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« on: January 15, 2009, 08:05:10 AM »

HI All C/L Fliers,

I have been playing with control line Plane's and Engines for the last 56 Years, the best Engine's I have used for this type flying is .049/.061/ BIG MIG, .19 VECO,.29/.35 FOX,.40/.46 LA'S.

I know there will be a great number of people who will give us there list, I have looked at this topic for some time and know there is a very big group of C/L people out there so tell us your ENGINES.

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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2009, 10:12:31 AM »

Anything diesel. Oliver Tiger, E.D. Racer, Rivers Silver Streak, PAW .09/.15/.19 even DC Spitfire/Sabre etc.

I don't like glow engines in C/L models...but maybe that's just me Wink.

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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2009, 12:46:48 PM »

I just got a OS .25 FS that is a ball bering engine and I want to convert it to control line use, I want to run it with a high rpm and a fine pitch prop, anyone got any experience with a setup like that?

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2009, 12:49:46 PM »

Hi slipstick, I had a webra .09 to use at one time but fuel here in canada for diesel was not available and being so young, we just abandoned that type of motor in favor of the glow stuff. I know that your experience is different there and perhaps we have alot to learn with diesels.

Anyway, just some perspective.

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2009, 04:42:12 PM »

I did an old timer Scared Kitten for Tucson once and used an old F2D motor with a rev-up 8-3. It turned around 22K and did just fine. I thought I would show the stunt guys what a real high RPM low pitch setup was. There was very little speed difference whether I was going straight up or straight down. I should also say that there was no muffler just a 3" piece of silicon tubing to get the exhaust out of the engine compartment. It was fun! Grin
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 09:11:39 PM »

the p/a line is a perty good choice good stunt motors. the os .46 is also very nice. for sport flying i use cox's ,norvel's ,os , cs , super tiger, k/b , enya's , and fox's for competition i use zit .049, g/z .049 , profi 15, rossi .21 , nelson .29 , mcgee .65 , bailey jet and raven jet. i mostly sport fly but i do go to a few speed contest every year.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2009, 09:40:14 PM »

Hooieee! .000 - .061 = P.A.W. .5cc, Wasp, Babe Bee, Golden Bee, TD, Holland Hornet, Webra Piccolo, P.A.W., NorVel, Brodak

.09 - .12 = OS Pet, Webra Record, MVVS 1.5cc, 2cc diesels, P.A.W. 1.5cc

.15 = Fox .15, Cox Sportsman, Cox Olympic, Cox Mark I, ST G20 and G15, ST G20 diesels, ETA diesel, NorVel, MVVS diesels

.20 - .35 = Frog 3.5cc diesel, P.A.W. .29 and .35, Fox .35, K&B .35, ST .35 (a bunch), Saito .30, Brodak .25, OS LA.25, OS FP

.40+ = Brodak, Saito .40, Fox .59, ST G65, K&B .40, OS LA.40, OS .40FP, P.A.W. .59 and .60

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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2009, 05:04:04 AM »

Current collection:
Diesel - Rivers 2.5, AM 1.5, 2.5, 3.5. ED baby, 1cc, mk2, Racer, Taipan 1.5, 2.5 DC .5cc, 1cc, 1.5cc, Webra 1.5cc, John .5cc, Cox Diesel conversion, silver swallow, MVVS 1.5, couple of Russian diesels and russian speed motors.
Glow - cox engine up to .15 (never got the .09 to run at all - dud!) OS engines .10, .15, .25, .21 speed - too scared to run it, .40P...likewise, AM 1.5cc, Enya .09, .06, G-mark .10, Fox .35 (loves nitro), McCoy .19, Frog 500, Taipan 1.5 and 2.5 plus a few others
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2009, 01:21:05 PM »

Glow - cox engine up to .15 (never got the .09 to run at all - dud!)

What's the problem with it? I've always considered the TD.09 to be the best unit in the range, have flown many in F/F over the years (still do) and found them easy to handle
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2009, 08:49:45 PM »

OS, Magnum .15's love 'em

Taipan Gold head & Lightning flash- nice enough.

cox Medallion .09 Very nice. If you're having trouble with your send it to me - I'll give it a good home. Wink
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2009, 04:32:59 AM »

The .09 was sold to me as a Tee Dee .09, in fact we had 4/5 of them. They were built up from parts in a model shop and the one we tried never ran worth a damn. I think I still have 2/3 unused and some spare heads...I will have a look as I'm cleaning up my fathers effects this weekend and the engine collection was really his. There are multiples of engines, such as the ED Mk2 which ran well. My father had a desire to build a range of KK Phantoms, so there are many variations on this theme unfinished in the workshop. He also did not finish a Minx speed model with the ED Mk2 in it. We were both better at enjoying the building and less so the flying. Building had us both together, sharing time and the occasional joke whilst listening to the umpteenth rerun of the goon show...good memories. I will be divesting myself of a large part of the collection in time as such things should be used I think.
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2009, 07:05:26 AM »

Got several Cox TD 09's including the one my late father used in open power, they love lots of nitro and if you ain't using it then they are dogs.

As for engines to use in C/L well got an OS 15 FP, OS15 LA, OS25FSR, several Saito 4 strokes Norvel 15 etc, etc and a Rothwell 2.5 diesel.

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2009, 03:43:10 AM »

used 15% nitro - was not good. OS 10FSR was much better.
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2009, 07:26:03 AM »

Double that amount and they start to come alive.

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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2009, 04:32:32 AM »

fair enough. I might let them go then - I'd prefer to use cheaper fuel when I use fuel at all!
I made a discovery when cleaning out my fathers workshop. Vintage fuel and a large collection of hearns hobbies plans...are these things collectable?
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2009, 07:18:55 AM »

Vintage fuel? how old? Provided it has been stored properly and well sealed then it may still be useable; if diesel fuel was it stored in all metal or glass containers? if not then dig a hole in the garden, pour the lot out and burn it.

As for plans, no they are not collectable but don't throw them out send them to me as I am always being asked if I have a so and so design and I have accumulated quite a few.

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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2009, 05:42:26 AM »

I would be happy to swap them for some Esaki.
The fuel is at least 30 years old, diesel and glo in glass bottles. Diesel might be OK, no rust on the caps.
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2009, 06:37:40 PM »

Starting with the OK Cub .074 I bought in 1948, I have 2 or 3 of those .074s, 3 Cox .010s. 3 Tee Dee .020s, 4 or 5 Pee Wee .020s, a bunch of assorted Cox .049s, including Babe Bee, 190s, Golden Bee, Black Widows, Medallions, and Tee Dees, 3 or 4 Cub .049sa couple Cub .099s, a McCoy .098, several Cox TD and Medallion .09s, OS Pet ..099, OS .10, a couple Cox .051s, bunch of Fox baffle and Schnuerle .15s, a couple Fox .19s and .25s, one Fox .29S, a few McCoy .19s, .29s, and .35, only one .19 and 2 .35s being red heads, a K&B Green Head .15, couple Veco .35S, couple K&B Stallion .35s, 7 Fox .35S, a Forster .35, couple Fox needle bearing .36s (.35s?), OS .29 and FP .35, and 2 Fox .40s, one of them being a newer BB Schnuerle and the other an older long shaft CL .40. Also have a Cub .049 diesel and an Aurora 2.5 cc diesel. Can I count the old Fox .59 short shaft even though it has a Johnson Automix RC carb added? Wasn't my doing, I got it in a trade for a Johnson .36C. I only flew it in a Sterling Guardian with a J. Roberts 3-line system.
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2009, 08:19:47 PM »

And I thought I had alot of motors at a count of 22 of them... wow, right on, great collection.

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2009, 10:55:32 AM »

And that's not counting my Jetex, CO2, compressed air and RC engines. Or electric motors. The fun of 61 years in MA.
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2009, 04:35:41 AM »

shall we have a 'guess the engine' game? Post the obscure ones?
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2009, 09:25:25 AM »

And in my previous list, I find I forgot to mention the Anderson .49 I picked up from an estate. One old cookie tin of engines, had the Anderson, the Forster, and about 5 other smaller engines.
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2009, 12:40:19 PM »

Years ago, I had a Fox 35 that was set up for me by George Aldrich..It went away, without my knowledge, in one of my kids "garage sales." :'(

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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2009, 04:24:22 PM »

Just noticed that I forgot to mention that that tin of engines also had the Forster .35 glow, a Cub .099, a Fox .10 RC, a McCoy .098, a McCoy RH .19, and a Cub Diesel among others and some parts, and cost me a whole $20.00!
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2009, 03:36:22 PM »

I just got a OS .25 FS that is a ball bearing engine and I want to convert it to control line use, I want to run it with a high rpm and a fine pitch prop, anyone got any experience with a setup like that?

I've used two OS Max SF 25s, the one that was between the original 25F BB engine, and the more recent, and heavier, FX 25. I had mine on some 500 square inch Arrowplanes (foamies), and with APC 8-4s, and a quarter inch bore intake restrictor made from a nylon bushing, were right at 79 mph with no streamer, and 75 mph with the entire thing. I used silicon rubber tubing from George's van for bladders, and had to go to 550 squares, or to plain bearing 25 FPs for the 75 mph events.

I was very happy with the engines, although I used more of the older BB model, because I preferred their ABC innards to the SF's ABN.
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