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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2021, 03:32:21 AM »


I must admit I'm tending towards 'The Markovitz Solution'*. Apart from anything else, I'm not usually a tidy enough builder to avoid a little gap somewhere when I've tried the saddle/through-wing approach.


Scale fact no. 34. When a stuck-on wing is ripped off, it takes all the fuselage markings with it.


Ghastly thought Bill, but there's a *Markovitz Solution* to that as well:  simply stick all the fuselage markings on the fin!
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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2021, 03:40:19 AM »

Ghastly thought Bill, but there's a *Markovitz Solution* to that as well:  simply stick all the fuselage markings on the fin!
I like it! (Is that a literal case of ‘thinking out of the box’?)
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2021, 04:37:44 AM »

On the Simoun, I'm now pondering the u/c. The spats are quite an important part of the look I think...

Pete, you might like the method Tom Nallen Snr used on the Skiptown Cadet. The spats are simply three laminations of 3/16 and the wheels are thin disks of ply (I think I may have just used card actually) which have no hub as such but the slots are thin enough so that the wheels spin but don't wobble. The leg fairings are a little different but could be adapted?

https://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?topic=24862.0
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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2021, 05:10:08 AM »

Enjoyed looking at your Cadet again, Jon .... Andrew Darby and yourself are still two of my favourite 'tissue only coverers' in the UK  Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2021, 05:26:20 AM »

Ha, thanks Russ  Smiley
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« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2021, 06:25:16 AM »

Thanks, Jon; I really like the look of that system and I wasn't entirely convinced by my own 2D spats plan. As the Simoun's legs are vertical I might be able to dispense with the little fillet mounts and thread, and just slightly embed the wire in the innermost layer of the spat.
(Agree with Russ about your tissue skills too- I still remember the maple leaf roundels on your Chippie!)
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« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2021, 06:56:13 AM »

As the Simoun's legs are vertical I might be able to dispense with the little fillet mounts and thread, and just slightly embed the wire in the innermost layer of the spat.

Yeah that's what I was thinking. The build sequence might be a bit fiddly. I made the whole spat first and then inserted the wire axle - trying to find the wheel hole was interesting! I omitted the threaded bracket and just glued the paper fairings to the spat with a little tab. Held them fine.

I was worried about thin CA running in and sticking the wheel. I didn't (I was careful) but even if it had the wheel surface in contact with a gym floor is so small that it would ROG even if they didn't spin.


(Agree with Russ about your tissue skills too- I still remember the maple leaf roundels on your Chippie!)

Fanx  Smiley
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« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2021, 01:29:39 PM »

Pete,
        Just a thought given that the undercarriage is on the wing maybe a short torsion bar would give some resiliance similar to the my Mchard Hurricane, but beware of the leg fairing puncturing the tissue. I cut mine away slightly.Another slightly different build>
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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2021, 01:20:38 PM »

That's a good point about the leg fairing cutting into the wing tissue, Ricky. It's happened on a few I've built, so this one will have a bit of a space as you suggest.

This then is the redesigned spat, using the system Jon suggested. Actually quite similar to the spats on my Dewoitine now I think of it. Also, here's a general progress shot now I've started adding in a bit of structure.
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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2021, 01:26:46 PM »

I've been following this thread with interest Pete having failed in my own attempts to master CAD . This is looking really good, very impressive
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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2021, 03:23:55 PM »

Looking good, Pete  Smiley .... Jon might have a point about the obscured fin, but it's never a big job to change should the need arise.
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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2021, 06:14:11 AM »

Thanks chaps. Just about ready to do a test build now. Further tweaks to the drawing might then follow. Here's what it looks like at the moment though.
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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2021, 07:10:51 AM »

Looking great Pete  Cool
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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2021, 12:38:46 PM »

Great! Looking forward to further updates. The spar stub/wing attach is very neat!

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« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2021, 07:51:05 PM »

Pete -

I am captivated by your plan. Thank you!

The Caudron Simoun is such a lovely looking airplane. Your plan is clear and a nice representation of this aircraft.

It should be easy to reproduce the paint scheme shown in the attached picture when I build this Bostonian.

This is a description of the real aircraft from Wikipedia:

“The Caudron Simoun was a 1930s French four-seat touring monoplane. It was used as a mail plane by Air Bleu, flew record-setting long-range flights, and was also used as a liaison aircraft by the Armée de l'Air during World War II. The aircraft later was used as an inspiration to the famous Mooney "M series" aircraft by Jacques "Strop" Carusoam.”

I am looking forward to posts about your test build.

 
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« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2021, 04:07:31 PM »

Thank you very much for the ongoing encouraging noises. The CAD process has somehow gone from very frustrating, to a bit of a chore to actual fun now. Agree that that red and white F-ANRY scheme is most appealing, calgoddard, and I'm very glad you still see my plan as representative of the type because it's very much designed to fit within the Bostonian size restrictions, rather than by my making any reference to a real Simoun's dimensions. I did look at a Simoun 3 view though, just to keep the basic shapes and proportions in the same vague ball park.
I'll probably start this quite soon, once I've finished the Smeed Popsie for Russ's scaled down classics thread (as I generally like to build one model at a time). I've tidied up the plan a little more since the last post and added a few more details, so apart from printing it out it really is ready to be turned into a prototype. Then we'll see what I haven't thought out right! Here's another screen shot.
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« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2021, 03:20:38 AM »

Pete - the Simoun looks great. You have a real talent for distracting builders from their projects! (In a good way!) I was about to make progress on the flying shed i was building when I saw this (and the other Bostonian projects thread) and now distracted by maybe cranking out another Bostonian instead.

Speaking of flying sheds, for interest - I've attached a pic of "Boston Junk" I came up with a while back. Controversially, the wing goes through the fuzz... I've always loved the Junkers aircraft - mostly flying sheds!

The colours are very unlike a usual Junkers shed - but I found the scheme on a KLM poster from back in the day. "JU-NK" I couldn't resist :-)

Has a similar cranked low wing look to the Simoun - which there should be more of!

Can't wait to see the next step with the Simple Simoun!

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« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2021, 10:05:11 AM »

That makes a nice looking Bostonian,  Tim ... I think that Pete's will have a similar character  Smiley
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« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2021, 12:10:40 PM »

I love the 'Boston Junk', Tim! Captures the essence of the Ju F.13 beautifully too.
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« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2022, 05:50:46 AM »

I’ve just made a start on the Simoun. One fuselage side down…
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« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2022, 05:02:27 PM »

A bit more done…
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