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« on: August 10, 2019, 01:34:37 PM »

I recently acquired this kit as a prize for the longest flight in our club's Cloud Tramp mass launch last weekend. It looks like an attractive model so I thought I'd give it a go.

 It's the Easy Built Models kit and features everything but the glue, according to the box. The strip wood looks good and there's a some laser cut sheet too for the ribs and part formers so I'll use the kit wood. It includes some nice light moulded wheels as well as wire for the undercarriage and even acetate sheet for the screen. There's some orange and blue tissue in the kit but I fancy this one in yellow so I'll use some Esaki I already have.

 It looks like the sort of model that will need a DT so maybe a pop up wing ?  Not Sure ?... a pop up tail looks like it could be more tricky.... any thoughts out there in the Jimmie Allen loving world ?
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2019, 02:13:42 PM »

Look forward to your build, Chris .... it's just reminded me of a long forgotten kit stash!
Out to the shed to investigate!
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2019, 02:32:05 PM »

I hope that you don't mind me posting this, but I just checked out the forgotten stash!
Not just the Skokie, but others too!
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2019, 02:49:04 PM »

Don't Mind !!! ofcourse not  Grin. Nice stash Russ

Is this an excuse to build one of them ??
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2019, 03:00:40 PM »

I should build them all really ... bar perhaps the Hansa B. peanut.
That was a gift from Peter who used to run the Alumwell meetings over ten years ago ... the small tail looks a bit off-putting! 
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2019, 03:54:11 PM »

The Skokie looks like a quick build  Cool...hopefully

Also SNAP - I have the same Hansa B kit which I won, at my only pre aeromodelling rebirth, attempt at the indoor Nats in 1986 ? with a Telco powered Veron SE5A... it did some very nice taxying but didn't get airbourne, I think I got the prize because I was 16, I tried and they took pitty on me  Undecided

Anyway I built it, I still have it, and I can't get it to fly either. Looks nice though  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2019, 04:10:09 PM »

I think I got mine with the SAM Jimmie Allen mass launch in mind ... I'll have to check if SAM35 still do something like this?

I was going to say that you couldn't have been very old in 1986 ... then the answer came!
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2019, 04:22:32 PM »

http://www.raynesparkmac.co.nf/ja2.htm#Report

Here's a report I remember from years ago .... Nick Peppiatt's model using a pop-up wing DT

(Scroll up for the photos )
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2019, 04:32:08 PM »

Thanks Russ I think a pop up wing is the way to go

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I was going to say that you couldn't have been very old in 1986 ... then the answer came!

Hmmm. yes got my dates wrong...it was actually 1982 at Milton Keynes and I was 16 1/2  Wink  The winner of the CO2/electric class was by coincidence Nick Peppiatt. Other notable competitors were, now fellow club member, Charlie Newman and a certain Mr Doug Hunt, I wonder what he's up to nowadays?  Wink
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2019, 11:39:16 AM »

A bit more on the Jimmie Allen today

Simple box construction for the fuselage with part formers added later.

The balsa for the wing ribs is considerably heavy than I would use normally but it is laser cut so at least it's quick to put together

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2019, 03:49:34 PM »

Squirrelnet -

The Jimmie Allen Skokie is a great flyer.

It is easily the most popular of the Jimmie Allen models at FAC contests.

The Skokie definitely needs a DT.

I don't think you will be happy with a pop-up wing DT.  It usually leads to a nose down dive upon activation, exposing the prop and the front end of the fuselage to damage.

Experts like Stan Buddenbohm and Clink Brooks use a pop-up wing DT on their P-30 models, but those models also have a pop-up stab, so the model comes down gently in a a horizontal attitude.

I used a traditional pop-up stab and fin combination in the DT of my Skokie.  See the attached picture.  This model was built from the Easy Built Models kit.

I initially used a plastic prop on my Skokie.  I had to add a dime coin to the tail to get the CG right.  So I ditched the plastic prop and substituted a carved balsa prop. This eliminated the need for the tail ballast.  The Skokie was probably designed long before the advent of injection molded plastic props and it therefore has a long nose moment due to the light weight of the carved balsa wood props prevalent at the time.

As I recall my Skokie needed a typical amount of down and right thrust to achieve a nice climb out pattern.

I will be following your build.

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2019, 11:16:33 PM »

I use a pop-up wing on my Skokie. I've had no problems on landings so far. May be it's because the model usually lands before DT Grin. I sanded the top of the nose block's plug section so that if the prop hits the ground first, it easily dislodges the nose block. Here are some pictures.

The first picture shows some of the main components.
1) The rubberband which pulls the wing back
2) The "catch" line, which is a simple loop with ends anchored at the top of the cabin (also see the last picture)
3) The peg in the center of the wing to which the catch line (bottom) and the rubberband (top) attach
4) The timer line which is attached on one end somewhere on the fuselage, and the other end is connected to the viscous timer through a rubberband (also see the second picture)
5) The front peg, over which the timer line passes and holds the wing down
6) The two rear pegs are for routing the rubberband and don't need to be exactly that way. Whatever works to route the rubberband properly is good.

The second picture shows the same components from the other side of the fuselage. Note that the timer rubberband is in "park" position, normally you would attach it to the timer arm.

The third picture shows the setup in DT position, which should help clarify the interaction of the components in operation.

I hope this helps.

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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2019, 02:12:12 AM »

Thanks both for your replies, very much appreciated

It seems there are good pros and cons to both methods of DT. I'll keep going with the build while I decide which one to use but despite the nose down fear the pop up wing stills seems the most attractive to me, if only for easy of installation
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2019, 04:39:21 PM »

A bit more on the Skokie

At risk of turning the thread into a 'Notes and Queries' Column

Does anyone know who or what a Skokie actually is ?

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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2019, 05:07:56 PM »

A bit more the Skokie
At risk of turning the thread into a 'Notes and Queries' Column
Does anyone know who or what a Skokie actually is ?
Perhaps the designer lived there. If I lived in Skokie, I would name a model after it. But I wouldn't march.
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2019, 03:39:13 PM »

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Perhaps the designer lived there. If I lived in Skokie, I would name a model after it. But I wouldn't march.

Just had to search that in google...I had no idea ! I suppose a model could be named after the 'Skokie Affair' - a legal case which has become a marker for free speech - The US Supreme court ruled that the people of Skokie could not stop a march by the National Socialists (self proclaimed Nazi's) as it, to broadly summarise, infringed first amendment rights... some hollocaust survivors set up a museum as a result of the ruling.

...further research reveals this was 1977 and the Skokie was designed in 1939.

so a bit more research ...

It appears that Jimmie Allen was the subject of a radio programme in the 1930's 'The Air Adventures of Jimmie Allen' and according  my research seems to be a fictitious figure. It was, though,  the first radio show to feature direct reference to model building. To quote 'The Antique Airfield'

One of the things that set the Jimmie Allen radio program apart from the others were the Jimmie Allen Air Races. These were model airplane contests using balsa stick-&-tissue rubber powered models that participants picked up at their local gas stations and built themselves. The Air Races were hugely popular with 10,000 to 30,000 participants at each event, held in cities like Wichita, Denver, Des Moines, Kansas City, St. Louis, Chicago, and Los Angeles.


The Skokie is also known as the BA Cabin model so maybe Skokie was a later nickname?

Some of you may know all this already but if so why is the BA Cabin also called a Skokie?



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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2019, 04:48:06 PM »

Thanks, Chris and Bill. I’d never heard of the Skokie March either. Nor did I know about the origins of Jimmie Allen models. All very interesting. A bit more detail here if you scroll down a bit.
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2019, 05:23:47 PM »

Thanks for the link Pete

So from that the BA in BA Cabin is likely to stand for British American as the British American Oil Company ( now Gulf ) sponsored the event the model now known as a Skokie was designed for.

 The town of Skokie in illinois appears to have no links with the oil industry so no clues there.

The word Skokie is of Native American origin from the Potawatomi people of the western Great Lakes region, in their language it means marsh ....  The town of Skokie is on the edge of marsh land . The town was originally called Niles Center but this caused confusion with the neighbouring Niles so in the 1930s the village had a campaign to rename the town resulting in 1940 with a referendum in which ‘Skokie’ triumphed over ‘Devonshire’

This is at least contemporary with the design of the model so is this why its called a Skokie ... after a newly named suburb of Chicago ?  Not sure I’m any the wiser ....
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2019, 06:23:56 PM »

Do you think maybe ‘Skokie’ is just derived from Skelly Oil? (Which was the US oil company that first kitted it according to some of the websites already mentioned, British American being a subsidiary of same.)
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2019, 06:40:12 PM »

Also, according to Wikipedia, Skelly Oil was based in Oklahoma, and Oklahoma residents are Okies aren’t they? (Or so I seem to remember from reading The Grapes of Wrath at school!)
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2019, 02:14:02 AM »

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Do you think maybe ‘Skokie’ is just derived from Skelly Oil? (Which was the US oil company that first kitted it according to some of the websites already mentioned, British American being a subsidiary of same.)

Sounds quite plausible to me

A search on the 'Urban Dictonary' reveals the word is also a slang term for things not repeatable on this site but its unlikely a model aircraft would be named after that either, particularly a nice looking one with a reputation for flying very well

Is the real reason lost in the mists of time ?

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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2019, 02:55:58 AM »

Also, according to Wikipedia, Skelly Oil was based in Oklahoma, and Oklahoma residents are Okies aren’t they? (Or so I seem to remember from reading The Grapes of Wrath at school!)
That sounds good to me!
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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2019, 04:05:03 AM »

I was wondering why we didn't have a definitive answer from the US but perhaps there is nobody who knows. It seems only recently that if I wanted to know something from the aeromodelling past, there were older people I could just ask. Suddenly I find that I am that person and the only FF scale chap I can ask is Terry Manley. Once the eye witnesses have gone, it becomes hearsay and speculation. Alex Imrie would have known this.
I remember clear as day being with an old chap in the 70s who was an RFC motorcycle messenger. Suddenly he dropped into the conversation that he regularly delivered letters to Albert Ball, frequently finding him in his tent and cabbage patch. That was a bit spooky.
Anyway Skelly/Okie is probably the best we'll get!
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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2019, 04:30:37 AM »

Have I missed mention of the designer .... "Speed" Robertson, here?
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2019, 04:39:24 AM »

Tissue markings on the easy built website:
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