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« Reply #75 on: September 04, 2013, 09:48:39 AM »

Looking forward to those pics - what a bonus! Thanks for doing this Bingo.
Hmmm - I don't need a Skyquest to see the carpentry errors here - but thanks anyway  Cheesy

When I put the wheels in I thought it might need some little washers/spacers so the wheels didn't bind against the wheelpant walls. I tried to cut some slivers off the back of a PP nose bearing and failed. Then I remembered seeing Marco using beercan stock for some cockpit detail - and so I cut out some little washers from a Guinness can.
The rest was all sanding...  

There's a lot of wood in those wheelpant blanks - they were looking like floats for a seaplane for a while Sparkle...  any news on yours?
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« Reply #76 on: September 04, 2013, 09:51:25 AM »

A week and a half to go - and it seems like a long time before I'm ready to cover. I'll get there...
Sounds like you'll be doing some test flights down at the oval this weekend Dave?
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« Reply #77 on: September 04, 2013, 10:12:28 AM »

A week and a half to go - and it seems like a long time before I'm ready to cover. I'll get there...
Sounds like you'll be doing some test flights down at the oval this weekend Dave?
I expect you to turn up with the glue still wet on the windscreen  Grin
Test flights, that would be cheating  Grin
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« Reply #78 on: September 04, 2013, 06:55:30 PM »

Dave your model is looking impressive in its bright clothes. What no cheating Grin Where is is the Cheesy fun
Come on Tim finish the night before and then a test flight.
That knight Twister is beautiful JB.
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« Reply #79 on: September 06, 2013, 09:57:42 AM »

Finally ready to start covering I think...  Dihedral and anhedral added to wings...  and the holes plugged with sticks.
The assembly took a bit of shaping-up - and still some work to do on the wing struts - but otherwise it's starting to look like an aeroplane - thought a slightly eccentric one....
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« Reply #80 on: September 06, 2013, 05:01:37 PM »

Hey THB,
    What super cool book is that?   Bingo
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« Reply #81 on: September 06, 2013, 05:10:31 PM »

 Grin Very nice work Tim!  Cool
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« Reply #82 on: September 07, 2013, 09:45:00 AM »

All that hassle with the fus and stringers has paid off Tim - it looks the part. great spinner and cowl cheeks as well.
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« Reply #83 on: September 07, 2013, 11:48:56 AM »

Hi
You've captured the great lines of Sundancer well Tim, looks really great.
    I spent some time trying to work out how to come up with a satisfactory way of applying the white lettering, I ordered some decals all the way from sunny Queensland but they turned out to be all capitals so I was stuck with either painting them on, not an option that appealed, or to print them onto decal paper. As there is no such thing as white ink I had to use white decal paper and useing a red background print them with the computer set to white. I experimented with printing on paper but could not come close to matching the color until my daughter came around and modified the R.G.B. setting on my computer and got a resonable match. When we printed it onto the gloss white decal paper the match was very close. After cutting out and applying the decals it left a white edge so a careful touchup with some paint eliminated that. I chose to use an early photo of Miss Gianna before all of the sponsors decals had been applied to simplify things, I still have a few more to apply but as some of the decals are hard to read I'll have to wait until I find some clearer photos. Nearly there!
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« Reply #84 on: September 07, 2013, 06:00:57 PM »

 Grin Really looks the part!  Cool
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« Reply #85 on: September 07, 2013, 07:26:54 PM »

Its really coming to life Dave - the 3 views didn't do it justice.
Too pretty to race Grin
Will you fellows have a straight line speed challenge?

John
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« Reply #86 on: September 07, 2013, 10:03:41 PM »

Hi all,  Having trouble with the slides.  Should get it figured out.,  Bingo
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« Reply #87 on: September 08, 2013, 12:19:53 AM »

Thanks Fellas
John I didn't have any 3-views I drew my own plan (HA!) from photos on the net but it dosen't look that far out, I would make a few changes if I was to build another but they would be minor. Bingo, take your time we will be patient.
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« Reply #88 on: September 08, 2013, 06:07:22 AM »

these planes are great !
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« Reply #89 on: September 08, 2013, 11:26:17 AM »

Hi all,

 Finally some of my pics from slides. All taken Sept. 1980 at Cleveland,Ohio USA Burke Airport on Lake Erie. Note many differences between the two. Sundancer has wheels moved back from Orange version. Cowl changed too as it is now very smoothly faired in to fuselage.  Landing gear from Cobra #22 came out of lower wing kink.  Canopy longer On Cobra than Sundancer.  Sundancer has curved wing gulls and Cobra has kinks. Wing fillets different. Lower cowls different. This was not the last color version of Sundancer as it kept evolving.  More pics later.  Bingo    (Oh yeah Pilot was Pat Hines on Sundancer and Al Kramer on Cobra #22)
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« Reply #90 on: September 08, 2013, 11:45:32 AM »

Hi,
  Here are a few more, Sorceress #89 Don Beck pilot, White Knight #5 Flown by Don Fairbanks, Amsoil Special #3 Flown by Dan Mortesen and Mongoose #91 flown by Bill Nagle. all 1979  Cleveland..  Bingo  (more of Sundancer to follow)
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« Reply #91 on: September 08, 2013, 01:56:20 PM »

One more of Cobra 1979.  Note differences from 1980.  Green spinner and top of cowl.  Color stripes on fuselage do NOT extend down on to lower wing  Short canopy.  Taken on runway facing west for start of race.  Bingo
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« Reply #92 on: September 08, 2013, 03:15:27 PM »

 Grin Great photos, thanks for sharing them!
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« Reply #93 on: September 08, 2013, 07:16:12 PM »

Hi again,
   Here is more of Sundancer all 1980.
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« Reply #94 on: September 08, 2013, 07:19:33 PM »

And the last one.  Note difference in canopies.
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« Reply #95 on: September 08, 2013, 07:57:39 PM »

Thanks for those photos Bingo. You don't apprecoate how small they are until you see the oversized Grin head in the cockpit.
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« Reply #96 on: September 09, 2013, 03:50:27 AM »

Wow Bingo, great set of photos, really captures the atmosphere of the racers. In the early '70's I was mixed up with racing Speedway Super Modifieds and took a lot of photos, then 20-30 years later there was an interest in restoring those old racers and all the photos came out. It was a similar thing where you could see the slight modifications to the cars as they were improved over several years. Thanks for sharing those great memories, Kudos
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« Reply #97 on: September 09, 2013, 06:49:49 AM »

Just for me, to put things in the context : what are the performances of these planes ? speed, powerplant ....?
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« Reply #98 on: September 09, 2013, 07:36:39 AM »

Hi Marco
I'm no expert but from what I have read these racers all use the the same 290 cu.in. Lycoming flat 4 engine and must have a minimum wing area of 75 sq.ft. Sorceress in 1975 won at a speed of 198.99mph  Sundancer  won in 1973 and 1974 at 198.1 mph. Miss Gianna qualified in 2006 at 241 mph and came second in the race at 231 mph.
They must be very impressive to watch let alone fly them in racing conditions.
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Hi all,
  As to speeds. In 1983 at Reno, Nevada,  Sundancer qualified at 220.92 mph and Sorceress at 217.19. These were in Racing Biplane Division.  Cobra was never as fast as Sundancer. White Knight of Don Fairbanks was in the Sport Biplane class and was much slower with speeds in the 170 range.  Sorceress as cool as it looked was usually around 198 to low 200s. The Amsoil Special #3 was down around 160.  1980 has Sorceress lapping everyone but Sundancer crossing the finish at 210.73 but dropped to last place, penalized for an illegal pass.  Sundancer moved to the first place slot at 206.62.  I'm not real familiar at what speeds are these days. Probably getting up much higher.  Bingo
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