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« on: June 07, 2019, 09:00:48 PM »

looking for a copy of the plan and article for John Watters FF scale 020 Bucker Jungmeister which was published as a full size in the Jan/Feb 1998 issue of 'Fly Scale Model'   [a new start up publication from the AMI stable]...happy to buy the whole magazine providing it still has the plan in it...

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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2019, 09:25:26 PM »

The plan from the publisher:
http://flyingscalemodels.com/store/products/bucker-133-jungmeister-plan/
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2019, 07:08:11 PM »

For what they're asking for the plan alone I'd be able to buy the whole magazine second hand AND get it airmailed to me....

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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2019, 01:58:45 AM »

Chris, there is a 26" inline version from Aeromodeller by W Lister on Outerzone. It isn't 36" as listed. It could easily be lightened.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2019, 03:45:07 PM »

Thanks for that reminder Bill.  I sent a note to Steve at OZ re the size discrepancy.  

I really like an inline engine Jungmeister.  This lovely beast (a Polish built version, completed by Zlin-Avion) is well documented if you Google search on its registration number.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ajw1970/34253715642/sizes/k/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/aerofossile2012/45962665394/sizes/l
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2019, 06:24:52 PM »

Chris, there is a 26" inline version from Aeromodeller by W Lister on Outerzone. It isn't 36" as listed. It could easily be lightened.

Bill -is that the Eric Coates one?     I have the MA C/L one-and may well build it....just to upset the complacent..."What??... Murphy turning up with C/L SCALE model..??!!"-   but the appeal of a small F/F one remains...I particularly like the Swiss ones with their generally yellow colour schemes....

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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2019, 08:51:12 PM »

Chris,
         Are you sure it is the Jungmeister plan you are looking for? The only inline Jungmeister was the prototype. All the Jungmann's were inline and were made in high volume.
I have a plan of the Jungmeister that was used to build a peanut.
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2019, 10:57:34 PM »

The OP knows what he wants.  "We" took the liberty of interposing the inline configuration; but the plan in Ratz's link is the radial version, for the plan the OP asked about. There are a number of later Jungmeister full scale builds ("homebuilts" and conversions) that use LOM and similar inline engines for power.  Of course, they are much better looking than the radial ones....     Grin
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2019, 03:12:27 AM »

Chris, there is a 26" inline version from Aeromodeller by W Lister on Outerzone. It isn't 36" as listed. It could easily be lightened.

Bill -is that the Eric Coates one?     I have the MA C/L one-and may well build it....just to upset the complacent..."What??... Murphy turning up with C/L SCALE model..??!!"-   but the appeal of a small F/F one remains...I particularly like the Swiss ones with their generally yellow colour schemes....

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Chris, no they are different. If you do a search on OZ for just 'Bucker' you will find all sorts of Jungmenn and meisters, and cowlings. It depends what you want. An inline Jungmann is much easier than a radial meister and can be in the yellow Swiss scheme. These will also be German Hirth engine versions with flat top cowling; most Jungmenn you see are the Spanish CASA version with different, and curved top, cowlings.
If you want a yellow one, I suggest the Coates 36" plan (very accurate) and scale it for what you want, but much lighter. This is my 30" rubber one and the same size would suit a Mills 75. They fly very well - some say they even weathercock into wind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gGRqfjDPIc
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2019, 05:47:05 AM »

Chris,
         Are you sure it is the Jungmeister plan you are looking for? The only inline Jungmeister was the prototype. All the Jungmann's were inline and were made in high volume.
I have a plan of the Jungmeister that was used to build a peanut.
Ricky 

Yes Ricky its the 23" ADH plan radial Jungmeister plan from jan/feb 99 FSM I'm specifically looking for...

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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2019, 05:50:12 AM »

That's very nice Bill-and exactly the colour scheme I had in mind-though I had U-99 in mind as the specific aircraft....!

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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2019, 06:22:21 AM »

I picked that one because there were lots of photos at the time of it hanging up in Zurich airport and I could read the little stencil writing!
PS by a miracle I kept the stencil writing file, so when the time comes...
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2019, 06:51:14 AM »

Hi Chris,
            I am pretty sure I have a copy of that FSM. I will let me know tomorrow.
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2019, 06:51:37 AM »

I think I have this. Give me a couple of days to dig through my plans stash & I'll see if I can find it.

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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2019, 08:46:38 PM »

Thanks guys-I await developments with interest....

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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2019, 05:54:26 AM »

Chris, I have all issues of FSM from Vol 1 No1 onwards and I have them all indexed and a database of the fullsize plans. Can do you a copy if you still need it.
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2019, 05:57:30 AM »

Nev-since you're local-yes, please!-a copy of the plan and the original article would be great....    I have a complete set of AMIs-but never purchased FSM....probably because the local bookshops never stocked it, unlike AMI.

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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2019, 05:04:29 AM »

Chris, Article and plan scanned, PM me your email address and I'll send them on.
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2019, 05:24:39 PM »


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My old stamping grounds......I used to work at Portobello Marine Lab in the early 90s

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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2019, 06:24:52 PM »

Chris,
         Clearly you now have the plan. This was the one issue I was missing. Also were you aware there were two publications under the heading of R/C Flying Scale International, one from Nexus and the the other from Traplet. Very confusing. I remember visiting you at Portobello and having to puch start the hire car.
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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2019, 07:20:11 PM »

Anyway-all thanks for your suggestions and queries-and I'm pleased to announce that thanks to kiwi Nev I now have both the plan and article-after a couple of hiccups with the scans not always overlapping-and enough to put together the complete plan, which I'll do this weekend.  At first glance, it looks as though with a bit of work it would make a passable rubber scale model as well-with some judicious adjustment of structure to lighten it a bit. Having had a rummage through the small diesel box (OK-I'm spoilt for choice...!) a VA Elfin 0.36 would fit quite nicely within the cowl, likewise a Schlosser 0.25 or a John 0.3-and with the cowl split horizontally you can start and do your adjustments with the top half of the cowl removed, before replacing the half cowl for launch....    At this stage I'm leaning towards the Schlosser-both for its compactness-and also its ability to slog on a 6x4-which looks about right diameter on the plan.....the Kalper .32 and VA Mills 0.4 are just too big to fit comfortably in the cowl-not the least for depth-as you have to be able to choke them....the John 0.3 is the neatest fit-but revs like a TD and only likes the small 4" to 4-1/2" props...which is a bit problematic in terms of cowl clearance...

 FWIW an 8" dia looks about right for rubber power....

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« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2019, 07:24:35 PM »

I just had another wicked thought....a Gasparin GM-300 might fit rather nicely as well......

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