. i'll use this corpse to correct mistakes this plane did fly good at one time
profile p51 needs finessing maybe a bigger prop? some weight in the nose or downthrust. ???
p37  JONAH READY!!!!!! ;D
HE 100d repair damage tweak wing tips and rebalance. Its getting there.

JIM ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on April 09, 2018, 06:49:58 AM
This is much harder than F1D - It's rubber power, free flight - but had to look like a real airplane too...
Dave relaxed with a classic Coupe duration design.
West Baden was great. But South Australia Supercar racetrack is ok too.
cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: pedwards2932 on April 09, 2018, 08:41:13 AM
Wind was gusty so had to wait for a calm moment.  This is my Guillow 905- P-51,  I had just printed a 5 degree shim and am dialing in where to set it.  I am going to need to make a magnet set up to hold the hub in because as soon as the rubber winds down it spits the prop out and it nose dives.  This was with 2 loops of 3/32.....I am now trying 2 loops of 1/8.  It seems to fly pretty fast for a rubber powered plane.  I covered it in mylar and painted....not tissue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-NCB_6o97U


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on April 16, 2018, 08:51:03 AM
 ;D  guy's ummm do you think we have enough toys to be entertained. ???

jim and grandson ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on April 16, 2018, 10:40:05 AM
That, Jim, is one of the luckiest grandsons on the planet!  :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on April 16, 2018, 08:31:49 PM
Good grief Jim - you weren't joking about your grandson's air force. Lucky boy :)

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on May 04, 2018, 02:30:10 AM
Last night I went to the local park to check out the glide on a new Coupe. There was a group of about 5 boys, aged 8 - 12 gyrating on the swings but what struck me was that not one of them showed the slightest interest in a FF model aeroplane! I was rather relieved to be left alone but also surprised. How times have changed!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: spliffsecond on May 04, 2018, 04:59:21 AM
I had the same experience in a local park,
while I was trimming a glider.
Absoluty ingored by everybody.
Until the glider started soaring over their heads,
all the kids looked up, started yelling “airplane” and
all ran to catch it when it came down.
Luckely my son was there first and kept them at bay.

Grtz free


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on May 04, 2018, 06:26:54 AM
I had a huge laff at My Olde Man’s expense  years ago. He always claimed that you could hand a small child a delicate model airplane and this said childe would naturally handle it with the utmost respect. Well he may have experienced this phenomenon once with some Martian childe, in another land, but the day he tried to prove it to me ended up in bits of tissue and crushed structure. As he tried the free the little model from the hellions hands the grip grew increasingly tighter, then the spastic arms began flailing. I thought this scene was screamingly funny, and laffed til I went into idiotic convulsions.! I can still see his useless dopey expression as he picked out the prop from the jumbled discarded wreckage. The spoked wheels were by now in the monsters mouth, and when his mother finally materialized she felt bad but, of course wanted to know he got his hands on this little plane, in the first place, since he was in a stroller! Well I guess you had to be there, but geez I got a real laff workout that day. I needed it bad! The demise of a Bristol Brownie! It never had a chance! That kid really showed interest!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on May 04, 2018, 07:45:23 AM
 ;D  crabby, my grand kids are 4 and 2 and they do handle my planes with respect. they learned very quickly that if you break grandpaw's toys he won't play with them with you.

a valuable lesson.

jim ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on May 04, 2018, 09:49:36 AM
Jim you are an expert at child-craft. Try teaching gentle meticulous handling to a 7 month old! I will send you a nice big red apple! ::) The hilarious thing about it is he knew not to ever try that with us when we were that young. He was a perennial show-off probably grand-standing for the mom who was a little ways off. :D :D ;D ::) My poor Olde Man was having his hat handed to him again! OH BTW it was a Huntington H-12, not a Brownie but that's another howler! ::) ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on May 12, 2018, 05:21:03 PM
Drove down to Old Warden for the Mayfly event today. Got there about midday and luckily decided to go flying straight away (rather than eat lunch) because the rain came in at about 2:15 which was a good bit earlier than the last forecast I saw. Still, two hours of flying in near perfect conditions certainly made it a worthwhile trip. Quite busy on the freeflight field. Good to see everyone, with a very nice variety of models up and about.
My enlarged, and increasingly tatty, yellow Guillow's Fairchild wasn't really flying right (now carrying too many repairs made to the repairs I think) but my Malmstrom Hollandair Libel still performed okay, so I'll stick it in the AM/MA Designs comp again at Barkston in a fortnight. Also flew my Aerographics 1912 Blackburn outdoors for the first time, before going for another look at the real one in the hangars when the rain started.

Couple of vids...
A short clip Pete Smart's electric Beardmore Inflexible flying in a perhaps more suitable space for it than a sports hall?
https://youtu.be/xNcCPR90ltY

One of my Blackburn's flights (slight blip in the middle when a Bostonian or some such clonked me on the head)
https://youtu.be/4bCeSNpq2zU





Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Andrew Darby on May 12, 2018, 05:43:52 PM
Nice to see your Blackburn climbing away. That inflexible looks really menacing! :o

Andrew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on May 12, 2018, 08:59:36 PM
Boy it looked black and menacing Peter :) Thanks for the vids - nice flights. That was a nice flight of the Blackburn - slow steady climb.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on May 13, 2018, 06:08:40 AM
Yes, I was really pleased with the Blackburn. I might even put it in outdoor kit scale at some point. It was just a shame the rain didn't hold off for longer as while the calm spell lasted it was lovely. I'll look forward to hearing how people got on there today, where the weather looks pretty good so perhaps I chose the wrong day. (Unfortunately it's a three hour drive each way for me so I can't really justify going back again!)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on May 13, 2018, 02:17:33 PM
 ;D  the kid and grandkids visited for mother's day so we played with the F8B AND THE PIPER CUB.  the son got in several good flights but on the last one it hit the back deck and tore a wing off.  the piper sustained minor damage. the younger grandkid learned how to hold the plane so grandpaw could wind the elastic.

not only that turkey vultures flew overhead.  the big joke was that the birds were looking for a meal and the planes were it.

Asia dog celebrated by rolling in deer crap ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) so guess who got a bath afterwards? :o ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???


a good time was had by all.

jim ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on May 13, 2018, 07:48:00 PM
Your grand kids are very lucky Jim. Great day.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Rich Adams on May 17, 2018, 01:05:50 PM
Mike Midkiff and I took advantage of another rare day of calm weather to grab some flying time. He flew his Hansa Brandenburg electric and FW190 rubber ships and I took out my newly repaired SE5. Had a great time in a wheat field. Mike's models flew exceptionally and mine is getting there.

First picture is the field with Mike in the middle. Next two are of his Brandenburg.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Rich Adams on May 17, 2018, 01:08:37 PM
These pictures are the SE5. Needs more trim work to get the turn right.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on May 17, 2018, 09:12:35 PM
Plenty of space there Rich and Mike.

I took advantage of a calm but cool evening to do some trimming on a new replacement 300mm WS CLG. I must have been lucky as on a hard pull(3.5 x static length ) I was getting very nice transitions(no stall - straight into the left glide), with minimal trimming, using just the built in settings. The times were not fantastic at around 40+ seconds, timing started after I grabbed(fumbled) the stop watch out of my mouth and it had already transitioned by then.

Just as well it was cool sinking air as the park would have not been big enough to take better flights.

BTW Richard - it's also being used for cricket in the summer :)

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on June 03, 2018, 07:10:48 AM
Went flying today with son Hugo - beautiful day here in Adelaide South Australia. Usually one of these parks around the city is free for flying - though a lot of them full of sport and dogs etc this morning. But we found a good one and had a great morning in the air.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on June 03, 2018, 08:24:23 AM
Very Cool Tim, Hugo looks a natural.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on June 03, 2018, 09:28:48 PM
Beautiful shot of your son launching Tim. How did the old sorceress fly? I still remember the build contest for Biplane Racers between your self and Dave. Is Dave's model still flying?

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on June 06, 2018, 06:21:05 AM
Hi John - great to hear from you. Not the Scorceress but another bipe called 'Sundancer'
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/tags/williamscangie/interesting/
cheers
Tim


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ZK-AUD on June 06, 2018, 06:26:56 AM
Hey Tim I want one of those!  Do you have a plan?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on June 06, 2018, 09:50:43 AM
Right Tim - now I remember - didn't Dave do the Sorceress? Good luck with life, flying and your indoor efforts Tim.

John



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on June 07, 2018, 05:25:43 AM
Sorry ZK - I think it was built basically over a 3-view. I would have drawn up the formers...  but long lost I think.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on June 10, 2018, 02:08:49 PM
On the 40 minute drive home from Barkston Heath, there is one 100 yard section where the sky is obscured by trees. At the precise moment we entered it, there was an almighty roar directly overhead and we caught the briefest glimpse of the Lancaster and Hurricane passing overhead. I was vexed.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on June 10, 2018, 02:41:57 PM
Quote
On the 40 minute drive home from Barkston Heath, there is one 100 yard section where the sky is obscured by trees. At the precise moment we entered it, there was an almighty roar directly overhead and we caught the briefest glimpse of the Lancaster and Hurricane passing overhead. I was vexed.
What a pity, but the sound allone must have been gorgeous.

Today thunderstorms have been forecasted for the evening. Somehow it didn't happen... Therefore I packed some planes and went to the field for some flying.
Dead calm air and some nice light was waiting for me.

Roman




Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on June 10, 2018, 02:43:30 PM
some more... Ignore the dust on the wing.... ::)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on June 10, 2018, 03:07:55 PM
Great pics Roman !!    8)   ::)

LASTWOODSMAN
Richard


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on June 10, 2018, 07:59:37 PM
Always a treat to see your photos Roman, Kudos


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on June 10, 2018, 09:01:19 PM
Thanks for that Roman. Your shots are always charismatic.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on June 11, 2018, 11:52:38 AM
Roman, I love the quality of both your models and your photographs!

Which SE5a is it by the way?

Jon


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: danmellor on June 11, 2018, 06:35:32 PM
Great pics, Roman!

Dan.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on June 12, 2018, 09:12:06 AM
Jon,
Quote
Which SE5a is it by the way?
Its the smaller Se5 (18" Spanwith) from Mike Midkiff (Aerographics Kit). It is very reliable... just take it from the shelf and let it fly...

Roman



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FLYACE1946 on June 12, 2018, 10:02:23 AM
Reference #854 second picture  is that a Pitts Special? Looks special to me. Real nice plane both yours and the original.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on June 13, 2018, 01:10:20 AM
Very very nice flight pics Roman!!  Always interested in what you are building/flying.

Don


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on June 13, 2018, 03:14:25 AM
Jon,

Its the smaller Se5 (18" Spanwith) from Mike Midkiff (Aerographics Kit). It is very reliable... just take it from the shelf and let it fly...

Roman


Lovely!  I have the same kit.  First though I have to take it from the shelf and build it!  :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on June 13, 2018, 05:53:31 AM
FLYACE1964, yes, its a peanut size Pitts special. I had quite some problems with trimming this beast. But I have new hope now. Just got a new idea what I could try to improve the flights of it. It's not the problem of the plane, its more my poor trimming ability ::)
Its from this plan https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=9864 (https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=9864)

Don, thanks but at the moment I am flying my old models most of the time. My building slowed down due to the increased work load at the office....  :( I hope to build more in the future again, in the meantime you have to live with my old planes ;)

Jon, build it, you won't be disappointed!


Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on June 24, 2018, 02:51:09 PM
 ;D the grandkids just left after a fun day's lunch and flying
we flew buzzard jr a high wing stick model and it did tight circles. one flight put it on my lower roof and my son was able to rescue it.
then we flew sparky and it's either under powered or not generating enough lift because it did a powered glide to the ground
j bell p40  got a couple of flights in before the motor peg holder broke.
orange crush flew well, once into the trees and onto my upper roof. we had to go fisjhing for that one.

all in all a fun day

jim ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: flygrimm on July 03, 2018, 10:24:33 AM
Hi Roman

What Staggerwing is that?  I started a dimer several years ago.  The framework was some of my best work.  Came home from a trip and the whole thing was reduced to matchsticks by the cat!  Want to get around to trying it again.  Maybe this fall after I get all these projects off my plate.  It's a Rich Weber plan from 2006.  Didn't see it in the Plans Gallery.  If someone wants, I'll email it to them to get it posted.

Stuart


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: bsadonkill on July 31, 2018, 01:43:45 PM
I got this off the builders plan web site. Its a Scientific Hornet. When built to plan the nose block is straight a head, so i had to add a bit down thrust to the trust button and the nose block. I need to get it going more to the right. I think the glide could be better.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on August 07, 2018, 01:20:37 AM
bsadonkill, great looking blue-yellow bird.
It looks a bit chubby, I like chubby airplanes!
I am sure you will sort out the last trimming issues soon.

Roman



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on August 25, 2018, 06:35:19 PM
 ;D ;D the grandkids showed up so we played with the following.
comet hellcat, baby blue, minnow (a stick model and the easybilt 17 inch spit.
a good time was had by all including the toys.  later the misses and i gave the kids the space toys. we saved hem from when our kid was a kid. will the great grandkids get them when they are created who knows ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???.  they don't make em like they used to.

jim ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on August 27, 2018, 04:57:32 PM
Tried mounting a camera on my modified Bob White Wakefield, below, seems like it works, there's a test flight from today at the end of this video where I show how I mounted it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVT-IOd6Gak
Next flight was nearly 5 minutes, and I got both head cam and plane cam video of it, will get that up shortly.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on August 27, 2018, 06:57:11 PM
Larry that was really cool, especially when the prop folded.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on August 27, 2018, 07:29:09 PM
Thanks, it is interesting to see it from the airplane's perspective! I just put up the only one full flight I had after that one (there was a heat wave. I tried to cut out as much of it as I could, but you can still see that my face is covered with sweat in the first video!). Did almost 5 minutes, so having the camera on board doesn't hurt the flying too much! Gives a nice view of the field, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBtZIjvpcp4


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: calgoddard on August 27, 2018, 09:04:24 PM
Flyguy -

Bravo!

Perfect viewing angle on the camera.

I am glad your Wakefield avoided that soccer goal when it landed.

 


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on August 27, 2018, 09:11:26 PM
Thanks for that Larry. The Wake handled that weight and drag without any problems. it's interesting to see and ear the sounds of flight from the model's point of view. It held height really well for the first part of the flight and it was interesting to see and hear the speed change with the small stalls from the small changes in lift/turbulence. Boy the rubber motor make a racket though :)

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on August 27, 2018, 09:37:24 PM
Flyguy -

Bravo!

Perfect viewing angle on the camera.

I am glad your Wakefield avoided that soccer goal when it landed.
 
That goal stresses me out, seems like I always hit it when it's left out, I quickly hit a little left when I saw it looming this time.

Thanks for that Larry. The Wake handled that weight and drag without any problems. it's interesting to see and ear the sounds of flight from the model's point of view. It held height really well for the first part of the flight and it was interesting to see and hear the speed change with the small stalls from the small changes in lift/turbulence. Boy the rubber motor make a racket though :)

John

Thanks John, yes I like hearing what was going on, though I was surprised how sensitive the camera is, I had to turn the volume down a bit in the video. There was a broken strand or two before I launched, so that's part of what you hear flailing, and the fold is pretty loud! It still flies nice with the camera, though it does have a little left 'pull', I guess because of the weight and drag of the camera on the left side of the wing. As long as I can still get a max I'll take it!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on August 28, 2018, 03:29:56 AM
That was very enjoyable, just got home from work and watched it, made my day! Thanks for sharing!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: flydean1 on August 28, 2018, 10:24:30 AM
I'm assuming you have a little rc assist going.  Whatever, it takes guts to fly out of Mid-Town Manhattan.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Indoorflyer on August 28, 2018, 11:28:41 AM
The rubber slap and prop folding sounds are "amplified" due to the hard mounting of the camera to the aircraft structure.
The wind noise reminds me of flying in a sailplane...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on August 28, 2018, 12:56:24 PM
I'm assuming you have a little rc assist going.  Whatever, it takes guts to fly out of Mid-Town Manhattan.

Yes, without the RC the field is too small even for peanuts. And the video shows that the river is really close by!

The rubber slap and prop folding sounds are "amplified" due to the hard mounting of the camera to the aircraft structure.
The wind noise reminds me of flying in a sailplane...

Good point about the hard mounting. And you can hear whenever I turn the rudder, so it's interesting, I didn't think about that part.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Prosper on August 29, 2018, 09:15:12 AM
Absolutely stunning Flyguy. Simple as that.

Stephen.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on August 29, 2018, 02:16:01 PM
Quote from: Prosper
Absolutely stunning Flyguy. Simple as that.
+1


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Prosper on August 29, 2018, 03:23:02 PM
Is that there the Empire State? I don't see a giant gorilla at the top so I guess not. I was wondering if those piers are the South St Sea Port. Something about the cam view of the model's nose - the deep brown tube and the folded (furled?) prop clacking against it, makes me think of tall ships.

Stephen.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on August 29, 2018, 03:38:55 PM
Hi Flyguy !  That IS a pretty awesome video.   Could you name a couple of the landmarks ?    That looks like THEE way to do it in a small park - rubber powered ascent, and r/c soaring and gliding down after. (That way you never lose your plane).  Thanks for that interesting video.   :)

LASTWOODSMAN
Richard


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on August 29, 2018, 05:18:51 PM
Is that there the Empire State? I don't see a giant gorilla at the top so I guess not. I was wondering if those piers are the South St Sea Port. Something about the cam view of the model's nose - the deep brown tube and the folded (furled?) prop clacking against it, makes me think of tall ships.

Stephen.

Yes that's the Empire State Building, gorilla was on a coffee break. After that you can see all the new construction going on in Hudson yards, then piers on the west side, you can see the Intrepid Air and Space Museum at Pier 86 (been meaning to go check out the Lockheed A12).

Hi Flyguy !  That IS a pretty awesome video.   Could you name a couple of the landmarks ?    That looks like THEE way to do it in a small park - rubber powered ascent, and r/c soaring and gliding down after. (That way you never lose your plane).  Thanks for that interesting video.   :)

LASTWOODSMAN
Richard

There's so much construction going on the skyline has really changed, you can see tons of new high rises under construction both uptown and downtown, and all those tall buildings in Hudson yards are new.

Agreed, I think rubber RC is the way to go for small fields, if I can walk to a field to fly rubber power in midtown Manhattan, than anyone can fly anywhere! I told a friend recently that I actually miss losing a plane once in a while, helps to thin down the herd, never losing a plane is getting to be something of a problem storage-wise at this point!



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on August 29, 2018, 05:56:05 PM
Quote from: Prosper
Absolutely stunning Flyguy. Simple as that.
+1
Ditto. Made my day!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on August 29, 2018, 07:10:25 PM
 ;D went flying at the club field conditions were a challenger as there was a still breeze and gusts.i got best results flying into the wind

these flew
comet cloudbuster aka guillows flyboy.  very nice results with launch direct into wind.  wings did need 1/4 inch incidence block to fly properly
easy built spitfire 17 inch span
easybilt p40 20 inch famous flyers. this series is nice once you engineer the design properly
guillows 500 zero @21 inch span
starleaf me 109 24 inch   very nice build.

the zero and 109 received minor damage but both were easily fixed

jim ;D



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on August 31, 2018, 02:56:56 PM
Lovely flying weather here today so grabbed an hour's playtime at the aerodrome with the Walthew MKII.  Managed to coax a 27s flight out of it, and even found myself imploring it to come down before it flew into the hawthorn hedge on the field's western edge.  Thankfully it did; about 8' short. Phew!   The wind direction today was a little awkward; across the narrow axis of the field.

Thought I'd lost it on the last but one launch.  It slipped the tow slightly over half way into the launch and looped hard and fast.  I bent the hook back up a bit right smartish for the final flight.  I think I'd rather it hung on the hook now and again than see that behaviour again.  

I only filmed a couple of this afternoon's flights; this one (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/43672582554/in/album-72157698412359154/) is about 22s.  I know it's not wonderful but my 10 year old self is very happy with the Walthew's performance, even if the only trophy it'll ever take will be the wooden spoon.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: DavidJP on August 31, 2018, 04:17:38 PM
Good i’nnit? 


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on August 31, 2018, 05:13:20 PM
     Hi Lurker - thanks for the great action video (with those wonderful skies), and flight report (always interesting).  8)  Sometimes, I also, just need to get out for some playtime, with no pressure for records, and those shorter flights can also provide great studies of glorious runs fighting the wind, recovering, and all of the other nuances of Free Flight.   :)    It is also great to get outside in the wide open spaces.
     I see your Walthew can "teeter totter" just like a gliding and recovering Turkey Vulture with its 72" wingspan and large dihedral.

 LASTWOODSMAN
 Richard


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on August 31, 2018, 08:11:51 PM
It's  flying well Lurk - nice floating glide. A slightly lighter rubber may keep it on the line longer or a slight move forward of the hook?
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on September 01, 2018, 03:10:19 AM
Quote from: DavidJP
Good i’nnit?  
Playing with "toy" aeroplanes?  Oh yes.

Quote from: LASTWOODSMAN
...some playtime... ...wide open spaces... ..."teeter totter"...
Any time spent aero-modelling is playtime. See my reply to DJP. :)

Alas, we don't have much by way of really wide open spaces in the southern regions of this cramped little island. The northern (and far more civilized parts) are better served that way.

As for the wing waggle; it pleased me to see it too.

Quote from: OZPAF
...nice floating glide ...slight move forward of the hook?
Yeah I like the way it hangs in the air too.  The problem with the slipped tow was an over-cooked modification to the hook's angle by bumbling ground crew.  The CFI had words (coffee was not served), the hook was re-adjusted and normal flying resumed. :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on September 01, 2018, 10:28:34 AM
Good am Lurk. do you have any inkling why the Walthew fought the hook? I never used a floppy rudder before and am not sure of its virtues, but could this behavior be solved by it? It just seems like the rudder took over as the airspeed increased, and your plane shook its leash like an unruly hound! If you ever get that plane to the top of the tow its going to wave fare-well!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on September 01, 2018, 12:09:18 PM
Quote from: Crabby
Good am Lurk. do you have any inkling why the Walthew fought the hook?
Morning Crabby,

Not got the foggiest.  At the moment my guess, and it is no more than a wild guess, is that it was because almost all the launches were into very, very light breezes tending to flat calm and there wasn't enough wind to pull the tow off the hook.  On launches into stiffer breezes separation was clean.  If I'd thought to try it I could have tied on an extra pennant to see if that helped, but I didn't. Never mind.

Quote from: Crabby
If you ever get that plane to the top of the tow its going to wave fare-well!
Well that'd be a result, of sorts, and as the raw materials cost a tenner, if that,  it'd be an excuse to build it again and build it better. :) 

I'll have to take it over to Uffington at some point with a longer tow as the Lurker Industries Aerodrome really isn't suitable for high launches nor extended duration flights.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Hepcat on September 01, 2018, 09:45:46 PM
Lurker,
I thought the 'Walthew' flights were a pleasure to watch but the bungee was obviously wrong. I did not say anything at the time and OZPAF(john)mentioned, in his usual polite manner, with no hint of admonishment,  that the rubber as perhaps a little strong.  I must confess that I have not flown bungee for a long time but I think 1/16th. square rubber would suit the 'Walthew'.
I don't think a floating rudder would help the tow. My concern would be that the high dihedral may lead to 'Dutch Roll' if the model starts to yaw on tow.
John.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on September 02, 2018, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: Hepcat
...the bungee was obviously wrong. I did not say anything at the time and OZPAF(john)mentioned, in his usual polite manner, with no hint of admonishment,  that the rubber as perhaps a little strong.
Ahh, you should have said.  I can take a lot of advice and, let's face it, I do need it.  It might amuse you (as much as it embarrassed me) to know that ABL picked up on a stab. misalignment this afternoon that I thought I'd dealt with and which when corrected improved the W's flight characteristics noticeably even on the 1/8" bungee.  I will give 1/16" a go, when I can get hold of some, as you and OZPAF suggest.  Glad you enjoyed the flights.

Lurk.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 02, 2018, 06:24:06 PM
A good day at the  Freeflight Gala at BMFA Buckminster today. Lovely, warm and sunny with a good turn out and some nice varied flying to watch. Wind wasn't very strong but a bit squally and turbulent for complete comfort. Many thanks to the judges and organisers. I put the big yellow Fairchild in Doug Hunt's scale comp. Just my kind of event; flying only and, as it turned out, an all rubber entry. Seven of us I think. The Fairchild wasn't really on song today though. I got a couple of qualifying flights in to start and finish, but its middle two rounds were failures, due (I eventually realised) to the tailplane having warped slightly in the sun. Still, I now know that the new knock-off system I used to attach the wings (after its recent fus. rebuild) works quite well so it came home with no glory but no damage to speak of either.
The scale result was 1. Ivan Taylor (Mustang), 2. Mike Sanderson (Guillows Beaver) 3. Gordon Hannah (not quite sure what model he eventually entered as he was trying out a few today.)

Among the various duration classes John Ashmole was running a cabin precision event, and just for something to do after my scale flights I entered my sturdy Ray Malmstrom Hollandair Libel. One wing was already in a patched up state after another model landed in my open car boot where it was innocently resting. It later sustained another broken wing when it flew into someone else's open boot itself and over the course of the afternnoon  steadily destroyed itself with bad landings and crashes, as Russ will attest. I refused to give up though until it had completed its three rounds and until I'd got something resembling a proper flight out of it. In the end my combined time deviation (from the 40 second targets) was a mere 83 seconds, putting me very comfortably into last place. Chris Strachan won, naturally. The Hollandair is now 90% selloptape and not very pretty, which is good as it'll make me build something new for the next AM/MA designs contest. Thank you, Russ, for timing for me (and sorry that one of its aborted flights had you as a target. Please don't sue.)

A few pics from the scale event attached. Haven't quite mastered my new phone yet, hence the Dali-esque quality of the last shot; no idea how I did it... captions please!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on September 02, 2018, 07:57:42 PM
Scotty- You can't stop halfway through beaming them up!

Buckminster looks very inviting. What a national site the BMFA now has.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on September 02, 2018, 10:55:20 PM
That last pic looks like the "Philadelphia Experiment" where the teleportation went awry  ...   :-\ ???

LASTWOODSMAN
Richard


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 03, 2018, 04:02:36 AM
Just watching was a treat yesterday, Pete.
I was pleased to see how the event was supported by a full cross section of free flighters ... From the sport flyer through to serious duration flyers.

That last photo has me spooked! I can't understand how details like the cap have sheared across and yet the cap sits upon an uninterrupted background! Buckminster has a special atmosphere already I think ... that photo takes it to the surreal.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 03, 2018, 05:08:53 AM
I like the way that in his shadow the cap's still on his head and you can clearly see the shadow of the obscured model!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on September 03, 2018, 07:11:29 AM
Three Went Flying yesterday, informally, casually.

My KK Auster Arrow (ex of the 2016 Indoor Nats KS) is now nicely optimised for outdoor.  A 16" loop (2x peg-hook length) of 1/8" gave 28 secs on 900 turns and 45secs on 1000 (downdraughts on the first flight or more thermally on the second?).  Here's the first, shorter flight with Andy launching: https://photos.app.goo.gl/su6sz8CrVpBxudcK9 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/su6sz8CrVpBxudcK9)

Lurk's VMC Hurricane is getting better trimmed each time.  Here's one of the improving flights:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/RBG3sNWcxjc69imb8 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/RBG3sNWcxjc69imb8)

Andy was gradually re-trimming his VMC Cessna for a right-hand circuit.  Still on low turns, here's it behaving nicely:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/o5fP5JQLLAptPF1u6 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/o5fP5JQLLAptPF1u6)

These guys are sensible, cautious types with careful 'engineering-type' minds - whereas I'm considered reckless, foolhardy and dangerous...  ;D

Jon

PS And a real Hurricane flew over!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: DavidJP on September 03, 2018, 08:16:55 AM
Rather nice and the launch of your Auster was so gentle graceful and smooth - rather like a moment from Swan Lake! 

Thank you Jon.

We have had some wonderful flying weather this year. 


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Andrew Darby on September 03, 2018, 08:21:31 AM
I missed that comp Completely, I hadn't seen Doug for a while as I haven't been at the NMAC meetings for ages.

A few pics from the scale event attached. Haven't quite mastered my new phone yet, hence the Dali-esque quality of the last shot; no idea how I did it... captions please!

Is Buckminster near Scarfolk?

If you google Scarfolk, you will see what I mean, but be warned it is very very dark - In the way that "The League of Gentlemen" is dark...

Andrew


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on September 03, 2018, 08:39:53 AM
Great Videos Jon   8)  - looks like you three had a great time flying.   And the Hurricane flying with Landing Gear down looks really good in the air too.   :)

LASTWOODSMAN
Richard


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on September 03, 2018, 12:53:47 PM
Quote from: Jack Plane
Three Went Flying yesterday, informally, casually.
Oi! Do you mind!? That was my Sunday best clobber! That shirt and those trousers have got decades of use left in them yet. Harumph!

Quote from: Jack Plane
Lurk's VMC Hurricane Hawker F.36/34 Interceptor Monoplane ( :) ) is getting better trimmed ...
With, it must be said, a good deal of help from Abl & JP.

Quote from: Jack Plane
These guys are sensible, cautious types...
Having said that at least one of the party was trying to trim a beautiful peanut scale Zero (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/43531118735/in/album-72157698791156425/) outside!  Bravery, foolhardiness or outright insanity?  You choose.

I managed to get the first half of the Arrow's 45s flight (and it was a joy to watch) before my Box Brownie lost focus as well as another of Abl's Cessna, but Flickr is being an utter pain and timing out when I try and upload them.  Discs have been sent to JP and Abl and I hope either JP or Abl will put the footage somewhere accessible.

Quote from: Jack Plane
...And a real Hurricane flew over!
Not forgetting the Harvard half an hour so earlier.

Dunno about the other blokes, but I had fun.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on September 03, 2018, 01:19:06 PM
I like the way that in his shadow the cap's still on his head and you can clearly see the shadow of the obscured model!
The result of a dodgy anti-shake / image stabilization algorithm perhaps?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 04, 2018, 06:15:39 PM
Quote
Thank you, Russ, for timing for me (and sorry that one of its aborted flights had you as a target. Please don't sue.)

A little too late I'm afraid .... I have hired a couple of the best solicitors, Messrs Chuck and Duck. You will hear from them very soon.
Very tough guys .... I advised them that three sheets of Esaki would be suitable compensation, but they will be pushing for four.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on September 05, 2018, 11:54:30 AM
Went to our local r/c flying site today, aka the cricket club, in lovely September sunshine.  Flew my new disk, scaled from friend Stewart's Nutball.  Mine is from a 9.25" pizza base, the pizza devoured previously by my grand daughter - I don't like hot cheese.  The Disk, as I call it, is 4mm foam with the dimpled surface to the top.  The small fuselage is from 3mm foam.  The motor gearbox came from Banggood at 5 for $15 including prop and gearbox (5.33 to 1 ratio). A Spektrum 3 channel receiver/servo brick is used with a 1S 160mAh lipo. The prop as supplied needs cutting down to 4" diameter and chord trimmed to 1/2".  It flies at a high angle of attack.  It is very manouverable and tough.  Should be okay to fly indoors.  Stewart managed to catch the model in flight.  Also flew the Veron Fury under r/c.  There may be videos for the Disk and Fury later on.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: flydean1 on September 05, 2018, 12:20:48 PM
The disk brings back memories of the Arup flying wing.   It too was quite stable.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: RalphS on September 06, 2018, 03:27:14 PM
Further to post 908 above.  Video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1VnijvvqIg


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on September 06, 2018, 08:18:04 PM
Your Disc looks perfect for that area. It is quite stable while still having plenty of control. Thanks for the video Ralph.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 10, 2018, 05:48:24 AM
Had a lovely time at the 23nd Peterborough Flying Aces yesterday. I briefly considered not going as the wind forecast was 17mph gusting towards 30. It was certainly pretty blustery but still some good flying to be had for the brave or foolhardy. Many thanks to the Peterborough boys for, yet again, running such a fantastic and inclusive celebration of varied freeflight, and thanks to Russ in particular for doing so much timing for me personally.

I didn't start too well, breaking my Eindecker on its first Kit Scale attempt, driven into the ground by the gale. Spent an hour or so repairing it on the field, but then reluctantly chickened out of that event altogether, not wanting to risk more damage to it.
After that, things improved and I got second place in Open Rubber Scale with my Auster Agricola. At Flying Aces the open scale is flown to Masefield rules, so duration and your model's bonuses are what counts. Yesterday there was a 35 sec max and the Agricola, which copes with the wind surprisingly well, maxed out in all three rounds. Definitely a first time for me! Its last flight landed in a low tree at the far side of the field and was returned to me by two excited lads and their dad who'd happened to be passing. They were quite interested in the fact that it was rubber powered and free flight.
Also had some success with my Petrel in the hi-start glider contest, and squeezed in a few flights with my Elf in Rubber Ratio to round off the day.
Opening the boot of my car before to put my stuff in at the end, I was surprised to find it already full of someone else's models! Then Dave Banks said, "Er... that's not your car, it's mine." Oops. At least I didn't try and drive it away though, and to be fair he has got a similarly dented old grey Skoda of the exact same mark as mine!

I'm afraid I didn't have time to take any photos but there are already some snaps on the excellent Peterborough MFC site here: http://www.peterboroughmfc.org/Gallery2018/2018-13-FAces/2018-13-FAces.htm
plus the provisional results as well:  http://www.peterboroughmfc.org/results/2018FlyingAcesRes.htm


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 10, 2018, 09:47:23 AM
I'm really looking forward to the 24rd!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 10, 2018, 09:52:18 AM
..... I will not be pursuing that career in proofreading!  :-[


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Squirrelnet on September 10, 2018, 02:15:05 PM
Quote
23nd Peterborough Flying Aces yesterday. I briefly considered not going as the wind forecast was 17mph gusting towards 30.

My thoughts too.. only I chickened out completely  :(

Great results in windy conditions, congratulations Pete, you obviously have them well trimmed


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Yak 52 on September 10, 2018, 03:43:24 PM
Had a lovely time at the 23nd Peterborough Flying Aces yesterday.

 :D

I think the certificates may well become collectors items like the Inverted Jenny  ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 10, 2018, 03:54:55 PM
I think the certificates may well become collectors items like the Inverted Jenny  ;D
Yup! I'll put mine on eBay in a couple of years' time and then retire on the proceeds. Thanks Russ!

(Had to google 'inverted Jenny' btw)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on September 10, 2018, 06:46:03 PM
Oi .... enough!  :)

The pitfalls of cut and paste ... I only edited that line once and cut and pasted it twice more!
As i have said before with the CNC machining i have done ... it’s amazing how quickly you can produce stuff ... but if you don't check it properly, you can turn out a huge pile of cr*p just as quickly  :-\


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 10, 2018, 07:03:10 PM
Oi .... enough!  :)
Sorry Russ- but it has made the certificates a lot more special. If you hadn't owned up though, no one would ever have noticed!  :D

(In fact, even when you told me there was a mistake I only spotted it at the 3nd or 4rd reading.)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Yak 52 on September 10, 2018, 07:19:43 PM
Oi .... enough!  :)

Sorrreee. Just teasin' :)
(And thanks again for letting me borrow your phone Russ, you're a star)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on September 11, 2018, 01:50:57 AM
Something a little larger. Hoellein Hobbies "Inside" F5J 2866mm WS F5J model. I was flying this yesterday on a beautiful day full of thermals at our local Southern Highlands RC Club.
On my second flight an Eagle flew wing tip to wing tip for a thermal turn at a great height and then I slowly edged away. He  would have destroyed this lightly built model.
I was attempting a 10min flight and at around 6min I pushed the nose down with full flaps(butterfly) and full down elevator and it took around 2 mins to get down to around 200'.

Hoellein Hobbies "Inside"  https://www.hoelleinshop.com/Planes-Helicopters-Quadcopters/Planes/Electric-gliders/Hoellein/INSIDE-F5J-low-priced-starter-model-for-F5J-2866mm.htm?shop=hoellein_e&SessionId=&a=article&ProdNr=GRU2016&t=49301&c=12327&p=12327

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: DHnut on September 11, 2018, 05:15:58 AM
I really enjoyed the Flying Aces meeting and it has changed my perception about flying in windy conditions. It is an exercise in patience waiting for the lulls and then launching. It is also accepting that turbulence may upset the model. The Hacker Piper Cub coped very well but was thrown about a lot. The win in CO2 and Electric was a nice surprise. The normal right turn was not as consistent and in one flight a left spiral developed. The
Aerographics Comper Swift manged one qualifying flight for a third in kit scale but on both flights had very firm arrivals that caused minor damage. The need for recovering will give me a chance to tidy the model up. Both the Gasparin motors performed very well.
A great day out with a very good group of people of the Peterborough Club
Ricky


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on September 11, 2018, 11:46:57 AM
Ricky (DHnut)
which motor did you use in your Hacker Cub?

Pete


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: DHnut on September 11, 2018, 05:50:01 PM
Peter,
         I used a GM120 and that is a very good fit for a weigh of about 70 grams. Normal fights are around a minute plus.
Ricky


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on September 12, 2018, 09:21:08 AM
      Hi John -  your quote in reply #921    "On my second flight an Eagle flew wing tip to wing tip for a thermal turn at a great height and then I slowly edged away. He  would have destroyed this lightly built model."   That must have been quite a sight.  :o   One really has to watch out for those birds of prey !!   ::)

LASTWOODSMAN
Richard


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on September 14, 2018, 05:39:20 AM
Hallo Richard

Wow! I'm very impressioned to see your Photo and at the Moment you catched it. :o
Your adventure won't meet now my Scale Rubber Ducted Fan Mirage III S, spanning 8 Inches flow last Saturday


This Funny Thing is no fake  ;D         I will try to let it fly outdoor with Roman on our Oktober meeting

Dalat


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Yak 52 on September 14, 2018, 06:22:05 AM
Something a little larger. Hoellein Hobbies "Inside" F5J 2866mm WS F5J model.

Looking cool John  8) I have the Picares Longears kit here but still enjoying the Slite F3-RES on a 60m bungee launch at the moment.

Last time out with the Slite was after flying the E20 competition the free Flight Gala at Buckminster. It was breezy with infill between big lift, just on the edge of struggling to get back upwind without ballast. First flight was a nice cruisy 8:36. Second flight was better and after a few minutes I remembered to start the timer  :-[ I gradually gained height until pretty specked out, and then a big one came through. Lots of gulls came in below me and then I was joined by a full size glider at about the same altitude. By this time I was at about 1500-1800 feet and a long way downwind and since it was getting a little crowded I dived down for a flight of 17:24 - well the timed bit was anyway  ::)


Ricky, it was nice to catch up with you and Don at the FA. I think you left some documentation behind - we chased after you but you had already left. Did anyone manage to get it to you in the end?

Jon


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on September 14, 2018, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: Dalat
...Rubber Ducted Fan...
I didn't know that was possible.  I'm impressed.  Please tell us more.

Lurk.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 14, 2018, 03:51:01 PM
Very impressive indeed, Dalat, and a very cool idea! There's someting in one of the Hannan books about Jiro Sugimoto and Kaz Suzuki's Mig 15 experiments I think, and you can download a plan for the engine in the plans gallery here. A bit on youtube too, such as...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=PSWVOkaLaPs


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: strat-o on September 14, 2018, 04:18:33 PM
Quote
I didn't know that was possible.  I'm impressed.  Please tell us more.

More info in this thread:
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=15022.0 (http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=15022.0)

The claim is 15,000 r.p.m. on the rubber powered impeller.



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: DHnut on September 14, 2018, 06:13:07 PM
Jon,
      Brian managed to get the docs tome before I left UK. Arrive home this morning in not too bad a shape. I managed to get 10 + hours of sleep.We were late so with 3 other large aircraft arriving in Auckland together that put a little pressue on Ag and Fish but Stan picked me up so it was all fairly painless.
I really enjoyed the Flying Aces meeting even if the weather could have been kinder and it was good to get E20 pointers.
Ricky


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on September 14, 2018, 08:30:24 PM
The Slite looks a really nice model. Checking the specs and looking at the video had me quite impressed. your description of your flight brought back memories - particularly the bit about being joined by a full size glider. I was a helper(helfer :)) on the Australian F3B team in 1987.We practised before the contest in Babenhausen - flying with the local club. At that time the club consisted of model and full size(gliders and power gliders mainly) flyers and the shared the field. Models used the left of the field - full size the right.

I was relieving on f our fellows flying his model, caught a thermal and was on the way up and then a cheeky full size pilot came and sat on top of me in my thermal :) The hide of him - I dived out of there, while he kept going up >:(

It's hard to beat the thrill of a good thermal flight. I'm glad you're enjoying it Jon. I do like the challenge of free flight but it doesn't quite match the adrenaline pump of finding working and having a long thermal flight for me.

My last thermal flight with the Inside was 10 mins off a 25 sec engine run(practise F5J flight0 but overrun the spot!

My mate Phil had a couple of 10 min flights and a longer one with his Art hobby Avatar
http://www.arthobby.com/index.php?page=item&category=30&sub_category=50&item=537.

Perfect thermal weather - you could have stayed up all day!

Ricky you are keen!

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on September 15, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
 ;D reskinned the GAR TONY with some tweaking of the tips its now ready for the grandkids in my back yard
JIM ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on September 16, 2018, 02:50:20 PM
Quote
I didn't know that was possible.  I'm impressed.  Please tell us more.

More info in this thread:
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=15022.0 (http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=15022.0)

The claim is 15,000 r.p.m. on the rubber powered impeller.




Hallo To Rubber Powered Ducted Fan scale friends

We have just maiden flights Videos on Youtube of the Mirage III ( with decend first flight):

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5exSO94cUoM

...And MiG-17  (underpowered flight):

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_gPSz3Ayi8

Regards

Dalat


Unfortunatly, average These tiny models really  250 rps  or 15'000 rpm... They stay in the air with the cost 250 turns per second. Nearly like a clockwork, to get a 12 secs flight (without glide Phase) i have to wind 3000 turns in his rubber Loop....
With 5000 turns it will deliver 20 secs Flytime + Glide time, depending on reached altitude . I hope to get a bettet DF 25 mm
unit in the future with less consumation...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on September 16, 2018, 06:04:12 PM
Sorry the vids links had not work.
now repeated again

Mirage III  :
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5exSO94cUoM
MiG 17      :
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_gPSz3Ayi8

Dalat


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Don McLellan on September 17, 2018, 12:24:08 AM
Hi Dalat,

Fantastic flights!  The Mirage flew like a bird!!

Cheers,

Don M


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on September 17, 2018, 01:54:05 AM
Great flight Dalat.
I am optimistic that you will sort out the trimming for the mig too.
Roman


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 17, 2018, 03:24:22 AM
Great stuff! Thanks, Dalat. They even sound good!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Dalat on September 17, 2018, 04:12:11 AM
Thank you all

for your encouraging Feedbacks. I had Sometimes doubts over the Performance Limits these tiny RDF.
Roman, the MiG 17 will get a Remake with 20% bigger and receive an rear DF Location, he would behave like
others brave RDF too.
Now, I have to deeper practice the rubber winding procedure to get this rest potential 1/3 or more out of These FAI TAN rubber.

Regards

Dalat


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on September 23, 2018, 05:21:46 PM
 ;D  grandkids actually launched planes by themselves the boys are quick learneers sop i am pleased

i gave away my bicycle, it just isnt fun anymore so son chris will find a deserving person for it

he said that when i give up my fishing poles and xacto blades, then i am dead!

we flew the neo dime hellcat from flying aces , blue ridge special and my comet cloud buster i have some repairs to do

any questions?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on September 23, 2018, 08:30:21 PM
Yeah, I have a question - are your Grandkids good climbers?   ;D   

LASTWOODSMAN
Richard


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on September 24, 2018, 03:09:21 AM
The ol' magnetic trees snare another model :D

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: bsadonkill on September 24, 2018, 12:15:10 PM
I lost two models that way so far this year. My Ranger 28 a Goldberg  model, and  a Comet Juipiter i built last year. The Ranger model flew over a minute with 900 turns, better then expected. The wind took that one out over trees.   


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on September 24, 2018, 08:25:12 PM
It's most annoying when you can still see the model but it is too high to reach.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on September 29, 2018, 07:25:44 PM
A most enjoyable and relaxing day’s flying at the Manchester Velodrome today. Lovely to see those of you who were also there. Isn’t it great to have these meetings back. Photo shows two of Reg Boor’s super rubber models; Mew Gull and Bernard 191, watching the cyclists.

Came home home briefly to change my models (and pick up Carole and Thomas) ready for Oxford tomorrow. In a Premier Inn now with just a bit of a drive left in the morning.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on September 30, 2018, 09:23:29 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

good news that plane was resued by a 14 ft pole manipulated from by back deck. the day before it rained.

jim ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on September 30, 2018, 11:07:17 AM
Went out today and my two misbehavers have shaped up. The Mig went for three flights: 00:47, 1:18, and the last was scary over 2:00 and circling towards Hung's no-mans land. The Staggerwing finally consistent 1:00, 1:15, 1:09. I bet I could milk out more time but am happy everyone got home safe and not strapped to a gurney!  Of course nobody was around to take a video for me. Here's a pic just for the "H" of it!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: flydean1 on September 30, 2018, 02:06:23 PM
Whose Staggerwing (Always Capitalize) plan?  Yours?  Thee Olde Man?  Looks very neat and light.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on September 30, 2018, 09:03:49 PM
Very nice flights Crabby. That's impressive for the MIG.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on October 01, 2018, 05:00:31 AM
Great stuff, Crabby!

A few more from the Manchester Velodrome on Saturday...

Reg Boor again. His Mew Gull is quite an old model, built to test out a plan by Erm Can'trememberwhathesaid (that famous aeromodeller) and first entered in the Woodvale contest under C02 power. Now converted to rubber.

Three vids...
Two flights of my VMC SE5a, which gives the cyclists a bit of a race. (Shame about my fat finger encroaching on the frame.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUfkD_-ISW4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwXWPMyl98Q
The air horn you hear at the end is the signal to denote changeover from freeflight to RC slot. When you hear a bell though you can safely ignore it, as that's just the last lap signal for the cyclists!

And Tim Horne's Walt Mooney designed Nieuport/Beechcaft staggerwinged sesquiplane Bostonian biplane thing . Flies very smoothly, as did his equally quirky Bill Brown 'Snout'. I'll try and film that one next time. (27th Oct is the next meeting here.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve49zAHsJTo


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on October 01, 2018, 01:48:26 PM
Hi Flydean! no the Staggerwing is a Rich Weber dimer. Both the Mig and the S'wing are old models that had thrust problems. One day they are in the clouds, I mean really up there making me look like a guru, next time out its a totally different thing. so I sanded a series of key slots in the receiving end of the nose and glued a key on the nose block. I can make thrust changes that stay put. If I can ever con someone to come flying with me I will get some video.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dosco on October 01, 2018, 06:58:25 PM
There's so much construction going on the skyline has really changed, you can see tons of new high rises under construction both uptown and downtown, and all those tall buildings in Hudson yards are new.

Agreed, I think rubber RC is the way to go for small fields, if I can walk to a field to fly rubber power in midtown Manhattan, than anyone can fly anywhere! I told a friend recently that I actually miss losing a plane once in a while, helps to thin down the herd, never losing a plane is getting to be something of a problem storage-wise at this point!



I just saw your youtube video where you flew the Bob White Wake ... with the onboard camera.

AWESOME!

-Dave


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 01, 2018, 07:38:18 PM
Very nice flights Peter and what a nice venue.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on October 01, 2018, 10:40:10 PM
There's so much construction going on the skyline has really changed, you can see tons of new high rises under construction both uptown and downtown, and all those tall buildings in Hudson yards are new.

Agreed, I think rubber RC is the way to go for small fields, if I can walk to a field to fly rubber power in midtown Manhattan, than anyone can fly anywhere! I told a friend recently that I actually miss losing a plane once in a while, helps to thin down the herd, never losing a plane is getting to be something of a problem storage-wise at this point!



I just saw your youtube video where you flew the Bob White Wake ... with the onboard camera.

AWESOME!

-Dave

Thanks Dave, glad you enjoyed it. That flight was only 207 feet, so my flying plan is to get some video at 300+ feet. I just got a blast shield for my Andriukov winder, so I should be able to crank in close to the max winds without fear (I got hit once in the knuckles by a broken Coupe motor and it was incredibly painful).

Also been meaning to ask Crabby plans for his great looking Mig in post #947? Over 2 minutes, that's impressive!




Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on October 02, 2018, 09:21:08 AM
Hi Flyguy that MiG is reduced from a Don Srull 24" plan. Its actually in no-man's land size-wise as far as competition goes. It is my third Mig-15 I like the lines very much. The 2+minute flight is compliments of a huge thermal that could have lifted cobblestones off the sidewalk. The other flights were more commonplace., and I just got this one to behave in a more consistent manner. Aside from that it is a really fun plane to fly, and I kept it light. I can send you plans if you like it that much! I have to con my wife to shoot a flight vid for me one day.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on October 02, 2018, 01:10:08 PM
Thanks Crabby, I actually found a picture and mention of Don Srull's plans on a thread here, plus outerzone has a bunch of migs. Your other flights were also very good. I've never built a rubber jet before, so it goes on the to-do list, thanks for the pics!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on October 02, 2018, 10:00:05 PM
     The wind today actually increased to 14 mph, not decrease like the weather said, so after walking the dog just before sunset (7:10 PM),   I grabbed the 30" Rearwin Speedster for some NIGHT FLYING when the winds became less.  Could not wait anymore - besides I wanted to see how it flew with 200 hand winds (the practice run was 12 sec) - all I brought with me was a little film container of modelling clay weight.  It turns out I did not even need it.    Prop hook to rear peg is  13 3/4", and I have a 13 1/2", four strand of  3/16", motor in there.
     Well I left at 8:00 pm (sunset was 7:10 PM), and got back at 8:45 Pm - grass was very long and thick from all of the rain the last two weeks,  the dew was not quite falling, and the tissue was sagging.  Wind finally down to 8mph from North gusting to 12 mph.  
     You won't believe this ...
Flight #1   200  hand winds one perfect sort of tight circle left and it lands directly right behind me, four paces away.   11 second flight.  About 6 to 10 feet off the ground the whole way.
Flight #2    200  hand winds, one perfect sort of tight circle left and it lands in exactly the same spot as the first flight!  both soft landings in the tall grass.   another  11 sec  flight!    same height as above.
Flight #3     220  hand winds and the same circle but a 14 second flight, and I was getting ready to jump out of the way as it lands right exactly at my feet!!   same height as above.
     Then I said to myself - time to pack it up - tomorrow's forecast is too good to not  try and sneak into the Cricket Wicket in the morning,  as it is calling for 6 mph from the East gusting to 9 mph at  8:00 AM.  (Sunrise tomorrow is  7:30  AM)

LASTWOODSMAN
Richard
________


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: flydean1 on October 02, 2018, 10:44:32 PM
WOODSMAN,

See how much life is easier with a forward peg location?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 02, 2018, 10:47:52 PM
The old girl is hanging in Richard. It's still flying well - a credit to the accuracy of your repairs.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on October 06, 2018, 10:28:04 AM
 ;D  flight tested the wildcat.  it flies nice it climbs out, stalls and quickly levels off for a gradual decent.  very nice i'd say. will definitely entertain the grandkids.

jim ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on October 09, 2018, 06:26:50 AM
Could have been 'went sailing' but when we got to the model boat pond it was covered in an algal bloom - so we went flying instead:
https://youtu.be/PhBQNoFgn58


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dputt7 on October 09, 2018, 07:06:42 AM
Good to see Hugo so keen, a promise of things to come hopefully,


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on October 09, 2018, 09:18:51 AM
THB
That video brought a huge smile to my face!  I love the excitement... "It take off!  It take off!... "Will it come down?"... "Will it come down?"... "It come down!!"   ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on October 09, 2018, 09:34:27 AM
Hi TBH !   Thanks for that all time great video.  ::)   That little kid's excitement says it all!   ;D   I had to watch it several times ...

LASTWOODSMAN
Richard


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: THB on October 09, 2018, 05:47:36 PM
That's my littlest boy Hugo - and yes he's pretty keen on anything that he can fly or sail. He's keen to start building something of his own next! Thanks for the comments. Will keep you posted!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 09, 2018, 06:56:11 PM
Terrific :) It's a long time since I've heard a child's reaction like that Tim. Great flight but more importantly great fun. Good job Tim and all the best with Hugo's efforts in the future.

Also good to see the Sundancer in good shape and flying well. It wouldn't be all that much younger than Hugo?

John.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ironmike on October 09, 2018, 07:27:34 PM
Hey Tim 2 names.
I just loved that young'un, what excitement.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 09, 2018, 07:27:57 PM
Something a little different. I also fly RC Glider and electric power as well as sport's FF. However my Rc flying mate Phil has flown a fair bit of power in the past and yesterday we maidened his Joe Bridi classic 70's Dirty Birdy pattern model.

It flew very well - neutral in roll and pitch and without showing any nasty habits. It is a 60" Ws model weighing around 6.8lbs and has a Super Tigre 61 running on muffler pressure.

Phil didn't fit retracts and this helped to keep the weight down.

One unusual minor problem was the need to have the servos and battery just in front of the tail to get the correct CG. This can be a problem with modern motors which are generally heavier than those used in the 70's as well as far more powerful.

Hope you enjoy the variety.

happy flying.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: village boy on October 10, 2018, 04:17:42 PM
Nice

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Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on October 11, 2018, 07:25:38 AM
Something else a little different...

Went slope soaring with my Middle Phase in 15-18mph SE winds in glorious warm weather yesterday off Beacon Hill above the A34 in Hampshire (the other side of the road from Watership Down).  Atop the hill (a steep climb!) is an iron-age fort with a barbed wire perimeter to keep the sheep off it, but there's a decently wide-enough flat-ish shoulder for landing just to the south.  I usually fly closer to home off the NW bowl at Uffington White Horse Hill, so it was lovely to try somewhere different.  Beacon Hill is just 40mins drive and also looks good for SW winds, which being the prevailing direction extends my opportunities.

No pics or footage of actual flying as I was on my tod - except for the brace of red kits which sometimes showed an unhealthy interest in the Pink Beastie.  Experimented with settings for putting her firmly down in limited landing areas (max up aileron both wings with micro up on the elevator) but still not quite the stopping-power of big down flaperons on a DLG or crow on a full-house modern ship.  Inverted isn't very effective in these moderate winds due to the semi-symmetrical section - back at home later I added a mix to reflex the wings (2-3mm down on both ailerons) for inverted flight... which I'll play with next time!

To the north Highclere Castle is visible, which was used as the location for Downton Abbey in the TV series - I'm not confessing to having or having not watched it!  ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pit on October 11, 2018, 01:28:48 PM
Something a little different. I also fly RC Glider and electric power as well as sport's FF. However my Rc flying mate Phil has flown a fair bit of power in the past and yesterday we maidened his Joe Bridi classic 70's Dirty Birdy pattern model.

It flew very well - neutral in roll and pitch and without showing any nasty habits. It is a 60" Ws model weighing around 6.8lbs and has a Super Tigre 61 running on muffler pressure.

Phil didn't fit retracts and this helped to keep the weight down.

One unusual minor problem was the need to have the servos and battery just in front of the tail to get the correct CG. This can be a problem with modern motors which are generally heavier than those used in the 70's as well as far more powerful.

Hope you enjoy the variety.

happy flying.

John

Great lookin' Birdy!  I built the 60 and the 40 size (from kits) and had the servos (World Engines driven by the 7 ch single-stick) and a ST .56 that got changed to a Webra 61.  The 40 sized one flew with the same radio and a K&B 4011 .40.  Both were FANTASTIC and I still consider the Birdies to be the neatest looking of the era (I even have the plan for the 40 on the workbench for a new E version).

My 60 was tail heavy with the servos in the "normal" position.  An alu spinner and the small prop-shaft weight (Sonic Tronics?) got it sorted.  The 40 size was OK with just an alu spinner.

Pete


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 11, 2018, 06:48:28 PM
The poor photos don't do Phil's Birdy justice Pete. It was built from a laser cut short kit form Avetek in NZ. A copy of the original RCM plan was supplied which actually had a couple of minor mistakes. Phil fully sheeted the wing and apart from the rear mounted servos and individual wing servos it is basically stock.
It's painted in 2 pack Urethane left over from his homebuilt aircraft(Sonex).
I was impressed at how well it flew on it's first flight - smooth, no bad low speed habits and to my eyes almost completely neutral.
Daffy Duck the test pilot pronounced it as Ok - don't touch anything :)
I was tempted and a 40 size electric version would be very nice!

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Flyguy on October 27, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
Finally had a calm day yesterday and I got in about 3 hours of flying (pretty sore today). Had one nice flight with the KK Ace, I increased the wing incidence slightly but that was a mistake so I put it away to change at home. Pulled out the BW Wake with the wing mounted camera and put up 3 nice maxes, but I forgot to turn the camera off after the last flight so I lost those videos (looks like it wrote over stuff upon filling memory) although I have a nice video of the inside of my box for about an hour! Photo shows the wake about to be caught by me. Put up several nice flights with my P30. Also got two flights in with the Comet Pepper, but it suddenly lost altitude for some reason (sinking air?) and I didn't make it over the trees, hit the tallest one, arrow in photo shows the Pepper about to hit the tree. Wing eventually floated down but the rest of it was out of reach of my 50' pole. I checked again today (damn windy) but it's still right at the top of the tree and in there pretty good! I'm hoping at least some parts I'd like to get back eventually come down. Haven't lost a plane in over 6 1/2 years, but the Pepper is clearly no more. On the bright side it is good to thin the herd and motivates me to now build the Sparky!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on October 27, 2018, 05:51:38 PM
Another very good session at the Manchester Velodrome today. A much better turnout than last month, which must be good for our long term prospects there.

A few pics of the freeflight side of things...
1. My fleet for the day. All five models flew and came home intact so I had a very nice time. For a while, I just couldn't understand why the Fairchild wouldn't take off, till I realised that the small upthrust shim I'd thoughtlessly removed on arrival was put there last time for a reason! The crude non-scale little 'Bleriot' was made one afternoon about ten years ago and till today had since just gathered dust on a shelf. It went quite well!
2. Reg Boor's Tempest
3. and Reg winding his Swordfish
4. Ralph Sparrow's Auster from a 1940s Skyleada kit plan. Beautifully Mylar covered and finished and beginning to fly quite well too.

There was lots of other good stuff which I didn't photograph, such as Brian Horsfield's small electric Eindecker which he got going very nicely, and a very big yellow Fike (he likes Fikes) which he tried, but eventually decided was perhaps more suited for outdoors and flew a smaller one instead.

Dave Crompton made good progress trimming his new Magister, getting it circling left nicely from a hand launch. I got a bit of video, although this wasn't its best flight. At the end of the vid is also his last go of the day, when it explicacbly decided to go right instead! Looking promising though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUQkSlDZ8Rk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUQkSlDZ8Rk)

I shared my table with Colin Taylor, who was having an ornithopter day. He's a master of this dark art, as this video of two of his models in action shows. I think they really may be alive. The large pterodactyl one looks positively primeval as it carries on flapping once it's landed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FoYP4bYhX8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FoYP4bYhX8)

Next meeting here is February, for the Northwest Gala.




Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on October 28, 2018, 02:58:00 AM
Hi Pete. Tell us more about the Swordfish - is it a Veron and did it fly?
We also Went Flying; Midland Gala at Barkston. Icy wind, rain most of the day, snow and sleet. Still managed 5 flights in F1G but it was a bit of an ordeal.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on October 28, 2018, 03:16:32 AM
These fellows who fly indoor out have the weather have an easy time, not like you true outdoor warriors Bill :)

Thanks for the Vids Peter - The flying area at the velodrome looks impressive.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on October 28, 2018, 05:58:14 AM
Quote from: Pete Fardell
I shared my table with Colin Taylor, who was having an ornithopter day...
Well, that was a mistake. I showed MrsLurker the video; "I want one!" was the immediate response.  Ermm, anyone got a plan for an easy to build ornithopter? :)  Very impressive.



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on October 28, 2018, 07:24:09 AM
Tell us more about the Swordfish - is it a Veron and did it fly?
We also Went Flying; Midland Gala at Barkston. Icy wind, rain most of the day, snow and sleet. Still managed 5 flights in F1G but it was a bit of an ordeal.
Well done! As I drove over the Pennines, through the sleety gale, my car made the warning beep it makes when the outside temp. approaches feezing. "Wish I was at Barkston" I thought... "I bet they're having a lovely time- such a shame the Selby comp. was cancelled!"

I think Reg's Swordfish is the Veron one, yes, and what I described as his Tempest looks like it's the Guillows Typhoon. Both were old models which he'd flown successfully before, but he said he was having no joy with them yesterday. The best I saw the Swordfish manage were some rather shaky, low powered glides.


Well, that was a mistake. I showed MrsLurker the video; "I want one!" was the immediate response.  Ermm, anyone got a plan for an easy to build ornithopter? :)  Very impressive.
If you ask me, ornith(opter)ology is a surefire road to madness, but if you're really set on self destruction (and under wife orders) there's a thread on here already, which might help: http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=21381.0


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on October 28, 2018, 07:38:13 AM
Next meeting here is February, for the Northwest Gala.
Correction: Feb (23rd) is another Fun Fly. NW Gala is March 16th.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Indoorflyer on October 28, 2018, 10:47:34 AM
Well, that was a mistake. I showed MrsLurker the video; "I want one!" was the immediate response.  Ermm, anyone got a plan for an easy to build ornithopter? :)  Very impressive.
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https://www.ornithopter.org/plans.shtml

And these will fly, unlike some of the stuff on other sites.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on October 28, 2018, 12:10:41 PM
For a nice Ornithopter plan, there is a link to a pdf file here in  "BUTTERFLIES" in 'dosco's'  Reply #14 here   http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=23606.0    Click on his link and it will load up a nice  five page plan and instructions.   Also there is a great instructional 12 minute assembly video here in "BUTTERFLIES" Reply #13 .

LASTWOODSMAN
Richard


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on November 03, 2018, 07:09:03 AM
Quote from: Indoorflyer
https://www.ornithopter.org/plans.shtml
Quote from: LASTWOODSMAN
...Ornithopter plan, there is a link to a pdf file here..
Thanks both for taking the time to go looking.  I'd found ornithopter.org and will be having a bash at a Freebird sometime soon(ish).  Aside from getting the blessed thing to fly the biggest hurdle is trying to persuade MrsL that ornithopters are indoor creatures as she's adamant that it will be flown outside at the Lurker Industries Aerodrome.  :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on November 06, 2018, 12:18:39 PM
Caught a quick clip of Lee Russell flying his Bill Gowen-designed A-6 at our October contest. He and Hope had a nice showdown in A-6.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTZ-mfwEmlQ&lc=z22rgfjpcme4fxnfeacdp43alfiyljqpvwobgxhpfsxw03c010c


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on November 19, 2018, 09:18:29 AM
 ;D  indoor flying started last nite  yeahhhhhhh!!!!!
the following planes flew beatifully

1 neo dimne hellcat (FAC plan) 16 inches
2 easybilt p40 20 inches
3 easybilt spit 17 inches
no surprizes because they are great outdoors
i built a guillows camel and my own design delta jet. both need more power and weight in the nose.

jim  ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on November 22, 2018, 11:14:01 AM
Went trimming prior to the Birmingham Coupe do. A bit of a farce. It was so cold my fingers weren't doing what I told them. I found the way to make a vintage coupe perform aerobatics is to put the wing (flat centre section) on one bay to the left and lose the sidethrust.
More seriously, my new coupe with narrower fuselage climbed like a fat swan. Discovered knots were binding inside, despite it being wider than the Couper S I was copying.  I obviously need to wind better but I fear my problem is using the half tube which is several inches longer than the motor. Thus when it is wound and the prop attached, the motor has to shorten to fit the fuse and that's when the knots appear. I can hear them writhing inside. I'm not sure about the half tube yet. I can see the advantages but I need three hands, and everything I am holding always seem to be in the wrong ones.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: tctele on November 26, 2018, 10:06:23 AM
Hi Bill, At least you ventured out the weather around here has been too windy and I can see me doing a trim flight at the comp, if the weather holds which the forecast doesn't look promising, straight out of the box from the last time which was 6 years ago. Lets hope the trims the same! Re the half tubes I have a number of them and they are cut down to the length of my motors, well just slightly over so I can insert and retrieve easily. I cut them down at the prop end and just file a notch for the wire pin that goes through my hub. I have two lengths, one for 28 strands of 1/16" and one for 24 strands, ie 14 and 12 strands of 1/8" former for my windy model and the latter for everything else. Sure I've a pic somewhere. Tony

Moot point as I didn't see your post in the "Rubber" section!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on November 26, 2018, 10:14:41 AM
 ;D  went flying indoors last nite.   my two cats (16 inch hellcat and 19 inch wildcat) flew on a rail, ;D ;D ;D ;D my to stick models did will and my p40 acted up.  i also flew my comet spitfire which needs trim on the tail to perfect.

jim ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on November 28, 2018, 08:34:03 AM
This is 6 month old footage, but better late than never I guess. My 42" span Unlimited on its 46 minute flight at Lakehurst this past June: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ25MI88cUM


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: flydean1 on November 28, 2018, 05:37:55 PM
Is it covered with microfilm?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PB_guy on November 30, 2018, 05:44:08 PM
Took the Bonanza out for a flight today. Just 400 winds on 1/8" rubber. Built from a Whitman/Joe Ott plan. 16" W/S AUW for flight was 16.0 grams Still pics from the video are a little blurry. Nice and warm with the sun today.
ian


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on December 01, 2018, 05:04:30 PM
Your Bonanza would have flown well at that weight PB. Very nice.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on December 03, 2018, 02:44:54 PM
Is it covered with microfilm?

It's plastic covered - OS Film. I've got a larger one covered with Y2K that is still in the trimming stages.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on December 09, 2018, 07:49:04 PM
 ;D  flew lots tionite
1) preparation for next week's glider contest.
    canard meh!, carbon fibre glider  yes it's nice  ditto with an old one i built 10 yheasrs ago.  it's all in the way you chuck them
2) speedee bilt p40  actually works. i tried it on 1/8 tan and 1/8 black rubber.  the tan seems to work better.  if you do these types of models build out of light sheet and foam and they should fly well enough , max weight 20 gms.
3) the wild cat which flew well last week, this week slightly out of trim.  the comet 20 inch piper cub waddled through the air.
4) the two stick models, buzzard jr and modified blue ridge special flew just fine the buzzard on 1/8 black, the blue on 1/8 tan.

jim ;D ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: deanz406 on December 18, 2018, 08:32:52 PM
We had a nice day today, a little chilly, but clear and no winds. This is one of my favorites, a BUSA Phaeton 90, W/ OS 120 4 stroke. Dean


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on December 19, 2018, 05:01:22 PM
Nice model and what a lovely field.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on February 03, 2019, 06:43:16 PM
I have been helping a fellow in India in his attempts to build a small FF model. I designed the model for him bearing in mind the limited materials he has at his disposal. One of his aims is to try and interest and inspire young school kids and thus construction and materials must also suit their budget as well.

Thus this design for a Super Capacitior powered model with a small core less (7mm dia) motor driving a 65mm dia prop.It is predominantly foam plate (3mm), reinforced at the front with sanded loly pop stick and with a small aluminium motor mount. The tail on his version is mounted on a reed tail boom.

The time for the first flights was yesterday morning.

Fortunately for me - it was successful as shown on this video clip https://youtu.be/2nIcKaoqUmM

This area was the best Ashutosh could find - parks are a little unheard of over there for many and he had this to say about flying there;  

As you can see, the field had lots of stones, undulations, and was strewn with litter (typical filthy irresponsible attitude of us Indians)- there was a local fair until yesterday. And people come to play cricket as well learn driving, pigs feed themselves on the garbage, and the poor ragpicker women scrounge for scrap and took away our cardboard box while we were flying!...we got it back from them but it was somewhat crushed and broken...Chaotic but we could get our space to fly. I got scared when 2 scooters went past the airplane as it landed and I thought one of them was going to crush it- it survived fortunately. There was slight wind...I lost the calmest time before sunrise testing 716 motor. The wire on the voltmeter broke just behind the solder and my friend had to place it with his hand to see the readings.


It looks like you need to be congratulated for perseverance just to do what we take for granted :)

He reported that he had a umber of 30sec flights and the longest was 55secs shortly after sunrise with a slight bit of drift. That field would not have allowed much drift!

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Maxout on February 04, 2019, 09:02:11 AM
This unbelievably cute model was built by Doug Demasie, a fellow member of Thermal Thumbers. He had quite a time trimming it out, but we finally figured out that it needed a larger vertical tail, and then that said tail needed to be oriented just right. It flies pretty nicely now and I suspect it'll be banging around in the rafters at our next flying session. Enjoy the progression:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzzU75CVg3c


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dohrmc on February 06, 2019, 03:30:42 AM
My excellent Majestyk P30. It always flies well. First two pics are at the sod farm during a summer contest, and last is at Muncie during the Ted Dock contest. Great airplane!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on February 06, 2019, 03:49:10 AM
It looks like you had fun, D.
John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: dohrmc on February 06, 2019, 09:09:14 AM
I did!  I just love flying these crazy model airplanes.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: glideher on February 13, 2019, 11:34:22 AM
Took the Bonanza out for a flight today. Just 400 winds on 1/8" rubber. Built from a Whitman/Joe Ott plan. 16" W/S AUW for flight was 16.0 grams Still pics from the video are a little blurry. Nice and warm with the sun today.
ian
that is beautiful work, is this japanese paper? and do you have any videos we can take a look at?
well done :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: PB_guy on February 13, 2019, 12:48:39 PM
Sorry Glideher, my camera does videos, but it is old and not working well enough for video. It needed some more down thrust and a touch more nose weight. Since the bad weather hit, I haven't done any flying, other than testing my Jimmy Allen Triplane. The tissue is domestic Hallmark stuff. I stained the wood to be the same colour as the overlying tissue. I am quite happy with that technique and would recommend it.
ian


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on February 23, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
A few snaps I took at the Manc Velodrome today....

1. Tim Horne's venerable old Hergt Monoplane. Still flying well!
2&3. Tim Milner and models. He was trying out his new Aerographics Moth Minor
4. Dave Crompton with his Handley Page HP.22

Sorry- there was lots of other good stuff, but I was too busy trimming (and crashing) the PT-3 to get any more shots, but here also is some video filmed by Tim H...

First is Dave Crompton flying his Piper Super Cruiser (I think?), his fun semiscale HP Victor and his little HP.22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1M1FB4aBmw

Second is a very nice Avro Vulcan and other RC stuff in action. (They fly alternate 1/2 hour FF and RC* slots at these Velodrome meets.) The Vulcan is a proper built up model, not a foamie or ARTF. Can't remember whose it is I'm afraid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8Tuv3h5-Fw


*aka 'the FF repair slot'


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Squirrelnet on February 24, 2019, 12:34:43 PM
Some nice pics and videos of the Velodrome Pete/Tim

The Vulcan being escorted by a couple of Red Arrows is great

My own flying this weekend has been of the outdoor variety taking advantage of the light winds and spring like temperatures.

I spent a lovely couple of hours soaring off the light lift and thermals coming over Ivinghoe Beacon with my Blaster 3 DLG accompanied by a couple of Red Kites who were hunting for mice (?) on the side of the hill behind me.

I managed to sort out a rotate function on my MPX Royal TX thanks to Jon and the Multiplex FB users group but ironically I'm finding it's not really needed. Just using reflexed flaps the model launches straight and true and at the right sort of angle to a guessed height of 30m or so with out any real effort. I guess the rotate function will be more useful to get max height from a flat site.

Flying from a bit further down the hill was a bit more challenging than just chucking it into the slope lift


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Tim Horne on February 24, 2019, 04:06:19 PM
Thanks for posting the videos Pete.
The Vulcan was being flown by the guy in the blue T-shirt, and the Red Arrows by the young lads (twins) standing either side of him that you can see quite clearly in the vid. I should know their names as I have seen them many times at the Velodrome, but I’m sorry to say that I don’t. Hopefully someone will know.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on February 24, 2019, 07:30:55 PM
What a nice day that would have been SN.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on February 25, 2019, 06:19:02 AM
Glorious day at Barkston. Not a wall, table leg or bin in sight! I had decided that, come Christmas, any model which hasn't been flown will be burned. As it happened, it was my very old Avro which gave up the ghost after several rebuilds. I saved the cowl and skid for another one. Also gave Eric Coates' old Magna an airing. Nearly lost it. It has the worst, most decayed and broken-lugged Mills I've ever seen but I launched it as the tank emptied into the pipe and it ran for two more minutes. Astonishing.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on February 25, 2019, 10:32:34 AM
Looks like a fab day! Let’s hope there are many more like it this year. If it wasn’t for indoor repair shenanigans I’d have started my outdoor Comte AC4 by now.
(Your ‘fly by Christmas or you burn’ seems quite harsh. Must be a few nervous models on your shelves at the moment.)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on February 25, 2019, 12:12:47 PM
Must be a few nervous models on your shelves at the moment.)
Shelves? Yes, shelves, hanging on walls, on spare beds, in wardrobes, in drawers, in garage, on floor.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Squirrelnet on February 25, 2019, 01:13:49 PM
Very dramatic end for the Avro Bill

I've only given a Viking funeral to one model and it was a very non flying cardboard automaton sculpture built from a kit by Paul Spooner. I burnt it on biscuit tin lid in the garden. A flaming head in the middle of the lawn looked great but it burnt a rectangular patch in the grass...which didn't go down too well... so I've not dared try such a thing again  :-\


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on February 25, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
I do wish that I could get to the stage of having a "surplus"!

A superb day not too far away at BMFA Buckminster with the Peterborough lot ... couple of photos later I hope.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on February 26, 2019, 02:41:09 AM
Disgusting Bill :) :)

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on March 16, 2019, 01:14:54 PM
Newbury Indoor today.  The M-10 is a flyer.  Thanks to Abl's erudite advice it's turning in nice stable flights of 30s +/- from a hand launch on 900 (50%) turns of an 18" two strand 3/32" motor.  However Lurker Industries are looking for another test pilot as the current incumbent, Mr. Meadowlark Lemon, an American gentleman, insisted on landing in the basketball net. Twice.  Managed to get one reasonably in focus image from the video of it on finals.

Got a couple of short, not much more than trimming flights, in of the Camel into the bargain.  Pleased to see that aloft after quite a long layoff.

Abl brought his KK Stinson along.  It's an absolute gem to see and promises to fly well and would have done today if he'd spent more time on that than on helping me with the M-10,  I'll let Abl tell you more.  His Andreasson was flying well too but I can't get a crisp image from the film I shot.  Apologies for that.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on March 16, 2019, 03:59:05 PM
HURRAH for Lurker Industries!

30secs on 50% turns?  You've got it made old chap!

Sorry I couldn't be there - boiler issues...


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Pete Fardell on March 16, 2019, 06:43:46 PM
Well done, Lurks! Look forward to the Station Wagon report, Abl.



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on March 17, 2019, 04:49:42 AM
Meant to add this to my previous post, but forgot.  Who am I? Where am  I?  What is this place?  :)

I wasn't the only bod - I didn't get his name, Abl may know - to get a model hung up on the baskets. I took the snap because I thought it was lovely piece of parking and it looked as though the pilot had got away with it. Unfortunately it had taken a bad hit on the port LE and was rendered hors de combat for the day.  Looked repairable though.

Jon, Pete
Thanks, but I only build 'em.  It requires Abl's expert eye to tell me how to best trim 'em.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on March 17, 2019, 01:23:48 PM
Managed to extract some just about usable frames from the film of Abl's Andreasson using VLC rather than Media Player.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: DHnut on March 20, 2019, 12:15:59 AM
We had a great day at Hoteo on Sunday. Calm until 1130hrs after which the sea breeze filled in. My Comet Avenger is getting trimmed after adjustments to side and down thrust and the VMC Jodel D18 just needs the washout in the starboard wing removed. Don Spray had the Puss Mothin while Paul Evans had good flying with a Luton Minor. Finally Geoarge Fay had a challenging day with the PE2.   
Ricky


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Yak 52 on March 20, 2019, 05:18:18 AM
What a beautiful spot to fly!  8)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on March 20, 2019, 07:45:21 AM
Thanks for the great "in flight pics"  DHnut - great scenery and mountains in New Zealand  :o  , and cows and bucket excavator.  And your grass looks really long.  Looks like a wide open excellent place to fly.  Do they fly gliders out there too?

LASTWOODSMAN
Richrd


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Starduster on March 20, 2019, 11:21:36 AM
We had a great day at Hoteo on Sunday.
Ricky

Agree 100% Beautiful place to fly... Do I see Frodo and Sam in the background?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: DHnut on March 20, 2019, 03:24:41 PM
The dairy farm is about 40 min from my place through mainly country side and life style blocks. It is on the edge of the Kaipara harbour. It pays to arrive early because the land sea air movement sets in about late morning. At the moment the grass is quite long an bouncy so is good for trimming. Richard, full size gliding takes place the other side of Auckland, but we do fly our gliders there.
Our other site also the South side of Auckland is a lot smaller and only good for small rubber models and R/C aircraft usually vintage ( Tomboy) and radio gliders. Retrival can be difficult. BY most peoples standards we are lucky.
Ricky 


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Squirrelnet on March 20, 2019, 04:14:16 PM
Great site Ricky, very envious with all the gales and rain we've had recently. I barely dare take a model outside, let alone fly it.

What's the blue biplane in the first shot ..a Moth ? Almost looks like it has a canopy ..Thruxton Jackaroo ???


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: DHnut on March 20, 2019, 04:41:42 PM
Chris,
         We have just had a spell of settled weather after a very windy summer ( el Nino ). We are also in a marine weather system that has a stready stream of systems coming up from the roaring 40's. The middle of the South Island is a 45 South. For some reason we seem to have a 7 day cycle that always has the poor weather starting on Saturday followed by a good Monday. There is a law that covers that.
The moth is a Mercury Tiger Moth built by one of our members who is no longer with us. 
Ricky


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on March 20, 2019, 05:04:24 PM
Luvly Ricky

Good to see the Jodel aloft!  :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ffkiwi on March 20, 2019, 06:03:29 PM
We had a great day at Hoteo on Sunday. Calm until 1130hrs after which the sea breeze filled in. My Comet Avenger is getting trimmed after adjustments to side and down thrust and the VMC Jodel D18 just needs the washout in the starboard wing removed. Don Spray had the Puss Mothin while Paul Evans had good flying with a Luton Minor. Finally George Fay had a challenging day with the PE2.   
Ricky

Looks like George is getting ambitious....if he gets that going well he may rival John Henson's famous P-39 for reputation...how big is Paul's Luton....I am sitting on the Flyline one.....which will see the light of day one of these decades..

 ChrisM
'ffkiwi'


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: DHnut on March 20, 2019, 09:20:45 PM
Chris,
        This Pe2 is just one of George's many twins and does fly well. The luton minor is the Fearnley plan which is I think a little bigger than the Flyline one.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ffkiwi on March 21, 2019, 01:39:05 AM
Ricky-I have that one as well-and a few formers cut out.....they've been cut out out about 15 years!.....

 ChrisM
 'ffkiwi'


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: DHnut on March 21, 2019, 05:45:21 AM
Chris,
        That makes me think of the Mainland cheese ad about good things taking time!
Ricky


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: MKelly on March 21, 2019, 10:41:37 PM
Nice weather in San Antonio today - had a little fun with some of my older models.  No really memorable flights, just a good day flying with a friend.

Mike


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: rgroener on March 22, 2019, 01:21:39 AM
Mike, very cool pictures. It seems that you had some very nice flights in beautiful weather. Thanks for sharing!


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on March 22, 2019, 04:37:57 AM
That is so real Mike!

PS What's up Roman - anything on the building-board or in the air?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on March 23, 2019, 12:58:16 AM
Very enjoyable flying shots Mike. it's good to see the old Citabria and Typhoon back up in the air.

John



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: LASTWOODSMAN on March 23, 2019, 09:20:48 AM
Those are really great flying shots outside.   Excellent Free Flight rubber models and pics.   8)

LASTWOODSMAN
Richard


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: MKelly on March 23, 2019, 11:29:10 AM
Thanks all - it was a well-spent morning.

Mike


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Crabby on March 23, 2019, 02:17:11 PM
Hi Mike are those stills taken with your GoPro?


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FreeFlightModeller on March 23, 2019, 02:37:08 PM
Nice shots Mike ...  looks like some enjoyable flying  :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: MKelly on March 23, 2019, 02:42:57 PM
Hi Mike are those stills taken with your GoPro?

Yes - these shots are frame captures from the GoPro, taken from 1080p60 video.

Mike


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: FLYACE1946 on March 23, 2019, 07:02:32 PM
Nice weather in San Antonio today - had a little fun with some of my older models.  No really memorable flights, just a good day flying with a friend.

Mike
We flew a while and I am still very happy with the results. Really great flying with you, as always.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: DHnut on March 24, 2019, 05:26:07 PM
A very satisfying morning in perfect conditions on Sunday until 1030. Photos of the ZK-AUD Lysander are attached. Cloud Tramps were being trimmed and the Jodel is geting there as is the rewinged Tiger Moth.
Ricky


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ZK-AUD on March 24, 2019, 07:21:09 PM
Eeeeeew yuk! - look at the saggy tissue in the damp early morning air on my hardly-doped-at-all wings evident in the second picture.  The other photo's a cracker though - thanks Ricky.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: ffkiwi on March 24, 2019, 08:24:06 PM
Likewise 600 odd km south....where a small group of us had a fantastic autumn day-26C just up the road in Masterton-with a variety of models, practice, testing and preparation for the NI FF Champs 6-8 April. My sole casualty for an entire day's flying was one broken strand in the 'Last Resort' motor..

 ChrisM
 'ffkiwi'


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on March 28, 2019, 02:14:08 PM
A glorious day at Lodge Farm with Ivan Taylor. Ivan's TSR2 is something to behold, climbing high on half power from the two KP fans and then hooking a thermal


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Squirrelnet on March 28, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
Looks like a great day. Look forward to seeing Ivan's TSR2 in action


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on March 28, 2019, 04:02:05 PM
My newly electrified Peanut Bristol Scout had its first outing today.  Beautiful day, if a tad gusty by the time I got to the field, plus one or two variables still to fine-tweak, but proof-of-concept happily satisfied.  Next opportunity will be first ROGs at our local indoor venue in a fortnight, then the Nats!  :o

Blackburn launching on my behalf... https://photos.app.goo.gl/DeRjk6hjLarofcgq7 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/DeRjk6hjLarofcgq7)

PS Mike Stuart also there.  A full-size yellow Tiger Moth from the next door field was doing circuits, and we both remarked how realistically slow it looked... just like his Fox Moth!  ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Monz on March 28, 2019, 04:12:15 PM
A glorious day at Lodge Farm with Ivan Taylor. Ivan's TSR2 is something to behold, climbing high on half power from the two KP fans and then hooking a thermal

Those jets look amazing! Is that an F16 Ivan has on his lap? Any details on the weights and size KP fans? Those are bigger jets than I've been told they would handle...



My newly electrified Peanut Bristol Scout had its first outing today.  Beautiful day, if a tad gusty by the time I got to the field, plus one or two variables still to fine-tweak, but proof-of-concept happily satisfied.  Next opportunity will be first ROGs at our local indoor venue in a fortnight, then the Nats!  :o

Blackburn launching on my behalf... https://photos.app.goo.gl/DeRjk6hjLarofcgq7 (https://photos.app.goo.gl/DeRjk6hjLarofcgq7)

PS Mike Stuart also there.  A full-size yellow Tiger Moth from the next door field was doing circuits, and we both remarked how realistically slow it looked... just like his Fox Moth!  ;D


That looks like it's going to be a go'er. Very nice!



It was a glorious day for flying, sadly I was up at 3am to drive 2.5 hours for a 6am start, then 3 hour drive to the next job, and just got home (8pm). Might get in early enough tomorrow to try the Fokker. Maybe *on knees with hands clasped*


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: billdennis747 on March 28, 2019, 04:25:50 PM
Hi Monz. I think they are Derek's biggest fans. None of them are anywhere near maxed out on power. Yes it's an F16. The TSR2 is 5 feet long and 2 feet wide, although I suspect the fuselage contributes some lift


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on March 28, 2019, 04:36:31 PM
Quote from: Jack Plane
My newly electrified Peanut Bristol Scout had its first outing today.
That looks the business, although you could have chosen a prettier pilot. :D



Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: flydean1 on March 28, 2019, 11:26:07 PM
Monz, I'm on my knees with hands clasped.  Please use a winding tube.


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on March 29, 2019, 04:34:24 AM

It was a glorious day for flying, sadly I was up at 3am to drive 2.5 hours for a 6am start, then 3 hour drive to the next job, and just got home (8pm). Might get in early enough tomorrow to try the Fokker. Maybe *on knees with hands clasped*


Start with votive offerings, then pray... then just go for it anyway!!  ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: p40qmilj on April 15, 2019, 02:27:11 PM
 ;D last nite in the gym was the last nite of winter indoor flying. flew some dimers and two sticks all and all a good nite for me

today trout season opens  the weather heavy rain and thunder. maybe tomorrow.  i took a look last week and spotted some FUR TROUT ??? ;D ;D ;D  in  POOL.  fur trout are BROOKIES who haven't shed their winter coats yet

jim ;D ;D


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on April 15, 2019, 03:37:37 PM
Have finally got around to sorting out an alternative to flickr for video hosting. And here's the only decent footage I have of the Lacey M-10 at Newbury last month.  Motor is 18", 2 strands 3/32". This test flight is 250 turns.  https://vimeo.com/330585819


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: Jack Plane on April 15, 2019, 04:13:28 PM
Lovely flight Lurk!

80% of calculated max of your rubber length is 1500 turns, so no reason why you shouldn't achieve over a minute ROG with your Lacey!

i.e. 6x250 turns = 1500 turns => 6x11 secs = 66 secs, based on the videoed flight!

Look forward to seeing you at the next indoor meeting.

 :)


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: OZPAF on April 15, 2019, 07:25:43 PM
Agree with Jack - it looks good Lurk. Hopefully no power or torque hassles that you can't overcome as you up the power.

John


Title: Re: Went flying.
Post by: TheLurker on April 16, 2019, 12:40:58 AM
Quote from: Jack Plane
Lovely flight...
Ta.  More than a little help received from that Abl chap cos I'm a bumpkin when it comes to trimming.

Quote from: OZPAF
... Hopefully no power or torque hassles that you can't overcome as you up the power.
Ta.  It seems quite well mannered.  Was reliably turning in 30s flights (basketball nets permitting) on 900 turns so am, uncharacteristically, optimistic that it'll be OK up to 80%.