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Russ Lister
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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2021, 02:04:33 PM »

That has saved me some typing thank you, Lurker!
Similar thoughts myself ... except I was thinking of regular updates online (of the ongoing score situation)... this could be as simple as posting a photo of each score sheet on a common site of choice.
It could also be a snapshot of a spreadsheet ... possibly easier than a photo of a manual score sheet?
Paul Rich does a very good job at the indoor scale Nats.... different I know, but works well.
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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2021, 03:18:33 PM »

It seems to me that the issue here is the gathering round the results board. Surely this is a ideal application for a website. as the BMFA already has a website all it needs is someone (doesn't is sound so simple) to setup a webpage to update and show the results and an app for the timekeepers submit the results. Once setup it can be used again and again.


Roger

ps I am not a webpage developer.

pps golf clubs do have such sites so it's not a new concept.
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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2021, 05:59:14 PM »

We already have some scoring set ups using Excel (extra FF classes being done) and trialled at the 2019 indoor nats and outdoor RC comps last year.
One CD with laptop or tablet entering the scores given to him verbally (from 2m away) by each judge after each flight. 
Or by himself if he was judging. 

Not beyond the wit of man to post those scores up on a whats app group set up with all the competitors on (pre entry of course) to share the scoreboard.
Or a web page everyone can log into etc etc - all points to discuss to come up with a safe way of doing it without paper, pens and potential infection.

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« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2021, 01:10:10 AM »

The ideas about websites & whatsapp groups are all technically feasible, but they require some poor devil to spend time and money setting everything up, they then require ongoing care and feeding which also costs time and money. CHE made the point that money was tight. If they're put together quickly they can be flaky and crash prone.  Code written in a hurry is always flaky, DAHIKT.  If a website requires registration (i.e names and addresses) then it also has to take account of data protection legislation. Such solutions also require competitors to have a "smart" phone if they are to be able to access any proposed website/whatsapp group at the field.  Not everyone does, a lot of people still use plain old portable 'phones for various reasons.  There are also people who will have absolutely nothing to do with any of Zuckerberg's products including WhatsApp.  So as well as the cost of setting everything up and keeping it running you've added two more hurdles that may dissuade people from entering.   I'm sorry, but I really do think that a technology heavy solution is not the way to go.

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« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2021, 04:28:51 AM »

Whatever the system, it will always go wrong at some point meaning someone needing to think on their feet. The man (or woman) is therefore much more crucial than the machine I think, and much harder to find. I’m afraid a Gordon Warburton with a steam powered abacus will always trump a dolt like me using the latest ‘foolproof’ technology.
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« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2021, 04:45:59 AM »

It seems to me that the issue here is the gathering round the results board.

What about a white board and big writing?
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« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2021, 06:57:05 AM »

Lurker has it spot on; more specialist tech you use, the more problems you have.

I have been to contests, Mongolia was one, where the dedicated website with dedicated on-site free WiFi never kept up with the scores being shown on the TVs for some reason, and there was quite a delay at times. And note this was for a single contest of ~100 entrants, not the typical Nats days of ~12 events and ~200 entries. Just don't go there.

Do white boards work when it rains ? I didn't think they did.

The fact is that large, paper score boards do work, can be seen at a (social) distance by many but do take time to fill in. People need to be patient, but there lies the rub.

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« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2021, 10:34:30 AM »

It seems to me that the issue here is the gathering round the results board.

What about a white board and big writing?

That would work for me, Jon
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