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« Reply #275 on: March 09, 2019, 10:34:23 PM »

Me being borderline OCD I know I would spend ages on the thing.

Monz, I think you might just be a card-carrying OCDetailer... there's a union you know!
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« Reply #276 on: March 10, 2019, 02:30:15 PM »

What is your indoor weight limit for this category plane?

200g,  recently increased from 150g.
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« Reply #277 on: March 10, 2019, 03:55:55 PM »

Hi Monz.  Wonderful build as usual.  I was wondering if you could take a picture of her with a ruler or something to give a scale for us that can't figure out how big it is. Grin  Ad ps....what does the Li mean?  Is it a name?
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« Reply #278 on: April 06, 2019, 09:54:22 PM »

Since "1/10" appears in the title, I'll go out on a limb and assume the model is 1/1o of actual size. In America, a full size Fokker has a span of near 30 ft., so... we'd say that's BIG a indoor model, with nearly a 3' span(nearly a full yard). In metric it be about 3" shorter than a full meter.  Still a larger than normal indoor model.  I think this may be part of a growing  trend and can't wait to see this one fly!
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« Reply #279 on: April 07, 2019, 09:10:35 PM »

Of course you could read the very first post where Monz tells you the span is 34".
You're welcome,

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« Reply #280 on: April 07, 2019, 10:31:45 PM »

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« Reply #281 on: April 08, 2019, 01:08:43 AM »

Really?  Gee you guys are so helpful.  Sorry I asked Monz a question.  But very glad that you guys are so happy to ad your opinions....I am sure they are appreciated by someone.
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« Reply #282 on: April 08, 2019, 01:24:44 AM »

Really?  Gee you guys are so helpful.  Sorry I asked Monz a question.  But very glad that you guys are so happy to ad your opinions....I am sure they are appreciated by someone.

I don't see a question in your post but I do agree with your assessment that there seems to be a growing trend toward larger models for indoor flying.  I think it is a wonderful trend as the large models are absolutely majestic in flight.  Some of Mike Stuart's large indoor models in particular have caught my eye.  Mike's quality is second to none and his large models seem to fly at walking speed.  I too am anxiously awaiting a flight report (and video!) of Monz's big DVII which is simply spectacular in its execution.
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« Reply #283 on: April 08, 2019, 03:28:19 AM »

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« Reply #284 on: April 08, 2019, 03:30:28 AM »

I also built a model of this size but, like Monz, could not control the weight for indoor (the loading was low but the rules go on max weight). Building that big for indoor needs a) very careful choice of subject (it's the noseweight that does you in) b) a step change in construction technique for lightness that I've realised is beyond me!
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« Reply #285 on: April 08, 2019, 04:31:53 AM »

There’s large and there’s LARGE. Mike’s Fox Moth, at about 100g is nowhere near the 200g limit, but its span is 5 inches less than Monz’s Fokker. I think building as light as Mike does is a very tricky skill to master, but there is also a limit to the size where it becomes feasible for indoors.
(But I wonder how light that giant Fokker monoplane of Pete Smart’s was that he flew indoors a couple of years ago?)
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« Reply #286 on: April 08, 2019, 10:35:35 PM »

Welll there's also arguement for  'entering' the 21st century.
Just cuz Granpa didn't do it.. is small reason for avoiding

Here's a couple of 'large' (2 m) Indoor airliners that do fairly well...  with retracts even  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDtqUg8R6Jw
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAiJxw7v9tw
 OR? even a 2 M scale horten model.. indoors
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=lApEkLmUDKY
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« Reply #287 on: April 09, 2019, 03:32:54 AM »

Fred,

Note that this Airbus is rather a baloon than a plane. It has an inflated fuselage filled with helium gas. I dont't think it is alllowed by BMFA rules for indoor planes.

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« Reply #288 on: April 09, 2019, 04:14:45 AM »

I wasn’t suggesting very large models couldn’t be flown indoors; just that there comes a point when keeping to the BMFA’s 200g limit becomes almost impossible (without helium!). As Bill said, nose weight is the killer, but before adding it to her DVII Monz was well under, so I don’t think 34”is the feasible size limit. (Too big for me though!)
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« Reply #289 on: April 09, 2019, 10:14:30 AM »

Quote from: Glenn (gravitywell)  opined >...  But very glad that you guys are so happy to ad your opinions....I am sure they are appreciated by someone.
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Glenn,  sorry I didn't add appropriate emodicons. Sad Sad Wasn't trying to be sarcastic.

Great thing about any trend is the excitement and exchange of ideas. Historically, I tend to not weigh any of my models and also select wood by eye and heft.  So I find the thoughts about nose weight, in context of max weight limit, quite revealing.

I used to watch the "dawn flight" at the annual Taft bash, back in the 80's. It would be awesome to have similar outdoor scale event when the air is dead still!
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« Reply #290 on: April 14, 2019, 09:39:54 AM »

Couldn't the limiting/excessive nose weight issue be mitigated somewhat by carefully choosing subjects with longer nose moments?
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« Reply #291 on: April 14, 2019, 10:08:54 AM »

Couldn't the limiting/excessive nose weight issue be mitigated somewhat by carefully choosing subjects with longer nose moments?
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« Reply #292 on: April 15, 2019, 01:15:18 PM »

Post 284?    Well, yeah sort of... Grin
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« Reply #293 on: April 20, 2019, 05:01:44 PM »

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I hope Monz doesn't mind me jumping the gun but ... The Fokker has flown :-). It had an uneventful maiden flight on a short trimming motor. A few more turns resulted in beautiful climb away and left turn.. That's pretty much flying off the drawing board to me.

I have a video of the flights which I'll post tomorrow, sorry too knackered to edit it now after a day at the BARCS F3k 'come and try' day where the flights took place... it  was a brilliant event.

There's a couple of screen grabs from the flights, I'll sort the video out tomorrow
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« Reply #294 on: April 20, 2019, 05:19:21 PM »

Yeeehaaaa! I'm still grinning from earlier. I really didn't expect it to go as well as it did straight off the board.

Thanks for sticking around to help and film it.
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« Reply #295 on: April 20, 2019, 05:39:50 PM »

That’s great news! Sheer class. I can’t wait for the video and to see it in action for real.

Please don’t leave it too long before you put a pilot in the office though, Monz. (Why am I’m getting a sense of deja vue saying that? Grin)
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« Reply #296 on: April 20, 2019, 05:42:13 PM »

Gosh.....you just build the most beautiful things.  Thanks for sharing it with us.
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« Reply #297 on: April 20, 2019, 06:15:53 PM »

Awesome news! BTW- love your "indoor" sight! The closest wall must be behind you?
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« Reply #298 on: April 20, 2019, 07:19:39 PM »

Beautiful sunlit pics, and a perfect launch, Monz.   Shocked Cool

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« Reply #299 on: April 20, 2019, 08:35:37 PM »

Nicely done, Monz!  Congrats!! Your build log was also very well laid out as well.
Looking forward to the flight video also. Simply just blown away. Smiley

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