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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2009, 10:52:03 AM »

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I have also thought of obtaining a kit

The only curves in a Dixie are the ribs - build from a plan and save all the time in finding, ordering and waiting for a kit ... build with probably better wood selection .. and, oh yes .. save money. Faster, better, cheaper ... what more can you ask?
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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2009, 01:25:45 PM »

 Ok gentleman...let me get this straight now...are we talking about the Dixielander are the "Yeoman" Dixielander? Are there any pics of the Dixielander?

Thanks....Craig h
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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2009, 02:21:01 PM »

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Dixielander are the "Yeoman" Dixielander?

Same thing. George's 'Dixielander' was kitted by Yeoman
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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2009, 04:33:27 PM »

Craig H,
Lee Campbell and Jim O'reilly offer plans and short kits , I have both of their plans but have not seen the kits, both are in CAD form. If you do not have the websites PM me will send.

Glidemaster, did not know about Ollie being back in prodn , can you send contact details ( reason I need parts esp needele valves).
On the weight will check as I have other 2.5 diesels , I know Dave Platt used the ollie in his Slow worm so could use it in it, the other will be electric as will one of the Dixies!!!!!! Just don't tell Dan B !!!!
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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2009, 05:11:52 PM »

I have a Yeoman plan I can copy, if required.

Olivers are now being built by Tom Ridley in England, with John Oliver as consultant - last info I took note of, some months ago, was that he was working on Tigers Mk 3, 4, 5, Cubs and Majors.  Email contact is: [email protected]
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« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2009, 12:14:28 PM »

Power for a Dixielander;

A Fox 15 (the old plain bearing versions) would be ideal as they are light and compact.
In my opinion Applehoney is right, if you can cut ribs, you can build a Dixie, and a kit is a bit unnecessary.

Dave Hipperson wrote a series of articles in Aeromodeller in the mid 90's - A Cautious Return to F/F Power (or something like that), and it was framed around building a Dixie for an AM35 diesel. Of the 2 I've built, I have to say I got in some difficulty getting the engine bearers, and pylon together with a tank big enough for more than about 20 secs of fuel, and the Hipperson articles are very good in this particular respect. I can copy/scan if it would of help.

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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2009, 09:08:45 AM »

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A Fox 15 (the old plain bearing versions) would be ideal as they are light and compact
Have to concurr with Glidemaster on this choice. My first Dixie was powered by such an engine (57 vertical plug version) running an 8 x 4 nylon on 20% nitro. A better choice is an OS15 FP with the ABN piston and liner (if you can find one!) using an 8 x 3.75 or 8 x 3 wood propeller with the blades thinned out and balanced and running 25% nitro.

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« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2009, 11:20:45 AM »

Ployd is right about the OS15FP.

It is an ideal engine for anyone wanting to get started in contest f/f power. I have 2, they run very well on suction if need be, though suction is not my first choice fuel feed arrangement.

They come with an effective std. silencer, and they run pretty darn well with the silencer on if you're so inclined.

A great choice for a Dixie.

John
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« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2009, 06:32:24 PM »

Question ? Is the OS15FP with ABN piston and liner nostalgia legal in the US?

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« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2009, 06:47:22 PM »

The OS 15FP would not be nostalgia legal anywhere I don't think.

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« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2009, 04:25:13 AM »

George is a clubmate of mine, so I get to pick his brains about Dixielanders. If you're building one, you should know that the warps should be 3 degrees, not 3/8 of an inch. It makes a difference!

Apparently, the kit plan was drawn up by Ron Warring and he misread the notes.

If it helps,

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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2009, 08:13:51 AM »

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If you're building one, you should know that the warps should be 3 degrees, not 3/8 of an inch

If you build the warps in at 3 degrees you finish up with 3/8" washin or washout (draw it out with a straight line and protractor and measure the angular difference on a chord of 7").
2 degrees gives about 1/4" and 1.5 degrees gives 3/16", would suggest you check with George again.

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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2009, 09:06:59 AM »

You're absolutely right, Peter, but George definitely said '3 degrees' tho' I know for a fact that he uses 1/4". One of us is losing the plot - as he's older than me I'll say it's him ;-)

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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2009, 11:54:35 AM »

As one who has not flown power since the 1950s I am ever ready to pass an opinion! My understanding for many years has been that the 3/8" on early drawings was about right for the way the Dixies were then flown and the power then available but a reduction in wash-in was necessary later as more powerful motors were used.
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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2009, 08:18:30 PM »

Hi John

I think that 3/8" washin/washout even for low powered engines is still excessive as it would act more like a drag flap than an aid to increasing wing lift on the inner wing to counteract torque roll and as model speed increased (with low power) the drag/lift benefits would be marginal and the correctional forces reduced.
It is noted that George uses 1/4" (I use 3/16") and even that can be a little too much sometimes

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« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2009, 04:42:23 PM »

Just back from Middle Wallop - the weather had a good try at ruining things for the day but there was still plenty of Dixielanders taking to the skies ... and plenty of bright orange T shirts! Cool

I didn't manage to join in after all, but I hope that all involved managed to have a good time in the wind and drizzle.
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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2009, 05:04:43 PM »

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Sorry to hear that the weather was inclement, as it wasn't too bad a mere 60 miles north east in Ealing! I'm off there tomorrow & am sorry that I'll miss you - unless you are going back again Cheesy

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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2009, 07:44:16 PM »

Have a good day Peter... the forecast certainly looks better for Monday.

The Middle Wallop visit was tied into the end of a holiday. I didn't want to put my wife through three days of a flying meeting, but she did end up enjoying the two days.

I miss the scale event on Monday... it was the one I really wanted to see. Undecided

I ended up spending at least six hours searching for a rapier model... lost on the Saturday and found on the Sunday! Worth it for the four minute plus flight - no exact time because it was a trimming flight!
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« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2009, 08:48:57 AM »

Pictures, we want pictures!

Roy Summersby sent me the picture of his just finished Dixielander complete with an Ozzie Rothwell 250 (Olly clone) for power.

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« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2009, 09:14:55 AM »

Sadly, I didn't go on the Sunday so have no pictures to post. All I can tell you is that the Dixielander event was won by Colin Foster, a noted northern expert in power & glider.

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« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2009, 09:52:23 AM »

My old club continues to be strong in F/F
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« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2009, 12:38:37 PM »

Sorry, no pictures from me either - the almost constant slight drizzle meant the camera stayed in the car.
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« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2009, 05:09:11 PM »

Pictures, we want pictures!

Roy Summersby sent me the picture of his just finished Dixielander complete with an Ozzie Rothwell 250 (Olly clone) for power.

Ployd in OZ

That's one helluva motor for a Dixie. I wonder if Roy's trimmed it yet?
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« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2009, 02:06:59 PM »

Here's a few shots of my Dixielander - COX TD15 powered - that was THE classic Dixielander set up. John West etc etc

It's a light model - barely 13 oz.

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« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2009, 02:12:33 PM »

A couple more shots - pretty much per plan - weight 13 oz.

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