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« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2020, 12:27:51 PM »

Some really nice woodwork Crabby. Can't wait to see them on the fuse.

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« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2020, 09:57:43 AM »

Good am comrades, and thanks guys for stopping by to check me out! Hello Oliver!

Yesterday I fiddled with the cowl by "spit forming" stiff 1/32" sheet around a 2" diameter hole saw and wrapping it with ankle wrap from the first-aid supplies. I then baked it in the oven at 275 for two hours, loosing track of time... I find spit works better than any of the other "solutions I have tried. No buckles either. You will note that as usual when doing a radial cowl I run the grain lengthwise to the sheet so I can do the operation in one piece. It really works well for me. So I tacked it all together and I now face the scale... 19 grams. I am gonna go for the cowl "bumps" next, then probably the cabin details. Its the journey not the destination, still I have visions of launching this model into the gentle cyclones! I am letting my wife choose the color scheme. I went with the dihedral angle found on the plan, .75 at the wing tips. I have to refer back to Paul Bradley's build to set the incidence, he got some advise on increasing it some from a fellow builder. I think the dihedral seems kinda flat for a model.
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« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2020, 05:28:58 PM »

That's interesting that you can get 1/32 to wrap around that small of a form -- I'm going to have to try it.  That, and baking.  Maybe not the spit though -- I'm not sure I could work up enough for such a large cowl!

Apparently spit is also a good mild cleaning solution for removing organic matter from ancient artifacts.  As in -- honest to gosh museum conservators use it for cleaning mummy cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhbFLt7tGWc&t=392s
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« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2020, 06:04:27 PM »

Nice cowl. I'm also amazed that your "spittoon" technique works so well and with stiff balsa!  Smiley

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« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2020, 06:58:32 PM »

I saw it on National Geographic a long time ago. These African ladies were handweaving baskets and other stuff from a stiff African Plains grass. They would run it through their lips and then bend, twist, and form it into the craziest shapes without ever breaking it. So I suck on lemon drops and slobber, in a neat and classy way, all over a 2" x 7" x 1/32! The key is to wrap while pulling around the form inside an Ace bandage. The Ace bandage is stretchy. Here we go with the cowl bumps. My OCD wont let me get away with the bad spacing!
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« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2020, 10:41:56 PM »

I tested negative for Covid BTW
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« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2020, 06:59:54 PM »

 Cheesy It's nice to know you won't be infecting a poor innocent model!

Thanks for the info!

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« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2020, 07:54:33 PM »

Have to be careful, I tested positive for Castor. Grin
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« Reply #58 on: December 09, 2020, 11:34:02 PM »

Here is one color version I like, since orange is a favorite color of mine. Its not an SR-7, but who's telling? the other I like is Doolittle's SR-10 I will post a pic of that soon. I found a nice inexpensive set of acrylics at Home Depot the other day and I have been fooling around with them doing tissue samples then coating with clear dope just to get the feel of it. I never took stock of all the tissue I have. Jeez guilt trip! with the esaki shortage going on. You'd think I've hoarding it like toilet tissue a few months back.
Anyway I am looking at Stinson Gullwing colors right now, its dazzling!
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« Reply #59 on: December 11, 2020, 09:45:28 AM »

OK the plane I have decided to copy from is a Stinson SR-9F NC-18445. Its because I like orange, and the lightning bolt. Plus because this is gonna be hand painted, there doesn't seem to be any particularly challenging super graphics on this plane, except for the Stinson logo on the tail. As the work goes on I MAY chicken out and use the printer here and there, but I am doing my best to stay away from printed tissue, so I can use my eye-hand coordination, while I still have some. The landing gear dilemma, I decided like Paul, to rely on my much improved (?) flying skills, and just glue 'em on with a few spots of straight Duco onto a foundation of solid painted balsa. In the highly unlikely  Roll Eyes event of a hard landing they will knock off and not take any tissue with it. I am not even going to use any wire through the fuse, to save some weight. If there are any objections I will hear them now along with cross-examinations. I have satisfied Flydean and moved the motor peg nose-ward.
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« Reply #60 on: December 11, 2020, 01:36:14 PM »

I think you are doing a fine job, Crabby and regarding your plans to finish, don't see any reason to object. Everyone has their own preferred methods of finish, and what is best or preferred for one is not for another. Basically you have to please you, because in reality that is the only one who matters in this case.

The black does remind me of Comet kit black tissue, that for some odd reason was included in more kits than not in 1965 - 1966. Being a military dependent with transportation (24" English 3 speed bicycle), I'd ride over to the Keesler AFB hobby shop several miles away (in Biloxi, MS) and buy Esaki style Japanese tissue. (I don't know the actual name then, I was only 11-12 YO, didn't require adult escort then). It covered so much nicer compared with the shoe box packing grade tissue so common in kits back then.

I covered a 16" span Comet Ryan SC low wing cabin with Comet black, looked a little gawdy but still cool in my own eyes. Forgoing the black tissue that came with the kit, I covered Sparky in genuine orange for wings and stab, and blue for fuselage and rudder. Then at 32" span, Sparky was huge.
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« Reply #61 on: December 11, 2020, 02:11:47 PM »

Well done grasshopper, well done.
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« Reply #62 on: December 11, 2020, 03:36:28 PM »

I like the colour choice Crabby. 
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« Reply #63 on: December 11, 2020, 04:03:12 PM »

Geez IS it black? I was seeing a deep blue. Glad we are having this discussion!
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« Reply #64 on: December 11, 2020, 10:05:02 PM »

My ancient eyeballs see black and red.
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« Reply #65 on: December 12, 2020, 09:59:52 AM »

I have to get my eyes antique eyeballs checked. I am now convinced it does look black and red. I guess I must’ve had the orange light on! I am gonna have to get comfortable with black. It may take awhile. Maybe I will stick with my blue and orange and give it a fictitious serial number.
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« Reply #66 on: December 12, 2020, 10:34:28 AM »

Hey man, it's your world, and they all like you there. Cheesy
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« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2020, 11:07:40 AM »

Put your rose colored spectacles in your pocket, Crabby!  Grin  If ya had your heart set on blue, there is a nice blue and orange SR-8 in the Delta Airlines Museum, done up in early Northeast Airlines livery. The official colors are "Stinson Blue" and "International Orange."  On their website, they have a few pics, even a shot of the logo/emblem on the fuselage side,  that could be printed out and affixed to your Esaki...

https://www.deltamuseum.org/exhibits/exhibits/aircraft/stinson-reliant

See more web images if you google/search  on  "northeast airlines stinson reliant"

https://www.flugzeuginfo.net/images/museums/deltamuseum/sr-8e_northeastairlines_nc16181_deltaheritagemuseum_02.jpg
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« Reply #68 on: December 12, 2020, 01:02:20 PM »

Thanks for that Indoor Flyer, AND after finding an article about NC 18445 in the Nov/Dec 2016 Vintage aircraft, it it described as being black, red, and gold. I will look for the gold. So that settles it. Either black and red, or I go with the Delta Airlines version, which is unquestionably the colors I like. I was thinking NC 18445 was a Dark Navy and orange. The orange comes from a graphic arts interpretation of what is known as warm red, which some swear is orange. Dark Navy to a layman's eye is virtually black. Whatever! I am now getting myself all turned on to do a black SR-7 NC 18445. Its just that way-out for me that its exciting in a taboo way. Two non colors Thee Olde Man expressly forbade in my watercolor box are black and white, so I am a little brainwashed still, and I refuse unintentionally, to see or interpret either. That's just how this kid was raised, and I still roll that way!
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« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2020, 08:49:25 PM »

I was thinking about the plastic kits I have collected, and the Monogram Classics kit of the Grumman F3F is one I had to have because of the cool way you spin the prop and the landing gear retracts into the fuse. Well, the engine detail just happens to be a Pratt & Whitney AND it is a perfect fit! Its too heavy for a porker, but I can make a silicone mold and pour one from a lighter material. I found the gold on the plane...its the outline of the lightning bolt, the serial numbers, and the bow and arrow logo. But having the plastic motor fit in was a turn on!
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« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2020, 11:42:20 PM »

It's definitely going to need a light copy of that Crabby. Nice.

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« Reply #71 on: December 19, 2020, 01:59:54 PM »

After some fence-sitting over the color matter I decided to try an enlarged mock up of the lightning bolt detail on the fuse and wheel pants. I think I can so this for the Reliant, but its gonna take some micro-sharp surgical blades, and at least a half hours' meditation period to calm the clutter. I went out and bought cheap gold wrapping tissue, gold paint pens, tiny brushes etc. As usual I went beserk buying "S" I won't use. After 3 attempts with acrylics and swearing, I wised up and cut the red, doped it on the gold, cut around it, then doped it on to the black. You have to have something behind the red or the black will swallow the whole thing up when you dope it. Paint pens are out with dope (of course)>
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« Reply #72 on: December 19, 2020, 06:12:31 PM »

That's a bit 'flash' there Crabby!   Smiley
Thanks again for the advice here on the cowl bumps - worked a treat.
Stinson looking great.
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« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2020, 07:04:35 PM »

That's neat Crabby!

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« Reply #74 on: December 21, 2020, 08:27:04 PM »

Wow!!  Great work Crabby.  I don't know if I have the nerve to try cowl 'nipples'Huh what are they called  Smiley
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