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« on: June 13, 2019, 07:31:05 AM »

I'm looking for drawings of Roscoe Turner's Laird-Turner LTR-14 racer known variously as Pescoe Special, Meteor, Ring-Free Special and Miss Champion.

Ideally I would like to get hold of a high resolution copy of Ken Wilson's drawing. There is a scan from a book in the Plans Gallery dated 1969 but also this drawing dated 1974 here:

https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/7/4/5/9/0/a1797875-43-laird-turner_ltr-14_meteor_3view2.jpg

Anyone know where I can get a better res copy please?

I also have the Paul Matt drawings (available on Aerofred) but these, while detailed, appear to be slightly less accurate.

Thanks for any help...


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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2019, 09:21:06 AM »

Does this help?

https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/1/2/1/5/2/a10672033-201-Pesco_Special_3V_RCM-9086_Drawing_NOARTICLE.jpg

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2019, 09:29:59 AM »

Thanks Monz - I do have that one actually as it's in that RCG thread as a pdf  Cool

The side profile looks good but it shows no dihedral  Undecided The Matt and Wilson drawings show 3.5" of dihedral and it does look like there is some in the contemporary photos.

Appreciate it though!  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2019, 11:32:04 AM »

When I get home next week I can scan the Hirsch drawings for ya.

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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2019, 03:46:00 AM »

That would be great, thanks BG!
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2019, 10:57:52 AM »

I notice on Monz' drawing there is an explicit note saying 0 degrees dihedral on top.  I wonder if the plane was flown with different riggings from time to time or if the rigging evolved?  I also notice that the drawing in question shows asymmetry in the tailplane.
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2019, 11:13:02 AM »

Hi Strato,

Yes that's a possibility - the aircraft seems to have done very few hours and only flown at the three races.

FWIW the Matt and Wilson drawings also note 3.5" of dihedral ('of MAC' on the Matt drawings) - so equally specific.

Matt Drawings here: https://aerofred.com/details.php?image_id=98746


I couldn't seen any tailplane asymetry tbh?


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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2019, 12:26:18 PM »

Ken Wilson is a member of this forum under Idora.

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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2019, 12:21:40 PM »

This Wikipedia article seems to imply that the airplane may have had two different wings installed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laird-Turner_Meteor_LTR-14

And this article linked from Wikipedia is an interesting read on flying the replica.

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=ba2afb94-34c6-449b-87d5-97a7d3433823
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2019, 12:46:43 PM »

Jon, have you got the Charles Mendenhall drawing? Mr Mendenhall is not exactly known for his accuracy I know, but I can scan and send if you want it.
(Very good to see you back on the scale trail btw!)
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2019, 07:30:24 PM »

Apart from the various marking/sponsor changes year to year , Hirsch shows it in original uncompleted form as well, with smaller constant chord wings (built by Lawrence Brown IIRC). Roscoe Turner took one look at it, and was unhappy enough to throw it unflown at Matty Laird to sort out.


Jon, i think the Wilson drawing is in the Schmid / Weaver book “The Golden Age of Air Racing Pre-1940”, which i highly recommend. I’ll look tomorrow and scan if so.

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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2019, 05:09:45 AM »

Thanks for the info guys. I was thinking that this might make a nice Peanut or Open scale model. I suppose most of these drawings would do for documentation but I have been sucked down the rabbit hole of comparing them to side photos in CAD for accuracy. A state of paralysis is the result as usual  Roll Eyes

Pete, thanks for the heads up - I thought I'd have a little look before troubling you and found that the Mendenhall books are on RCLibrary! https://rclibrary.co.uk/title_details.asp?ID=1457
So many great subjects to get distracted by! The Meteor drawings look quite good at first glance.

Graham - thanks yes I had looked for that book on ebay but it's 'reassuringly expensive' Shocked Let me check out the Mendenhall drawings and see if they will do. But a high quality scan of the Wilson ones would be very helpful if that's what I decide to use - thanks!


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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2019, 05:20:21 AM »

Drawings of the Pesco Special were in Aeromodeller  June 1961, Model Aviation March 1977 and R/C Modeler June 1973
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2019, 06:14:26 AM »

Thanks Kiwi, the 1973 R/C Modeler drawing is the one Monz linked to.

I've not see the AM June '61 'Aircraft Described' yet...
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2019, 06:30:37 AM »

No problem Jon: it is in the aforementioned book, plus a few extra details. The repro in the book is good, so it should scan nicely. I'll get on that later.
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2019, 06:57:53 AM »

Brilliant, thanks Graham. Some photos there that I haven't got too!
It definitely had dihedral then  Cool
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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2019, 07:22:23 AM »

Thanks for the excellent scans Graham  Cool

I found the Aeromodeller three view on RC Bookcase:
https://rcbookcase.com/data/media/6/06AeroModeller_June_1961.pdf

Not the best quality scan but a handy preview.
Again it seems to have the dihedral and the side profile looks about right.
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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2020, 08:38:27 PM »

Has anyone built the Easy Built kit? If so, how does it fly?
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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2020, 09:01:13 PM »

I have an uncertain memory that Rich Zapf used to fly a Meteor. I don't know if it was from the Easy Built kit, though.
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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2020, 07:42:32 PM »

Odd... Unless intending this as an RC model.... the Dihedral will needs be excessive .. by necessity. 
Rending all scale concerns,  as Moot.
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« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2020, 03:50:38 AM »

That's one very negative way to look at it. Other people are able to enjoy stick and tissue free flight scale models.
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« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2020, 08:46:49 PM »

Yes I would have to agree Lincoln. Sticking to scale requirements certainly makes it more difficult to achieve good flying models but there are many examples of good flying models both on HPA and elsewhere Fred.

Have you seen any of MAXFLIART's videos on UTube?

Merry Christmas

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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2021, 03:06:21 AM »

Just a heads up everyone that the registration as raced at Cleveland in 1939 was different - X263Y not R263Y. It’s also a different type face to that depicted on the drawings listed above.

Visible at time 18 minutes + in the You Tube ‘1939 Cleveland National Air Race’ archive footage.

https://youtu.be/qCkNIL8d9-Y

Some useful colour footage earlier in the film.

Might be of interest to some for authenticity.

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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2021, 05:00:08 AM »

On closer study of the other aircraft racing looks like the registration prefix is NX  - so registration for the race at least was NX263Y
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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2021, 09:56:43 PM »

Has anyone built the Easy Built kit? If so, how does it fly?

I'm a bit late to this thread, but.....I built the Easy Built Meteor, though not to plan.  The wings in the kit are highly elongated, which gives it a LOT more area than it might otherwise have had! Great for flying, not so great for scale appearance.....so I bashed it to something more true.  It was a pretty good flyer---killer climb, good cruise, less than spectacular glide.  It wanted to be about 15% lighter, I think.  I won a kanone with it one windy Wawayanda day some year ago.
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