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« on: February 07, 2009, 01:40:15 PM »

Are there any participants in this area even in the slightest? Or is Manhattan dead?

Inquiring minds need to know.

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2009, 10:55:43 PM »

Bruce,

 It doesn't see enough attention, but is definitely flown at the US Nats every year. I've seen pictures of ones being flown in Europe, though Sainte Formula gets more attention there. About the wildest, thing I've heard is that somebody flew a Manhattan in Dawn Ulimited one time. Don't know if it won or not, but it would have definitely been in running if handled properly in calm weather.

 Manhattans are definitely fun airplanes. That is for sure. The rules are pretty simple and what you end up with is essentially a limited pennyplane with a cabin fuselage. The lack of major limitations on materials mean that you could use enough composites that the airplane would be usable outdoors in light winds.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2010, 07:55:11 AM »

New to the forum, first post.

Manhattan Cabin flew in the 1980's at Columbia University's Lowe Memorial Library Rotunda as part of CIMAS Columbia Indoor Miniature Aircraft Society's monthly flights events, one Sunday each month. The Bill Tyler Trophy was held by the annual winner. There were always Manhattans, Penny Planes and Easy-B's drifting about beneath the 105ft dome, along with many Peanuts and Bostonians.

My Brother Bob, his boys and my daughter had some participation, and now, I have grandkids who are beginning to show some interest in Grampy's stick and paper oddities. My Brother Bill passed a few years back, out by Phoenix AZ, where he golfed, and hs gas free flight efforts produced the ever-evolving Robot design. Bob and my family are Mew Yorkers. Bob's in White Plains, and I'm in tiny Dundee, about 15 miles NW of Watkins Glen, alongside Seneca Lake.

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2010, 11:17:21 AM »

Greg:

I went to college on Long Island and attended a CIMAS event (IIRC in 1991). I watched Dave Aronstein fly his coconut Cessna Caravan ... spectacular. I hosted 2 or 3 indoor events at my college gymnasium ... I can't recall all the participants but I do remember that Don Ross, Bob Bender, and Sal Alu came to a few.

After college I moved around a bit and left NY.

I thought I'd ask ... what ever happened to Bob Bender? I know that Sal passed away in the early 90s and Don hosts the "Cross Files" column in FM magazine.

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2010, 04:45:22 PM »

When CIMAS stopped operating, i dropped out of modelling and only returned more recently. I also moved from North Jersey to Central NY, North of Watkins Glen. I knew all those guys, but lost track long ago.

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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2010, 02:07:21 PM »

When CIMAS stopped operating, i dropped out of modelling and only returned more recently. I also moved from North Jersey to Central NY, North of Watkins Glen. I knew all those guys, but lost track long ago.

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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2010, 05:56:22 PM »

Hey guys

What is a manhattan? - what dimensions? - stick sizes? - wingspan? fuse w-l-d? I remember a friend of mine building these years ago but don't remember anything else about them?Huh?

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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2010, 11:12:30 PM »

A Manhattan Cabin model is essentially a 4 gram Pennyplane with a built-up cabin that must meet a minimum volume requirement and landing gear. The model must ROG.

Attached are the AMA Rules and a picture of a Manhattan model I am currently building.

The model is the Columbia Cruiser II from the Ron Williams Indoor Airplane book.

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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2010, 06:01:27 PM »

S. Smith

Thank you for that info Sir!!

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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2011, 10:39:10 PM »

A Manhattan Cabin model is essentially a 4 gram Pennyplane with a built-up cabin that must meet a minimum volume requirement and landing gear. The model must ROG.

Attached are the AMA Rules and a picture of a Manhattan model I am currently building.

The model is the Columbia Cruiser II from the Ron Williams Indoor Airplane book.

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Gee, did I design that? I looked it up and I guess so. I wish the site would allow the photos to be enlarged so one could see them better.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2011, 07:34:15 AM »

Hi, Ron; log time no chat. I have always been totally grateful for the boost you gave indoor flying and CIMAS. We lost that site to political correctness. Your book put my Daughter Jen on the road to aeromodelling. My copy probably ended up on some youngster's building table. Of late, I've been sizing up our local school's Gym spaces and wondering how to get them available for indoor flying. Soon, I think, maybe...

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2011, 03:07:09 PM »

Wow I thought this page died a long time ago ?
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2011, 06:19:07 PM »

Greg how did you loose your flying sight due to political correctness? I didnt know you flew indoors!
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2011, 08:39:03 AM »

I neither wish to open old wounds nor breed issues with the folks in charge. Short story long, an outside group (not CIMAS) ran a public even on school grounds and bad things happened. Consequently, all outside groups were forbidden to use school grounds. Maybe not the purest interpretation of political correctness, but I'm at a loss what else to call it.

Back on topic, I wonder where the Bill Tyler Memorial Trophy ended up.

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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2011, 12:16:08 PM »

I neither wish to open old wounds nor breed issues with the folks in charge. Short story long, an outside group (not CIMAS) ran a public even on school grounds and bad things happened. Consequently, all outside groups were forbidden to use school grounds. Maybe not the purest interpretation of political correctness, but I'm at a loss what else to call it.

Back on topic, I wonder where the Bill Tyler Memorial Trophy ended up.

Greg

Too bad but IMO not a surprise. Seems like flying sites are becoming less available as time marches on.

Not sure I'd call it "PC," perhaps a better way to think of it as "zero tolerance." Or "one bad apple ..."

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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2012, 12:45:32 PM »

Manhattan Cabin to be flown at upcoming contest in Glastonbury, CT on April 22, 2012
see:   http://www.newg.info/events.html


> Glastonbury indoor will be flying the following events on April 22
starting
> at 8am: Easy-B, Limited Penny Plane, HL Glider, Bostonian (14 grams),
> Manhattan Cabin, FAC No-Cal (3 gram min), FAC Peanut, FAC Scale, WWI, WWII
> and Golden Age Mass Launch, P-24 and Backstrom Born Loser (our Armstead
> trophy)

It's been a long time since I've flown there. I recall the ceiling as 30 to 40 feet.
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2014, 02:04:40 PM »

I flew Manhattan, EZB, and unlimited pennyplane in the late 1980's, and Jen set a national youth Cat III unlimited pennyplane record at one point. Now she's in her early 40's and has 3 kids from 5 y/o to 17 y/o.

Indoor Endurance at Columbia was the most fun I've ever had with my pants on, and I also competed in F Class Rifle at 1000yd. I miss the old Columbia gang.

Bob still flies power free flight somewhere around Middletown NY, but with about 6 hours worth of road between us, our meeting have become somewhat sparse. He spends a good bit of his time with his boys and his Grandson Jeffery. If I thought I could find a local site and gathering, I'd get back into indoor. It's a builder's game, and I love to build indoor planes, but FAI is way beyond my skills.

BTW, does anybody still use condenser paper, and if not, what's the current equivalent?

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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2014, 03:26:59 PM »

Greg
As far as I know the only event that people use condenser paper for these days is A6.

To all
Because of the 1.2g minimum weight for A6 only the very lightest of CP will let you get down to 1.2g. Getting that type of CP these days is nearly impossible. For that reason and also b/c CP is a nightmare to work with there are two current AMA rule change proposals that would allow Mylar covering on A6's. If you think this is a good idea then lobbying the indoor contest board members to vote for the proposals would be a big help.

Some of you probably know that I participate very heavily in A6 and hold several records. Being able to use Mylar covering is not going to make my models fly a lot better if any. What it WILL do is make it possible for others who don't have access to the very best of materials to build competitive A6's. And I think this would be a really good thing.
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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2014, 09:20:46 PM »

Olbill,

As you know I am not very competitive in A-6, but have flown it several years at the USIC. I favor the change to film covering.

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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2014, 10:03:35 PM »

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Lobbying of the indoor board members is what's needed. Please consider doing this.
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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2014, 03:02:44 PM »

Bill,

I did by starting with you. <Grin> Thanks. Maybe I should copy the others also.

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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2014, 03:42:22 PM »

Nice to see some activity in Manhattan Cabin. Though I never built one, it's been on my to-do list for decades, they just look so nice.

I flew Manhattan, EZB, and unlimited pennyplane in the late 1980's, and Jen set a national youth Cat III unlimited pennyplane record at one point. Now she's in her early 40's and has 3 kids from 5 y/o to 17 y/o.

Indoor Endurance at Columbia was the most fun I've ever had with my pants on, and I also competed in F Class Rifle at 1000yd. I miss the old Columbia gang.
Greg

I couldn't agree more Greg, it was really a great crowd. Ed Whitten, who invented Manhattan Cabin back in the 60's, and his son Richard flew Manhattans and other planes regularly at Columbia, I always thought they looked fantastic in the air, which was part of Ed's motivation for the design. Ed was also the editor of the New York Indoor Times. Here's a blast from the past - I scanned a page with Rotunda records as of 91. Who had the record (since 82!) of the top EZB at that time? Pete Andrews with 16:40, what a surprise, you'll see that Pete also had the record for Manhattan at 8:38 and Pusher at 12:23 (and Pete was such a nice guy as well)! I got up to 14:37 in EZB and was looking forward to spending the next few years trying to catch up to Pete's record, but we lost the Rotunda shortly after this issue came out.

Greg, I see your daughter Jen (I guess Ed misspelled it as Jan? he also added a space in my last name, oh well) had the Junior record for embryo, nice! Also many other well known modelers are on the list.
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2014, 06:50:44 PM »

Bill,

I did by starting with you. <Grin> Thanks. Maybe I should copy the others also.

Fred Rash

Good idea Fred!
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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2014, 08:48:30 AM »

Actually Ed didn't misspell, that's Jen's Cousin Jan, Bob's youngest.

He now has an Aero Eng. Degree from TX State, was a design team leader for the Boeing 777, and has garnered a wall-full of First Place AMA Nats plaques for H/L gliders.

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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2014, 11:16:49 AM »

Reference Reply #9.

Ron,
Did you know that a 'left click' of the mouse on a 'thumbnail' picture will usually shew the picture at a larger size?  Also this new larger picture will usually have some symbols at the top RH corner: an arrow to move to the next picture in a series, an X to close the pictures and, between the arrow and the X, a square with an arrow pointing from the north-east corner.  Clicking the 'square with arrow' usually produces an even larger view.  In the case of your Manhattan in reply #8 the image was larger than my computer screen.

Like everyone else I treasure my copy of your book.  It is obviously out-of-date in some areas but that does not detract from the basic information which is imparted with warmth and enthusiasm and the illustrations are a source of constant delight.
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