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 on: Today at 08:33:50 AM 
Started by Antonin Alfery - Last post by Indoorflyer
Hi Charlie--
This particular V-173 plan always intrigued me


 on: Today at 07:33:10 AM 
Started by Antonin Alfery - Last post by charlieman
Awesome!! A "full stack" of pancakes. Thanks for sharing.  Is there a plan?  Gotta say, the woodwork looks exceptional.

 on: Today at 06:12:56 AM 
Started by GeoffinIN - Last post by Pete Fardell
Geoff, it's also on this site: http://www.model-plans.co.uk/astral.htm (along with some others.)

 on: Today at 06:06:15 AM 
Started by Monz - Last post by FreeFlightModeller
That's looking great  Smiley ... I'm glad it's initial flights were in the great outdoors.

 on: Today at 05:46:48 AM 
Started by GeoffinIN - Last post by DavidJP
Nothing useful but I well remember the kits and pretty sure they did a Wellington.  Complex designs send no detergent.  I have an idea too that people like Boys and Towner had their designs kitted by Astral.  I will have a think and a rummage and see if anything useful turns up.

PS The Towner plan is on Outerzone - how does that compare?

 on: Today at 05:40:27 AM 
Started by TheLurker - Last post by DavidJP
Good - await pics, but meanwhile are you sure the real thing had no blemishes or wrinkles etc.  Bet you a glass of real ale it did.  But also silver of course exaggerates any blemish or defect.  Have you considered just replacing the panel where it is wrinkled?  I have found it can work well.  You see my covering is often wrinkled too so have lots of practice.

 on: Today at 05:31:05 AM 
Started by Hugh - Last post by DavidJP
I think making dope now might be more costly than buying it.  Yes I recall acetone and thin Perspex etc. But then it was a case of having to as certainly in my case it was not easily obtained due to the war etc.   

But do you really need it?  For example I know someone who makes pretty good scale models using tissue over mylar and acrylic paints which seem unaffected by diesel fuel I believe.  And the finish is at least as good as dope on tissue.  I have used “artists” acrylics so called that were quite cheap, on doped tissue which have lasted well but not on mylar.  But I am sure it works on that very well.  If you decide to use mylar then you will need an iron if you do not possess one but that is a one off expense.  Mylar is probably competitive price wise with dope.

 on: Today at 05:13:11 AM 
Started by Monz - Last post by Squirrelnet
Here's a link to the video


 on: Today at 05:08:00 AM 
Started by VictorY - Last post by VictorY
Evidently the plane was updated in 2016 and renamed Pirate2 (squared), possibly a reference to the more squared off wing tips. My first P-30, and what will be my first plane with a DT. Smiley

 on: Today at 05:06:38 AM 
Started by dputt7 - Last post by dputt7
    I decided to make up a "bucket Prop" to replace the unsuccessful balsa one. I've used these before on a couple of large scale rubber models.     First I cut the hub from 3mm Alum. flat bar and twisted it to the correct pitch, the center of the hub was turned from Alum. bar and the freewheel ramp was cut and filed into place, the 2 pieces were held together with 3mm socket head bolts.  The blades were cut from a fertiliser bucket and I added a blade stiffener to the back of the blade. To retain some flex I just ran a bead of glue down the center of the stiffener. The prop is 16" dia. x 16"pitch and I used a jig to set the pitch.
    A disadvantage with the plastic blades is that the paint tends to flake off when they flex, there is an additive that can be used but is does not ship to OZ, another thought is to use the paint for Lexan R/C car bodies but I'm not sure if it's available in brown.
       Does anyone have a suggestion?

 on: Today at 04:01:42 AM 
Started by Monz - Last post by John Webster
Congratulations Monz. The D VII looks great with air under it's wings and the successful test flight gives promise of better flights to come.

 on: Today at 03:47:11 AM 
Started by Hugh - Last post by dputt7
Welcome Hugh,

Back in the dim dark ages I heard of modellers who would dissolve photo film in a solvent (Acetone?) for their dope supplies. 

Wow! that brought back a memory, My Dad used to use the Acetate from the windows of old soft top cars (1930's) dissolved with Acetone to make Dope and Glue and my memory is him complaining in the late 50's that it was coming hard to find  Grin
Anyway G'Day and welcome to the forum Hugh

 on: Today at 03:15:55 AM 
Started by Hugh - Last post by greggles47
Welcome Hugh,

Back in the dim dark ages I heard of modellers who would dissolve photo film in a solvent (Acetone?) for their dope supplies.  These days it might be difficult to dissolve pixels for your dope.  Grin

I find it easier & cheaper to buy bulk dope from auto paint suppliers, buying 4 litres at a time. Perhaps if $s are tight you can split the buy with your flying mates?

Where in Aussie are you, I fly CL in western Sydney.

 on: Today at 03:14:11 AM 
Started by THB - Last post by lincoln
Speaking of Russian hats, f you're ever in the Boston area, you might enjoy the Somerville Symphony Orkestar.
Unless you've got severe jet lag, I suppose. Also, they don't sound anything like the Beach Boys.

 on: Today at 03:02:24 AM 
Started by Hugh - Last post by lincoln
If you're going with electric power, there are apparently some kinds of nitrocellulose lacquer that will work. Not fuel proof. I've got an old can of lacquer from the hardware or paint store that I've used on tissue before. Of course, years later and on the other side of the world, what's in the stores may not be the same.

 on: Today at 02:59:44 AM 
Started by Squirrelnet - Last post by billdennis747
Wondering on How.. does one clean off all the Diesel exhaust Goo ?
 Asking as I only use diesels on my CL combat efforts and even there clean up is not a trivial task .
 Despite having neither nooks/crannies nor detail.

A good cowling helps, keeping it all localised. Then get as much off with tissue as possible, then wipe down with ether. And with slow-revving motors like a Mills, mineral oil is ok and easier to get off. But eventually you just give up.

 on: Today at 02:16:30 AM 
Started by THB - Last post by THB
Let's hope it flys as good as that one!
Meanwhile - I made some progress on fuselage. I'm still not exactly sure how the wing and cabin annexes (can't think of a better way to describe them) fit together. But I decided to just start building and stop worrying. And work it out as I go.

Soundtrack: After listening to 'Back in the USSR' which is a Beatles parody of Beach Boys of course - I decided to dial up some real Beach Boys (God only knows) only to find that in the film clip, Mike Love is wearing a Russian Ushanka hat...  was that meant to be a sort of reply? Or just coincidence?

 on: Today at 02:14:54 AM 
Started by steveneill - Last post by steveneill
LOL Wink

 on: Today at 01:08:09 AM 
Started by Antonin Alfery - Last post by fred
Clearly a bit simplistic of build , a couple sheets of deprom sandwiched together ..not even painted yet
But... this man's pancake looks to be a one day build project and it's appearance from a few meters seems as irrelevant .
 As it Flies Well.
Here's the Maiden flight video.

 on: Today at 12:24:39 AM 
Started by steveneill - Last post by kkphantom
.....and you only had to mention who's kit it was once!

 on: April 20, 2019, 11:44:40 PM 
Started by Hugh - Last post by Hugh
Hi Guys, being on a shoe string budget i was wondering if any one has or knows a reciepe for dope, Just getting back into control line again and finding that this hobby has not dodged inflation like anything else.I thought there must be a way to make your own dope? My first stop would have to be here if its anywhere. Would be great to here from anybody else that may have gone down the same road too.Cheers.

 on: April 20, 2019, 10:35:07 PM 
Started by Monz - Last post by Rhys
The culmination of diligence, an artful eye and delicate touch. Masterfully executed by a true artisan
 Salut dear Monz!

 on: April 20, 2019, 10:34:20 PM 

9 Flights
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     This is my record setting Flight  #9 of  43 seconds - the previous best from all of last summer was  34 seconds.   Motor was  19 1/2" long of 4 strands of  3/16" rubber, prop hook to rear peg is 13 inches.

Pic #1     1996    Flight #9  43 seconds,  way up high ...
Pic #2     1997    Flight #9   On final with the wind, going past the tree trunk perimeter line ...
Pic #3     1998     Flight #9     This is how it landed on this record flight - one flip after it landed, and having already spit off the prop, and no damage.
Pic #4     2000     The sun is breaking out along with the tree buds.
Pic #5    2001     Blue sky and white clouds and Spring trees of Jackson Park,  Windsor, Ontario, Canada.  A couple of small strips of Scotch tape, holds the prop block on for travel.
Pic #6        WEATHER FORECAST for tomorrow  Sunday April 21 2019

Flight #9     750 winds  43 seconds.   This flight took so long, I got two pics.  This came around the circle very high, after getting a good upward launch downwind, which must have caught part of the bottom of the wind coming over the tree tops, because it climbed even higher.  The down wind leg was nice and high turning into the crosswind, while moving further along and out, and then starting to circle into the wind, suddenly climbing and dropping,  wavering and slowing up and getting bounced around while coming back into the wind, way up high, at or above tree top level,  but still possessing the penetration as it kept spinning into the wind.   I don't think smaller models can do this.  That is why I need larger models for this small field and the ever present strong winds that we have today.   Came in 360 degrees around in behind me high, and went slow downwind very far and high, and eventually ran out the rubber.
     The landing finished out past the tree line,   Huh Undecided  after it straightened out when the rubber ran out - good thing there were no tree trunks in the way   Shocked   .....    So, we decided to quit as it seemed to be getting more windy.

     We got home at 5:20 PM,  and the wind had really picked up.  It was now 50 deg F (46),  winds blowing from the North (the wind had shifted from South to North while we were out there flying ...), now blowing from the North at 9 mph, gusting to 14 mph,  and 82% Humidity.
     This is the best time of year right now to fly,  before they cut the grass for the first time.   And the weather forecast looks great for Sunday April 21 2019 and Monday April 22 2019, and for the rest of the week.   We will be there ...  time for the bigger  21"  and  22"  motors, and we'll see if I can keep it out of the trees ...

Happy flying

The End


 on: April 20, 2019, 10:20:50 PM 

9 Flights
cont. from prev reply

Pic #1     1989     Flight #4   BEST PIC   Real close pic!   1 1/8 perfect circle real close.
Pic #2     1990     Flight #5     Almost down to a perfect landing.
Pic #3     1991     Flight #6    The flight was really floaty into the wind on the last leg.   Pointing down and coming right at me, it lands at my feet - 28 sec.
Pic #4     1992     Flight #7  BEST PIC    Grey prop wash against the gray skies.   31 sec   1 1/4 perfect circle.
Pic #5     1993     Another view of my setup,  along with that life saver stick!!
Pic #6     1995     Flight #8     31 sec   I had launched this at a higher angle and it went way up for another perfect flight.  Nice pic of the Rearwin coming in to land at my feet.   Smiley

Flight #4     525 winds 24  sec  Pic 1989     BEST PIC    1 1/8 perfect circle, real close pic coming in for a landing.
Flight #5     525 winds  23 sec  Pic 1990     
Flight #6     615 winds  28 sec   Pic 1991
Flight #7     675 winds  31 sec   Pic 1992    BEST PIC
Flight #8     750 winds  31 sec   Pic 1995     31 sec perfect flight -   lands at my feet ...   

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 on: April 20, 2019, 09:36:17 PM 

9 Flights.

     At home we put on the big   19 1/2",  four strand (two loops),  3/16" rubber motor.   Prop hook to rear peg is 13".
     We ate quickly and packed up, and picked up the pace on the walk back out to the Cricket field of Jackson Park,  with good reason -  the weather was now  becoming almost perfect ...  We left at 3:52 PM, and   the temp was 57 deg F (57),   winds were blowing ONLY  4 mph from the South,  gusting to 8 mph,  and only 59 % Humidity.   And no one was on the wide open Cricket Field.   And the grass was green and long and growing  ...

Pic #1     1999     Pic in front of the replica warplanes on pedestals.
Pic #2     1994     Trapper, pack, plane, stooge setup.
Pic #3     1985     BEST PIC  Flight #1    flying into the tree.
Pic #4     1986     Lightly stuck in the tree on Flight #1,  precariously perched on a small branch.
pic #5     1987      Flight #2    Long half circle straight out, not enough left turn.    I added a touch little more left turn on the rudder tab and elevator tabs.
Pic #6     1988    Flight #3     flying just above the end of the Pitch.

Flight #1     600 winds    16  seconds    STUCK IN A TREE  1985  1986  On the first flight,  I wound in 30 handle cranks on my 15:1 Winder,   then I foolishly made the mistake of cranking in another 10,  for 600 stretch winds total.    This flight went beautifully, out in a big circle, but comes around high, back to me and in behind me, and I am running after it to try and grab it before it hit the trees ...   Shocked Shocked    I could only take a pic of it flying into the tree.   Sad   It was well out of reach when it landed, floating into the wind, and perched like a bird on a very thin branch, WELL out of reach.   I had to hike to the other end of the field and found my old stick I used before ... and got it down - a couple of really small tissue tears, solved with a little Scotch clear tape.  What a way to start out ...   Huh Undecided
Flight #2     450 winds  18  sec   Long half circle straight out, not enough left turn.    I added a touch little more left turn on the rudder tab and elevator tabs.
Flight #3     450 winds  15  sec  Launched from the NE.

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