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« on: September 12, 2016, 12:25:39 PM »

I hope someone has the answer to this question: The racer Jackie Cochran flew in the 1937 Bendix Race. Her race number was 13 and the Registration number on the rudder looks to me to read: R above 18562 . I have another photo which is NX 18562 but the registration number has NX above the 18562 and the race number identified as 33. I really need some advice since I intend to fly the model in FAC competition. Both of my pictures are black and white, but I think the color is maybe red all over.
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2016, 04:37:16 PM »

Hi Flyace,  Peter Berry's book on the Staggerwing has M. Cochrane's D17W listed this way:  Color, green and orange.  Race #13.  Reg #R18562. 

Hope this helps.   Rich
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2016, 05:11:20 PM »

Than You Audax, I guess the fuselage would be green and the rest would be orange?
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2016, 05:29:33 AM »

There's 3 or 4 B/W photos at http://beech17.net/?page_id=2323 - but they don't help much with colors???
Apparently it flew with a few different codes in 1937 - 1938 - 1939 - :

NX18562    1937-..-..    mfd, Pratt & Whitney R-985-SC-G (600 hp) 1937-08-08    Jacqueline Cochran-Odlum, New York City (NY) used in several air races (see also c/n 136)
NX18562/”33″    1937-..-..    
R18562/”33″    1937-..-..    
R18562/”13″    1937-..-..    Bendix Trophy Race 3rd place, 194.74 mph
NX18562/”31″    1938-..-..    & 1939-..-.. Bendix Trophy Races, Max Constant, 4th averaging 199.330 mph and 231.366 mph respectively
NX18562  1939-..-..    Jacqueline Cochran-Odlum set altitude record of 30.052,43 ft at Palm Springs (CA)

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Jackie Cochran with her record-setting Beech D17W “Staggerwing”, NR18562
https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/jacqueline-cochran/

One page mentions that she had a Mustang that "was painted “Lucky Strike Green” and carried the white race number 13.
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2016, 08:31:49 AM »

I researched this (a little) a couple years ago.   I found text (don't know where now) that stated the plane was Lucky Strike Green with Orange numerals.  To me, these two photos show no other airplane colors - the wings are the same as the fuselage.

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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2016, 08:44:55 AM »

Follow-up.  The references I found were in a yahoo group for scale modeling.  Lucky Strike Green, with Yellow registration and an Orange 13.

This seems to be consistent to me; she had a previous plane this green (the GeeBee Q.E.D.) and a later plane (Mustang) this color.  I can only imagine a sponsorship.  Here is a sample of the color - I would just use the current green Esaki tissue (not the old olive drab color).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2sHBS_aT1Kk/UA-q_C8VBNI/AAAAAAAALyw/2UZyiqRTMsc/s1600/Lucky+Strike+Original+Green.jpg

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2016, 06:09:50 AM »

I seem to remember that a couple of Staggerwings were included in Mendenhall's book of plans of air racers. He usually included notes on the colors of the planes. Jackie's D-17s might be in there.
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2016, 11:32:23 AM »

I checked Mendenhall's book first, but the only Beech 17 I found was Thaden's.  The other reference I found to confirm the colors on Cochrane's ship was Don Berliner's World Wide Directory of Racing Airplanes.  He describes it as "green with orange trim." 

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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2016, 01:02:58 PM »

Thank you all for the information you provided. I thought I could count on you and you came thru , as usual. I guess I better get going. Thanks again to you all. 
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2016, 12:37:01 PM »

This will be done and will really stand out in the field. Thanks George for the information.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2016, 02:02:21 PM »

A bit of trivia about the Luck Strike packaging: After the US entry into WWII, Luck Strike changed the pack from green to red, supposedly because the colorant used for the green packages needed to be used for green camo paint and dyes in the war effort. The cigarette company announced the change with the ad slogan "Luck Strike green goes to war".

Louis (no, I wasn't around then, but did hear about the color change as a child in the late 1940s.)
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2016, 10:03:31 AM »

Luck Strike did change the color of their package but it was from green to white (not red). The white package retained the red circle.

http://www.jimsburntofferings.com/adsluckystrikegreen.html

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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2016, 12:21:37 PM »

Jimmy;

You are right. I must have confused Luck Strike with the red package of Pell Mell, which I smoked in college---nothing since, though. Don't remember ever trying Luck Strike.

Louis
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2016, 12:47:47 PM »

I could not resist this after reading the opening post.
What's black and white and red all over?  Answer, A newspaper.  (Chortle, chortle as my childhood comics would say).
Apologies!
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