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« Reply #100 on: February 17, 2019, 09:38:05 AM »

Either that or apply the parts of the lettering that fit between the stringers using decal (you could identify the precise shape of these with a paper template first) then touch in the stringer area with a brush? Will avoid guesswork with the vertical stretching of the letters, and trying to get decal  to conform around three sides of the stringer, regardless of setting solutions, etc.
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« Reply #101 on: February 17, 2019, 12:43:54 PM »

Either that or apply the parts of the lettering that fit between the stringers using decal (you could identify the precise shape of these with a paper template first) then touch in the stringer area with a brush? Will avoid guesswork with the vertical stretching of the letters, and trying to get decal  to conform around three sides of the stringer, regardless of setting solutions, etc.

Thanks Graham good idea, that's exactly what I have decided to do.

I've made up and printed out a decal sheet, I'll cut a stinger sized gap in each letter as Graham describes

I tried spraying some decal paper with enamel thinned with cellulose thinners and there was no obvious reaction. I'll see if it still works as a transfer once the paint has properly dried. I keep getting lots of popping ( small pin holes ) appearing - is this too thick a coat ? I do get impatient and want to get a nice solid coat on  Undecided

I did the Romanian flag on the tail too. This one is modelled on one of a fleet of PZL Wilga's used as glider tugs by the Romanian Aero Club who fly out of Bucharest. I've opted for YA-VLC as its rigged with a bit of dihedral and the lettering on the blue fuselage stripe is in yellow rather than the harder to produce white used on some of the other aircraft



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« Reply #102 on: February 17, 2019, 01:48:10 PM »

I've sprayed decal with enamel/cellulose many times without problems.
What a fabulous model this has turned out to be. It never appealed to me before but this looks great.
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« Reply #103 on: February 18, 2019, 12:37:15 PM »

Still the grass is starting to grow so I'll find out soon ;-).


Tell me about it.  Before global warming you used to put the lawn mower away in October and not get it out again till next April Smiley

Nice Wilga BTW

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« Reply #104 on: February 19, 2019, 03:16:05 PM »

Thanks both

The grass can't grow quickly enough for me... ;-)

 Hope you get some decent weather soon for the Chipmunk too

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« Reply #105 on: February 19, 2019, 03:58:48 PM »

That Wilga's looking fabulous, Chris (and it'll be another for my YHWM gallery! http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=13128.0)
What an eye-catching model it will be.

Incidentally, browsing through a Polish book I've got, I realised I've got a really nice 3-view drawing of the lone Wilga prototype, SP-PAZ. It's a much simpler boxy shape than a proper Wilga like yours, but I'm thinking it would make a nice rubber model. I found these pics on the 'net, but I suspect there are not enough photos out there for proper documentation unfortunately.
(Sorry- don't mean to sidetrack your build thread.)
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« Reply #106 on: February 19, 2019, 04:15:50 PM »

Lovely job, Chris Smiley
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« Reply #107 on: February 19, 2019, 04:27:55 PM »

Thanks Pete. Nice YHWM thread

The prototype looks great and possibly a good deal lighter to build there's lots of wood in the AM version... My Wilga is a victim of Christmas excess and has put on some unwanted weight . I might need your source of solid helium you have clearly used in your PT3 to lighten the rear end.

The prototype has a Dornier DO27 look about it to me, I wonder if that was their inspiration or maybe they got there first ? It looks a bit ungainly on its long UC legs but I kind of like it

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« Reply #108 on: February 19, 2019, 07:11:25 PM »

Looking great Chris!

I too fancied the Wilga 1 as a subject but hit a brick wall with docs: photos are a problem, although the indications are it was red and white, and i couldn’t find a three view at all.
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« Reply #109 on: February 20, 2019, 02:10:37 AM »

I've found a few... and Monz kindly sent me some ( Thanks again Monz)

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« Reply #110 on: February 20, 2019, 02:56:49 AM »

That Wilga's looking fabulous, Chris (and it'll be another for my YHWM gallery! http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=13128.0)

I just went through the YHWM gallery and I do think there needs to be some sort of rule as regards the amount of non-yellow permitted for a model to qualify. For example there is a rather dodgy blue and yellow Storch on skis.
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« Reply #111 on: February 20, 2019, 05:00:35 AM »

I just went through the YHWM gallery...  there is a rather dodgy blue and yellow Storch on skis.
I don’t quite see the problem; are you suggesting the Storch is somehow not a monoplane with a yellow high wing?

Graham, this is the book with the Wilga 1 three-view. Let me know if want a scan of it. It’s got a LOT of gliders in too, but also a fine selection of obscure (to me anyway) but tempting Polish light aeroplanes. Lots of PZLs and LWDs among others.
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« Reply #112 on: February 20, 2019, 05:02:11 AM »

YLWM would be deadest winners then Cheesy Cheesy

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« Reply #113 on: February 20, 2019, 05:46:13 AM »

Looking great Chris!

I too fancied the Wilga 1 as a subject but hit a brick wall with docs: photos are a problem, although the indications are it was red and white, and i couldn’t find a three view at all.

Graham, there's a Wilga 1 side view here: https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2732029-Wilga-32-35

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« Reply #114 on: February 20, 2019, 07:37:47 AM »

I just went through the YHWM gallery...  there is a rather dodgy blue and yellow Storch on skis.
I don’t quite see the problem; are you suggesting the Storch is somehow not a monoplane with a yellow high wing?

Yes-that would be a MWAYHW. Who started this nonsense?!
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« Reply #115 on: February 20, 2019, 01:59:16 PM »

Thanks Jon,

Between us Pete and i have managed to locate two good three views, a colour profile, three complete photos (one colour) and a few part shots of the sole Wilga 1. A nice subject, but only enough docs really for a peanut, which is tempting!

Sorry Chris: thread hijack ends Wink
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« Reply #116 on: February 23, 2019, 01:47:39 PM »

All hijacks welcome ;-)

Spent a nice relaxing afternoon putting the transfers on.

The side ones worked well using Graham's idea of chopping a stringer sized bit out of the relevant letters. I used Decal Fix to stick them too so they conform into the corners.

Slight disappointment with my yellow transfers on the blue stripe. Of course in retrospect transparent yellow over blue makes... yep dark greeny black.

I had the great idea over applying another yellow decal over the top but of course transparent yellow over greeny black ... yep darker greeny black !!!!



I think I might have to leave it , I can't think of a way of doing it without spending out on pro printed expensive dry transfer prints and for this model it's not really worth it... sorry PZL Wilga






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« Reply #117 on: February 23, 2019, 02:22:57 PM »

Chris, could you not print yellow onto white decal and cut out? I had a similar but easier problem on this Caproni. I don't know what made me think I could put a yellow and pale blue transfer over black, but putting a white decal disc on first sorted it.
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« Reply #118 on: February 23, 2019, 02:23:40 PM »

Looking great, Chris.
Cut vinyl would perhaps cover it ok?
Would gladly cut it for you if I can get the right yellow
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« Reply #119 on: February 23, 2019, 02:25:49 PM »

... actually might have some yellow solartrim.
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« Reply #120 on: February 23, 2019, 03:37:48 PM »

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Chris, could you not print yellow onto white decal and cut out?

Good thought Bill but the lettering is only 5mm tall and they would have to be cut as individual letters  Sad

Russ that's a kind offer, yes a vinyl (solartrim ) would do it if you can cut that small. I can pm you a jpeg/pdf of the lettering if you are able to to do it

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« Reply #121 on: February 23, 2019, 03:50:33 PM »

Match the colours as close as you can and try printing the yellow lettering and blue background on thin (50gsm) white paper. This is very smooth and sold as layout pads for artists/architects as it can lay over an existing drawing and still allow it to be visible for corrections. Cut the logos out in word sized rectangles and glue to model with aliphatic. Touch in the white edges of the paper as necessary: the paper is so thin it will conform to the model and the edges will be practically invisible.
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« Reply #122 on: February 23, 2019, 04:15:16 PM »

A PDF with 'proper' text would be preferable to a jpg ... so I don't have to trace anything,  though I will if necessary.
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« Reply #123 on: February 24, 2019, 12:48:39 PM »

Thanks for the help Graham and Russ

Fitted the aileron/flaps and leading slats today. I've used an extra spacer to help maintain an even gap

I've added a landing light into the tip too with a bit of litho plate. Just the glazing and pilot to go :-)
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« Reply #124 on: February 24, 2019, 07:53:47 PM »

The registration looks neat SN. It's certainly a charming aircraft.

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