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« on: December 02, 2021, 05:05:15 AM »

I'd been thinking about a model of a model, preferably one that everyone recognizes. A Sig Kadet with a proportionally wider and deeper fuselage would work.
https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=2950 (note that some of the pictures are not of the right Kadet)
An Esquire might be a little easier to  massage into compliance, but no flashy paint job to copy:
https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=384

The Trixter beam might be a good subject:
https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=2864

Or a Dakota:
https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=233

clipped wing Curtiss Airmail Bipe:
https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=3864
Not really from Comet, I think, but an imposter which is pretty convincing, but I seem to recall figuring out it was just done to look like a Comet plan. Obviously by someone who's  looked at a lot of Comet plans.

I seem to recall looking at the Live Wire Kitten, and deciding it needed too much additional fuselage depth:
https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=275

Then there's the Schatzie. I think the plan was from the April 1995 INAV, though I don't seem to have this issue where I'd expect it. If I didn't screw up, it's very close to Bostonian proportions. I suppose it might have been meant as a Bostonian rather than exact scale. I don't know. You'll have to enlarge it again. I threw in a couple of pictures. Note that there is an early version and a retract version.


I may have screwed up, but the Peerless 12 inch Waco might be enlarged and suitably massaged:
https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=12558

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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2021, 05:44:15 AM »

Some interesting choices .... I do like the Waco  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2021, 05:53:51 AM »

I've always thought the Siebel Si-201 would make an amusing Bostonian.

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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2021, 06:37:45 AM »

No trouble with the box there Jon  Smiley

Not sure if I have mentioned this before, but one of my 'secret list' a good few years ago was the Nemesis.
It's surprising how easy this can be made to fit Bostonian rules if the box is allowed to lay flat.
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2021, 07:36:50 AM »


A Nemesis Bostonian ... huh. Who woulda thought? Interesting.


Lincoln, how about a Keith Laumer design? Or maybe a cartoonized Albert Hatfull design?


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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2021, 07:45:55 AM »

I remember Russ Smiley
I think the Rolls Royce 'Spirit of Innovation' has an even bigger, blockier nose  Cool
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2021, 07:55:35 AM »

Something I designed some time ago.  Bostonian fuselage but other details sized for interest sake. Piper like features, but no intent at impostering any small cabin class airplane. Just fun drawing. I have not built yet. Life got in the way.

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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2021, 09:48:37 AM »



Lincoln, how about a Keith Laumer design? Or maybe a cartoonized Albert Hatfull design?


Mike Stuart's SortaSenator fits the bill for this ... great perfomer too
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2021, 09:52:40 AM »

I started drawing up a Decathlon about 15 years ago .... I don't know why I didn't build it because it looked great as a Bostonian.
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2021, 12:15:43 PM »

I kind of like the look of the Cactus Kitten, 1921 racer.
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I did a Nieuport Tristonian a few years back.  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2021, 12:30:46 PM »

I kind of like the look of the Cactus Kitten, 1921 racer.
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Plus one for the Cactus Kitten! Always fancied that one. Full name of course is the “Curtiss Cox Cactus Kiitten” (alliterative but hard to say quickly after a few beers) and I’ve recently discovered this Catron and Fisk Triplane too, which is also crying out to be modelled.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2021, 01:36:19 PM »

How about a Bostonaire, a representation of Sig's Cabinaire?

https://outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=11476
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2021, 02:00:09 PM »

I like the Bostonaire.
Never had much joy with my Cabinaire. The wings seem a bit flimsy without a bottom spar ... dropping things on it from a top cupboard will see off most wings though! That was just one of the breakages though and I did convert to electric so higher weight.
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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2021, 03:43:23 PM »

I started drawing up a Decathlon about 15 years ago .... I don't know why I didn't build it because it looked great as a Bostonian.

Dave Collins gave us this Citabria/Bostonian plan with tissue printing templates.  Simply squaring off the trailing edge would give you a decent approximation to the Decathlon Xtreme...

https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/details.php?image_id=10765&mode=search

Prior to publication of the Collins/Skylake "Bostabria" ,  Jim Kostecky also published a "Bostabria".   Here's a comparison of the two plans:

Edit: Jim Longstreth also had a bostonian Citabria
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2021, 04:02:41 PM »

Oh, almost forgot to "weigh-in" on the topic of "fun bostonian subjects"-----I rather like the "Medford Milton Mark 2.01".   It's a whimsical model based on the full scale Mooney 201.  (Walt Mooney was not related to Al Mooney, but got a kick out of the "confusion")
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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2021, 10:58:09 PM »

Well I have two "must do sometime" fun Bostonian projects.

I can't get departed friend Neil McLeod's peanut Comper Swift to fly even approximately.
He was very partial to the Comper Swift so I thought I might have a better chance with a Compostonian/Combostonian/Swiftonian.
I need to tweak the outline a little more and find a photo of VH-ACG which shows which tail-plane shape it has.
There seem to be as many CS tail plane outlines as there are 3-views.

The weedy seadragon is a magnificent little creature. I've found a couple washed up on the sand - 12" to 15" long.
I thought it should have a Bostonian modeled after it along the lines of George Perryman's TLFPBPLTO'LSB
It would have a yellow body and flying surfaces suggesting greenish weeds.

If you google "fat bellied tub o' lard" you will discover where George found the name.

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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2021, 01:35:13 AM »

I've always thought the Siebel Si-201 would make an amusing Bostonian.

Jon

Love it!

This thread reminded me of my Boster Bambulance project I had started some years ago and have never finished. I remember the design could be made into a Bostonian with minimal change to the fuselage after clipping the wings.
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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2021, 03:29:22 AM »

Indoorflyer,
Thanks, I do remember a couple of those now ... particularly Dave Collins' design.
I always have Dave to thank for getting me fully into scale building with his free plans on SFA  Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2021, 04:10:05 AM »


A Nemesis Bostonian ... huh. Who woulda thought? Interesting.


Lincoln, how about a Keith Laumer design? Or maybe a cartoonized Albert Hatfull design?



Whatever you like, of course. The Twin Lizzie immediately came to mind. Or his Yardbird.

The Veron Coupe comes to mind. Also Gillespie's Fighter Fly or McCarthy Air Scout. I've seen a couple of Bostonian Monocoupes. And then there's Mooney's Old Howard, named after a classic airplane, but also a burlesque theater. I've seen a couple of designs inspired by the Rearwin Speedster. I think both can be found by searching for "speedster" on Outerzone. It seems to me I've seen a Bostonian Floh, but if not, someone needs to make one. It also seems to me that I've seen a flattened, Bostonian version of one of the fat Gee Bees. Maybe in an old issue of the FAC news.


Hmm.... Short Skyvan, though it might not look right with the stubbier wing.

Speaking of boxy airplanes, a master of mechancal linkages could do a caricature of the Monster Vincent Starflite. I don't think the rules say you can't have more than one 6 inch prop.

I better post this before the computer eats it.
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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2021, 05:34:03 AM »

Oops. The computer ate my homework after all. And I missed a spelling "correction". It's Monsted, not Monster.

The Skyvan's wing would be better in an embryo. The Miles Aerovan would work better as a Bostonian, though I suppose you could do the Hurel Dubois modified, high aspect ratio one as an embryo. That's a bit extreme, though. Or consider a cartoon Super Guppy. All these multi engine models with small nacelles, unfortunately, will require advanced gadgetry or an ugly prop on the nose.

This whole train of though was started by a peanut Ugly Stick I saw in an old Flying models, and was originally about shrunk, rubber powered versions of famous RC models. Hmmm, there's already a peanut Lazy Bee, might be an embryo too. Planes like the Astro Hog, Tipo, Kaos and Kwik Fli might not fit into a competition category, but might still be fun. I suppose that's also try for the Goldberg Falcon or Skylark. What other classic rc designs are out there, and are any fat enough?
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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2021, 06:13:55 PM »

One itch I have been wanting to scratch since 2004 ... a better version of my 'Chesty Jeep'.
A bit less boxy and much better flying! ... though it did go better outdoors with a minimal turn.
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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2021, 04:27:17 AM »

I have been sketching some bostonians.

these are mostly intended to be built in foam

Boston Varieze
Boston Nemesis
Boston Auster

And a bostonian inspired by the pietenpol air camper, but its departed a bit from there

 
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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2021, 05:49:17 PM »

If you made that last one a biplane, it would look like a Curries Carrier Pigeon.

As long As we're talking about more than one wing, how about a caricature of a Breda Pensuti with a deeper fuselage, or even a Fokker V.8? (Not to be confused with the D.VIII)
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2021, 06:48:42 PM »

Just tossing this out.  I think one other person has built one.  Easy-peasy if you're good at bending wood over a hot iron, probably a nightmare otherwise.

I just tried adding it to the plans directory, but I don't know if it took.
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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2021, 08:44:07 PM »

I've always thought the Siebel Si-201 would make an amusing Bostonian.

Jon

Jon, great choice!...I've built 2, the FF model, powered by a 020, flew a miracle flight....a full tank, and a launch from the front yard, she went up in a large circle, and just spec when the motor cut. Mom and I watched it, and slowly, it came right back to us, to land 20ft just like it had a pilot!

Good memories......
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