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« on: May 31, 2017, 03:42:52 AM »

Inspired by a fellow model maker who was curious about the Guillows kits, we decided to take the plunge. Here's how we went: https://youtu.be/GkRz2GdgVWM
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2017, 10:12:33 PM »

I love the Arrow.  Built and lost two.  Great vid. Nice models.
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2017, 10:20:11 PM »

I love the Arrow.  Built and lost two.  Great vid. Nice models.
Hi Mooney, thanks for the feedback. I'm recovering the Arrow wing after a bit of minor wing damage. I really enjoy flying it... it's a very stable and forgiving design. Try the little Super Cub 95... it's a terrific flyer... the wing shape is similar when viewed from below... and if you get enough altitude it glides brilliantly back to earth which is quite a treat to watch.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2017, 06:15:26 AM »

Great flights!  You mentioned in you other post that you're still trimming and repairing the wing on the Edge, Same thing happened to mine. Just repaired and re-covered. On the look out for a very long grass field for testing again to help with those hard landings (stalls and nose dives!)

Only one good indoor flight video on youtube from a Edge 450. I think we should both try and add to that
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2017, 06:57:21 AM »

Great flights!  You mentioned in you other post that you're still trimming and repairing the wing on the Edge, Same thing happened to mine. Just repaired and re-covered. On the look out for a very long grass field for testing again to help with those hard landings (stalls and nose dives!)

Only one good indoor flight video on youtube from a Edge 450. I think we should both try and add to that
Ha ha... I've actually been repairing the left wing this evening... I have a video of it's last flight with the wing being ripped off... I'm hoping to get the Edge flying again properly so I can do a successful video to complete the story. I agree with you that we need to add to the videos of the Edge on You Tube. I don't know where you find fields with long grass. Here in NZ the council diligently mows the reserves and parks on a weekly basis... you really need to live on a farm to find a field with long grass. The wing failed at the root where it joins the fuselage. I always felt that this was a weak point in the design. I've filled in the space between the stringers in the fuselage where the wing joins on so that is a much larger area of contact between the wing and the fuselage and hope that will help. I've added some additional right thrust and will put a trim tab on the left wing to try and keep it up. The Edge is a mid-wing design so I'm not sure how best to trim it. I was originally thinking that I would let it circle left naturally and just minimise the wing dropping, but I'm not so sure now. It was showing lots of promise and trying to climb on two loops of 1/8 FAI rubber. Let me know how your Edge is going... were in the middle of winter here so it might be a week or so before I get a decent flying day. cheers Peter
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2017, 07:14:18 AM »

Great flights!  You mentioned in you other post that you're still trimming and repairing the wing on the Edge, Same thing happened to mine. Just repaired and re-covered. On the look out for a very long grass field for testing again to help with those hard landings (stalls and nose dives!)

Only one good indoor flight video on youtube from a Edge 450. I think we should both try and add to that
Ha ha... I've actually been repairing the left wing this evening... I have a video of it's last flight with the wing being ripped off... I'm hoping to get the Edge flying again properly so I can do a successful video to complete the story. I agree with you that we need to add to the videos of the Edge on You Tube. I don't know where you find fields with long grass. Here in NZ the council diligently mows the reserves and parks on a weekly basis... you really need to live on a farm to find a field with long grass. The wing failed at the root where it joins the fuselage. I always felt that this was a weak point in the design. I've filled in the space between the stringers in the fuselage where the wing joins on so that is a much larger area of contact between the wing and the fuselage and hope that will help. I've added some additional right thrust and will put a trim tab on the left wing to try and keep it up. The Edge is a mid-wing design so I'm not sure how best to trim it. I was originally thinking that I would let it circle left naturally and just minimise the wing dropping, but I'm not so sure now. It was showing lots of promise and trying to climb on two loops of 1/8 FAI rubber. Let me know how your Edge is going... were in the middle of winter here so it might be a week or so before I get a decent flying day. cheers Peter

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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2017, 07:14:48 AM »

Great flights!  You mentioned in you other post that you're still trimming and repairing the wing on the Edge, Same thing happened to mine. Just repaired and re-covered. On the look out for a very long grass field for testing again to help with those hard landings (stalls and nose dives!)

Only one good indoor flight video on youtube from a Edge 450. I think we should both try and add to that
Ha ha... I've actually been repairing the left wing this evening... I have a video of it's last flight with the wing being ripped off... I'm hoping to get the Edge flying again properly so I can do a successful video to complete the story. I agree with you that we need to add to the videos of the Edge on You Tube. I don't know where you find fields with long grass. Here in NZ the council diligently mows the reserves and parks on a weekly basis... you really need to live on a farm to find a field with long grass. The wing failed at the root where it joins the fuselage. I always felt that this was a weak point in the design. I've filled in the space between the stringers in the fuselage where the wing joins on so that is a much larger area of contact between the wing and the fuselage and hope that will help. I've added some additional right thrust and will put a trim tab on the left wing to try and keep it up. The Edge is a mid-wing design so I'm not sure how best to trim it. I was originally thinking that I would let it circle left naturally and just minimise the wing dropping, but I'm not so sure now. It was showing lots of promise and trying to climb on two loops of 1/8 FAI rubber. Let me know how your Edge is going... were in the middle of winter here so it might be a week or so before I get a decent flying day. cheers Peter

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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2017, 11:11:08 AM »

That last photo look identical to what mine looked like. The Edge has a lot of balsa on it. I dont think it particularly has a week spot on the wing/fuse just trimming required. Edge will ever glide, more of a fast/hard landing just got to hope its not on its side.  Its a heavy plane even though the balsa that my laser cut kit came with seemed like reasonable quallity.

Load the video of the crash flight if you can. It would be intesting to see how it behaved compared to mine. The best I got was about 8 or 10 seconds. Funny thing was, that it was just about falling apart by that time but i was hell bent on giving it another go and it was worth seeing do a short but decent flight. After that the real damage came.

Do you use the kit rubber or sports rubber?

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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2017, 11:37:07 AM »

Minotaur I got a huge kick out of watching your flying. Guillows has taken a lot of flak especially from the scale group, because they try to design for the masses. They are still around! I never really admired the great lines of the Arrow til now. Some designs are made to fly and some you have to force to fly. This looks like more fun. No more lamenting my broken Spitfires!
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2017, 04:42:57 PM »

Minotaur I got a huge kick out of watching your flying. Guillows has taken a lot of flak especially from the scale group, because they try to design for the masses. They are still around! I never really admired the great lines of the Arrow til now. Some designs are made to fly and some you have to force to fly. This looks like more fun. No more lamenting my broken Spitfires!


Hi Crabby, I've grown to like the look of the Arrow. I prefer scale models or old-time vintage designs for their looks.  My first build was the small Guillows Super Cub 95 which I struggled to get to fly, so my friend who had built the Lancer suggested trying the Arrow as it was more likely to fly readily, which proved correct. Ironically I found the Guillows design used wood that was too thin and weak for the rear fuselage and I replaced it with thicker & heavier wood before I was able to get it to fly without risk of breakage. My first Super Cub was a flop but I built a second off the plans and did a bit of strengthening around the wing to fuselage joint and ironically it turned out heavier than the first, but with decent rubber it flies great and is my favourite to watch in the air. In NZ Guillows are the only brand in the general toy stores (and very few at that) and they are pretty inexpensive. I've been quite impressed that Guillows offer such good plans, really clear instructions for newbies, and also surplus wood and tissue. I always have stuff left over after every build. I don't mind the props either. None of the props have stopped any of my planes flying to date.Through more specialist model outlets West Wing and our own local brand AIRSAIL are available. The Airsail kits look great... I've bought one that I'll build and review later this year... nice laser cut parts, beautiful balsa, good prop/rubber etc..
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2017, 05:08:15 PM »

Minotaur I got a huge kick out of watching your flying. Guillows has taken a lot of flak especially from the scale group, because they try to design for the masses. They are still around! I never really admired the great lines of the Arrow til now. Some designs are made to fly and some you have to force to fly. This looks like more fun. No more lamenting my broken Spitfires!


Hi Crabby, I've grown to like the look of the Arrow. I prefer scale models or old-time vintage designs for their looks.  My first build was the small Guillows Super Cub 95 which I struggled to get to fly, so my friend who had built the Lancer suggested trying the Arrow as it was more likely to fly readily, which proved correct. Ironically I found the Guillows design used wood that was too thin and weak for the rear fuselage and I replaced it with thicker & heavier wood before I was able to get it to fly without risk of breakage. My first Super Cub was a flop but I built a second off the plans and did a bit of strengthening around the wing to fuselage joint and ironically it turned out heavier than the first, but with decent rubber it flies great and is my favourite to watch in the air. In NZ Guillows are the only brand in the general toy stores (and very few at that) and they are pretty inexpensive. I've been quite impressed that Guillows offer such good plans, really clear instructions for newbies, and also surplus wood and tissue. I always have stuff left over after every build. I don't mind the props either. None of the props have stopped any of my planes flying to date.Through more specialist model outlets West Wing and our own local brand AIRSAIL are available. The Airsail kits look great... I've bought one that I'll build and review later this year... nice laser cut parts, beautiful balsa, good prop/rubber etc..

Regarding the models in the video, The Lancer was straight out of the box, The Arrow is straight out of the box... but after repairs to the rear fuselage after crash damage were made (the blue prop was used because I left the kit black prop at home by mistake on the day... the kit prop works better though), The Super Cub is a rebuild after the first one became too damaged... but the original flew out of the box.
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2017, 05:27:56 PM »

That last photo look identical to what mine looked like. The Edge has a lot of balsa on it. I dont think it particularly has a week spot on the wing/fuse just trimming required. Edge will ever glide, more of a fast/hard landing just got to hope its not on its side.  Its a heavy plane even though the balsa that my laser cut kit came with seemed like reasonable quallity.

Load the video of the crash flight if you can. It would be intesting to see how it behaved compared to mine. The best I got was about 8 or 10 seconds. Funny thing was, that it was just about falling apart by that time but i was hell bent on giving it another go and it was worth seeing do a short but decent flight. After that the real damage came.

Do you use the kit rubber or sports rubber?


I'll load the videos tonight so you can see... they're not the best but you'll be able to at least see the flight patterns. I managed flights of 10 seconds, 13 seconds and 14 seconds in low circles, before upping the winds.... to get the Edge to climb and the fatal crash. I'm using a 100" length of FAI 1/8 rubber, in two 25" loops stretch wound, lubricated. My Edge weighs 47 gms with prop and rubber motor. I gave up on the detachable vac-form cowl (winding and reattaching the rubber to the hook too fiddly) and made my own noseblock. I'm using a different prop only because I epoxied it to the nose block and didn't want to permanently do the same to the kit prop (which I think is pretty good!). I'm altering the thrust angle by shimming the nose block. I'll load the video tonight. cheers Peter
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2017, 05:30:39 PM »

That last photo look identical to what mine looked like. The Edge has a lot of balsa on it. I dont think it particularly has a week spot on the wing/fuse just trimming required. Edge will ever glide, more of a fast/hard landing just got to hope its not on its side.  Its a heavy plane even though the balsa that my laser cut kit came with seemed like reasonable quallity.

Load the video of the crash flight if you can. It would be intesting to see how it behaved compared to mine. The best I got was about 8 or 10 seconds. Funny thing was, that it was just about falling apart by that time but i was hell bent on giving it another go and it was worth seeing do a short but decent flight. After that the real damage came.

Do you use the kit rubber or sports rubber?


I'll load the videos tonight so you can see... they're not the best but you'll be able to at least see the flight patterns. I managed flights of 10 seconds, 13 seconds and 14 seconds in low circles, before upping the winds.... to get the Edge to climb and the fatal crash. I'm using a 100" length of FAI 1/8 rubber, in two 25" loops stretch wound, lubricated. My Edge weighs 47 gms with prop and rubber motor. I gave up on the detachable vac-form cowl (winding and reattaching the rubber to the hook too fiddly) and made my own noseblock. I'm using a different prop only because I epoxied it to the nose block and didn't want to permanently do the same to the kit prop (which I think is pretty good!). I'm altering the thrust angle by shimming the nose block. I'll load the video tonight. cheers Peter

I'll start a new post in Your Birds in Flight "Guillows Edge 540 Free Flights NZ" so other people can find it easily... look out for this tonight
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2017, 06:28:34 AM »

That last photo look identical to what mine looked like. The Edge has a lot of balsa on it. I dont think it particularly has a week spot on the wing/fuse just trimming required. Edge will ever glide, more of a fast/hard landing just got to hope its not on its side.  Its a heavy plane even though the balsa that my laser cut kit came with seemed like reasonable quallity.

Load the video of the crash flight if you can. It would be intesting to see how it behaved compared to mine. The best I got was about 8 or 10 seconds. Funny thing was, that it was just about falling apart by that time but i was hell bent on giving it another go and it was worth seeing do a short but decent flight. After that the real damage came.

Do you use the kit rubber or sports rubber?


I'll load the videos tonight so you can see... they're not the best but you'll be able to at least see the flight patterns. I managed flights of 10 seconds, 13 seconds and 14 seconds in low circles, before upping the winds.... to get the Edge to climb and the fatal crash. I'm using a 100" length of FAI 1/8 rubber, in two 25" loops stretch wound, lubricated. My Edge weighs 47 gms with prop and rubber motor. I gave up on the detachable vac-form cowl (winding and reattaching the rubber to the hook too fiddly) and made my own noseblock. I'm using a different prop only because I epoxied it to the nose block and didn't want to permanently do the same to the kit prop (which I think is pretty good!). I'm altering the thrust angle by shimming the nose block. I'll load the video tonight. cheers Peter

I'll start a new post in Your Birds in Flight "Guillows Edge 540 Free Flights NZ" so other people can find it easily... look out for this tonight
That last photo look identical to what mine looked like. The Edge has a lot of balsa on it. I dont think it particularly has a week spot on the wing/fuse just trimming required. Edge will ever glide, more of a fast/hard landing just got to hope its not on its side.  Its a heavy plane even though the balsa that my laser cut kit came with seemed like reasonable quallity.

Load the video of the crash flight if you can. It would be intesting to see how it behaved compared to mine. The best I got was about 8 or 10 seconds. Funny thing was, that it was just about falling apart by that time but i was hell bent on giving it another go and it was worth seeing do a short but decent flight. After that the real damage came.

Do you use the kit rubber or sports rubber?


I'll load the videos tonight so you can see... they're not the best but you'll be able to at least see the flight patterns. I managed flights of 10 seconds, 13 seconds and 14 seconds in low circles, before upping the winds.... to get the Edge to climb and the fatal crash. I'm using a 100" length of FAI 1/8 rubber, in two 25" loops stretch wound, lubricated. My Edge weighs 47 gms with prop and rubber motor. I gave up on the detachable vac-form cowl (winding and reattaching the rubber to the hook too fiddly) and made my own noseblock. I'm using a different prop only because I epoxied it to the nose block and didn't want to permanently do the same to the kit prop (which I think is pretty good!). I'm altering the thrust angle by shimming the nose block. I'll load the video tonight. cheers Peter

I'll start a new post in Your Birds in Flight "Guillows Edge 540 Free Flights NZ" so other people can find it easily... look out for this tonight

Okay video is up now... I've started a new post for the Guillows Edge, so just go there and you can follow the link. I hope my flights give you some useful input to work on your Edge. My Edge is now repaired. I'll test as soon as the weather is ideal. cheers Peter
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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2017, 03:26:07 AM »

I love the Arrow.  Built and lost two.  Great vid. Nice models.
Hi Mooney, thanks for the feedback. I'm recovering the Arrow wing after a bit of minor wing damage. I really enjoy flying it... it's a very stable and forgiving design. Try the little Super Cub 95... it's a terrific flyer... the wing shape is similar when viewed from below... and if you get enough altitude it glides brilliantly back to earth which is quite a treat to watch.

Repaired and recovered the Arrow Wing with yellow Esaki tissue... then for fun added some pre-war USAAF markings. If I build another Arrow I'll do it properly in pre-war USAAF markings for a bit of fun
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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2017, 03:29:10 AM »

Minotaur I got a huge kick out of watching your flying. Guillows has taken a lot of flak especially from the scale group, because they try to design for the masses. They are still around! I never really admired the great lines of the Arrow til now. Some designs are made to fly and some you have to force to fly. This looks like more fun. No more lamenting my broken Spitfires!

Repaired the Arrow wing... decided to recover it at the same time...for fun I put pre-war USAAF markings on it.
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