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« Reply #150 on: April 18, 2014, 05:16:48 AM »

Brian Lever and his yellow Veron Fairy Junior, Kitscale, also Nesmith Cougar from the Peck Polymers kit in the Peanut class.

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« Reply #151 on: April 18, 2014, 05:49:01 AM »

Much inspired by all this and grumpy I was not able to be there.

This Glider stuff is pretty enticing - so have been playing this morning and have arrived at a 40% version of the plan of the KK Minimoa - longstanding favourite of mine (flew one as a kid in the local park where there was a ridge and it  seemed to fly for hours).  It comes out just under 24ins span so would this not fit in the rules? Have had a look and it seems not to transgress - possibly a bit big for indoor but well it won't go that far will it?
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« Reply #152 on: April 18, 2014, 06:40:57 AM »

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Go for it on the Minimoa, 24" is about right. Pete Smarts will be around 20 (?) My Hutter is 24" and Andy's Prefect is 30". I think Russ's was similar.

Seriously don't use that rib shape though  Shocked
A 9% thick flat bottomed airfoil will do much better and you could loose some of those spars.
Build as light as you can (of course.)
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« Reply #153 on: April 18, 2014, 07:11:38 AM »

Earl Stahl had fun with aero-towing...

http://www.theplanpage.com/esp/schglider.htm
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« Reply #154 on: April 18, 2014, 08:00:56 AM »

That Schweizer might also well fit the comp!
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« Reply #155 on: April 18, 2014, 10:26:08 AM »

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Tell me about it  Roll Eyes Grin

Go for it on the Minimoa, 24" is about right. Pete Smarts will be around 20 (?) My Hutter is 24" and Andy's Prefect is 30". I think Russ's was similar.

Seriously don't use that rib shape though  Shocked
A 9% thick flat bottomed airfoil will do much better and you could loose some of those spars.
Build as light as you can (of course.)

Good that is nice to hear.  Now the plan I down loaded (from Outerzone) if the KK one but someone has kindly added the ribs from the Eiffel 400 airfoil which have an under camber.  Are you saying ignore those as well and use something like old Clarke Y for example?  Certainly the ribs on the printed sheet look very odd - grotesque in fact! 
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« Reply #156 on: April 18, 2014, 11:50:36 AM »

...someone has kindly added the ribs from the Eiffel 400 airfoil which have an under camber.  Are you saying ignore those as well and use something like old Clarke Y for example?

Yeah I noticed that. The Eiffel is still too thick for a good glide on something this small really. 'Clark Y style' at 9% thick would be ok (not the real Clark Y - still too thick). Or if you're up for undercamber you could improve on that. The thinner the better but under 8-9% thick and you start to need to think about stiffer (than conventional) structure and that can add weight.

P'raps we should take this to the indoor glider thread?


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« Reply #157 on: April 18, 2014, 12:14:34 PM »

I was wondering if it might be worth a new sub-section - 'Indoor scale gliders'.
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« Reply #158 on: April 18, 2014, 05:33:52 PM »

Yes, got carried away.  Still some disciplines to learn!
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« Reply #159 on: April 19, 2014, 12:22:03 PM »

Just a final thought on this character judging thing. How do you judge a KK Piper Family Cruiser, because it is wrongly named. It is in actual fact a Piper Pacer. As a model of a Family Cruiser it's pretty poor, as a Pacer it's not bad at all.

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« Reply #160 on: April 19, 2014, 03:26:41 PM »

Here also some response from the Continent. We had a great time, thank you all for the fun we had. It was my first trip to England I must say it was a superb one. Reading all the comments, it represents the jolly good time we spent together. Unfortunatly we where not all that lucky. But although it was a horrible seeing, optimistic as we are, we thought we could help the community with the hard lessons we learned, therefore we would like to present to you the first of, perhaps, many to follow  : Indoor flying instructions for Dummies  Wink

Download PDF Indoor flying instructions for Dummies


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« Reply #161 on: April 19, 2014, 05:15:31 PM »

Excellent  Grin
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« Reply #162 on: April 19, 2014, 05:16:47 PM »

But so cruel! I can almost hear the poor little thing squealing!
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« Reply #163 on: April 19, 2014, 06:01:29 PM »

 Grin .... good to meet you at the weekend Gerard (hope I have got the name right?)

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« Reply #164 on: April 25, 2014, 03:06:42 AM »

Yak52: Any thoughts on Glider for next year Andy?
I thought it was a great success.
Flying only again or will it move towards static judging?
(Early days I know)


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I've posted a response on the Scale INdoor Glider thread withut having read your comment above Jon, but I think it answers it. Basically, the comp will follow the same lines (pun intended) as this year with no static. Static judging takes time, requires yet another two helpers and I believe, in this case, may stifle the innovation I'm after in the class. Lets see what we can do on the flying side first. there are a lot of launch methods that have not yet been tried - aero tow by FF and/or RC tugs, RC cars, Electric winch, catapult, etc, etc - and a number of glider types that would benefit from experimentation. To my mind we need to see what we can do to get them flying before we start introducing static judging.

My response on the Glider thread is at: http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=15329.150

...and for those of you who have not seen the rules, you can find them here: http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=15329.100
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« Reply #165 on: May 22, 2014, 05:23:02 PM »

Mike Stuart has posted his report on his website.

http://www.ffscale.co.uk/page3ab.htm

Excellent as usual.
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« Reply #166 on: June 23, 2014, 06:34:39 PM »

A bit late now I know, but if anyone's still interested the write up in the latest RC Model Flyer by Bruce Corfe has this link to this cache of photos from the event:
https://tinyurl.com/NottsNats

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« Reply #167 on: June 27, 2014, 05:14:21 AM »

Thanks for the link Pete, that's a nice flying shot of your Albatross. And great pics of everyone doing the hokey cokey (sorry... pylon race! Grin)

I just came across a report by Hadi of the Vintage Model Co with some more videos:
http://www.vintagemodelcompany.com/blog/bmfa-indoor-scale-nationals-2014.html


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« Reply #168 on: June 30, 2014, 07:31:06 AM »

Thanks for the links fellers, I've been enjoying the pics and videos.

Stephen.
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« Reply #169 on: November 21, 2014, 10:28:53 AM »

Can anyone remind me of the dates for the Indoor Scale Nats 2015 please? (cant find it anywhere  Undecided)
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« Reply #170 on: November 21, 2014, 11:28:13 AM »

Jon, it's Sunday 19th April. It's on the July Newsletter, first page:
http://aero-modeller.com/files/2014/07/BMFA-Scale-2014_-_1_Newsletter_.pdf

Andy says 'provisionally booked' but I think that's now a firm date isn't it?
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« Reply #171 on: November 21, 2014, 11:47:05 AM »

Jon, it's Sunday 19th April. It's on the July Newsletter, first page:
http://aero-modeller.com/files/2014/07/BMFA-Scale-2014_-_1_Newsletter_.pdf

Andy says 'provisionally booked' but I think that's now a firm date isn't it?
Yes, in Wolverhampton. And a pre-Nats trimming session at Bushfields Peterborough 28th March (from Andy)

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« Reply #172 on: November 21, 2014, 01:35:59 PM »

Ah thanks, I'd seen that newsletter (by email?) but couldn't find it on the scalebmfa site...
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